Family talk:Mathew Skeen and Jannetje Titus (2)

Robert Walker and Lydia (Unknown) Skeen [16 January 2010]

Hi, Delijim.

Nice work today, Sir! I did change the surname of Lydia back to Unknown since, as far as I know, we don't yet know her maiden name. If she was really born a Walker, please fill me in. I would be very interested.

I started to add the second marriage for Lydia Unknown Skeen Walker, but I wasn't sure if you already had a person page set up for this Robert Walker. I did do some looking, but didn't find one that was clearly him. On the other hand, you may have been working on this as I was looking for it....

I didn't want to set up an unnecessary duplicate Robert Walker person page to add this second marriage for Lydia.

Let me know what you want done.

Thanks, LindaS--LindaS 20:15, 16 January 2010 (EST)

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Jacob Skeen's wife Lydia and question on John Skeen, Jacob's brother [17 January 2010]

Hi Linda, regarding Jacob Skeen's wife Lydia, I've e-mailed Mike Hughes from Texas, who I received the information on the Skeen family from, to see if he has any sources to prove her as a Walker. I'll let you know what answer I get after I hear from him.

There was one other person that didn't agree with Mike's information on the Skeen family. You show the wife of John Skeen as an Elizabeth, but Mike's records (including deeds in Frederick County showing John and his wife Ingebo) show his wife as Ingebo Hughes, daughter of Francis Hughes. Do you have any records showing that his wife was Elizabeth, and any dates for their marriage? Perhsps Elizabeth was a second wife.....

If you have later records showing John and Elizabeth together, then we can at least place an approximate date of death for his wife Ingebo and a marriage date for him and Elizabeth, if you have that information.

Thanks and best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 09:31, 17 January 2010 (EST)

Hi Linda, here's the response I got from Mike (Looks like we should leave Lydia as Lydia "Unknown"):

Jim: Here are my notes on Jacob Skeen:

“The following notes are from Harry Long:

3. Jacob Skeen, son of Mathew and Jane Skeen, died in North Carolina survived by his wife Lydia and 13 heirs. At his death Jacob Skeen owned in Shenandoah County 1/3 of a 301 acre tractd on Smith Creek at New Market it being the same land granted by Fairfax to Jane Skeen and sons on 21 July 1749 and 1/3 of a 214 acre tract of adjoining mountain land which had been granted by Fairfax to Mathew, Jacob and Moses Skeen on 20 June 1780. On 5 Feb 1813 (Shen Co. DB PP, p 95) nine of the 13 heirs of Jacob Skeen deceased sold to Abraham Savage their respective interest in two certain tracts of land llying on both sides of Smith Creek in Shenandoah County. The heirs of Jacob Skeen may best be described by the following quotation from their deed of conveyance to Abraham Savage:

"This indenture made this fifth day of February Anno Domini 1813, between Mathew Skeen Senr. of Rowan County and State of North Carolina, James Skeen, agent and Attorney of John Skeen of Harrison County, Ind. and Territory, John Craven Esqre. Agent and Attorney of Hiram Narrowdike and Sarah his wife and for William Kensworthy and Lucretia his wife of the State of Ohio and for Lydia Walker former wife of Jacob Skeen decd.

James Skeen son of Mathew of Rowan County State of North Carolina, Revel Sofford and Jane his wife, Benjamin HOpkins and Mary his wife and James Skeen, son of Jacob, all of Randolph County and State of NOrth Carolina of one part and Abraham Savage of Shenandoah County of State of Virginia on the other part."

Upon reading this again, I’m not sure whether Lydia’s maiden name was Walker or whether she might have remarried someone named Walker after she was widowed. I just searched ancestry.com and found an entry which states that Jacob’s wife’s name was Lydia Stroud. Don’t know which is correct.

Thanks - Mike

Regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 09:58, 17 January 2010 (EST)

--- Great info, Jim.

First of all, Jacob and Lydia. The info I have says that Jacob Skeen and Lydia Unknown had twelve children, and that Jacob died in 1798. Then Lydia married a Robert Walker, and the couple moved to Highland Co OH where most of her children (from marriage with Jacob) had previously moved. I'm pretty confident that the Walker connection was a late second marriage. It's not impossible that she was originally a Walker who later remarried a Walker cousin, but I think it doesn't seem very likely.

I do not have the kid-list for Jacob and Lydia in my database. I've been meaning to see if these children are known to others, and then check Highland Co for a Robert and Lydia Walker in close proximity to known Skeen children of Jacob and Lydia. That would be nice. But I may not get around to it for a while.

Two bits of the info you got from Harry Long seem to help with this: "On 5 Feb 1813 (Shen Co. DB PP, p 95) nine of the 13 heirs of Jacob Skeen deceased sold to Abraham Savage their respective interest in two certain tracts of land llying on both sides of Smith Creek" I suspect that those nine heirs (by 1813 possibly including Lydia and her husband) are the ones who moved to OH.

"Agent and Attorney of Hiram Narrowdike and Sarah his wife and for William Kensworthy and Lucretia his wife of the State of Ohio and for Lydia Walker former wife of Jacob Skeen decd." Makes me wonder if Sarah and Lucretia were daughters of Lydia and Jacob.

The mention you found of a Lydia Stroud as our unknown Lydia is fascinating! I'll try to check this out, and keep you posted.

Second, the John and Elizabeth thing. 'Elizabeth' may very well be wrong. Her name was a mere mention in very limited information on this John. I have done little work on John. My connection is through his brother Mathew. And the source that had this 'mention' of Elizabeth and John was compiled by people also following Mathew, and primarily working from NC where Mathew's line continued. Could very well have been one VA document where the handwriting was horrid, and 'Ingebo' was thought to be 'Elizabeth'. I doubt they did much further work following the couple, and I know I haven't. If there are records of any sort mentioning a specific Ingebo, I would believe them. It is, of course, possible that there was a later marriage to an Elizabeth, but it is just as likely in this case that it may have been a misreading.

Please let Mike from Texas know about my total lack of evidence for any Elizabeth. I would be very interested in info on any evidences available for John Skeen and Ingebo Hughes, if he would be willing to share. Sounds like he has enough information to be fairly confident in Ingebo, and I have absolutely no confidence in Elizabeth. I will be tentatively correcting this today in my stuff. If I could be made confident, personally, of the Ingebo information, I would love to get back in touch with my old Mathew Skeen researchers, many of whom have the same 'Elizabeth' from the same source, and start getting this corrected. We don't want a mistake to keep getting passed around and around and around.....

I haven't worked on these people for a long time. Apparently it's time to start again. Thanks for the dense trail of breadcrumbs, sir!

Linda S Jan 17

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One of the Stroud researchers knows of Jacob Skeen and Lydia Stroud.... And of the children listed, there is a Lucretia who married a William Kenworthy and a Sarah who married a Hiram Nordyke. (See both in quote of legal doc above). Another son married a Rebecca Walker, likely related to Lydia/s second husband Robert. Another son married a Kenworthy daughter. I will get in touch with this researcher and see what can be found out re certainty.

--LindaS 16:18, 17 January 2010 (EST)