Person:Paul Froman (2)

Tracing the History of the Descendants of Paul Froman Sr and Elizabeth Hite [[1]]

Proven to have died in 1799 in Nelson County, Kentucky.

Never lived in Spencer County and did not die there in 1820!

== John Paul Froman - aka Paul II, aka Paul Jr. was born 16 Oct 1734 in Frederick County, Virginia, and was baptized with his sister on 16 May 1735 by the Rev John Casper Stover, Ludwig Stephan was witness/sponsor. He is listed 11 Dec 1755 and 24 Jul 1758 on the list of voters in Frederick County, Virginia. Evidence supports that Paul Jr married Mary McCarty in mid to late 1750s. On 5 Nov 1762, Paul Froman Jr and wife Mary sue Jost Miller in Frederick County, Virginia. Frederick Order Book 10, page 363 and 370. On 7 Jun 1763 Paul is witness with his brother Jacob Froman Sr on the deed for Darby and Hannah McCarty, his in-laws Frederick County Deed Book 8 page 427-428. Paul Froman Jr. found financial problems earlier on 4 Mar 1763 Andrew Cochrane brings a lawsuit against him for some Merchants in Glasgow for a £300 debt on a debt owed form Jan 1755, Frederick County Order Book 11 page 4. On 7 May Jacob Bowman brings a lawsuit for against a debt incurred 19 Sep 1759, and George Bowman brings a lawsuit for a debt owed from 9 Nov 1760; his father Paul Froman Sr assist him with this debt. Frederick County Court Book 11 page 182. The tradition of Mary Cartmell being Paul’s wife found it’s origin in T.K. Cartmell book “Shenandoah Valley Pioneers and Their Descendants”, which has been the most often-quoted source claiming that Paul Froman Jr.'s wife was Mary Cartmell. While there is valuable information in this book, there is no substantiating evidence for this. T.K. Cartmell did not even give Mary as a first name, but rather listed Paul’s wife as Miss Cartmell, and once again he did not cite any verifiable documentation to prove this was so (page 263). In the McCarty family tree, there are several Isaac Froman McCartys. The earliest of them was born 1770s, which also indicates some sort of familial tie. The McCartys had a long-standing tradition of using family names as middle names. In the "Portrait and Biographical Album of DeWitt and Piatt Counties Ill, published 1891 by Chapman Bros., Chicago, Ill pages 901-902 (a source which, interestingly pre-dates the T.K. Cartmell book by approximately ten years) there is the biography of John S. Brown which states that Mary McCarty was his great-grandmother and wife of Paul Froman Jr. This document can be viewed by going to the GENWEB site for Illinois. The following excerpt from that source gives the lineage: John S. Brown was born April 20, 1830, near Taylorsville, Spencer County, Kentucky, to Henry K. and Christena (Froman) Brown, natives respectively of Nelson and Spencer Counties, Kentucky. They spent their entire lives in the State of their nativity." . . . "The paternal grandfather of our subject was John L. Brown, who was born at Brownsville, Pennsylvania. He married Jemima Cotton "and finally, "The mother of our subject is a daughter of John Froman, who was a son of Paul Froman Jr. The latter was born in Pennsylvania, and married Mary McCarty. John Froman was born and reared in Pennsylvania, and died in Spencer County, Kentucky. Mr. John S. Brown would have been in his sixties when this document was printed, young enough to be able to correctly recollect his grandparents and great-grandparents' names or to have access to other family members who could help clarify any questions. I have double-checked all of the lineage information in the John S. Brown biography and it is all verifiably correct. Unfortunately, even the "DAR Patriot Index" (1966) erroneously names Mary Cartmell as John Paul Froman Jr.'s wife, because someone years ago submitted it that way. Luckily, since DAR membership is contingent on the male line for service in the Revolutionary War, the Mary McCarty change would not affect anyone's membership. It might be noted however, that Mary's brother, Jonathan, was in the Shenandoah Militia and also served as a captain in the Kentucky Militia, Nelson County, 27th Regiment during the Revolutionary War. By 1769, he is living in what is now Pennsylvania, in 1773 he is found on the Bedford County, Pennsylvania tax list. Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck’s book “Virginia’s Colonial Soldiers” on page a 145 and 150, Paul Froman severed as a captain in Lord Dunmore War – 1774 with his son Solomon Froman, he is among those that submitted claims for Public Service Claims of West Augusta. There are several entries in the Minute of Court at Fort Dunmore, VA (Pittsburg, PA) between 1774 to 1775, in them he listed as a Captain and is operating a grist mill on Chartiers Creek. There are forty-seven entries in the Minutes of Court of Yohogania County, VA (Washington County, PA) between 1777 to 1779 for the Fromans; he petitions the court to build a water mill on Mingo Creek; he sales land to Dorsey Pentecost and to Joseph Beckett. On 24 May 1779 in the Minutes of Court of Yohogania County, VA, Paul Froman Jr grants his power attorney to John McGee, which was witness by Isaac Cox and Benjamín Vannater; this established that there was a close relationship with the McGees before arriving in Kentucky. [[2]]

He and his son Isaac in the spring of 1779, are part of expedition that enters Kentucky. Paul Froman has several land entries, one of these entries is a 400-acre entry on Fromans Creek on 10 Feb 1780, which serves as his primary residence until his death. On 23 Aug 1780 Paul Froman Jr and son Isaac sign a Petition to the Continental Congress – “The Petition of a number of the true and loyal subjects of the United States of America at Large, most humbly Sheweth. That your Petitioners having heretofore been Inhabiters of the different States of America since the commencement of the contest with Great Britain for the common cause of Liberty; have ventured their lives in a wild uncultivated part of the Continent on the Western Water of Ohio called by the general name of Kentucky”. The George Rogers Clark Papers 1781-1784, Virginia Series Vol IV. – Journal of Western Commissioners, states on pages, 354-355 “that the Garrison at the Falls is like to suffer for the want of salt, Directed the Secretary to give Major George Walls an order to Mr. Paul Froman for all the public kettles and pans in his possession for the purpose of making salt.” Later on, page 87 in a letter to Joseph Lindsay 6 Aug 1782 – Fort Nelson – it states that “Captain Froman is with me, seems desirous that the greatest justice shall be done the State respecting the slat pans, consequently, it would be well to settle that affair with him – to let him go on as usual - I am Sir, Your obedient servant G. R. Clark”. While living in Kentucky, from 1785 to 1787 Paul is still listed as a land owner in Washington County, Pennsylvania.

Like his brother Jacob Froman Sr, I have seen several dates and places of death. Paul’s date and location also wrong on the DAR site. DAR has Paul Froman Jr dying post Sep 29, 1807 and many on Ancestry have 1820; there are a few property transactions that do take place after his death, but they do not give the best estimate of his death.  I have found by searching the un-index Nelson County Court Docket, that there were several court cases brought against Paul Froman Jr.  Nelson County Circuit Docket May 1799, page 128 - James Porter vs Paul Froman - "It being suggested to the court that the defendant hath departed this life, it is therefore ordered that this suit be abated."  Nelson County Circuit Court Docket Sept 1799, page 141 John Clark vs Paul Froman - "It being suggest to the court that the Defendants severally have departed that these suits be abated"   In Nelson County Circuit Court on July 1800, John Clark reopened "revive" the above case against the heirs of Paul Froman.  I found John Clark vs Paul Froman, Nelson County Orders Book B page 238, 24 July 1800, index under Clark.    John Clark Complainant against Paul Froman Defendant in Chancery:  

There were other cases that had the same language, all of them in Nelson County, KY Michael Troutman vs Paul Froman 1804 Nelson County and William Sands vs heirs of Paul Froman 15 Mar 1810 - Harrison County, Indiana. The 1820 date and the Spencer, Kentucky found in SAR/DAR is based off no documented proof. Additionally, on the 28 May 1799 marriage bond for his daughter Mary "Polly “Froman to James Bruce, it lists her father Paul as deceased, the bond is signed by brothers Jacob and John. Thirdly, Paul Froman is not found on any tax list after 1799. Fourthly, Paul Froman, never lived in Spencer County, because there was no Spencer County for another 25 years, and Paul Froman’s home is located in north central part of the Nelson county between Froman’s Creek and Cox’s Creek, nowhere near what would become Spencer County.

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1. ↑ ^1.0 1.1 Stoever, John Casper, and Elizabeth P. (Elizabeth Petty) Bentley. Early Lutheran baptisms and marriages in southeastern Pennsylvania: the records of Rev. John Casper Stoever from 1730 to 1779. (Baltimore [Maryland]: Genealogical Pub. Co., c1982, 1998)
   pg. 9.

   Son of Paul Fromman:
   Froman, John Paul, b. Oct. 16, 1734; bap. May 16, 1735.
   Sponsor, Ludtwig Stephan

2. ↑ Nelson County Court Orders Book, in Nelson County Court
   Book B page 238, 24 July 1800.

   . Nelson County Circuit Docket May 1799, page 128 - James Porter vs Paul Froman - "It being suggested to the court that the defendant hath departed this life, it is therefore ordered that this suit be abated." Nelson County Circuit Court Docket Sept 1799, page 141 John Clark vs Paul Froman - "It being suggest to the court that the Defendants severally have departed that these suits be abated" In Nelson County Circuit Court on July 1800, John Clark reopened "revive" the above case against the heirs of Paul Froman. I found John Clark vs Paul Froman, Nelson County Orders Book B page 238, 24 July 1800, index under Clark. John Clark Complainant against Paul Froman Defendant in Chancery: