Talk:Anglican Parishes in London

FamilySearch Wiki London [1 April 2012]

I love the ideas you've come up with for family history research in London. Congratulations on being a featured page! I have contributed content to the London parish pages on FamilySearch Wiki. I wonder if there is some way we can cross-reference between the two Wikis?

Main London page: https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/London

Example of a London parish page: https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/St_Magnus_the_Martyr_with_St_Margaret_New_Fish_Street_and_St_Michael_Crooked_Lane

Murphynw 22:53, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

Wow, those FamilySearch pages are impressive! I started out with separate Parish articles but someone suggested it'd be more useful to researchers to have all the parishes listed on the same page, so I took the idea/template from the Wikipedia page List of churches in London. Now I'm a little worried that the page might grow too long / take too long to load, so any suggestions or changes to help this would be welcome.

I really started the page as a reference for myself, so I could link baptism and marriage records to a page with more information about the church. As such, it is very much a work-in-progress, with churches added as I come across them. Anyone wanting to add or correct info would be much appreciated! The tables are incomplete, as I haven't found the time yet to go through and add what year the churches were consecrated or what their modern parish is. Perhaps as the FamilySearch parish pages are so comprehensive, we could take out these unused columns and replace them with a link to the FamilySearch page?--Jocelyn_K_B 20:50, 31 March 2012 (EDT)

That would be great! We'd really appreciate that. FamilySearch Wiki is incapable of holding Google Maps. We don't have the links to Booth's map or AIM25 either. I'd love to link our pages to yours so visitors can take advantage of your page. Murphynw 22:54, 31 March 2012 (EDT)

Overall map [8 April 2012]

Can I just check what the intention is with the groups here? Is it by current London Borough or by the older London County Council boroughs? Either way round, a map - perhaps http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:London_civil_parishes_abolished_1965.png - could be useful as an introduction. AndrewRT 18:01, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

Not knowing the geography of London too well I used the list of the Wikipedia List of churches in London as my template - turns out that list uses the 32 current London boroughs. I'm happy to keep using the current boroughs as a key part of the intention of the page was to show where churches are under their current London address rather than their historical parish or street address (and now I can see that the FamilySearch wiki covers things very well from the historical angle).

I agree it would be a good idea to include a map at the top of the page. There's a good map on the Wikipedia London borough page that I'd like to use but I don't know how, any help would be much appreciated.--Jocelyn_K_B 03:54, 7 April 2012 (EDT)

Just click through on Wikipedia until you get to the image itself, download it to your computer and then use Add/Image in the toolbar above to upload a copy to werelate. Check the author & license used on Wikipedia and make sure the same are added to the file here. Then you can link it in using [[Image:Name.png]] AndrewRT 21:09, 7 April 2012 (EDT)

Use of the term "Anglican Parishes" [22 June 2012]

I was just browsing WR Articles when I came to this page. I admire the work that has been done. It will be very helpful to people with ancestors in the Greater London area. But the term commonly used in England for the "Anglican Church" is "The Church of England". As a non-UK-citizen living in England for over 40 years, I know the look I would get from the man on the street if I spoke of the Anglican Church. Some reference to the Church of England in the introduction might be in order--even if it is not used in the title. With respect --goldenoldie 10:25, 22 June 2012 (EDT)

City of London Churches [19 August 2012]

I keep wondering why you have listed only one church in the City of London--and that isn't even St Paul's Cathedral. The List of churches in London has quite a list (though it includes non-established churches) and Wikipedia also has another page on Christopher Wren churches, most of which were in the City. --goldenoldie 14:18, 18 August 2012 (EDT)

Hi goldenoldie, I named the page "Anglican Parishes" because in New Zealand (where I live) a Church of England church is known as an Anglican church, and I didn't realise it was different in England. The list is currently incomplete and I add to it as time allows - I'd be very happy if other users added to the list. The only thing I ask that isn't changed is the title of the page as I've linked to the page on many of the Person and Family pages I've made, and I don't want these links to be broken. Cheers, Jocelyn--Jocelyn_K_B 18:57, 18 August 2012 (EDT)

I'll leave the expansion of the page to you--and maybe, if they joined WeRelate, native English people who know their stuff. You might find some useful data on GENUKI. Good luck. --goldenoldie 02:07, 19 August 2012 (EDT)

Looking at Anglican Parishes in London again [29 April 2017]

Hi

I've been having a look at your newest revision of Anglican Parishes in London and at the earlier discussion on this page. Since my earlier visit I have updated many of the London borough pages, but that was a couple of years ago, and there is still much more to do. I am glad you have added a map, but perhaps you may want to see the equivalent ones on the London, England (1900-1965) and Greater London, England (1965 to the present) pages. The map you have used appears to show the ecclesiastical parishes while the others show the London boroughs in two different eras.

On the London, England page the list of Unknowns is still terribly long. These are all City of London parishes in need of identification, both in location and in time. (Over the centuries many neighbouring parishes have merged.) I have downloaded a huge map of the parishes from The Phillimore Atlas and Index of Parish Registers, but have never figured out how to reproduce it in a size that we could use in WeRelate.

Keep up the good work. --Goldenoldie 18:36, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Goldenoldie, thanks for the comment & sorry it's taken me so long to reply (work/life gets in the way of genealogy sometimes!) Thanks for your suggestion to update the map at the top of the page to Greater London map, which I've done today. I have to admit the sheer number of parishes and churches in London is overwhelming and the way they changed over time can be very confusing. I've thought again about whether I should use the post-1965 London boroughs or the pre-1965 Metropolitan boroughs as headings, and I've come to the conclusion that for now I'll leave it under the post-1965 boroughs, mainly because the Aim25 pages list them under these headings so when I'm unsure where a church should go I can look it up on the Aim25 page. It looks like the Booth map has been much improved since I started making the page, which is exciting, and might make the need for a separate Google map unnecessary for areas covered by the Booth map. I'll try to do a bit of updating over the next few days. I always welcome suggestions and corrections as I value the collaborative nature of wiki-style websites with WeRelate. Goldenoldie my thanks to you for the time you've put in organising and adding all the area pages etc. My own focus at this time is tidying up my previous research on my own family tree and publishing it to WeRelate (which seems to be taking years) which is why this page is only added to at irregular intervals. To anyone out there reading this - feel free to add to the page!--Jocelyn_K_B 22:49, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jocelyn

Your Anglican Parishes in London has undergone quite a makeover and now it's really outstanding. Can't help being pleased that you liked my map. It was traced and recoloured from the Wikimedia Commons one; my aim was to use colour to improve the clarification for users far away from London. The addition of the Google Map and Booth Map links are both very useful. I see that Booth included the old parish boundaries which will be awfully useful for civil parish work as well. You have found resources I didn't know anything about.

I had never looked at AIM25. Just reading over the first page of the index and seeing how many churches were named AllHallows tells one a lot.

Don't be surprised if your use of tables to explain things gets used "in the provinces" as well. I was working in WeRelate for quite a while before I understood what table-making was all about within the web, though I was using tables made with ruler on paper for various subjects more than 50 years ago.

I see you are using "My Google Maps". This is something I haven't tackled yet, but have been wanting to. I see Linda Louise Cooke had revised her video on the topic. I must have a look at it and see how I can put her ideas to use. Do you know how to add a zoom feature to your maps? They are at a pretty large scale and I am finding more restaurants than churches (this is a well-known Google failing, I have heard). A lesser zoom might help.

The only way I knew to identify parish boundaries was FamilySearch's "English Jurisdictions 1851" which is helpful for all old big cities. I happened to omit it as a reference in Research Tips on Kent (current project) and was really needing it this past week when I got to Canterbury. One more thing to add to the template!

All the best, --Goldenoldie 10:16, 29 April 2017 (UTC)