Family:Charles Hay and Rebecca Robinson (1)

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Descendants of Charles Hays

Generation No. 1

1. CHARLES2 HAYS (UNKNOWN1) was born Bet. 1725 - 1743, and died Abt. 1792 in Washington County, Tennessee. He married REBECCA ROBINSON, daughter of JOHN ROBINSON and SARAH ???. She was born Bet. 1725 - 1745, and died 1797 in Greene County, Tennessee.

Notes for CHARLES HAYS: Subj: Rebecca Robinson(?) Hay Date: 2/14/99 10:42:12 AM Pacific Standard Time From: ce27337@ancestry.com (Elizabeth Edwards) To: Delijim@aol.com

I think we have a match to your post at Greene Co. TN

queries. Re: Robinson, Hay et al. Re: Rebecca Robinson md. a Mr. Hay. I have the will of Charles Hay, wife Rebecca, last name unk. Such will being made Dec. 23, 1792 in Washington Co. TN (parts became Greene Co.) The will names his wife's sisters as Sarah Robison(Robinson), an unnamed sister who married a Nelson and had a son Charles H. Nelson. See will of Charles Hay below.

Elizabeth Edwards Transcript of photocopy of Charles Hay Will from Washington County, TN Deeds & Wills at TN State Archives p. 27-29 Done 1990 by C. E. Edwards at Nashville, TN

Source: Washington Co. Tennessee Deeds, 1775-1800 by Loraine Rae. TN State Library and Archives. pg. 41- 10/24/1782 on pg. 480-4: NC to Shedrick/Shererick Morris/Moris: (1) #217299 acs. on a branch of Lick Creek "including Morrisses improvement and joining Bonds old claim." Adjoining CHARLES HAYS, Henery Cross.

WILL OF CHARLES HAY

In the name of God, Amen. The 23rd day of December 1792.

I CHARLES HAY of Washington County in the ceded Territory South West of the Ohio River, being weak and infirm in body, calling to mind the mortality of my body, being sound in my understanding mind and memory do make and ordain this my last will and testament in writing. that is to say, principally and first of all, I commit my soul to the hand of the almighty God who gave it. looking for the pardon of my sins and acceptance of Jesus Christ my Redeemer and a resurrection to eternal life by his grace and power and my body I commit to the earth to be buried in a decent Christian manner at the desecreation of my executors hereafter named and as for such worldly estate and goods as the Lord has given me in this world and as are now at my decease, disposal. I give bequeath and dispose of the whole in the following manner.

First my will and desire is that all my just and lawful debts be justly and lawfully paid and discharged. next I give and bequeath to my loving wife REBECCA HAY the feather bed on which I and she usually lies with cover or quilt which we lie under and one patched quilt or cover for summer covering with the sheets and bolster belonging to the said bed with her saddle and the following books; Viz. her Bible, Boston fourfold State of man, Erskins Gospel Sonnets, a book entitled a dead faith anatomized with all her wearing clothing of every kind, all which aforesaid articles. She shall not be obliged to bring to appraisement or render as there is sufficient besides to pay just debts and particular legacies. Item --- I give and bequeath to my nephew CHARLES GREEN my Dictionary with an old book of Arithmetic. Item---I give and bequeath to my nephew DAVID GREEN my bible. Item - -- I give and bequeath to my nephew CHARLES HATCHER the second volume of Baxter Philosophical enquiry into the Nature of the human soul. Item --- I give and bequeath to my sister HULDA GREER. the fourth column of Dr. Doddridge family expository. Item --- I give and bequeath to my sister SARAH HATCHER, daughter ANNA HATCHER the second column of Dr. Doddridge's family Expositor after my wife's decease. Item --- I give and bequeath to CHARLES H. NELSON, my wife's sisters son to the full value of or Ten Dollars to be laid out on learning him to read and write and the like and not to be put to any other use while he is in his minority. Item --- I give and bequeath to my brother REUBEN HAY my wearing clothes, Viz.---all the coats, jackets and breeches that are now made up with my cloak and wollen stockings with one surtoit coat of homemade cloth or the cloth to make, if it is not made up before my decease as also what saddle tools I have with my howel for making of saddle trees. Item --- I give to my wifes sister SARAH ROBISON one new bible or money to buy her one. Item---as far as the rest and remainder of my goods and chattels. I give and bequeath and dispose of them in manner following, that is to say I give and bequeath one third part thereof to my wife for ever also the second volume of Doddridges family expositor during her life and after her decease it shall belong to ANNA HATCHER aforesaid. Item---I give and bequeath the remainder of all my moveable goods and chattels as well as some part of the price of my land under such reserves and restrictions as shall be laid down and mentioned hereafter. After my wife third I give and bequeath one fifth part of the remainder to my sister HULDA GREER, daughter SARAH GREER all the remainder of the goods and chattels to be equally divided between my sister HULDA GREER'S youngest daughter MARY GREER and JAMESTON HATCHER the youngest daughters, two SARAH and REBECCA HATCHER. As for the plantation or tract of land containing one hundred and seventy three acres on which I now dwell. My wife shall have and keep possession of the whole of it with all the rents and proffits of the same during her life without molestation. In consideration for which she shall keep the fences in as good repair as she gets them and shall take care that the fruit trees are not destroyed. after my wifes decease the whole of the land and plantation of one hundred and seventy three acres shall be set to public vender and sold by one or more of my executors giving one year credit upon good sufficient Bond and Bail given by the Buyers.

If required can being taken to give timely notice before the day of the sale and the money P sales or price of P. land after lawful expenses and discharged shall be divided as follows Viz. one fifth part thereof to CHARLES GREER aforesaid mentioned and one third part of the remainder to DAVID GREER afore mentioned. My sisters sons and one half of the remainder to HARRIS HATCHER, JAMESTON HATCHER son and the remainder to be equally divided between CHARLES HATCHER and JAMES HATCHER sons to JAMESTON HATCHER as to the reserve mentioned above. As then was about one hundred and ninety five Dollars of the estate of JAMES GREEER Dec'd part out to interest about the 18th of May one thousand seven hundred and seventy nine, not without the approtation of the widow of the dec's and when I was in to take up the money then was acts of assembly made from time to time that sheltered Debtors from paying old Debts, which with my bodily infirmities has put and kept it out of my power to reserve it at all now if she refuses to take a power to lift it for themselves which has been offered to some of my children, but insists to have it paid out of my estate, the whole of it shall be deducted out of the respective legacies left to her four children. I do hereby constitute make and ordain my wife REBECCA HAY with Capt. JAMES SCOTT and NATHANIEL DAVIS Sr. Executrix and Executor of this my last will and testament and I do hereby revoke disanul and make void all former wills, testaments, Legacies or bequeaths heretofore made or bequeathed, asknowledging and ratifying and confirming this and no other to be my last will and testament. In witness whereof I have set my hand and seal the day and year above written. Charles Hay (seal) Witnesses: Henry M. Mullen

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E-mail communication from Nov. 2004:

Subj: Charles Hay......... Date: 11/29/2004 10:41:31 AM Pacific Standard Time From: nelhatch@hills.net To: delijim@aol.com Sent from the Internet (Details)

HATCHER website: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/faq.htm HATCHER DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hatDNA.htm Researching: Cook, Hall, Hatcher, Miller, Shepherd, Timberman "Genealogy without Documentation is Nothing" - Paul Drake

Hi Jim,

Found your msg on Charles on Genforum from 12-2003 and am impressed that great minds think alike. I, too, suspect that Charles came out of AugustaCo, VA but with not much more than bits and pieces from the "Chalkley's Chronicles." See Charles on our site at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~wmhatch1

But my interest in the family of Charles goes to Jameston Hatcher/Sarah Hay and recent serious problems concerning the "children" of Jameston and Sarah. Their oldest child was believed to be John Hatcher bn c1767 (md Eve Morris). When younger brother Charles Hatcher (who had no kids) died in AR, several of John's descendants inherited. So far, so good.

Then we got the DNA results back from 4 descendants of John/Eve and they did not match the other results from other descendants of the Hatcher family. So John Hatcher wasn't a Hatcher by birth and wasn't the son of Jameston. With no direction to guide us, this poor family lay in limbo until just recently when we rec'd word that John matched the results of a descendant of Obediah Bolding out of GreenvilleCo, SC. Now that got my attention since I know both Charles Hay and Jameston were in the Long Cane/Greenville area in 1772 when both were involved in a land transaction (see Jameston Hatcher's page on WC) with James and Hannah Robinson. There was a ref in Chalkley's to a James and Hannah Robinson being in AugustaCo 1769 and I'd be quite sure they were the same couple found in SC in 1772.

But to shorten up this tale of woe, we now believe that Sarah Hay was first married to an unknown Bolling/Bolding or Bourland (and that at least John and perhaps 2 other kids took the Hatcher name of step-daddy Jameston). And there were Bourlands coming out of the woodwork in AugustaCo.

The biggest problem, though, is with the god-awful misspellings of these names and the DNA results for these B families. There are 15 email lists for the various spellings, at least 6 different "families" identified in the "Bolling" DNA results and nobody knows for sure who they are - a Bolling, Bolding, Bourland, etc. And that holds true for Obediah Bolding and his alleged descendants who all seem to believe (but can't prove) that his family came out of HenryCo, VA. Then toss in the book written by a Bolding who claims descent from Pocahontas and the fun really begins with the wannabes trying to hook up, taking DNA tests, being disappointed, and now back to the drawing board trying to figure out who they really are............ :-(

I do think that Charles had another brother, Henry, who we found in the following record:

Ninety Six District, South Carolina Journal of the Court of Ordinary Inventory Book, Will Book 1781-1896 By Brent H. Holcomb, G.R.S., 1978. Page 36.

Page 56-7. A List & Acct of the Sales of the Estate of John Montgomery, Deceased, made on or about the 25th of February 1777 and Certified & returned to this office the 12th of March 1783 by James Finley Executor, in old Currency.

Purchasers: Andrew English, Wm Bob [Babb?], Wm Strain, HENERY HAY, CHARLES HAY, John Jonston, Hugh Reed, John McCalpin, Robert Selfrige, John Miller, John Pickens, Wm. Bell, Demsey Tyner, Thos. Bell, Joseph Pickins, Robt Young, Andrew Pickens, Shedrak Stevens, THOS. HATCHER, Aron Steel, Henry Peycock, George Alexander, John Strain, Thos Cannon, Joel Theaker, JOAB [Jameston] HATCHER, Thos Coil, Joseph Pickins, Agness Mountgomery, Jas Filespey, Wm Lislly, George Willison, John McComb, Andrew Moat, Doctor Russell, Doctor Martin, James Seawright, Andrew Miller. Total L 634 17 6. Examined & Certified by Pat: Calhoun, Surrogate.

I have a bit more info on Henry Hay on his WC page where I've attached him (with reservations) as a brother of Charles.

If any of this makes sense to you or compares favorably to your current picture of this Hay family, would love to hear from you.

Actually your name seems to be familiar and it may be that we've talked before sometime in the distant past.

Oops! One question - did Jennet Robinson (from Rebecca's will) marry a Nelson or Wilson? Did Mary marry a Hutson or a Huston? My abstract shows Nelson and Hutson. (Note: I show she married Nelson)

Cheers, Nel Hatcher

Notes for REBECCA ROBINSON: Will of Rebecca Hay, 13 March, 1797 - Greene County, Tennessee Brother, John Robinson; John's oldest son, Alexander and second son, John Children of sister Jennet Wilson, dec'd, second son, David and fourth son, John. Sister Hannah Robinson, Hannah's eldest daughter Sarah, and second eldest, Hannah Sister Mary Huston Rachel Kerr, d/o James Kerr, my brother in law (note: Rebecca's sister, Isabella that married James Kerr, must have died before her will was written) Dear Friend Hannah Kerr, tin kettle (note: this was Hannah Edmondson, daughter of Moses, m. James Kerr) Dear Sister Sarah Robinson Sarah Kerr, eldest daughter to James Kerr, furn and chest Rebecca Robinson, eldest daughter of my brother John, clothes Sarah Robinson, second daughter to my Brother John Sarah Kerr, aforementioned Reuben Hay Nelson, son of Jennet David and Mitchell Robinson, brother John's youngest sons Rebecca Hay - Nelson and Sarah - Robinson Nelson, youngest daughters of my sister Jennet John Robinson, my sister Hannah's second son Isabel Kerr, third daughter to James Kerr Executors: James Kerr, Samuel Robinson