Person talk:Joseph Carpenter (2)

From Child Carpenter (1): Is there evidence for this child? [13 December 2010]

The following comments are about a record that was merged with Joseph to eliminate it. These comments can be removed once watchers have had a chance to see them.

Zubrinksy (an expert on the Carpenters of New England) does not mention this child. Is there any evidence that he/she existed? There are only 3 years between Joseph and the first Samuel, so there is no large gap to fill. --DataAnalyst 16:11, 11 December 2010 (EST)

I checked several notes and depositories for this family and found nothing that even hints at another Carpenter child, especially with a Southampton birthplace. As far as I am concerned this child's birth is unsupported. --Neal Gardner 18:22, 11 December 2010 (EST)

Thanks. I'm going to get rid of this record by merging it with one of the other children. --DataAnalyst 22:43, 11 December 2010 (EST)

Children

Gene Zubrinksy lists 10 children of Joseph. Some may have died as infants or have questions regarding them. This is from the Joseph Carpenter Sketch which is part of the Carpenter Sketches by Gene Zubrinsky. See child 5 & 7. Jrcrin001 19:51, 12 December 2010 (EST)

CHILDREN: Numbers i-iv born at Rehoboth, viii-x at Swansea (RVR 1:10; SwVR A: 17, 33, 59).

i. JOSEPH4 CARPENTER, b. 15 Aug. 1656, d. Swansea 26 Feb. 1717/8, aged 63 [sic]; m. Swansea 23 Feb. 1681[/2?], MARY _______, b. ca. 1659, d. Swansea 1 or 12 March 1718[/9?] (not 1713), aged abt. 59; both bur. Kickemuit Cem., Swansea (that part now Warren, R.I.) (SwVR A:94, B:130/249; NEHGR 48:442, 70:25; RI Cems 69). Corrections (to Carpenter [1898] 73-74, 122) concerning their son Joseph5, b. Swansea 20 June 1688: Rather than declaring marriage intentions at Bristol, Mass. (now in R.I.), on 16 February 1723, he married there (Rev. John Usher presiding) on 16 February 1723/4, Abigail Newton, sister of John Newton of Bristol. Joseph5 did not die in Surinam on 4 February 1745 but drowned with three others in passage from Hog Island to Bristol on 21 December 1728, when their canoe "sunk under them." His widow, Abigail--not his sister of that name, who died at Swansea, 1 February 1683 (not 1783)--married second, at Bristol on 29 (int. 16) February 1735/6, Obadiah Papill(i)on. Abigail Papillon, "widow, of Rehoboth," where she had moved between 1763 and 1769, was buried at Providence, R.I., 16 February 1776. Joseph5 and Abigail (Newton) Carpenter had two (not three) children: 1. Sarah6, b. Bristol 3 Feb. 1724/5, d. probably Bristol 22 Feb. 174[7/]8. 2. Joseph, b. Bristol _ Oct. 1726, d. Surinam (rec. Bristol) 4 (not 24) Feb. 1745, aged 19 (SwVR A:22, 137; RIVR 6:1[Bristol]:13, 121, 8:150, 202, 224, 10:152; NEHGR 124:177, 179; MQ 67:139).

ii. BENJAMIN CARPENTER, b. 15 (not 19) Jan. 1657[/8], d. Swansea 22? May 1727, aged 69, bur. Knockum Hill Cem., Barrington, R.I.; m. (1) prob. Dorchester, Mass., by 1680 (1st child b. 27 Jan. 1680[/1?]), RENEW WEEKS, b. Dorchester 12 6th mo. [Aug.] 1660, d. Swansea 29 July 1703, aged 43, bur. Knockum Hill Cem., dau. of William and Elizabeth (______ [not Atherton]) Weeks; m. (2) Swansea 27 Nov. 1706, MARTHA (BLISS) TOOGOOD (widow of Nathaniel), b. Rehoboth __ April 1663, d. there 22 March 1735, in 73rd yr., dau. of Jonathan Bliss and probable wife Rachel Puffer (not Miriam Harmon/Wilmarth) (RI Cems 68, 69; Stevens-Miller 46, 266-67, 273; DChR 194 ["Jotham ye son of Benjamen Carpenter ye mothers name was Renew ye daughter of William Weeks"]; DVR 7; SwVR B:81/173, 138/257; NEHGR 151:31-37, 159:361-62; BrCoPR [abstr] 1:240; RVR 1:5). For major corrections of the secondary literature pertaining to Benjamin's son John and his family, see NEHGR 159:49-53.

iii. ABIGAIL CARPENTER, b. 15 March 1659[/60?], d. perhaps Swansea, 1 Feb. 1683[/4?] (SwVR A:137). The death record gives Abigail's parents as Joseph Jr. and Mary Carpenter (no. i, above), but their first recorded child is Mary, born 27 Dec. 1683 (SwVR A:35). If the Abigail who died in 1683[/4?] had been born to that couple (eight children are recorded for them at Swansea between 1683 and 1704), the logical explanation of the failure to record her birth is that she died at that time or so soon thereafter that only her death was recorded. This, however, probably conflicts with the birth date (late 1683) of the couple's aforementioned daughter Mary: the date 1 Feb. 1683 probably represents Old Style dating (year beginning 25 March), which puts it only slightly more than one month after Mary's birth. (To allay any possible confusion, the Abigail Carpenter who married Jonah Palmer Jr. in 1692 was William2 and Abigail (Briant) Carpenter's dau. Abigail (Carpenter) Titus [see Abigail3 notes, first par.].)

iv. ESTHER CARPENTER, b. 10 (not 6) March 1661[/2?], d. Norton, Mass., 20 Dec. 1730; m. Swansea 19 March 1687, SAMUEL BRENTNALL/BRINTNELL, b. Boston 2 Dec. 1665, d. Norton between 19 Nov. 1735 (will, in 70th yr.) and 16 Dec. 1735 (est. inv.), son of Thomas and Esther (______) Brentnall of Boston, Norton, and Taunton, Mass. Samuel m. (2) Wrentham, Mass. (also rec. Norton) 23 May 1734, Elizabeth (Candage) Blake (widow of Jonathan2) (NoVR 202, 360; SwVR A:123; BVR 95, 250; BrCoPR [abstr] 1:246; BrCoPR 1:225; Norton Hist 78; Blake Gen 35; WrVR 2:260).

v. DAUGHTER, b. 1662-1671; place in birth order uncertain. The Martha Carpenter who was born ca. 1663 and died at Swansea 22 March 1735, in her 73rd yr., is often said to have been Joseph and Margaret's daughter (see, for example, Carpenter [1898] 58; Stevens-Miller 266). She was in fact their daughter-in-law Martha (Bliss) (Toogood) Carpenter, 2nd wife of their son Benjamin (no. ii, above) (NEHGR 159:361-62; see also WILL/ESTATE, above). Her proper identification eliminates the sole basis for the assertion that Joseph and Margaret had a daughter Martha.

vi. JOHN CARPENTER, b. ca. 1667, prob. Rehoboth (father still res. there 2 April 1669), d. East Greenwich, R.I., 25 Aug. 1753, in 87th yr.; m. (1?) by 1705, ______ GRINNELL, d. before 1721, dau. of Matthew2 Grinnell; m. (2?) by 1721 ELIZABETH _______; m. (3?) after 1726 ABIGAIL _______, living 12 Sept. 1753. Amos Carpenter mistakenly presents John and his sister Hannah (no. viii, below) as twins, born on 21 Jan. [sic] 1671/2. John's birth is not recorded, however, and his age at death makes him about five years her senior (NEHGR 159:43-47 [also includes vital-event data about John's children--Martha, Mary, Sarah, Diadema, Prudence, Cornel, Dinah, and Joseph--seven of whom Amos Carpenter mistakenly attributes (as he does two of John's wives) to another John Carpenter, son of Oliver4 Carpenter (Abiah3) of Warwick and North Kingstown, R.I. (see Carpenter [1898] 75, 128-29)]; EGPR 2:67-73, at 67; see also Carpenter [1898] 58).

vii. DAUGHTER, b. 1662-1671; place in birth order uncertain (see WILL/ESTATE, above).

viii. HANNAH CARPENTER, b. 21 1st mo. [March] 1671 [uncertain if 1670/1 or 1671/2], d. probably Norton, after 29 June 1757 (named in husband's will); m. probably Swansea, by 1695 (1st child b. 30 May 1695), THOMAS SKINNER, b. Malden, Mass., 3? Nov. 1668, d. Norton between 29 June 1757 (will, in 89th yr.) and 19 May 1758 (probate), son of Thomas and Mary (Pratt) Skinner (BrCoPR [abstr] 2:219; WrVR 1:189; MalVR 79; Skinner Kinsmen 8, 14-18; Ackley-Bosworth 277-78, 280; NEHGR 53:401-2; Norton Hist 88-89). In the absence of documentary evidence that Thomas Skinner's wife, Hannah, was by birth a Carpenter, let alone this Hannah Carpenter, strong circumstantial evidence makes the case. Six children--Thomas, Solomon, Joseph, Hannah, Esther, and Mary--were born to Thomas and Hannah Skinner at Wrentham between 1695 and 1706; his will mentions all but Mary and adds Benjamin and Samuel (WrVR 1:189; Skinner Kinsmen 15-17; BrCoPR [abstr] 2:219). Four of these names--Solomon, Joseph, Esther, and Benjamin--are also those of siblings (and, in one instance, also the father) of the subject Hannah Carpenter (see nos. i, ii, iv, above; ix, below). A fifth, Samuel, is also the name of her sister Esther's husband, Samuel Brentnall/Brintnell (see no. iv, above). They, like Thomas and Hannah Skinner, settled in a part of Norton that is now Mansfield (Norton Hist 78, 89). Thomas Skinner's will describes his daughter Esther as the widow of Ebenezer Brintnall; they had married at Norton in 1728 (Skinner Kinsmen 16; BrCoPR [abstr] 2:219; NoVR 202). Ebenezer, who died at Norton about 1748, was the son of Samuel and Esther (Carpenter) Brentnall (BrCoPR [abstr] 1:246, 2:35; WrVR 1:36).

ix. SOLOMON CARPENTER, b. 27 April 1673, d. Swansea 25 Oct. 1674 (PCR 8:51).

x. MARGARET CARPENTER (probably posthumous), b. 4 May 1675, d. Rehoboth 6 May 1751; m. probably Swansea (rec. Rehoboth), 4 June (not Jan.) 1695, THOMAS CHAFFEE, b. Swansea 19 Oct. 1672, d. Rehoboth 21 Feb. 1754, son of Nathaniel and Experience (Bliss) Chaffee (RVR 1:163 [not 95], 2:258, 3:358; SwVR A:63, 107).