Person talk:Hendrik Swets (3)

[31 October 2013]

It looks if Hendrik is a son of Teunis SwetsFamily:Teunis Swets and Aartje Oldemans (1) and Jane is in fact Jannigtje Gouwen, born 2 Jun 1837, died 2 Jun 1919--henk 08:58, 30 October 2013 (UTC) It is possible there is a gap between 1827 and 1830, But I cann't find a Birth record.

I think there's some rule about that: if there are records missing, the person you are looking for is there. I was looking for someone born at the end of the year, and wouldn't you know that all of the month of December for that year had gone missing.

PS, don't let just one census convince you to name someone 'Swet' instead of 'Swets'. I trust family naming conventions a lot more than the censustaker's spelling. --Pkeegstra 10:37, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

ad the Genver/Landverhuizers Hendrik is mentioned as Hendrik Tzn which means Hendrik Teuniszoon

I'm not seeing Hardixveld at all in this collection. Is it under a different name?

In this collection is not much....

Hardingsveld:

    Huwelijksbijlagen 1843
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1844
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1845
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1846
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1881
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1882
    Tienjarige tafels 1903-1912

Hardinxveld:

    Huwelijksaangiften 1883-1907
    Huwelijksaangiften 1908-1912
    Huwelijksaangiften 1913-1922
    Huwelijksafkondigingen 1883-1912
    Huwelijksafkondigingen 1913-1922
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1812-1823
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1824-1831
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1832-1836
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1837-1842
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1883-1892
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1906-1907
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1908-1912
    Huwelijksbijlagen 1913-1922
    Huwelijkstoestemmingen 1913-1922
    Tienjarige tafels 1883-1912
    Tienjarige tafels 1913-1922

n.b. Gorinchem 1918 overlijdensakte 106 calls the parents Teunis Swets and Hendrika Oldemans. There are 2 Hendrika Oldemans who married in Hardinxveld, but neither married a Swets. Also, Aartje's father was named Hendrik. So I think we can safely assume that Hendrika is a typo for Aartje. Note that both witnesses Gerrit van Beest and Marinus Kunst were young (forty something), and neither was a close family member.

research notes [31 October 2013]

Jane? : http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=51297266--henk 10:36, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Then your Person:Piethe Swet (1) must be Pieterje Swets Brashler.... --Pkeegstra 10:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I wonder where Hendrik is?

this looks like a reliable site: http://dalenberg.info/family_tree/index.php?ctype=gedcom may be contact him?

Could be worth a try. It's not clear if Swets is in his direct line. But it is odd that if they died only a year apart they aren't buried right together. And especially when I see a "Mother" I expect a matching "Father".

n.b. your newspaper obituary is not inconsistent with Mrs. H. Swets's maiden name being Jannigje Gouwens. American women's obituaries of a certain era carefully avoided naming either the maiden name or the wife's given name. (Thus driving those of us with genealogical interest nuts.) --Pkeegstra 19:15, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

This obituary says something else too :-) she reached her 82th Birthday , which could mean that she was born jun 1837, when it measn that she died on her birthday which was then 2 jun the same day Jannigje was born......

Ah! I hadn't noticed that. Yes, Jannigje did die on the day of her 82nd birthday, if the dates in the FindAGrave page are to be believed. --Pkeegstra 20:48, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

The answesr might be in this book: HISTORY AND GENEALOGY OF THE GOWENS FAMILY, 1848-1956. Senttous by John L. Vinke, 525 E. 160th Place, Sout

[30 October 2013]

You might better use : http://www.genver.nl/indexzh.htm--henk 11:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

The entries in the geboorteregister for late October, 1828 are the following:

113 14 Oct/14 Oct Janna de Kok
114 17 Oct/18 Oct Pieter Lagerweij
115 20 Oct/20 Oct Cornelia de Rover
116 30 Oct/30 Oct Johannis Gelderblom
117 11 Nov/11 Nov Gerrit van den Heuvel

The births in that family are pretty consistently about 18 months except for the 30-month gap between Marigje and second Teuna. Any intervening full-term birth could not be earlier than May 1828 or later than Jun 1829. The midpoint would indeed be about Nov 1828. --Pkeegstra 16:49, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Death Date (Bingo!) [31 October 2013]

I'm not so sure about that 1918 death date for Hendrik. I think the link below could be Jane and Minnie in the 1900 census, and Jane shows up as widowed.

"United States Census, 1900," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MS7V-CF5 : accessed 30 Oct 2013), Jennie Swets, ED 1192 Thornton Township South Holland village, Cook, Illinois, United States; citing sheet 16B, family 248, NARA microfilm publication T623, FHL microfilm 1240295.--Pkeegstra 17:43, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

http://www.calvin.edu/hh/family_history_resources/genealogies_page.htm

Yeah, it's an impressive list, but they don't digitize it, so you have to actually make the pilgrimage to Grand Rapids to look at it. I can ask two of my student contacts there to investigate.... --Pkeegstra 10:21, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Gorinchem 1918 overlijdensakte 106

I found that from here.

I'm not sure how to make that consistent with the above 1900 census entry. But I note that the akte says that Hendrik is a widower, and Jannigje was alive until 1919. Had both spouses written the other off for dead?

--Pkeegstra 16:53, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Here is the overlijdensakte from Heukelum. Which was the deathplace and which was the hometown? --Pkeegstra 18:16, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Bremerhaven [31 October 2013]

Unfortunately Bremerhaven is not one of the listed genealogies at www.online-ofb.de. Are there other options? --Pkeegstra 15:21, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

n.b. Gorinchem 1918 overlijdensakte 106 confirms the birth in Bremen, DE.

Kranten [5 November 2013]

• death notice
• Agent der Holland Amerika-Lijn
• vertrekken naar Noord Amerika --Jennifer (JBS66) 18:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone understand the reference to Texas? That looks like new information. There is a place Nederland, Jefferson County, Texas which was originally settled by Dutch immigrants. A Cornelius Swets seems to have emigrated in 1904 and settled there. --Pkeegstra 21:04, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Interesting, I admit that I didn't read beyond the original paragraph of that link. It appears they were going to travel to Nederland, Texas first because his brother-in-law and brother (maybe meaning his brother-in-law and her brother?) were living there. Henk will have to help with the specifics of that translation though :) --Jennifer (JBS66) 21:16, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

It seems the 3rd and 2nd articles are about a different Hendrik Swets. Hendrik (b 1864) and Jennie (b 1871) arrived on 18 Oct 1904 to Ellis Island. Their destination was Jefferson, County Texas to "br in l Mr. C. vd Bout" --Jennifer (JBS66) 22:11, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

For reference, Hendrik and Jannetje. Also, Cornelis. --Pkeegstra 22:29, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Date of Birth [10 December 2013]

OK, there is still one open question I'd really like to resolve. The date of birth "16 Oct 1828" "looks right" in that it is almost precisely between the next younger and next older siblings. What is the nature of the evidence for it? Can we find evidence sufficient to convince ourselves it should be made primary? --Pkeegstra 22:26, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

(If he had stayed around for the 1900 census we would have a birth month from that. Unfortunately, we infer that he went back to the Netherlands before then.) --Pkeegstra 11:40, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

(I'm trying to get one of my minions to make a copy of the Swets family history archived at Calvin College. Perhaps that will both provide a source for the birth date and explain why the family was in Bremerhaven then.) --Pkeegstra 12:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jennifer, Henk and P. Keegstra (given name please),

I'm Peter Hakze, born in 1954 in Heerenveen, Friesland, married, no children, since 1989 residing in Almere, in the center of NL, 16 miles east of Amsterdam. I'm very experienced (since 1985) in Dutch genealogy and since about a year very interested in Dutch emigrant families to the USA. See also my profile at FindAGrave via (f.i.) Hendrik Swets, FAG nr. 121397440. I think I can be of some help for you and you probably for me. But firstly my big compliments for your very profound and detailed investigations on Hendrik Swets. But this also brought immediately a question to me: why are you so interested in espially Hendrik Swets? Is one of you related in some way to him? And who of you created the Swets genealogy at We Relate? Henk? (And again: why?). You stated that Hendrik was born on 16 October 1828 in Bremerhaven (Stadt Bremerhaven, Bremen, Germany). I think you said that this is based on a Bevolkingsregister. Can you show me that Bevolkingsregister?

Next time I will tell you something more about the overlijdensakte (decease certificate), that was created in his deathplace Gorinchem and the next day, by a copy, in his residence place Heukelum. By the way, there is no grave(stone) (anymore probably) of Hendrik in the Heukelum General Cemetry. Rather peculiar, I think, that his aged widow Jannigje Gouwens went back to the USA after his death.

Hartelijke groet, Peter Hakze, Almere, NL p.hakze@upcmail.nl--PHakze 03:22, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I responded in Dutch,:-)

Thanks. My friend was able to photocopy the document at Calvin College, but we didn't connect when she was back in Maryland for Thanksgiving Break, so I'll try to meet up with her over Christmas. (And, to remind myself, I do have a connection in that my grandfather Keegstra's first cousin John Bosma married a granddaughter of Hendrik Swets.) (And, for identity security reasons, I prefer not to expose my given name on this forum.) --Pkeegstra 12:32, 10 December 2013 (UTC)