Person talk:Margaret Amoore (1)

Birthday Book [13 March 2017]

A number of Margaret Lloyd Rendell's possessions have come into my keeping. Two items stand out. - Her Birthday book - A Diary which appears to be written in a foreign language, I can't make any sense of it.

One example of the birthday book - entry for 12th Jan:

  Aunt Emma ?? Died Aug 9th 1883
  My Brother Walter Nelson Amoore died 1892 at Ararat Victoria Australasia aged 39 years

The diary gives two dates on the title page

- Margaret Amoore
  Linbeck  ??
  May 23rd 1867
- Margaret Rendell
  May 17th 1873
  Ballarat Victora, Australia

Linbeck may refer to a place and give a clue as to the language.

I have put some images of both at

http://www.rendell-attic.org/FT/temp/

Paul Rendell A grandson of Robert Fermor Rendell--Paulrendell 19:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I have solved some of the mystery.

Margaret went to a finishing school in Lubeck which was in E Germany. It was when she was there that she met Henry who worked in a bank in Berlin. My guess is that the book is a language reference work which she found useful in latter life.--Paulrendell 18:29, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Paul - I don't know how much you have on your great grandmother Margaret and her family but hopefully you have some idea by following most of the links. However, to try to clarify things which may not be immediately obvious I have put together this information below.

Perhaps the foreign language is German, maybe you could ask a German if it looks familiar.

If you were to come across any photo or reference to Margaret's brother Albert Hastings Amoore I would most greatly appreciate receiving it, I have very little of substance. It seems that Margaret and her sister-in-law Harriet kept in contact and exchanged photos of each other but nothing with Albert.

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Margaret Lloyd Amoore was born September 1848 at Hastings in Sussex, England, was baptized on 4 October 1848 at All Saints Church, Hastings and is recorded in the 1851 UK Census as a scholar, aged 2 years, living at East Hill Lodge, Hastings. She was the seventh child of William Amoore, born 1813, Brewer and Ellen Ruth, born 1814, nee Fermor.

Margaret was aged about 8 when her father William died in 1856 and about 13 when her oldest brother Frank Tweedy died at Holloway House, Hastings in 1861. Despite the death of their father, all her brothers seem to have been reasonably well educated at various Blue Coat boarding schools whilst Margaret and her sisters appear to have been educated in Hastings whilst their mother continued to run the family brewing business, probably with the help of her father Edward Fermor.

Margaret had an Uncle Charles Amoore who, in the 1861 Census, was a Chemist at 6 Castle Street Hastings. This Census also shows Caroline S Rendell age 57, General Teacher; Frances C Rendell age 15, Scholar and Harriett M Rendell age 11, Scholar living at 4 Castle Street, Hastings next door to Margaret’s uncle and his family.

As both Margaret’s mother and Henry’s mother were windows and both families appear to have been regular parishioners at the Hastings Church of England it is almost certain that the 2 families would have known each other and it seems possible that the Amoore girls were taught by Caroline Rendell.

Another indication of the closeness of the Amoore and Rendell families is the fact that Margaret’s brother Albert Amoore married Henry’s sister Harriet Rendell in December 1871 only 21 months after he arrived in Victoria.

Caroline Rendell and her two daughters had earlier come out to Australia again in December 1869 to join her son Henry who had emigrated in 1868. The Amoore family appears to have moved to Hackney, London around 1867 after Margret’s maternal grandfather, Edward Fermor, died earlier that year. Margaret’s eldest brother William Bradley married Hannah Baker in York in 1868, her elder sister Catherine Ellen married William Henry Simmonds at Bedford in 1869 and her younger sister Emma Ruth married Henry Darwood at Hackney in 1870.

From the April 1871 Census, we know that most of Margaret's immediate family was living in Hackney. Mrs. Emma Darwood with her husband Henry and her mother Mrs. Ellen Amoore, Mrs. Catherine Simmonds with her husband William, William Bradley Amoore with his wife Hannah together with her younger brother Walter Nelson Amoore were all separately living there. At that time, Margaret aged 22 was a Governess to to Charles Pole Stuart at Sandymount House, Woburn Sands in Buckinghamshire, whilst her brother Albert had departed for Australia on 21 Jan 1870 and another brother Edward had departed for NZ on 22 Oct 1870.

Whilst almost certainly the two families knew each other in Hastings, they would probably have kept in contact when each family moved to Hackney in the 1860’s. From your research, it seems that Margaret aged about 19 went to a finishing school in Lubeck in Germany around 1867 and apparently, it was when she was there that she met up with Henry aged 20 who worked in a bank in Berlin. This fits neatly with Margaret working as a Governess in 1871 and Henry working in a bank in Ballarat in when he died in 1873.

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Henry Rendell Senior and family immigrated to Melbourne, Victoria sometime between the 15 Apr 1849 (Harriet’s birth) and the 30 March 1851 (1851 Census). It is possible that Henry enlisted on the voyage to Australia as a Ship's Surgeon, and was how he acquired his title of “Surgeon” as he was previously a Chemist. No record has been found of the family sailing from England to Australia but they may have firstly sailed to Adelaide and then moved on to Melbourne, as there is an Argus (Melbourne) newspaper notice that details a Rendell family who sailed on the costal trader "Boyne" from Adelaide 22 Aug 1850 and arrived in Melbourne 28 Aug 1850. As Melbourne (Port Phillip District) was only a small outpost in the colony of New South Wales until 1851 (when gold was found and Victoria then became a separate colony) the records kept were minimal.

According to the notes of his eldest daughter Frances, Henry died suddenly in the discharge of his duties in March 1852. A memorial tablet inside St. Stephens Church, Richmond (Melbourne), Victoria states: SACRED TO THE MEMORY OF HENRY RENDELL OF THIS PARISH, SURGEON, WHO WAS REMOVED SUDDENLY BY DEATH MARCH 4TH 1852. AGED 35 YEARS. “Be ye also ready”.

Caroline Rendell and her young family returned to England a few months after her husband's death and a fourth child, Thomas Matthew was born in October 1852 but later died Mar 1857 at West Ham, London. It is unsure where the family lived first after returning to England, but according to Francis, “Caroline educated her children by teaching English”.

In the 1861 Census, Caroline S Rendell age 57, General Teacher; Frances C Rendell age 15, Scholar and Harriett M Rendell age 11, Scholar were recorded living at 4 Castle Street, Hastings, however there does not seem to be any record of Henry age 13; maybe he was at a boarding school and has not yet been identified.

There is reason to believe that the family may have moved to Hackney, London some after this. But as they had emigrated to Australia in December 1869 there are no census records to confirm this. However, in Harriet Rendell's journal that she kept on the voyage to Australia, she mentions a young married couple of passengers who both came from "… our part, Hackney”. The Rendell family are not listed in 1866 Hastings Post Office Directory which indicates that they left Hastings before this time.

In her personal notes, Frances states that “…. at the age of 16 [in 1862 she] was sent (and paid for by the daughter of Mr. John Heathcoat, the celebrated inventor) to a training school for teachers, "Tiverton" Devon ….”; so, it seems that the family continued to have a connection with Devon where their Rendell relatives were living even 10 years after Henry Senior’s death, when they were living at Hastings, Sussex.

Henry Junior departed from Gravesend on 5 Oct 1867 aboard the "Mermaid" and arrived at Lyttleton, NZ on 3 Jan 1868. He was aged 20 and travelled as a cabin passenger (his Journal of the Voyage has more details). However, within a matter of months he departed from Lyttleton on 7 Mar 1868 aboard the "Gothenburg" for Melbourne.

Caroline and her two daughters came out to Australia again in 1869. They sailed from Gravesend in September aboard the "Lincolnshire" as second-class passengers and were met by Henry when they arrived in Victoria in December 1869. At time of her death on 23 May 1894, Caroline was living at 88 Lydiard St. Ballarat, Victoria. This is the city where Margaret and Henry with their son Robert were living when Henry Junior died on 2 Dec 1873.

Margaret married Henry Rendell at Ballarat on 7 January 1873, but she returned to England with her son sometime after Henry husband died. No record of her return to England has yet been found however, neither she nor Robert are listed in the 1881 or 1891 UK Census. Maybe she continued living in Ballarat with her mother in law for some time, but unfortunately there seems to be no available Australian records to check this before 1901. Both Margaret and Robert are listed in 1901 Census living in Lewisham, London.

Henry Rendell's headstone states Margaret died aged 78(?) at Essex.

Ken Amoore

A greatgrandnephew of Margaret Lloyd Amoore and greatgrandson of Albert Hastings Amoore

I have a transcript of Margaret Lloyd Amoore's diary of her voyage to Australia, with a hand written note.

The note reads:

"2 Families involved with each other and the colonisation of Australia

Margaret Lloyd Amoore daughter of the landlord of the Maidenhead Inn Hastings High St. and a partner in a local brewery.

Henry Rendell Bank Clark, who worked for a time in Berlin.

Margaret had attended "Finishing school" [like University for ladies] for a 2 yr course at Lubeck in what is now [was] E. Germany. On her way there she passed through Berlin, & had occasion to go to the Bank, where they found an English bank to attend this English student. They arranged to meet each time she passed through Berlin. He got work in Australia & she sailed half way round the world to join him."

I have just finished typing up the transcript from what might have been a carbon copy. The last section written in Australia might be of interest as it contains a mention of family.

"We had tea at the Railway station and at 7 o'clock started for Ballarat, after long journey we reached this place at eleven, found Fanny and Mr. Ronalds waiting for us, once more got the luggage packed into a car and at last arrived safely at Fairlight Cottage, where as you may be sure I received a hearty welcome.

This morning, Tuesday, Harry started off to the Bank and I thought it a good opportunity for writing this down. Had letter from Joe Darwood with his photograph and one from Alice Heathe by this last mail. Harry brought me letters from Mama, Kate, Aunt and Uncle Chevely and Mrs. Stuart and the children on board the night he came.

This is a nice little cottage with a good sized garden. The three days we stayed in Melbourne we had beautiful weather but today there is a regular dust storm, heavy showers of rain and wind blowing tremendously more like a blustering November day in England than a Summer day here. They say that very likely tomorrow will be very hot, it is such a very changeable climate, the morning may be very hot and the evening quite cold. Very likely dear Hattie will be here tonight with her son and heir little Henry Hastings, the paper will not be able to come for another week, but we hope to see them all at Xmas. Fanny is to be married on the 31st December, I shall wait for her, before our affair comes off. I cannot tell you much of the place yet, as I have seen so little of it. I expect to be very busy for the next few weeks, unpacking, arranging, writing letters. etc."

What I know about Margaret:

She was in South Africa with Robert and my farther (Roberts son) said that he came back because Margret did not like the climate but there is also evidence that he was disappointed not to be given a promotion.

She died 6/12/1923 and is buried in All Saints Church Brightlingsea. Robert was buried with her when he died in 1954. It is notable that Robert did not marry until 21/4/1925 when he was 50, just 2 years latter.

There is a list of the places Robert lived during his religious career put together when he was trying for a post which he did not get. It is now in the loft with a most of the other stuff.--Paulrendell 22:18, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

It took 4 hours to travel by train from Melbourne to Ballarat as it travelled via Geelong and stopped frequently at small villages.

It would be interesting to see if Fairlight Cottage in Ballarat could be found, I may try asking the Ballarat Historical Group or the Genealogy Group if they can help.

Margaret's comment on the weather in Victoria is still typical today, it is often said we can get 4 seasons in a day.

It would be very interesting to read a transcript of Margaret Lloyd Amoore's diary of her voyage to Australia and the hand written note. Maybe you could add it to Margaret's WeRelate page as I have done with Harriett's diary.

I have a hard copy of Henry Rendell's diary, I'll see if I can get a digital copy from my second cousin in Perth and perhaps add it to WeRelate. However, there seems to be a discrepancy with his diary and a copy of the ship's passenger list. The departure and arrival details as well as the ship's name and captain's name all align but there is no Henry Rendell or names of a couple of other passengers that he mentions in the passenger list. The closest possibilities are single men called Henry Barnes aged 22 from Westmorland, occupation Ploughman and Henry Kammann aged 23 from Hanover, occupation Farmer Labourer. I have previously come across a couple of cases where a wrong surname is given.--Kenamoore 07:24, 13 March 2017 (UTC)