Hello and welcome to WeRelate. Thanks for all your participating. If you have any comments and suggestions please email me. We are still in beta and are a all volunteers so if you would like to see something different or you have some insight please share it. --sq 15:49, 6 September 2006 (MDT)
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Hello Taylor,
Thanks for your input. I do appreciate any that I receive.
I am still learning wiki's and Dutch genealogy.
Debbie Freeman--DFree 17:43, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
Hi Taylor, Thanks so much for helping with the places. What is the character that looks like a box in the title of some of the places in St. Petersburg, Russia?--Beth 07:49, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
Taylor,
Please have a look at the place: Campbell, Albemarle, Virginia, etc. There is no such place -- apparently two counties have been combined in some strange way. What's worse is a place I created -- Flat Creek Farm -- has been attached to this mythical place. Flat Creek Farm was in Campbell County, Virginia and that is how I thought I set it up. I even included the Lat/Long information.
What's going on here?
Mary--Mstewart 17:21, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
Hi Mary,
This is Beth not Taylor. Campbell is a city in Albemarle County, Virginia. When you setup Flat Creek Farm you omitted the country, United States. I have renamed your page so now it is linked correctly. Do you still see a Flat Creek Farm linked to Campbell in Albermarle County? --Beth 18:35, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
Hi Beth,
Um, Campbell is not exactly a city in Albemarle, more like a crossroad. It doesn't even have it's own zip code ;-).
The real issue for me is how did a place I set up in Campbell County, Virginia get moved to a different county whether or not I left out the United States part? This does not inspire confidence.
Mary--Mstewart 22:57, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
Mary,
You setup a page for Campbell, Virginia. In December 4, 2006 a bot redid the sources according to a new format. This bot redirected a page named Campbell, Virginia to Campbell, Albermarle, Virginia, United States. So when you created the page Campbell, Virginia; it was automatically redirected to Campbell, Albermarle, Virginia, United States. If you had named the page Flat Creek Farm, Campbell, Virginia, United States; it would have gone to the correct page. Now the page is fixed. Thanks for letting us know about the problem.--Beth 01:20, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
Beth,
The explanation causes me even more concern.
I created the place Flat Creek Farm 4 July 2008, not in Dec 2006, I didn't find this site until last week. I had nothing to do with creating the Campbell County, Virginia page
The field equivalents for city, county and state were filled. I omitted the country equivalent. I find it very disturbing that the bot that changed what I created to a completely different city and county. The bot must be faulty, especially when Lat/Long information was included and identified the place precisely. Also, if I read the explanation correctly, it should have been redirected to the Campbell County, Virginia page in order to add the name of the country since that was the only thing missing.
One more thing, the farm now appears on the county page. Will every place created in the county get listed on the county page? My Mother's family has lived in and around Lynchburg since the 1730s and the county page would become extremely cluttered if I create pages for each of their homes and other significant sites.
I like the feature that allows Google maps to be embedded but I see the potential for an enormous mess if every place is listed on the next higher page.
Mary--Mstewart 08:04, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
Sorry about the confusion. A little history will help explain the problem.
So when you created "Flat Creek Farm, Campbell, Virginia", and there was a place titled "Campbell, Virginia" that redirected to "Campbell, Albemarle, Virginia, United States", the system thought that you were creating a place inside the inhabited place of "Campbell, Albemarle, Virginia, United States". A bot didn't edit your page; it was because of the old "Campbell, Virginia" place page that your page was thought to be located inside "Campbell, Albermarle, Virginia, United States".
Once we get rid of these "City, State" places later this Summer this won't be a problem, but until then it will help to remember to put "United States" at the end of the Place page titles for US places. Then they won't be thought to be located in these faulty "City, State" places.
If Place:Campbell, Albemarle, Virginia, United States isn't a real place (it wouldn't be the first time that Getty included a place that wasn't really a place), please edit it and add {{Template:Speedy Delete}} to the Text box. That will notify someone to delete the page.
Every place page located in the county will be listed as a contained place on the county page. The Place pages aren't really meant to contain places for every home. They're more for things like cities, counties, and perhaps even cemeteries. Later this year I'll create a way for people to display specific places like homes and farms on a map without creating Place pages for them.--Dallan 12:51, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
Thank you, Dallan. Your explanation is helpful. Mary--Mstewart 13:56, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
The standard for the US is to list places according to where they are in modern times, because that's what the FHLC does. But we do have mechanisms in place to handle historic relationships as well. There are three things you can do for places that change their hierarchy over time:
The first thing is the most important thing to do, but the other two are also useful. I haven't done very many of the first and third things (I have listed a lot of parent/child county relationships) simply because it's such a big job. Also, if you know of extinct counties that we don't have, please add them.
Hi Taylor, I see you started on Porto, I followed up on the places where it appeared you had trouble. A note on "Type", The Portugese word for Parish is Paroquia and for town is Freguesia, sometimes trnslated as Civil Parish. I have been using the word Freguesia unless the town is divided administratively,then I use Parish. That may not be totaly consistant, but that is the nomenclature I am using. I had trouble finding a list of Freguesias in Felgueiras, but finally found one at [[1]] I did the first 6 entries, but will leave it for you to continue and I will go back to Vila Real.--Scot 13:36, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
