Person:Eleanor verch Philip (1)
Eleanor Goch verch Philip ap Ivor
b.1305 Cardigan, Wales, United Kingdom
d.1337
Parents and Siblings
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  1. Eleanor Goch verch Philip ap Ivor1305 - 1337
Spouse and Children
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  1. Ellen verch Thomas ap Llewellyn ap Owain
  2. Margaret ferch Thomas1330 -
  3. Maredudd ap Thomas _____
  4. Owain ap Thomas _____ - Abt 1360
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Facts and Events
Name[1] Eleanor Goch verch Philip ap Ivor
Alt Name Eleanor ferch Philip
Alt Name Eleanor goch Phillip
Alt Name Eleanor G. Phillip
Alt Name[2] Elinor _____
Alt Name Elinor ferch Maredudd _____
Gender Female
Birth? 1305 Cardigan, Wales, United Kingdom
Marriage to Thomas ap Llewellyn, Lord of South Wales
Death? 1337
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References
  1. ↑ j e griffith pedigrees of anglesey and caernarvonshire families. ir
    106.
  2. ↑ Rhys ap Tewdwr 7, in Bartrum, Peter C. (Peter Clement). Welsh genealogies, AD 300-1400. (Wales: University of Wales Press, c1980).
  3.   Elinor ferch Maredudd, in Oman, Sandra. Tree: Wales. Welsh Medieval Database Primarily of Nobility and Gentry.

    notes:

    (Research) KINSHIP: Investigate> Bartrum's 'Welsh Genealogies 300-1400' volume 10 page 783 states "There is much disagreement in the genealogies about the ancestry of Thomas's wife Elinor, sometimes made into two. Some versions are definitely fictitious, the others (shown here) open to doubt. Maredudd is said to have been declared illegitimate on the grounds that Elinor was cousin to Thomas. See Card 2.136 pp. 51-52, foot numbers. Isabel is mentioned only by Ieuan Brechfa (three times), but is less open to question. According to M 350 Sir Robert of Bacton was son of the sister of Sir Robert de Valle, so that Isabel was second cousin to Thomas. Lleucu is only mentioned in GG 7.

    (Research) IDENTITY: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 1 page 217 calls her [unknown] ferch Syr Robert of Arkston, Herefordshire.
    (Research) IDENTITY: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 2 pages 24 and 54 call her Elinor ferch Philip ab Ifor and (page 24) Catrin ferch Llywelyn ap Gruffudd ap Llywelyn ab Iorwerth "Drwyndwn" ab Owain "Gwynedd". Catrin ferch Llywelyn's mother is given on page 24 as Elinor daughter of Simon Mountford, Earl of Leicester and her mother as a daughter of King John.
    (Research) IDENTITY: Conflict/Error> Evan's 'British Genealogist' book 2 page B1 makes her the daughter of Philip ap Ifor.
    (Research) KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Griffith's 'Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families' pages 106, 301, and 309 make her the daughter of Philip ap Ifor, lord of Cardigan (or Iscoed).
    (Research) IDENTITY: Conflict/Error> Evans' 'British Genealogist' book 8 page H55 calls her "Ellen d. to Philip ap Ivor ap Cadivor ap Gwaethvoed, Ld of Caredigion. Her mother was Catherine d and h of Llew ap Griffith the last of the Princes of Wales".
    (Research) IDENTITY: Conflict/Error> Evans' 'British Genealogist' book 8 page H76 calls her "Lady Eleanor d. of Philip ap Ivor by Catherine d. of Llewelyn ap Griffith Last Prince of Wales. ut alii Thomas md Catherine herself d. of the Prince."
    (Research) MARRIAGE: Conflict/Error> Griffith's 'Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families' page 301 on the paternal line shows her married to her husband's father Llywelyn.

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