Person:Joseph Thiele (2)

On a Polen film 153-9248 I found a Biederdof Kr. Salzburgen Westmark listed. A possiblity if unable to find Joseph in Breitendorf

http://www.koan.com/~twosocks/bukovina.html

Austria's empress, Maria Theresa, then began to recruit german colonists whom she expected tofacilitate economic development and to aid in defending the area from any external aggressors.German farmers were invited by her to settle in Bukovina. In 1780 the Patent of Toleration and in 1782 the Patent of Settlement, promised to eligible immigrants benefits such as free transportation, a house with garden, fields and animals. Also, exemption from taxation for the first 10 years of residency, exemption from military service for the eldest son of the family and complete freedom of conscience and religion. Immigrants came from many different parts of Germany. Three regions have been identified, 1) southwestern Germany, which includes the Swabian regions of the Palatinate and Wurttemberg as well as the Rhineland; 2) German Bohemia; 3) the Zips district in upper Hungary, which is now identified as Spis in Slovakia. My ancestors primarily came from Wurttemberg and Rhineland.

After arriving in Bukovina the Germans were directed to "Fratautz", this is were they received directions to the already existing Romanian or Ukrainian communities in which they were to live. The farmers were given about 12 hectares of farm ground, a wooden home with outbuildings, livestock, farm implements, and advances on seed grain. Ten families originally destined for Itzkany were redirected to Illischestie when it was learned that homes were not ready in Itzkany. Ten families, 29 men and 32 women, were joined three weeks later by 2 more families. These twelve families occupied farms that for the next 150 years lined the "Zwolfergasse" or the "Street of the Twelve", forming the nucleus of a closely-knit German community.

Bohemia Subject: Re: [Rosch] Bohemia Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:30:48 -0800 From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected]

Sonia--History on Bohemia. From what I have read, there was German immigration into Czechoslovakia in the 1200's. It was mostly non-Catholic until after the 30 Year war in 1648. After that it was under the Hapsburg's and called Bohemia and Moravia (German and mostly Catholic), until after the First World War when it was Czechoslovakia again. Around 1940 , because of the advance of the Russians, many Germans left the eastern provinces and were settled in what was called Sudetenland, where they lived until they were chased out after the Second world war.

There were no Dietrich's listed on these pages, but we know that they were in Eiland, just don't know when they arrived and how long they lived there.

Schneeberg encompasses Eiland, and Tyssa now encompasses Schonstein and is close by.

Sorry for being so slow. If anyone has more information on Bohemia, it would be nice to hear. Celine

> >Thank you very much for this information. Does anyone have some history >on Bohemia - as to when it came to being and when it changed to >Czechoslovakia and if it was a part of Prussia at one time? > >Was Sneeberg the district that Eiland and Tyssa were in? That is strange >that you didn't find any Dietrich's Did you check the different >spelling? I think it may have been Dittrich at that time. > >Sonia > >[email protected] wrote: >> Sonia--Sorry this took so long in coming, but it took me forever just to >get caught up on all the stuff on the egroups site. Finally got the maps done too. >> According to the book Heimatkreis Tetschen-Bodenbach it says- (my >> translations may be a bit off) - "According to the Stadtregister? between >> 1656 and 1700 in Schneeberg (of which Eiland is part) families were Hieke, >> Walter, Thiele". Between 1720 and 1730 new settlers were Hieke, Thiel. >> In 1934 in Schneeberg were Walter, Hieke. >> In Tyssa in 1934 were 14 Hieke, 13 Ruhr,and 4 Thiele. >> So it looks like some of these families came to the Bohemia area after >the 30 year war which was around 1648 and that some were still there before >> the 2nd world war. Wonder what happened to them? >> No Dietrichs mentioned. >> Will try to get more translated later. >> Happy New Year all! >Celine

Fr Bohemia and the Czechs by Will Monroe Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:31:57 -0800 Litomerice (Leitmeritz), an important riverport, is a busy industrial town. It contains an Episcopal palace, a medieval cathedral, a late Gothic town hall, and the curious Hussite Chalice house, the tower of which is in the shape of a cup to symbolize the communion in both kinds. The cathedral has some significant pictures by Skreta, and the oldest map of Bohemia is in the Episcopal palace, The marketplace has a statue of Roland.

Bohemia Info - 4. Tziganes or, more commonally (but erroneously), Gypsies, are another group called Black Dutch in America. A Tzigane from Germany, who could speak German, could be accepted much better by saying he was Black Dutch than if he admitted to being Gypsy. Tziganes were called Gypsies because of the mistaken belief they came from Egypt. At other times and places, they were called Bohemians (as in La Boheme) because they were thought to be from what is now the Czech Republic. Their language is called Romany, sometimes attributed to their self-given name of Rom (or Dom) but more likely because they were thought to be from Romania. In actuality, they come from the Indus valley area of Pakistan and western India, their language is Indic, their traditional religion a form of Hinduism. The name Rom or Dom comes from the Sanskrit word Domba, meaning low caste ("untouchable") musician. Tzigane, which has cognates in most European languages including Russian and Turkish, is derived from the Sanskrit name of their caste in ancient India. Words for Tzigane in a few languages: English = Tzigane; French = Tzigane; Russian = Tsygan Dutch = Zigeuner; German = Zigeuner; Hungarian = Cigany Italian = Zingaro; Spanish = Gitano; Rumanian = T¸igan Turkish = Çingene; Polish = Cygan; Czech = Cikan

(Research):A b Phillip Tille #11,03 Apr 1798 #1327515

alt b 1796 Breitendorf,German Bohemia

1. ↑ 142 9329 Litomerice, Bohemia, Austria
   copied.

   pg 437

2. ↑ Www.familysearch.org
   page 194  ;have copy.
3. ↑ 127-0533 Manisteriska Czernowitz Austria.

   died of searectus, senectus (senility?) 80 years in 1876, says this on 176-8045 as well, copied