Family talk:Herbert III de Vermandois and Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine (1)
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Which Ermengarde? [24 jan 2016]

I wonder what the source is for Ermengarde de Macon, daughter of Alberic de Macon, as wife of Herbert. According to FR.WP Ermengarde is hypothesized to be the daughter of Renard de Bar-sur-Seine.--Edwin 16:14, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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