MySource:Samples 59/Narcisse Fredieu (1825-1896), of Rivière aux Cannes, or Cane River

ORENA FREDIEU

• Patrick Hogue (Samples). The Samples / Semples Family, 22 Jan 1984 - 17 Apr 2010. (Written Correspondence with: M. Dale Robertson; Twila (Maxey) Pimentel; Patty Rideout).

ORENA FREDIEU was the daughter of NARCISSE FREDIEU and CLEMENTINE LARENAUDIERE.

CHARLEY PAYNE was the son of CHARLES PAYNE and SAPHRONIA WILLIAMS.

Orena Fredieu married Charley Payne on December 8, 1895 at Grant Parish, Louisiana. Charley Payne is the boy in this photo.

(PHOTO) Standing - Mary Emily Payne and her brother Charley Payne.

(PHOTO) Seated - Martha Temperance Williams and Jake Williams.

• Patrick Hogue (Samples). The Samples / Semples Family, 22 Jan 1984 - 17 Apr 2010. (Written Correspondence with: M. Dale Robertson; Twila (Maxey) Pimentel; Patty Rideout).

Dear Pat,

Sorry it has taken me so long to rely to your letter. Let me give you some background, this is my wife's family, Minnie Simpson, her mother Lillie Isabelle Pierce, daughter of Mary Emily Payne and Marion Pierce. Mary Emily remarried and gave her daughter Lillie to a great Aunt to raise. The great Aunt was Martha Temperance Williams (Aunt "Temp"). Martha married to William Brack Rawson (Will Ross). Martha was born June 2, 1861 in Many, Sabine Parish, Louisiana. Lillie was about five or six when she went to live with Martha. Lillie married 1907 to John Thomas Simpson. Martha T. Williams father was Robert L. Williams and mother Jane Servena Evrett. Martha had a sister Saphronia (Williams) and a brother Jake (Jacob) Williams. This is about all we know, we cannot even find anything on Lillie's father Marion Pierce, but we keep on searching.

If we can be of more help, please let us know.

Sincerely,

M. Dale Robertson,

5422 Portland Road NE #62, Salem, Oregon 97305

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Dear Pat,

Thanks for the papers you sent. I will give them to Dad (Cecil Maxey). If you don't mind, we would appreciate any of the records you have. We don't have very many, so all you send would be appreciated. Dad said Grandpa Williams (Mack Littleton Williams) had a sister, they called her Aunt Temp. Her husband's name was Will Ross. She didn't have any children, but she and Will adopted some. Dad said he remembers she was a large woman. If we can help you any more let us know.

Sincerely,

Twila (Maxey), (ie. Maximilian) Pimentel

Twila (Maxey) Pimentel descends from FRANCESCA LARENAUDIER and JOHN MAXIMILLIAN, SR.

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17 Apr 2010

Martha T. Williams( Mattie) must have taken a number of children from various family members. My Grand-mother Dora T. Payne lost her Father Charlie Payne when she was about 12 yrs. old. She had four siblings, Mattie took all of them, it was supposed to be a temporary arrangement. They didn't see their MOTHER ORENA again for six yrs. My Grandmother said they were taken to Utah, worked on a farm and finally wound up in Arizona. Saphronia was their Grandmother.

Patty Rideout

Source: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15340161/person/249424581

NARCISSE FREDIEU (FamilySearch)

• "Pedigree Resource File," database,FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3SD4-XD6 : accessed 2015-07-10), entry for Clementine /Larenaudiere/, submitted by mdunne2705332.

Narcisse owned large plantations in and around the Cane River. He married twice: He was married to Tranqulline LeCompte, (b) 1833-(d)1856 - no children. He married 18 Sep 1882 to Elizabeth Cooper Cobb Penn, Colfax, Louisiana. She died in 1930 and is buried in Aloha Cemetery Grant Louisiana. They had 2 sons Edward Narcisse and Joseph Augustus. He associated with Clemmie Larouix but had no children. He associated with a Creole woman named Philomene Dorrad (b) 1 Nov 1941 (d) 1912. She mothered 8 children for Narcisse. This is the same Narcisse that the book "CANE RIVER" was written about.

Cohabitational relationship. Clementine Larenaudiere was his housekeeper.

Clementine Larenaudiere could only speak French and smoked a long pipe. After she and Victor Lasyone separated, she became the housekeeper of Narciss Fredieu. Clementine left Narciss and went to live in Verda in a small house across the street from ORENA. She died there and is buried in the Church Cemetery in Verda with a iron cross.

SOURCE:

1. Allen, Myrtle Thompson. Descendants of Michel (Miguel) Lemoine. (Publisher: myrtlallen@aol.com)

NARCISSE FREDIEU (Historic Pathways)

• Mother, Thy Name is Mystery! Finding the Slave Who Bore Philomene Daurat. By Rachel Mills Lennon; Elizabeth Shown Mills. (NATIONAL GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY QUARTERLY 88 (SEPTEMBER 2000): 201–24) historicpathways.com, (accessed 11 Jul 2015).

Narcisse Fredieu was a son born to the informal marriage of Pierre Edouard Fredieu and Marie Elisabeth Derbanne.

Family records also assert Narcisse Fredieu marriage to one Elizabeth Penn; if so; she, too, was a cousin—daughter of his late wife’s sister, Marie C. Derbanne, who wed William Penn.

PIERRE DERBANNE JR. Born 19 March 1753; married 13 February 1783, Marie Louise Brevel, whose paternal grandmother had been a Caddo Indian. The eldest of their many children, Pierre III, wed the French and Indian Marie Astasie Davion, 17 August 1807. Their large family included four of the Derbanne females mentioned in connection with Philomene Daurat and Narcisse Fredieu: i.e.,

(1) Marguerite Derbanne, Philomene’s neighbor of 1880;

(2) Marie Astasie Derbanne, Narcisse’s wife of the 1860s;

(3) Marie Florentine Derbanne, wife of William C. Davis, who sold Narcisse her interest in Astasie’s succession; and

(4) Marie C. Derbanne, wife of William Penn, whose daughter Elizabeth was said to be Narcisse’s last wife.