Family talk:William Williams and Ann Unknown (1)

Based on 1841 British Census, we estimate the following approximate years of birth:

• William Williams, b. ~1806
• Ann Maria Williams, b. ~1811

Log for 3 Mar 2009

In hopes of finding a birth record for Austen or Alfred in Hulme, today I searched the first item of FHL film #93601 (Hulme [Lancashire, England] parish register transcripts, abt. 1500-1800). I found the following entries of potential (but unlikely) interest:

• 1 May 1836. Bird[?] Williams[? from an abbreviation W^am^i] Married, Taylor aged 26 years. died of Con[vulsions?] at Back Queen St. Hulme.
• 24 July 1836 Elizabeth Dau of Wm + Elizabeth Williams aged 6 Weeks died 19th of decline at 14 [?]Porttown Deansgate.
• 16 Aug 1836 Hugh Williams, married, Carter aged 42 years died 12th of decline at John St. Gratruse[?] Farms[?] Hulme.
• 26 Aug 1836 John Williams Aged 67 years died 23rd of Paralytic stroke at Cross St. Hulme.
• 21 Sep 1836 Ann Ellison Dau of George + Elizabeth Williams aged 11 years who died 17th of fever in the brain at Jacksons building Hulme.
• 27 Nov 1836 Elizabeth late wife of John Williams Aged 38 years who died 25th of Dropsy at 2 Span Court M.

Random Notes

A possible connection:

Kent, Surrey, London: - Canterbury Marriage Licences, 1810-1837, Volume 35, fol 1 1812: Wm Williams of Maidstone wid & Martha Baker of E Farleigh wid, at M. 06 Feb 1812.

And another:

Kent, Surrey, London: - Canterbury Marriage Licences, 1810-1837, Volume 35, fol 192 1824: Wm Williams of Maidstone wid & Charlotte Greer of the s wid. 01 Jul 1824.

Boyd's Marriage Index 1538-1840: 1825 Williams William Jones Ann St Nicholas Cole Abbey London

Searching for Birth Records for Parents

Title Parish registers, 1754-1901

Authors Church of England. All Saints Church (Maidstone, Kent) (Main Author)

Notes Microfilm of original records in the possession of Kent County Archives, Maidstone, England. Kent County Archives no.: P241/1/1-14

Subjects England, Kent, Maidstone - Church records

Format Manuscript (On Film)

Language English

Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1992

Physical on 3 microfilm reels ; 35 mm.

Film Notes Note - Location [Film] Marriage banns, 1754-1799 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1866560 Item 6 ] Marriage banns, 1799-1833 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1866561 ] Marriage banns, 1833-1901 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1866562 Item 1 ] -- NO BIRTHS HERE

Title Bishop's transcripts for All Saints Church, Maidstone, 1564-1924

Authors Church of England. All Saints Church (Maidstone, Kent) (Main Author)

Notes Microreproduction of original records housed at the Canterbury Cathedral Archives, Canterbury, Kent. Some early pages damaged. The church was named All Saints. Canterbury Cathedral Archives no.: DCb/BT1/152; DCb/BT2/186

Subjects England, Kent, Maidstone - Church records

Format Manuscript (On Film)

Language English

Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1991-1992

Physical on 7 microfilm reels ; 35 mm.

Film Notes Note - Location [Film]

• Baptisms, marriages and burials, 1564-1633 (missing: 1568/9-1575/6, 1579/80-1582/3, 1584/5 1585/6, 1588/9-1592/3, 1596/7-1610/1, 1613/4, 1619/20, 1621/2, 1622/3, 1627/7). - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1736875 Item 5 ] -- TOO OLD
• Baptisms, marriages and burials, 1633-1770 (missing: 1634/5, 1640/1-1661/2). - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1736876 ] -- TOO OLD
• Baptisms, marriages and burials, 1770-1812 (missing: 1771/2, 1772/3). - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1736877 ]
• Baptisms, marriages and burials, 1813-1822. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1835447 Item 2 ] -- TOO NEW
• Baptisms, marriages and burials, 1822-1832. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1835448 ] -- TOO NEW
• Baptisms and burials, 1832-1844; Marriages, 1832-1837. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1835449 ] -- TOO NEW
• Baptisms, 1844-1857, 1860-1878, 1885-1886 1896-1924; Burials, 1844-1857, 1861-1863, 1865-1877. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1835450 ] -- TOO NEW

Parish register extracts, 1560-1812

Authors Church of England. All Saints Church (Maidstone, Kent) (Main Author)

Notes Microfilm of original manuscripts at the Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies, Canterbury. Contains some tombstone inscriptions, some extracts of wills, and a few pedigrees in addition to extracts of baptisms, marriages and burials. High reduction (42x) microfilm. Use high magnification reader. IN: Tyler collection.

Subjects England, Kent, Maidstone - Church records England, Kent, Maidstone - Cemeteries England, Kent, Maidstone - Probate records England, Kent, Maidstone - Genealogy

Format Manuscript (On Film)

Language English

Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1988

Physical on 2 microfilm reels ; 16 mm.

Film Notes Note - Location [Film]

• Parish register extracts, 1560-1812 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1544552 Item 17 ]
• Parish register extracts, 1560-1812 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1544552 Item 19 ]
• Extracts of baptism & burial records, 1662-1716 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1545093 Item 35 ] -- Wrong time period

IGI For William Williams

  	 Results for:   	William Williams, Birth/Christening, 1804 - 1808, Kent, England, British Isles

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International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 10 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. WILLIAM WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 29 JAN 1804 Saint Mary Cray, Kent, England 2. WILLIAM WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 10 MAR 1805 Birchington, Kent, England 3. WM. HEATHCOTT WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 01 APR 1805 Saint Mary The Virgin, Dover, Kent, England 4. WM. WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 20 AUG 1806 5. WILLIAM WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 JUL 1806 St Peter'S, Sandwich, Kent, England 6. WM. NEWLAND WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 20 AUG 1806 Saint Mary The Virgin, Dover, Kent, England 7. Wm Reeves Williams - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 07 FEB 1806 Dymchurch, Kent, England 8. WILLIAM WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 01 MAR 1807 Saint Peter And Saint Paul, Milton By Gravesend, Kent, England 9. William Shilling Williams - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 08 MAR 1807 Maidstone, Kent, England 10. WILLIAM WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 07 FEB 1808 Willesborough, Kent, England

Searching for Birth Records for Children [8 April 2009]

Yesterday and today I searched 1828-1842 in the parish register for St. George church in Hulme. The films were FHL#1545653 and FHL#2113127, the first of which is the original register, and the second of which is the copy kept at Manchester. It was a little while before I realized that they were showing me the exact same information, but oh well :-)

I looked at baptisms only, even though there were burials as well in the original register. I looked for Austen around 1830, Alfred around 1835, and Joseph around 1838. Looking for Alfred was sort of superfluous since we have a copy of his baptism record from Manchester already. Anyway, I found no sign of Austen nor Joseph. I thought it was a good idea to search beyond the actual years of birth since I saw some examples of baptisms occurring quite a few years after the child's birth.

A possible lead: IGI lists an Austin Williams born at "Saint Stephen, Salford, , Lancashire, England" on 17 Oct 1830. It's in the same county as Hulme and Manchester, and the parents are Wm Williams and Maria (Maria being a second given name of William Williams' wife). Who knows.

What should we do next?--JoshHansen 21:41, 8 April 2009 (EDT)