Person talk:James Brookman (15)

St John Horsleydown [19 July 2013]

Hello - well done on a nice discursive page, but I'm afraid I think you've mis-read James's burial record. I think it gives his abode as "St Johns Horsleydown, Surrey". St John Horsleydown was a parish in the county of Surrey but within the urban area of London. I therefore don't think it implies anything about inns. Regards, RichardK--RichardK 14:35, 17 July 2013 (EDT)

Thanks Richard, that makes sense. From everything else I thought my ideas might be wrong and I have learnt that while information on certificates can be misleading but if I assume they are wrong then I am likely to miss something. Jeffrey

Birth of James Brookman [21 September 2013]

1841 census - 7 June 1841, ages were rounded down to a 5 so someone who was 28 could have been recorded as being 25. Sometimes they were rounded up.

1851 census - 30 March 1851, rounding was not done in this census, recorded as 38 so a birth year of either 1812 if birthday after census or 1813 if before.

James' Burial 3 February 1861 at 48 years old makes birth year either 1812 if birthday after death or 1813 if before.

Assuming that my guess of Janet Brookman is a daughter of Daniel and Miriam, she was baptised 23 May 1813, subtract 10 - 12 months is May to July 1812.

Daniel and Miriam marry on 10 February 1811, plus 9 to 12 months is November 1811 - February 1812.

Based on this information which is open to error, if James was born in 1812 it was:

  • Prior to July 1812 (9 months later his potential sister was born).
  • After 3 February 1812 (based off his death).
  • After 30 March 1812 (based off 1851 census)

Placing his birth in April, May or June of 1812.

This is 14 - 16 months after his parents married which seems a little unusual for an obviously fertile couple in a time period without contraceptives. However if we assume James was born in May or June 1812;

  • It is possible that his parents had another child between June and August 1811 which would indicate that they were married when Miriam was about 3 months pregnant.
  • With modern records and science we also know that about 15% of fetuses do not make it to term and this loss usually occurs in the first trimester, often being the first pregnancy for a couple. Based on this, from February 1811 add 3 - 5 months and then add 9 months it would be March, April or May 1812 before their first pregnancy which resulted in a baby.

Based on a lot of assumptions which could prove to be incorrect, I suggest that James Brookman was born around April or May 1812.--JeffreyRLehrer 20:56, 20 September 2013 (UTC)