Family:Jameston Hatcher and Sarah Hays (1)

Subj: Charles Hay......... Date: 11/29/2004 10:41:31 AM Pacific Standard Time From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent from the Internet (Details)

HATCHER website: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/faq.htm HATCHER DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hatDNA.htm Researching: Cook, Hall, Hatcher, Miller, Shepherd, Timberman "Genealogy without Documentation is Nothing" - Paul Drake

Hi Jim,

Found your msg on Charles on Genforum from 12-2003 and am impressed that great minds think alike. I, too, suspect that Charles came out of AugustaCo, VA but with not much more than bits and pieces from the "Chalkley's Chronicles." See Charles on our site at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~wmhatch1

But my interest in the family of Charles goes to Jameston Hatcher/Sarah Hay and recent serious problems concerning the "children" of Jameston and Sarah. Their oldest child was believed to be John Hatcher bn c1767 (md Eve Morris). When younger brother Charles Hatcher (who had no kids) died in AR, several of John's descendants inherited. So far, so good.

Then we got the DNA results back from 4 descendants of John/Eve and they did not match the other results from other descendants of the Hatcher family. So John Hatcher wasn't a Hatcher by birth and wasn't the son of Jameston. With no direction to guide us, this poor family lay in limbo until just recently when we rec'd word that John matched the results of a descendant of Obediah Bolding out of GreenvilleCo, SC. Now that got my attention since I know both Charles Hay and Jameston were in the Long Cane/Greenville area in 1772 when both were involved in a land transaction (see Jameston Hatcher's page on WC) with James and Hannah Robinson. There was a ref in Chalkley's to a James and Hannah Robinson being in AugustaCo 1769 and I'd be quite sure they were the same couple found in SC in 1772.

But to shorten up this tale of woe, we now believe that Sarah Hay was first married to an unknown Bolling/Bolding or Bourland (and that at least John and perhaps 2 other kids took the Hatcher name of step-daddy Jameston). And there were Bourlands coming out of the woodwork in AugustaCo.

The biggest problem, though, is with the god-awful misspellings of these names and the DNA results for these B families. There are 15 email lists for the various spellings, at least 6 different "families" identified in the "Bolling" DNA results and nobody knows for sure who they are - a Bolling, Bolding, Bourland, etc. And that holds true for Obediah Bolding and his alleged descendants who all seem to believe (but can't prove) that his family came out of HenryCo, VA. Then toss in the book written by a Bolding who claims descent from Pocahontas and the fun really begins with the wannabes trying to hook up, taking DNA tests, being disappointed, and now back to the drawing board trying to figure out who they really are............ :-(

I do think that Charles had another brother, Henry, who we found in the following record:

Ninety Six District, South Carolina Journal of the Court of Ordinary Inventory Book, Will Book 1781-1896 By Brent H. Holcomb, G.R.S., 1978. Page 36.

Page 56-7. A List & Acct of the Sales of the Estate of John Montgomery, Deceased, made on or about the 25th of February 1777 and Certified & returned to this office the 12th of March 1783 by James Finley Executor, in old Currency.

Purchasers: Andrew English, Wm Bob [Babb?], Wm Strain, HENERY HAY, CHARLES HAY, John Jonston, Hugh Reed, John McCalpin, Robert Selfrige, John Miller, John Pickens, Wm. Bell, Demsey Tyner, Thos. Bell, Joseph Pickins, Robt Young, Andrew Pickens, Shedrak Stevens, THOS. HATCHER, Aron Steel, Henry Peycock, George Alexander, John Strain, Thos Cannon, Joel Theaker, JOAB [Jameston] HATCHER, Thos Coil, Joseph Pickins, Agness Mountgomery, Jas Filespey, Wm Lislly, George Willison, John McComb, Andrew Moat, Doctor Russell, Doctor Martin, James Seawright, Andrew Miller. Total L 634 17 6. Examined & Certified by Pat: Calhoun, Surrogate.

I have a bit more info on Henry Hay on his WC page where I've attached him (with reservations) as a brother of Charles.

If any of this makes sense to you or compares favorably to your current picture of this Hay family, would love to hear from you.

Actually your name seems to be familiar and it may be that we've talked before sometime in the distant past.

Oops! One question - did Jennet Robinson (from Rebecca's will) marry a Nelson or Wilson? Did Mary marry a Hutson or a Huston? My abstract shows Nelson and Hutson.

Cheers, Nel Hatcher

Children of JAMESTON HATCHER and SARAH HAYS are:

• i. NANCY ANNA2 HATCHER, b. WFT Est. 1770-1785; m. MR. MARLOW.
• ii. HENRY HAYS HATCHER, b. Abt. 1774.
• iii. CHARLES HATCHER, b. Abt. 1775, Long Canes, South Carolina; d. Bef. Aug 1858, Randolph County, Arkansas; m. REBECCA ???; b. 1786; d. 03 Apr 1859, Randolph County, Arkansas.
• iv. REBECCA HATCHER, b. Abt. 1783.
• v. SARAH HATCHER, b. Abt. 1784.
• vi. HARRIS HATCHER, b. 22 Dec 1787, Tennessee; d. 13 Jan 1864, Overton County, Tennessee; m. (1) MARY CONNER, 19 Feb 1805, Cumberland County, Kentucky; b. WFT Est. 1785-1787; d. Bef. 1848; m. (2) COATNEY ANN RYAN, Oct 1848, Overton County, Tennessee.
• vii. JAMES THOMAS HATCHER, b. Abt. 1788.

1.   Yates Publishing. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900: [database online] (not considered a reliable primary source). (Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004).

   Name: Jameston Hatcher
   Gender: Male
   Birth Place: VA
   Birth Year: 1755
   Spouse Name: Sarah Hay
   Marriage State: of SC
   Number Pages: 1