Family:Johann Wall and Gertruda Wiebe (1)

Watchers
b. Abt 1768 Prussia
d. Bef 1812
 
b. 18 May 1768 Prussia
m. Abt 1795
Facts and Events
Marriage[1][8] Abt 1795
Residence[2][3][4][5][6][7] From 1801 to 1808 Neuendorf, Chortitza Colony, South Russia
Children
BirthDeath
1.
10 Jun 1858 South Russia
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Bef 20 Sep 1808
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3 May 1860 South Russia
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References
  1. Neuendorf II.30, in Schapansky, Henry. The old colony (Chortitza) of Russia: early history and first settlers in the context of the Mennonite Migrations. (Canada?: H. Schapansky, c2001)
    pages 323-24.

    'Johann Wall (b. 1768, bapt. 1789, d. before 1812) Neuendorf 1802, 1803, 1806, 1808
    A son of Ehrendfried Wall (Friedrich) Wall, Czatkau 1776: 3 sons, 1 dau., Heubuden Gem..
    m1) X (unknown)
    m2) [as her second husband] Gertruda Wiebe (18.5.1768-20.7.1838)
    [who married first, as his second wife] Johann Neufeld (b. 1756, d. before 1802) Chortitza 1793, 1795, Rosenthal No Date [first wife unknown]
    [and married third, as his second wife] 27.7.1812 Franz Thiessen (29.3.1777-10.9.1846) Neuendorf 1802, 1803, 1806, 1808
    [who married first] 26.12.1800 Kristina Löwen (b. 15.9.1780, d. before 1812)
    [and married third, as her second husband] Katherina Dyck (b. 21.12.1790)'

  2. 1802 changes, Neuendorf #98, in Unruh, Benjamin Heinrich. Die niederländisch-niederdeutschen Hintergründe der mennonitischen Ostwanderungen: im 16., 18. und 19 Jahrhundert. (Karlsruhe-Rüppurr: B. H. Unruh, 1955)
    pages 246 & 249.

    'Die "Feuerstellen-Listen 1802"
    "Verzeichnis der Wirthen in der Chortietzer Colonie, so wie sie anfangs in der Colonie Etabliret sind, und durch welch einen Umstand die Nahmen der Ersten Wirthe verändert worden" 1802 ...
    Johann Wall ist noch ohnverändert Johann Wall.'

    Translation:
    The Homestead List 1802
    Directory of landlords in Chortitza Colony, as they were first established in the colony and by what circumstance the names of the first landlord were changed, 1802 ...
    Johann Wall is still unchanged Johann Wall.

  3. 1803 list, Neuendorf, #45 (4), in Unruh, Benjamin Heinrich. Die niederländisch-niederdeutschen Hintergründe der mennonitischen Ostwanderungen: im 16., 18. und 19 Jahrhundert. (Karlsruhe-Rüppurr: B. H. Unruh, 1955)
    page 215.

    'Wall, Johann'

  4. 1802 census (27 Apr 1802), Neuendorf #5, in Unruh, Benjamin Heinrich. Die niederländisch-niederdeutschen Hintergründe der mennonitischen Ostwanderungen: im 16., 18. und 19 Jahrhundert. (Karlsruhe-Rüppurr: B. H. Unruh, 1955)
    page 254.

    'Johan Wall, Schneider [tailor] 33 J, Frau Gertruda 32, Ki Helena 9, Johan 8, Neclaß 5, Cornelius 3, Gertruda 1, Margaretha, ist geb. den 19. Martz.'

  5. 1806 census, Neuendorf, in Rempel, Peter; Alfred H. Redekopp; and Richard D. Thiessen. Mennonite migration to Russia, 1788-1828. (Winnipeg: Manitoba Mennonite Historical Society, 2000)
    page 35.

    'Johann Wall ([name also given in Cyrillic]) arrived in Russia in 1795 and was an original settler Neuendorf, Chortitza. ... In 1806 the owner of the farm is the same Johann Wall ([name also given in Cyrillic]), whose family consists of 4 males and 5 females. (W3-24.7-1806)'

  6. Neuendorf #5, in 1801 Census, Chortitza Colony, South Russia: Odessa Archives, Fond 6, Inventory 1, File 67, compiled by Tim Ja.

    'Johan Wall, tailor 33; his wife Gertruda 32; first son Johan 8; second son Cornelius 3; first daughter Helena 9; second daughter Gertruda 1.'

  7. 1808 census (20 Sep 1808), Neuendorf #4, in Unruh, Benjamin Heinrich. Die niederländisch-niederdeutschen Hintergründe der mennonitischen Ostwanderungen: im 16., 18. und 19 Jahrhundert. (Karlsruhe-Rüppurr: B. H. Unruh, 1955)
    page 267.

    'Johann Wall 40 J, aus der Stadt [city] Danzig, Menno R, Schneider [tailor], Frau Gertruda 39, Ki Magdalena 16, Johann 13, Cornelius 10, Gertruda 8, Margaretha 6, Jacob 1.'

  8. Gertruda is listed with her previous husband, Johann Neufeld, in the 1795 Chortitza census (Unruh p. 237, Chortitza #7). Johann Neufeld appears to have died sometime between 1795 and 1797. If Claass Wall (b. Feb 1796) is Gertruda's son (rather than the son of Johann Wall's first wife), then Johann Neufeld must have died in 1795 and Gertruda married Johann Wall in the same year.