Family talk:John De Lacy and Alice FitzRoger (1)
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Implausible children [1 December 2020]

If John was born in 1150 and died in 1183, then it is not plausible for him to be the father of Robert and Johanna born a few years after his death. And it is unlikely that Helen was born years before their parents married. --Jhamstra 13:27, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

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