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Suggestion about Place Names

Welcome, Tim!

I'm Mary, one of the WeRelate administrators. I have a suggestion for formatting place names, such as "Rochester, now Accord, NY" that appear in your Person and Family pages. This place name can be entered or edited as "Accord, Ulster, New York, United States|Rochester (now Accord), Ulster, New York, United States". The page will show the second half, but direct to the first half if someone wants more information about the present-day place and clicks the link. There is some debate about how to best express the name of a place that has changed, but it is probably best to either use the place name as it was at the time the event happened (in this case, Rochester), or to express it along the lines of "Rochester (now Accord)."

Mary--Kittydoc 21:51, 5 July 2007 (MDT)

Tim, your response on my discussion page is fine and most likely to be read by the recipient user that way.

Regarding the comments on your user page, I believe the Y in the death field indicates "yes," that the person is deceased, not "young," but that would be best clarified by a post to the Watercooler page.


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GEDCOM problems

Hi Tim,

I saw the notes you had left on your user page. Thank-you for pointing out these issues. I'll take a look at them on Monday to see what I can figure out. Can you give me an example page with "piped links don't work right in boxes on research pages & in descriptions"? Thanks--Dallan 20:00, 7 July 2007 (MDT)

  • Dallan, These are all pretty minor issues. Look at my "New York research" user page and see where I have tried putting some places in with piped links. I've also tried in the description field. Doesn't work, except when I put in "[[ ]]" like in Wikipedia, it returns a red link. Again not a major issue, just experimenting.
That looks like an easy fix. I'm in the middle of a big change so I can't fix it right away, but expect it to be fixed in a couple of weeks.
  • As you can see I've jumped in with both feet. Figure that's the best way to really understand. Like many others, I have tons of data I have collected over the years, but perhaps unlike many others, I have a real appreciation of the value of the Wiki environment for this kind of work. So I'm doing my best to learn your application. Recognizing the huge effort you are putting into it, and the brief experience I have, I hesitate to offer comment, especially general ones. However, I have to say my major frustration falls into three areas, 1) the immense amount of labor needed to get data cleaned up after the GEDCOM load, 2) the lack of editing and data analysis tools, ex. how do I find duplicate records?, 3) difficulty in just looking up and reporting on existing data. On the last point, the charts are pretty nice, but are real hard to move around on without starting over, the maps seem to put places in the wrong location, and for the life of me I can't figure out how to use FTE.
Thanks for the feedback. Each point is worth addressing separately:
(1) Yes, we need to figure out why we're changing the data. That shouldn't be happening. Regarding links to Sources, I'll add something so that if your source title starts with "Source:" or "MySource:", then rather than creating a new MySource we'll assume that you want to link to an existing source. I'll see if we can get that in the next couple of weeks. Regarding place matching, our place matching needs to be better. I looked at three places that didn't match: Kaatsbaan, NY (which we don't have in our database - you could add it if you wanted), Catskill, NY (which doesn't get matched automatically because there's a Catskill and a Catskill village and the system doesn't know which one to choose), and Kingston, NY (which doesn't get matched automatically because there's also a Kingston town). Based upon this, it looks like I should modify the place matching algorithm to match the shorter title if there is more than one. I'll do this as well in the next couple of weeks.
(2) I wouldn't worry about this until Fall. Come Fall we should have match-merge functionality working. The system will automatically find probably-matching pages and notify you and the other contributor, and there will be a merge screen showing both pages side-by-side where you can select what information to use from either page for the merged page.
(3) Can you tell me more what you mean by "difficulty in looking up and reporting on existing data"? The problem with the maps is we're using different colored pins for different kinds of events, and its possible for multiple pins to point to the same town. But we don't want the pins to overlap, so we "offset" the pins a bit so you can see them. However, I think the cure is worse than the disease in this case, and we'd be better off putting all events for a particular town in a single pin so that we don't have to offset it. I plan to redo the maps in Aug/Sept. We're working on a tutorial for the FTE. Expect that to be out before Aug 15.
  • Frankly, I am also curious what kind of resources are behind this. Given the amount of work on my part needed to build this, I wonder how lasting the project will be. How long can you stand dealing with people like me? Are you the only technical person working on it? Is the project putting food on your dinner table, or is just a hobby, like for me? Probably mostly none of my business, but just wondering.
Nathan Powell works part-time on GEDCOM upload, but he's the only technical person outside of myself. I'm retired, so this is my (full-time) hobby. The site doesn't cost very much to operate, and it gives Solveig and I a great deal of satisfaction. We get money from donations, and sometime around the end of the year, once we get out of beta and have these usability issues ironed out, we'll start placing ads on the site to get some additional income.
  • So I figure if I have anything that seems intelligent to say I will put it somewhere. If you would prefer it elsewhere than my user page, please so advise. Please also always know I appreciate the enormous amount of work needed to get something like this right, and all of my comments are meant to be helpful, not to tear anything down.
  • Keep up the good work. stilltim 20:42, 7 July 2007 (MDT)
Sure! Thanks again for your comments. They're really appreciated. Two things that we don't have, which we'd have if this were a commercial venture, are a tester and a product manager to find bugs and conduct user studies to figure out what to build. So we really rely upon users to let us know how the website is (or isn't) working.--Dallan 13:55, 9 July 2007 (MDT)

wow!

You have sure created a lot of pages! I'm impressed. How many do you think you will have when you're done? --sq 22:45, 25 July 2007 (MDT)

I'm not sure what "done" means. I have enough data to keep adding like this for years. However, I will get tired and distracted onto other things for periods of time. I am just trying to put your software through its paces to find the features and problems...and am finding both. My main concern though is what happens when you and Dallan get tired and move onto other things yourselves. Does all this become orphaned? stilltim 04:53, 26 July 2007 (MDT)
That's why we partnered with Allen County Library. --sq 20:02, 26 July 2007 (MDT)
Does that mean they have a commitment to carrying this on and preserving this data in your absence? stilltim 20:05, 26 July 2007 (MDT)
We haven't talked about a hosting commitment yet because it hasn't seemed necessary - we love working on the site. But Allen County Public Library is very committed to the site in a general sense and is dedicating personnel resources to it for example. I believe that if we stopped operating it for some reason (we both died for example), that they would host it. Another thing that we haven't talked about yet is our plan to start posting ads on the site (don't worry - genealogy ads only). The ads should cover hosting costs.--Dallan 21:38, 26 July 2007 (MDT)

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Samuel Kellogg and Sarah Root Families [18 April 2008]

I've been running about the werelate data base, merging families when appropriate. I've come across Family:Samuel Kellogg and Sarah Root (1) and Family:Samuel Kellogg and Sarah Root (4). These may or may not be separate families. Perhaps you might like to investigate the question?--Jrm03063 08:33, 18 April 2008 (EDT)


Do not remove FMG links please [15 May 2008]

Tim, please do not remove the FMG links from any of the royal or noble peerage when you're making some changes to each individual ancestor. I'm aware of the issues and problems regarding the Medieval Lands by Charles Cawley, however, these data provides important clues about these ancestors and their descendants, regardless of some errors. These are considered as works in progress, not the finalized versions.

Please retain these FMG links as references.

Thank you.

RSUndehul--RSUndehul 23:34, 14 May 2008 (EDT)


Okay, thought you were familiar with the issue with FMG's Medieval Lands by Charles Cawley. It's a long and complicated explanation, which may be founded in the Google medieval genealogy discussion boards. I disagreed with those who think Cawley's MedLands as not credible and scholastic, whereas I considered MedLands to be full of important clues and references that which can be improvised and corrected over the time (as Cawley has demonstrated his willingness to improve his huge project with frequent updates, corrections and additions).

As you're going through royal/noble ancestors, please be sure not to omit any FMG link or any other referential link you have come across. Much thanks.--RSUndehul 16:13, 15 May 2008 (EDT)


Immigrant [12 November 2008]

what's the matter with "He is an immigrant"--Jimlatimer 19:43, 11 November 2008 (EST)


Nothing, I think the simple statement is just better and more consistent in the main table with a date. It could be included in a larger narrative if there was one. Also it is best applied to the adults who emigrated, not really young children. I can't remember who I took it off, but its nice to see someone's watching. stilltim 19:52, 11 November 2008 (EST)



"My name is Tim Westbrook. I am a contributor to Wikipedia under the same name, and am "experimenting" with this application to post genealogical data." ------- What's the matter with others experimenting???--Jimlatimer 23:17, 11 November 2008 (EST)


Barrows [2 March 2009]

Hi Tim I am Jim (James) Barrus and am descended from John Barrow (not sure of spelling) b in 1609. I have many many names and info as well as a few surname and town history books for Mass and NE. I hope we can exchange info Jim Barrus--Famhistoryhntr 21:48, 1 March 2009 (EST)


Dorothy Middagh (1) (2) (3) all the same ? [1 May 2009]

Hello Stilltim,

I found your WeRelate People pages today. I hope you do not mind but I am watching some of the pages.

I have the same ancestors (I think).

I am wondering if all three Dorothy Middagh's (1) (2) (3) are the same one?

You have B 1749 Machackeck, (Port Jervis) NY.

White has B Nov 26, 1749 Minisink, Orange, NY.

I have B in Kingston, Orange, and married to Jonathan Houghtaling.

What do you think? I could be wrong.

Debbie Freeman --DFree 12:21, 1 May 2009 (EDT)


Osterhout Genealogy [13 September 2009]

I just recently discovered this application, website.

I have been tracing a Henry Osterhout b. ~1797 New York, d. 1874 in Canada and had zero success tracing him prior to 1830 in Canada.

Researching online, Frederick, son of Gustav, had a son Henry. Would you happen to have any information regarding what may have happened to Henry? Based on a note I received, Frederick, his wife and some children were killed during the French & Indian Wars. Below, is the story, if you never heard of it.

Many thanks. HM Osterhout

__

Anna Osterhout born 1747, was the daughter of Gustav Osterhaut and Anna Maria Hess. During the French and Indian War, Anna was captured and taken prisoner to Canada along with her brother John. Anna recounts that four sisters and one brother were killed along with her parents, but she mentions another brother Frederick was spared because he had whooping cough and the Indians were afraid of him. After 3 years, Anna returned to live with her grandmother Katherine Hess and was later married to Henry Moyer.

Her husband Henry served in the Revolutionary War and this is her testimony to secure a pension due her.

[Testimonial] State of New York Oswego County SS

On the 26th day of March 1840 personally appeared before me Elias Brewster a Judge of the County Court of the County of Oswego being a court of Record Anna Myers a resident of the Town of Mexico in said County of Oswego & State aforesaid who first duly sworn according to Law doth on her oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benifit of the Act of Congress passed July 4, 1836. Says she is now as near as can recollect about 93 years old. that she has no record of her age & therefore cannot State the precise time when she was born. that her Maiden name was Oosterhout. that she was born at Canajoharie in the present County of Montgomery in the State of New York. that during the French War & when she was about 3 years to as near as she now recollects she was taken prisoner by the French & Indians & carried to Canada. that she well recollects the destruction. that the house in which her father & family resided was attacked & surrounded by the Indians & that her father and mother four sisters & one brother were killed by them & that she was taken prisoner & a brother by the name of John then about 15 years of age. that she understood & believes that the reason that she & her brother were not Killed was that one of the Indians belonging to the party had lost children of about the same age & he wanted them to adopt - that one other brother escaped whose name was Frederick. that at the time he was sick with the Whooping Cough & that when the Indians saw him cough they were frightened & let him alone. that the Indians took her & her brother to their camp but where or which way or however they travelled she cannot (recall?) but supposes & believes they went to Canada as she recollects they carried the (child) Canita. that she was with the Indians about three years when she learned the Indians language & when she returned to the Mohawk she had almost entirely forgotten her native language the Dutch. that afterwards she was sent to Albany where she was met by an Uncle of hers who had come there to see if any of his brothers children were alive. that she was taken by her Uncle to his residence at Canajoharry. that she then went to live with her Grandmother, Mrs. Katherine Hess, with whom she resided until she was about fifteen years old. that she was married to Henry Moyer or Myers about the 15th day of May 1770 that after she was married that she was married at the House of her father-in-law in Canajoharry where she had been residing for several weeks previous. that she was married by the Rev. Mr. Ehle a Clergyman of the Low Dutch Church. that David Hess was present at the time of said marriage as well as recollects he being a fiddler & played for the Company to dance the evening of the marriage. That she believes the said David is now living & she Knows of no other person who was present at said marriage. that a record was made of said marriage in the Family Bible but the same was destroyed afterwards as will appear from what appears afterwards. that she has had by the said Henry Moyer twelve children the oldest of whom is about 68 years & the youngest about 38 years. that there are 8 only of her said children now living. that the said Henry Moyer was several years older than this deponent & died on the 19th day of Jan. 1830. that soon after the Revolutionary War Commenced the Valley of the Mohawk became the scene of many important operations & bloody transactions. that he was frequently called out for the purpose of defending the frontier from the incursions of the Tories & Indians & was engaged at the Fort near by the whole time that for about a year before the Battle of Oriskany the said Henry held the office of Ensign or Lieutenant the Malitia in a company commanded by Capt. Diefendorf. that as soon as it was announced in the Spring & Summer of 1777 that Col. St. Leger was raising an Army of Tories & Indians at Oswego for the purpose of invading the Valley of the Mohawk the whole country was in a state of excitement. Gen Herkimer issued a proclamation for every able bodied man to turn out leaving the old men & those who were not able to bear arms to guard the Forts & other places where the Women & children were assembled. that the Company Commanded by the Said Defendorf turned out under Gen Herkimer & proceeded with him towards Oriskany. that the said Henry was at that time an Ensign or Lieutenant in the company of said Defendorf as far as German Flatts where town then called about 8 miles below Utica. that the said Henry was there taken lame in consequence of having cut his foot which had previously healed up but in consequence of travelling it had broken out & his foot swelled to such a degree that it had cracked open when he returned. that said Defendorf was Killed in the Battle of Oriskany & was a brother-in-law of said Henry having married his Sister. that it was said at the time that said Defendorf was Killed by an Indian who was in a tree. that during the Summer of 1777 the said Henry was absent most of the time in the service. that after the Torries & Indians had left Fort Schuyler thru Aug or Sept the said Henry returned to his home that after the return of said Henry as aforesaid he was engaged for the greater part of that time & until the 17th day of April following (1778) in assisting about the erection of a Fort in the present town of Minden in the County of Montgomery & State of New York about the six miles east of Little Falls which was called Fort Willet. that it was intended for the people living near said fort to remove therein on the next Monday. that on Sunday which was on the 17th day of April aforesaid about sunrise in the morning & while some of the children of this deponent were sent a few rods from the house to feed some calves this deponent discovered the horse then owned by the said Henry run past the door of the House great frightened & at the same time She heard her children scream - That she went to the door to see what was the matter & there saw several Indians who had taken the two children who had been sent out as aforesaid - that one of the Indians was near the door when she went out & he yelled & whooped & seized her by the arm - that the Indian took her & her four children about fifty rods from the house & stopped - that soon after they stoped they were met by another party of Indians who had been up to a neighbors by the name of Christian Bust who had taken the said Bust his wife & one child & the said Henry Moyer - that a few minutes before she had been taken by the Indians as aforesaid her husband Henry Moyer had left the house & gone to the said Busts' to see about Moving into the fort they had building aforesaid & while there was taken prisoner with the said Bust & his family - that she discharged by the Indians soon after the party met as aforesaid with a Sucking child then about two years old. that her husband the said Henry & three of her children were then taken away by the Indains & where they went she does not Know except from information. that after She was discharged as aforesaid She returned to her house which she found rifled of such articles as the Indians could carry & set on fire the house. that the Indians had put brands of fire between one or two beds which were on fire when she returned. that she suceeded in getting the beds out of the House & extinguished the fire & prevented the building from being entirely consumed. that about two hours after the Indians left two of her children returned who were daughters leaving the Said Henry her husband and one of her children a boy named Henry about three years old prisoner with the Indians. that when her daughters returned they informed this deponent that the Indians discharged them & that their father also wanted the Indians to discharge the boy Henry but they refused to do so & told the said Henry her husband that if he attempted to run away they would Kill his boy. that the wife of said Bust was also discharged by the said Indians & her husband & child a boy about seven years old were carried off by the Indians. that alarm was soon made & she the same day went to a house called Fort House where the people had assembled & where She remained for two or three years until it was understood that it was would be safe for the people to go on to their farms. that the said Henry informed this deponent which she belives then that the Indians took him to Niagara where he was forced to run the gauntlet, that while there he was struck by an Indians with a Tomahawk over the left eye wich produced a Scar of considerable size & which remained there until his death. that he was also at the same place received a cut on the right side of his the head which left a scar about three inches long. that from Niagara they went to Oswego. that while there he was set to chopping wood in the company with a man the name of Stimet noticed the lake Shore. that while a party of the British were endeavoring to get a boat a Shore for the purpose of receiving the wood the same was capsized when he & the said Stimet escaped & went up the Oswego River which was then a wilderness. that they went to three River Point about 25 miles South of Oswego where they discovered that they were pursued. the party encamped overnight & then he & the said Stimet crossed the river from the west to the east side & escaped. That they were Five weeks in the woods & finally found by a party of friendly Indians about six miles from Schoharry in the present county of the same name. that he remained there several days until he got recruited & had recovered his strength & then returned to Fort Willet where this deponent was. that this deponents son remained a prisoner with the Indians until peace was declared When he returned home. that during harvest the year before the said Henry was taken prisoner the people in the neighborhood where she resided in a house called Fort Walradt. that the Fort was situated about 2 miles from the Mohawk River & an alarm had been made that the enemy were in the neighborhood when the people left Fort Walradt & went to the river for greater safety. that all the furniture, clothing & all the household stuff of the said Henry was then destroyed & also the bible in which her marriage with the said Henry was recorded. And this deponent further says that she is now the widow of the said Henry Myers Never having been married to any other person. that she & the said Henry resided together in the Town of Minden aforesaid until about fourty two years since when they removed to the Town of Sullivan in the County of Madison in said State where they resided until about two years ago when they removed to the Town of Hastings in said County of Oswego where they resided until the death of the said Henry as before stated. And deponent further says that she has no record evidence of the service of her husband in the War of the Revolution & She does not Know that any exists.


Sworn to & subscribed

before me the day &

year above written

     Elias Brewster
     Judge of Oswego 
        County Courts            

Anna X Myers--Heyho 13:45, 13 September 2009 (EDT)


Osterhout Genealogy [13 September 2009]

I just recently discovered this application, website.

I have been tracing a Henry Osterhout b. ~1797 New York, d. 1874 in Canada and had zero success tracing him prior to 1830 in Canada.

Researching online, Frederick, son of Gustav, had a son Henry. Would you happen to have any information regarding what may have happened to Henry? Based on a note I received, Frederick, his wife and some children were killed during the French & Indian Wars. Below, is the story, if you never heard of it.

Many thanks. HM Osterhout designs.chicago xx @ xx gmail .com (remove spaces & xx) __

Anna Osterhout born 1747, was the daughter of Gustav Osterhaut and Anna Maria Hess. During the French and Indian War, Anna was captured and taken prisoner to Canada along with her brother John. Anna recounts that four sisters and one brother were killed along with her parents, but she mentions another brother Frederick was spared because he had whooping cough and the Indians were afraid of him. After 3 years, Anna returned to live with her grandmother Katherine Hess and was later married to Henry Moyer.

Her husband Henry served in the Revolutionary War and this is her testimony to secure a pension due her.

[Testimonial] State of New York Oswego County SS

On the 26th day of March 1840 personally appeared before me Elias Brewster a Judge of the County Court of the County of Oswego being a court of Record Anna Myers a resident of the Town of Mexico in said County of Oswego & State aforesaid who first duly sworn according to Law doth on her oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benifit of the Act of Congress passed July 4, 1836. Says she is now as near as can recollect about 93 years old. that she has no record of her age & therefore cannot State the precise time when she was born. that her Maiden name was Oosterhout. that she was born at Canajoharie in the present County of Montgomery in the State of New York. that during the French War & when she was about 3 years to as near as she now recollects she was taken prisoner by the French & Indians & carried to Canada. that she well recollects the destruction. that the house in which her father & family resided was attacked & surrounded by the Indians & that her father and mother four sisters & one brother were killed by them & that she was taken prisoner & a brother by the name of John then about 15 years of age. that she understood & believes that the reason that she & her brother were not Killed was that one of the Indians belonging to the party had lost children of about the same age & he wanted them to adopt - that one other brother escaped whose name was Frederick. that at the time he was sick with the Whooping Cough & that when the Indians saw him cough they were frightened & let him alone. that the Indians took her & her brother to their camp but where or which way or however they travelled she cannot (recall?) but supposes & believes they went to Canada as she recollects they carried the (child) Canita. that she was with the Indians about three years when she learned the Indians language & when she returned to the Mohawk she had almost entirely forgotten her native language the Dutch. that afterwards she was sent to Albany where she was met by an Uncle of hers who had come there to see if any of his brothers children were alive. that she was taken by her Uncle to his residence at Canajoharry. that she then went to live with her Grandmother, Mrs. Katherine Hess, with whom she resided until she was about fifteen years old. that she was married to Henry Moyer or Myers about the 15th day of May 1770 that after she was married that she was married at the House of her father-in-law in Canajoharry where she had been residing for several weeks previous. that she was married by the Rev. Mr. Ehle a Clergyman of the Low Dutch Church. that David Hess was present at the time of said marriage as well as recollects he being a fiddler & played for the Company to dance the evening of the marriage. That she believes the said David is now living & she Knows of no other person who was present at said marriage. that a record was made of said marriage in the Family Bible but the same was destroyed afterwards as will appear from what appears afterwards. that she has had by the said Henry Moyer twelve children the oldest of whom is about 68 years & the youngest about 38 years. that there are 8 only of her said children now living. that the said Henry Moyer was several years older than this deponent & died on the 19th day of Jan. 1830. that soon after the Revolutionary War Commenced the Valley of the Mohawk became the scene of many important operations & bloody transactions. that he was frequently called out for the purpose of defending the frontier from the incursions of the Tories & Indians & was engaged at the Fort near by the whole time that for about a year before the Battle of Oriskany the said Henry held the office of Ensign or Lieutenant the Malitia in a company commanded by Capt. Diefendorf. that as soon as it was announced in the Spring & Summer of 1777 that Col. St. Leger was raising an Army of Tories & Indians at Oswego for the purpose of invading the Valley of the Mohawk the whole country was in a state of excitement. Gen Herkimer issued a proclamation for every able bodied man to turn out leaving the old men & those who were not able to bear arms to guard the Forts & other places where the Women & children were assembled. that the Company Commanded by the Said Defendorf turned out under Gen Herkimer & proceeded with him towards Oriskany. that the said Henry was at that time an Ensign or Lieutenant in the company of said Defendorf as far as German Flatts where town then called about 8 miles below Utica. that the said Henry was there taken lame in consequence of having cut his foot which had previously healed up but in consequence of travelling it had broken out & his foot swelled to such a degree that it had cracked open when he returned. that said Defendorf was Killed in the Battle of Oriskany & was a brother-in-law of said Henry having married his Sister. that it was said at the time that said Defendorf was Killed by an Indian who was in a tree. that during the Summer of 1777 the said Henry was absent most of the time in the service. that after the Torries & Indians had left Fort Schuyler thru Aug or Sept the said Henry returned to his home that after the return of said Henry as aforesaid he was engaged for the greater part of that time & until the 17th day of April following (1778) in assisting about the erection of a Fort in the present town of Minden in the County of Montgomery & State of New York about the six miles east of Little Falls which was called Fort Willet. that it was intended for the people living near said fort to remove therein on the next Monday. that on Sunday which was on the 17th day of April aforesaid about sunrise in the morning & while some of the children of this deponent were sent a few rods from the house to feed some calves this deponent discovered the horse then owned by the said Henry run past the door of the House great frightened & at the same time She heard her children scream - That she went to the door to see what was the matter & there saw several Indians who had taken the two children who had been sent out as aforesaid - that one of the Indians was near the door when she went out & he yelled & whooped & seized her by the arm - that the Indian took her & her four children about fifty rods from the house & stopped - that soon after they stoped they were met by another party of Indians who had been up to a neighbors by the name of Christian Bust who had taken the said Bust his wife & one child & the said Henry Moyer - that a few minutes before she had been taken by the Indians as aforesaid her husband Henry Moyer had left the house & gone to the said Busts' to see about Moving into the fort they had building aforesaid & while there was taken prisoner with the said Bust & his family - that she discharged by the Indians soon after the party met as aforesaid with a Sucking child then about two years old. that her husband the said Henry & three of her children were then taken away by the Indains & where they went she does not Know except from information. that after She was discharged as aforesaid She returned to her house which she found rifled of such articles as the Indians could carry & set on fire the house. that the Indians had put brands of fire between one or two beds which were on fire when she returned. that she suceeded in getting the beds out of the House & extinguished the fire & prevented the building from being entirely consumed. that about two hours after the Indians left two of her children returned who were daughters leaving the Said Henry her husband and one of her children a boy named Henry about three years old prisoner with the Indians. that when her daughters returned they informed this deponent that the Indians discharged them & that their father also wanted the Indians to discharge the boy Henry but they refused to do so & told the said Henry her husband that if he attempted to run away they would Kill his boy. that the wife of said Bust was also discharged by the said Indians & her husband & child a boy about seven years old were carried off by the Indians. that alarm was soon made & she the same day went to a house called Fort House where the people had assembled & where She remained for two or three years until it was understood that it was would be safe for the people to go on to their farms. that the said Henry informed this deponent which she belives then that the Indians took him to Niagara where he was forced to run the gauntlet, that while there he was struck by an Indians with a Tomahawk over the left eye wich produced a Scar of considerable size & which remained there until his death. that he was also at the same place received a cut on the right side of his the head which left a scar about three inches long. that from Niagara they went to Oswego. that while there he was set to chopping wood in the company with a man the name of Stimet noticed the lake Shore. that while a party of the British were endeavoring to get a boat a Shore for the purpose of receiving the wood the same was capsized when he & the said Stimet escaped & went up the Oswego River which was then a wilderness. that they went to three River Point about 25 miles South of Oswego where they discovered that they were pursued. the party encamped overnight & then he & the said Stimet crossed the river from the west to the east side & escaped. That they were Five weeks in the woods & finally found by a party of friendly Indians about six miles from Schoharry in the present county of the same name. that he remained there several days until he got recruited & had recovered his strength & then returned to Fort Willet where this deponent was. that this deponents son remained a prisoner with the Indians until peace was declared When he returned home. that during harvest the year before the said Henry was taken prisoner the people in the neighborhood where she resided in a house called Fort Walradt. that the Fort was situated about 2 miles from the Mohawk River & an alarm had been made that the enemy were in the neighborhood when the people left Fort Walradt & went to the river for greater safety. that all the furniture, clothing & all the household stuff of the said Henry was then destroyed & also the bible in which her marriage with the said Henry was recorded. And this deponent further says that she is now the widow of the said Henry Myers Never having been married to any other person. that she & the said Henry resided together in the Town of Minden aforesaid until about fourty two years since when they removed to the Town of Sullivan in the County of Madison in said State where they resided until about two years ago when they removed to the Town of Hastings in said County of Oswego where they resided until the death of the said Henry as before stated. And deponent further says that she has no record evidence of the service of her husband in the War of the Revolution & She does not Know that any exists.


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Barrows [13 September 2009]

Hi I am Jim Barrus from Springfield,Mass. I am descended from John Barrow b 1609. I have ancestors going way back, including, de Washington and de Sutton. My email address is famhistoryhntr@yahoo.com Jim--Famhistoryhntr 15:53, 13 September 2009 (EDT)