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Please do NOT make changes to this page before reading information below! There are TWO Robert Ramsey's (about the same age) in early Augusta County, Virginia that many researchers have confused. Not all information presented has been proven, but there is extensive research that has been done by several Ramsey researchers in the compilation of this family. Depending upon the exact birthdates of Robert Ramsey's children, one or more may be incorrectly placed with either of Robert Ramsey's wives. Please provide sources with any updates.
Descendants of Robert Ramsey Generation No. 1 1. ROBERT2 RAMSEY (ROBERT1) was born Abt. 1721, and died Abt. 1769 in Anson County, North Carolina. He married (1) MARGARET BEARD Abt. 1746 in Augusta County, Virginia, daughter of THOMAS BEARD and JEAN MCNUTT. She was born Bef. 1728 in Ireland/Pennsylvania, and died Bet. 1750 - 1756 in Augusta County, Virginia. He married (2) MARGARET MOORE Bef. 1757. She was born Bef. 1739, and died Bet. 1762 - May 1769. Notes for ROBERT RAMSEY: This Robert Ramsey is known as "Robert Ramsey of Beverley Manor", and has been sometimes confused with another Robert Ramsey, known as "Robert Ramsey of the Great River of Cow Pasture" in Augusta County, Virginia. This Robert married Margaret Beard, daughter of Thomas Beard and Jean McNutt of Augusta County, VA. Robert and Margaret migrated to Anson County, North Carolina before 1762 as indicated in Augusta County, VA records, when the sold 340 acres in "Beverley Manor" to James Henry. Some researchers believe that Margaret Beard, the wife of Robert Ramsey may have died about 1754 (which seems to explain the 7-year gap between his 3rd and 4th children), and supposedly he married another Margaret (probably Margaret Moore according to some researchers), but more research is necessary to prove the second marriage.
Information from Rootsweb.com post of Lee Ramsey (e-mail: lkramsey@comcast.net): Robert Ramsey of Beverley Manor Robert Ramsey of Beverley Manor, Augusta County, VA married Margaret Beard. They settled in the Beverley Manor by 1742; and removed to Anson County, NC before 18 Aug 1762, which date Robert Ramsey and Margaret of Anson County, NC conveyed to James Henry 340 acres in Beverley Manor, adjacent to Samuel Huston, Robert Alexander, Patrick Hays and William Purris. This is most likely the same 340 acres that was sold to Robert Ramsey by William Beverley on October 17, 1747 in the following transaction: Page 386.—17th October, 1747. Wm. Beverley to Robert Ramsey, £10.4.0; 340 acres in Beverley Manor; corner to Win. Roberson; to RobL Alexander and Patrick Hays; to Wm. Robinson. Teste: Robert Alexander, Jno. Fulton, Robt. Baird. Proved by Ro. Alexander and Ro. Beard, 18th November, 1747. Robert Ramsey's mother may have been Sarah Ramsey, who was widowed by 1753, the year she conveyed 309 acres adjacent to Robert Ramsey in Beverley Manor to John Fulton. Sarah Ramsey was an early settler in the Beverley Manor, and her land deed there was recorded in Orange County, VA in 1742. Augusta County, VA was not organized until 1745. There is also the question of whether Robert Ramsey was a brother of Capt John Ramsey of Beverley Manor. John Ramsey was also in Beverley Manor by 1742 and died in Augusta County, VA in 1783. His wife, Mary, died in 1786. Robert Ramsey's wife was Margaret Beard, the daughter of Thomas Beard, who left his will in Augusta County, VA 15 May 1769, providing a gift to Robert Ramsey and his children - "testator's grandchildren." Margaret Ramsey was not named in her father's will, inferring her death prior to May 1769. Robert Ramsey was one of the first elders of the Waxhaw Presbyterian Church, located near the mouth of the Waxhaw Creek, a tributary of the Catawba River. Robert and Margaret Ramsey's settlement in the Waxhaws was located in the far, southern end of the original Anson County, NC. The Waxhaw settlement land was taken into Mecklenburg County, NC in 1763, and later a portion fell into Union County, NC and a portion became apart of South Carolina .
The following records seems to indicate that "widow" Sarah Ramsey was probably the mother of this Robert Ramsey: In this record, Sarah Ramsey processioned for Robert Ramsey: AUGUSTA PARISH VESTRY BOOK. ADMINISTRATORS' BONDS. page 434 Page 17.--James Fulton and John Mitchell make returns, viz: 1748, 26th March, processioned for Samuel Doak, present Samuel Braford; processioned for John Mitchell, present Samuel Doak; processioned for Samuel Braford, present Samuel Doak; processioned for John Buchanan, present James Cowen; processioned for Martha Mitchell (widow), present John Buchanan; processioned for James Cowen, present David Mitchell; processioned for David Moor, present Jas. Cowan; processioned for Robert Wilson, present Andrew Alexander; processioned for Andrew Alexander, present Robert Wilson; processioned for Patrick Campbell, present Joseph Reed; processioned for Joseph Reeds, present Chas. Campbell; processioned for Chas. Campbell, present Pat. Campbell; processioned for Patrick Hays, present Wm. Robinson; processioned for Robert Alexander, present ROBERT RAMSEY; processioned for ROBT. RAMSEY, present Pat. Hays; processioned for SARAH RAMSEY (widow), present ROBT. RAMSEY; processioned for John Lockhart, present Pat. Hays; processioned for Thos. Beard, present John Lockhart; processioned for Samuel Wilson, present Robert Wilson; processioned for David Doak, present Samuel Wilson; processioned for Eleanor Mitchell (widow), present Robert Wilson; processioned for John Teats, present Thos. Beard; processioned for James Linn, present Samuel Doak; processioned for John Brownlee, present Wm. Smith; processioned for George Breckinridge, present, ---- Breckenridge; processioned for James Robinson, present Anthony Black; processioned for Anthony Black, present Jas. Robinson; processioned for Wm. Robinson, present ---- Robinson; processioned for Jas. Fulton, present Alex. Brownlee; processioned for Samuel Steel, present John Fulton
This appears to be the Robert Ramsey mentioned in the following records in Augusta County, VA : 22 Feb 1738/9 Robert Ramsey proved his importation in order to be eligible to purchase land. Source: Orange Co. Order Book I, P. 425 Page 294.—13th August, 1747. William Beverley to Robert Alexander, £9.9.0; 314 acres in Beverley Manor; Patrick Hays' line; corner Robert Ramsey. Witnessed and proved as above. Page 386.—17th October, 1747. Wm. Beverley to Robert Ramsey, £10.4.0; 340 acres in Beverley Manor; corner to Win. Roberson; to RobL Alexander and Patrick Hays; to Wm. Robinson. Teste: Robert Alexander, Jno. Fulton, Robt. Baird. Proved by Ro. Alexander and Ro. Beard, 18th November, 1747. Page 492.—27th February, 1749. Same to William Robinson, 380 acres in Beverley Manor. Corner Robert Ramsey, patent line. Corner Patrick Hays. Teste: Andrew McCord, William Robison, Andrew Duncan. Page 568.—28th February, 1749. Same to Robert Steel, 309 acres in Beverley Manor; corner Robert Alexander and Robert Ramsey; corner Nathaniel Steel; James Fulton's line; corner Samuel Steel. Teste: Samuel Steel, John McClure. Page 362.—20th May, 1752. William Robinson and Martha to Samuel Houston, 380 acres. In Beverley Manor; corner Robert Ramsey; corner Patrick Hays. Teste: John Huston, John Pery, John Huston. Page 292.—15th May, 1753. Samuel Houston to John Sprowl, 194 acre* in Beverley Manor on Beverley Manor and Borden's lines; John Montgomery's line; corner Patrick Hays; corner Robert Ramsey, part of 380 acres purchased by Samuel from Wm. Robinson. Teste: Thomas Paxton, James Edmiston, Francis Beatey.
These records indicate that Robert and Margaret Ramsey were in Anson County, North Carolina in 1756 and sold their land in Augusta County, VA in 1762: McBEE's ABSTRACTS of ANSON RECORDS show: p. 216: "William Beard of Anson, sold to ROBERT DAVIS, for 30 pounds Virginia Currency, 300 acres on Waxhaw Creek. April 24, 1756. Witnesses: John Crockett, Robert Ramsey, Repentance Townsend." On the very same day, Robert deeded part of this land as follows: "for natural love and affection for ALEXANDER CROCKETT, 202 acres." ANSON MICROFILM: Feb. 22, 1754. William Pickens and Archibald Crockett were witnesses of a James Larrimore deed. April 4, 1756, Robert Ramsey deed to JOHN DAVIS and MOSES DAVIS, all of Anson, for 35 pounds Virginia Currency, 380 acres on Waxhaw Creek, reginning at red oak, including Beard's corner. Witnesses: John Crockett, Repentance Townsend, Archibald Crockett. Page 506.—18th August, 1762. Robert Ramsey and Margaret, of Anson County in North Carolina, to James Henry, £70, 340 acres in Beverley Manor, cor. Samuel Huston; cor. Robert Alexander and Patrick Hays ; cor. Wm. Purris. Acknowledged and privy examination. Delivered: Samuel Henry, 21st June, 1771.
There were 11 land grants in the Catawba River Valley in 1752: Robert Ramsey, William Robinson, Robert Ramsey, David Templeton, Thomas McHonny, Edward Griffin, James Harmer, Andrew Alllison, John Battey, Evan Lewis, and Thomas McHonny. (Source: McAfee’s & Allied Families in the Catawba River Valley)
Page 64.—14th September, 1747. David Steele's will—Farmer, son Robert, plantation; wife; son, Nathaniel; daughters, Martha Teas, Isabella McCluer, 5 shillings; daughters, Rebecka, Jannet. Executors, Samuel Doak and Robert Ramsey; refused to execute. Teste: Wm. Steel, Geo. Braken- ridge, Robert Alexander. Proved, 18th November, 1747, by Brakenridge" and Alexander. Page 383.—17th October, 1747. Wm. Beverley to Samuel Steel, £17.14.0; 590 acres in Beverley Manor; corner to James Huston; David Steel's land; corner to Robert Alexander; corner to Patrick Hayes. Teste: Robert Alexander, Robert Ramsey, John Fulton. Proved by two Roberts, 18th November, 1747. Proved by John, 22d August, 1766.
Page 511.—18th July, 1752. James Fulton's will, farmer—Son, Hugh, 250 acres joining Samuel Steel's line. One horse died in New England, and 1 horse died here. Son, James, to take care of the widow for her life. Son, William. James to take care of the 2 young boys, David and Thomas, and 3 daughters, Elizabeth, Elliner, and jane. Son, John. To daughter, Elizabeth, a mare brought from New England. Son, David. Wife, Sarah, and son, Hugh, executors. Teste: Robert Ramsey, Thomas Beard, Robert Alexander. Proved, 15th August, 1753, by all witnesses, and executors qualify with sureties John Brownlee, Thos. Beard.
Additional information from Lee Ramsey (e-mail: lkramsey@comcast.net) on this Robert Ramsey: Jim, This is just a quick note for explanation. It may take a few readings to pickup on some of my analysis of the family structure that is buried in the research data. I believe Sarah Ramsey was Robert Ramsey’s widowed mother and that Capt John Ramsey of Beverley Manor may be Robert’s brother. This will account for my reference to Sarah Ramsey arrival to the Beverley Manor with two possible sons. All of this is based on circumstantial evidence. I also believe that the father of Robert Ramsey was deceased before Sarah and John and Robert Ramsey arrived to Augusta Co., VA by 1742. There will be no record in Orange or Augusta Counties for the father of Robert Ramsey or the husband of Sarah Ramsey, and I know of no one who has family records for these early dates. If the father of Robert Ramsey and the husband of Sarah Ramsey had come to the Beverley Manor there would have been a land record for him, and if he had died in Augusta Co., VA, there would be an estate administration for him. These were very successful, influential Presbyterian settlers who were able to immediately establish themselves; and, only a widow woman could take up land independent of her husband. Lee
From Genforum.com: Ramsey Family Genealogy Forum Re: Robert Ramsey, Augusta Co. VA [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ Return to Message Listings ] [ Help ] Posted by Marge Ramsey Davis on September 13, 1998 at 18:38:14: In Reply to: Robert Ramsey, Augusta Co. VA posted by Tom Ramsey on August 19, 1998 at 08:48:26: Hi Tom, I checked in a book I have that was written by Robert Stone. Here's what it says about Robert Ramsey. "In the Augusta Parish Vestry Book (Page 17), 26 March 1748, is a notation "Processioned for Sarah Ramsey (widow) present Robert Ramsey." This is indicative that Sarah was Robert's mother. This Robert Ramsey lived in a section of Augusta Co, VA called Beverly Manor. The widowed mother, Sarah, sold her land in Beverly Manor in 1753. One of Robert's children was also named Robert, and on 18 August 1762 he and Margaret of Anson Co sold 340 acres in Beverly Manor.
One researcher made the following conclusion regarding Robert Ramsey's family: III.2: ROBERT RAMSEY b c1721, d aft 14 Jun 1792, probably SC, md 1st c1748 to Margaret Beard, dau of Thomas Beard. Following is the analysis of Miss Nancy Crockett, a retired schoolteacher and genealogist living in Lancaster, SC: Robert Ramsey sold property in 1756 to Moses Davis, but no wife joined him in signing deed. Deeds for property sold by Robert Ramsey before and after that date were signed as "Margaret [her X mark] Ramsey". Thomas Beard in his will left money to "children of Robert Ramsey viz my grandchildren", 1769 Lancaster District, SC. John Ramsey, Revolutionary War pension #S31318 "John Ramsey, the son of Robert, was born in 1758 in Craven (later Lancaster) County, South Carolina. "While residing in said Craven County, he enlisted sometime in 1775 [1], served at various times on short tours until 1781, about ten months and three weeks in all as a private under Captains John Barclay, James Montgomery, Henry Coffee, Colonels Kershaw [2] and Davie in the South Carolina troops, and was at the siege of a Ford on Congaree, at the battle at Colonel Thompson's, at the battle of Hanging Rock and in two battles on the east side of the Catawba River. He stated that on one tour, he served as a substitute for his uncle, James Moore". Miss Crockett concluded that Robert Ramsey m (1) Margaret Beard and (2) Margaret Moore. Probable ch of Robert Ramsey & Margaret Beard: III.2.a: Sarah Ramsey b c1749 III.2.b: William Ramsey b c1755 Probable ch of Robert Ramsey & Margaret Moore: III.2.c: John Ramsey b c1758 md Eleanor Unknown, died 1844 in Henderson Co, KY. Served Rev War, received pension. Eight children. III.2.d: Robert Ramsey b 1759-1763 Craven Co, SC d aft 1839 Henry Co, TN md Sarah Givens. Served Rev War, received pension. Eight children. III.2.e: James Ramsey b 1761 d c1842 Lancaster Dist, md Rosannah Unknown. Served Rev War, no pension. Three children. III.2.f: Alexander Ramsey b 1765 d 8 Sept 1855 Wayne Co, IL, md Eleanor Lynn. Served Rev War, no pension. Seven children.
Robert Ramsey of Beverley Manor, Augusta County, VA married Margaret Beard. They settled in the Beverley Manor by 1742; and removed to Anson County, NC before 18 Aug 1762, which date Robert Ramsey and Margaret of Anson County, NC conveyed to James Henry 340 acres in Beverley Manor, adjacent to Samuel Huston, Robert Alexander, Patrick Hays and William Purris. Robert Ramsey's mother may have been Sarah Ramsey, who was widowed by 1753, the year she conveyed 309 acres adjacent to Robert Ramsey in Beverley Manor to John Fulton. Sarah Ramsey was an early settler in the Beverley Manor, and her land deed there was recorded in Orange County, VA in 1742. Augusta County, VA was not organized until 1745. There is also the question of whether Robert Ramsey was a brother
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1717/RAMSEY/rqueries.htm July 20, 1997 RAMSEY CHEROKEE ANCESTORS I have recently been told by a newly found RAMSEY cousin, that he was told we have Cherokee ancestors in our line. My mother also told me this, but had no information on who this ancestor/ancestors were. My RAMSEY line goes from ROBERT RAMSEY born about 1718 possibly in VA and his wife MARGARET BEARD born about 1739. Margaret's father was believed to have been THOMAS BEARD. Robert and Margaret's son, ALEXANDER RAMSEY was my 4 times Great Grandfather. His son, JAMES RAMSEY was my 3 times Great Grandfather. His son, ROBERT H. RAMSEY was my 2 times Great Grandfather. The migration path for my RAMSEY line goes from Augusta Co., VA to Lancaster and Craven Counties of South Carolina to Hopkins County, Kentucky-- with TN thrown in somewhere along the line--to Wayne and Effingham Counties of Illinois to the Springfield area of Missouri to Yale and Pryor, OK. I am very interested in finding out what Cherokee ancestors I may have and would appreciate hearing from anyone who has information about this! Thanks! Deborah Rupp (housnwoods@earthlink.net)
Notes for WILLIAM RAMSEY: From Genforum.com posts: Re: William & Elizabeth Ramsey of Pennsylvania Posted by: Linda Powell Date: January 13, 1999 at 21:37:45 In Reply to: Re: William & Elizabeth Ramsey of Pennsylvania by Kathy Johnston of 5876 According to Directory of Scottish Settlers, 1625-1825 published 1985, Vol. V, by Dobson. A Wm. Ramsey b. 1747 emmigrated from Scotland via ship "Londenderry" from Ireland to America, Lanc. Co. Pa. in 1768. Married Elizabeth Lackey in 1771 then married Martha Ochiltree in 1796. I would be interested in knowing if you have a Delawre connection on your family tree. My g-g-grandfather Hugh Ramsey came to America. We are trying to track his to Ireland/Scotland. E-Mail DEnatives@aol.com. Willing to exchange info over phone also.
Re: William & Elizabeth Ramsey of Pennsylvania Posted by: Lonna Poland Date: March 04, 2001 at 20:25:02 In Reply to: Re: William & Elizabeth Ramsey of Pennsylvania by DENNIS WARD of 5876 According to my records, William Ramsey & his first wife, Elizabeth Lackey were married in Lancaster Co. PA in 1771. Elizabeth was buried there. Later William married Martha Ochiltree in Rockbridge Co. VA. Several of their children were born there, and others of their children were born after their move to Preble Co. OH. William had about 15 children with these two wives and their descendants and the descendants of William's brother Hugh, were scattered in PA, VA and Ohio. I am descended from John Ramsey, a son of William & Elizabeth, who was born in PA and later married Elizabeth Campbell in Rockbridge Co. VA. Although some of their children were born in VA, they also had a few children in Preble Co. OH, so it looks like they either moved to OH with his father, or his father followed them there. Their son, William, my gr gr grandfather was born in OH. Although I have the lists of many of these children and grandchildren of William and his two wives, I don't seen anyone named Edmund, although it's quite possible that he could have been a grandson of either William or Hugh. If you'd like to write to me at lonna@granbury.com, perhaps we can still compare notes.
Children of ROBERT RAMSEY and MARGARET MOORE are:
Notes for JOHN RAMSEY: Possible connection (needs more research) source: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyhopkin/hcgs/tuckaways/orderbk1831-39.txt
John Ramsey, a soldier of the Revolution, produced into court a declaration of his enlistment services and made oath that he was a resident of said county, aged 73 years that he enlisted for the term of 6 weeks at a time in the militia in the year 1774 in the state of South Carolina under the Company Command of John Barclay in the regiment commanded by Colonel Eli Kershaw and continued to serve in the said Corps until the end of the War when he was discharged from the service in 1781 in S.C. It was proved to the satisfaction of the Court that he did serve in the Revolutionary War. February 13, 1832 County Court. [pg 29] vii. ALEXANDER RAMSEY, b. 1765.
Endnotes 1. Ramsey, Rebecca - e-mail: rramrey113@aol.com. 2. Wilson, Howard McKnight, The Tinkling Spring, Headwater of Freedom, (Privatetly published by The Tinkiling Spring and Hermitage Presbyterian Churches, pub. Fishersville, Virginia), pg. 480. 3. Ramsey, Barb - e-mail: bramsey@iquest.net. |
