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can you help me? [10 June 2011]

I have added the following immigrants from Netherlands:

John De Wind came from Netherlands in 1871 with his parents George and Geerjte - I suspect that their original names were Jan and ??

Susanna Kort's parents Tiemen Kort and Johanna Stolp came from Netherlands in 1866

Living nearby John De Wind and George De Wind are:

Rentje (b. Dec 1843) and Geertrude (b. Oct 1844) De Wind who came from Netherlands in 1872

Alko (b. Oct 1869) and Kate (b. Dec 1874) De Wind - Alko came from Netherlands in 1872

I suspect that George, Rentje and Alko De Wind were brothers.

Anything you could do to find their birth or marriage records from Netherlands would be much appreciated.

Two of John and Susanna's sons married daughters of Anne and Grietje Hamstra.

I personally know these two gentlemen (one still living), their wives and many of their children. The Hamstra and De Wind clans still interact as a single extended family.


Jim--Jhamstra 14:33, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

Funny... I was adding a note to George and Geertje's page just now :-) Their names were Tjaard and Geertje. I can certainly help, I will add what I can find sources for to their person/family pages. If I suspect something I'll leave a note on a corresponding talk page. --Jennifer (JBS66) 14:50, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
You've been following my notes on talk pages, but I will add here that Rentje (Renje) and George (Tjaard) were brothers. Alko (Eilko) was not a brother, but was a son of Renje and Geertruida. I believe I pieced most of this together. If I find more details I will add them and if you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask! --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:57, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

ignore my comments about Ard - he was born later

I see that you are starting to fill-in some more details on my Bijker relatives.

If you look at the descendants of Gerrit Jans Bijker ( you will find that many of them emigrated to the US or Canada. I have tried to figure out how to add categories to a record but no success to this point?

Also you might be interested in a few other records where I have added more family detail but could use some more help: and their ancestors

plus of course some others that you are already watching.

I don't know how much attention you are paying to the Bijker side but I have added some more details.

On both Hamstra and Bijker sides I have created som MySource records - plus a bunch of other MySource records that relate to other parts of my family tree that do not recently come from the Netherlands and my not be of interest to you.--Jhamstra 21:14, 9 June 2011 (EDT)

Hi Jim, to add the immigration categories to pages, you can put [[Category:Dutch immigrants to the United States]] into the text box on a Person page. If both spouses immigrated to the U.S. then the category can also be placed on their Family page. You can see an example on this page: Person:Date Bijker (1). I'll take a look at Family:Geert Oubeles and Antje Jans (1). I saw your MySource pages - I think that is a good way to handle the self-published texts you were talking about on the conversation at the Watercooler (btw, did you ever get your original question answered...) If you have a source that is more widely available that could serve well as a Source page, let me know and I can help you set that up.

I'll add in a few primary (Burgerlijke Stand) sources on your pages now and again (especially as they connect to my F'deel/L'deel project. --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:45, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

I have an excellent public source (old book found on Google Books) for the ancestors of Susan (Newton) Wilson but that is not a topic you are watching. When I add her ancestors (eight generations) I will ask you how to set that one up. From that one book I can identify over 4000 relatives from the 1600s thru 1800s but probably I will not bother to enter those who are not direct ancestors (unless I have a LOT of time to kill in my dotage 8-).

Although my private sources will probably never become public, some of them are very good (including the research by Calvin Hamstra on the source of the Hamstra family surname). There are only 27 Hamstra family trees in the world once they are correctly linked.

(Despite what my critics may say at the Watercooler 8-)--Jhamstra 08:19, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

Erroneous categories [10 June 2011]

I added the "Dutch immigrants to the United States" per your convention. Although you are not focusing on Dantumadeel I have a number of Bijker / Byker relatives who immigrated and I will add the category as appropriate.

This record exposes the problem that the system is automatically attaching Jan Bijker / Byker to "Bijker surname in New York" and "Byker surname in New York" categories because he entered via Ellis Island. I have entered many records of my and my wife's relatives who entered the US via Ellis Island but immediately transited to Iowa, Michigan or North Dakota. (Another project for my dotage - constructing the genealogy of all the immigrants who settled in or around Dogden Township in North Dakota where my wife hails from 8-)

A huge number of people entered the US via Ellis Island - most of them did not long remain in New York after their quarantine - rather they transited to other locations - many within the interior of the US which was open to homesteaders during that era. Yet the system is automatically attaching them to New York categories - which will become an enormous if not overwhelming amount of garbage in the categories of actual New York residents.

I am wondering how to remove these erroneous categories from "my" people?


I see that you are watching this User Talk page. I am wondering if you should make a special exception for Ellis Island regarding automatically attaching these immigrants to New York surnames?--Jhamstra 09:09, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

Dallan watches my talk page, but I'm not sure that he finds time to read it :-) If you have site specific suggestions it's best to leave them either at WeRelate talk:Support or WeRelate:Suggestions. Regarding the categories, there are plans in the works to revamp those, possibly removing automatically-generated categories in exchange for an improved faceted search process. There is more info/discussion about that here if you are at all interested. --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:02, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

Immigrants to Canada [10 June 2011]

Since live in Canada I am wondering if you are interested in this topic?

Is there a defined Category for "Immigrants to Canada"?

Can you recommend any web sites that I can consult regarding Canada immigrants / emigrants, Canada census, etc?

Many of my Bijker / Byker relatives and my wife's Schock relatives immigrated to Canada - some later came to the US from Canada and some settled in Canada (mostly in Ontario, Alberta and BC). I still have many relatives in Canada including a son and daughter-in-law (and grandsons) - her father and his family immigrated to Canada from what is now the Czech Republic.

for example see whose Lick and Sauer families live in Canada--Jhamstra 09:20, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

I don't live in Canada, I live in the U.S. (though most of my ancestors did come from Quebec). There are a couple of free sites that I can think of that may be of help, Automated Genealogy is a volunteer project to transcribe a few years of the Census of Canada. For migration information, FamilySearch has the Border Crossings From Canada to United States, 1895-1956 collection. has additional years of the Census of Canada and the Border crossings from U.S. to Canada, but those are not free of course.
The category for dutch immigrants to Canada is Category:Dutch immigrants to Canada. --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:16, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

Van de Kuur [19 June 2011]

We are connecting via van der Kuur family from the Netherlands.

Check out my "Hall family tree" on

Sijtske van der Kuur My paternal grandmother Birth 5 Nov 1890 in Britsum, Leeuwarderadeel, Friesland, Netherlands Death 9 Apr 1982 in Rusk County, Wisconsin, USA

Her married name was Spoolhoff in the USA, Spoelhoff in the Netherlands.--Hal2185 17:45, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

responded on user's talk page --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:50, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

Define "Redirect" and it's application to Vandenberg Air Force Base [7 July 2011]

Hello, I'm new at this Wiki so have a few questions.

I noticed your edit to the Place Page for Vandenberg Air Force Base and what appears to be it's "redirect to town level". Can you explain to me what that means? AND if I'm understanding the change and it's implications, why wouldn't the third largest Air Force base in the country, that is a city unto itself with a population of nearly 6200 people, not stand on it's own as a Place?

I also note that when searching Place Pages for "Vandenberg" another comes up that is incomplete and includes a misspelling (Airforce). Is there a way to eliminate it and combine it with the one you have edited.

Sorry for my newbie status. I'm sure with time I will come to understand alot more of this and hope to be a worthy contributor.--Rick 15:12, 17 June 2011 (EDT)

Hello Rick, no need at all to be sorry for your "newbie status"! I was following the help guidelines set forth at Help:Place pages#What kinds of places can I create pages for.3F. We have a rule that place pages (with the exception of cemeteries), do not go below the town/township/village, etc level. Information such as the hospital one was born in, the base one was stationed at, or the church one was married in can go either into the event's description field, or use the "pipe trick". A pipe can be used like this: [[Place:Santa Barbara, California, United States‎|Vandenberg Air Force Base, Santa Barbara, California, United States‎]] which will display Vandenberg Air Force Base, Santa Barbara, California, United States‎‎ but link to the Santa Barbara page.
That being said, I have asked for admin clarification on this issue, since military bases have been questioned in the past. I will post here when I receive additional details. As for the Place:Vandenberg Airforce Base, California, United States page, I would suggest deleting the page since nothing links to it and since the page title is not correctly formed. --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:40, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

Thank you Jennifer. I certainly understand the rule about place pages not going below the town/township/village level, and likewise agree that cemeteries deserve to be designated with their own place pages. I would only add to the point I've already made, regarding Vandenberg being a city onto itself, that it encompasses it's own postal zip code, fire department, police, hospital, schools, churches etc. (all things associated with a city). My oldest son was born there and his birth certificate indicates place of birth as Vandenberg A.F.B. Santa Barbarae County, California. In an even greater way inwhich cemeteries make sense having their own pages I think many military installations comparable to Vandenberg also deserve the same.

Please keep me informed on your efforts for admin clarification. Is there a Talk page devoted to this subject? Thank you again!--Rick 17:48, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

Rick, military bases are now allowed as place pages on WeRelate. I reinstated your Place:Vandenberg Air Force Base, Santa Barbara, California, United States page. --Jennifer (JBS66) 11:36, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

Beaumont, TX [28 June 2011]

Thanks for correcting that...I didn't realize right away that i had typed Jackson instead of Jefferson and once the page was created, I couldn't find a way to delete it.

~Jodi--Jodisweere 15:14, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

You are welcome Jodi. On the Beaumont, Jackson, Texas, United States‎ page, I redirected it to the Place:Beaumont, Jefferson, Texas, United States page by following these directions. If you need to mark a page for deletion, you can following the instructions on the Speedy Delete page. You can delete some pages yourself by clicking on More>Delete (if no other user has edited the page and you are the only watcher). --Jennifer (JBS66) 15:22, 28 June 2011 (EDT)--Jennifer (JBS66) 11:59, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

300 years old [9 July 2011]

Jennifer, this person is 300 years old. Person:Mary Pieterson Birth: 1687, Kegenaesgaard, Als Sonder, Denmark Death: 1989-08-03, Woodbridge, Middlesex, New Jersey, USA Spouse: John Enyard --BenS 06:16, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

Thanks Ben, I removed the death date for Mary. --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:27, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

Thank you:) [13 July 2011]

Hi Jennifer, I was finishing up the Featured Page for this week, and had to run to a staff meeting. Thanks for fixing the link, I was planning on fixing it after I got back, hoping no-one would see it..... :)

Thanks also for helping on the wording, I was in and out of meetings all day today, so it was a rush in finishing....

Have a great week,

Jim:)--Delijim 18:40, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

Thank you for the referral [15 July 2011]

Thanks for your referral to the conversation on the future of auto-categorization. I'll review and contribute. --ceyockey 09:11, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

Klaas Bakker [18 July 2011]

Hi Jennifer,

The obit for Klass says he died in Lynden and would be buried in Monumenta. The WGS researchers did have access to Monumenta burial records and show him buried there. Having said that he could have been removed later to join his wife in Montana as she does not appear in Monumenta burial records. So one of the burial sites is empty and I don't know which one. Some children of Klaas and Neeltje are buried in Monumenta. I have copies of the Monumenta burial records from about 1985 to 2003 ie the excel file given me by the cemetery administrator.

Greeenacres cemetery is a different situation as they were the first cremation site in Whatcom County. The Monumenta cemetery records show Klaas was not cremated. --Susan Irish 13:30, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

Susan, thank you for the additional details on Klaas' burial location and for calling the cemetery. I'm always amazed at the helpful collaboration that happens on WeRelate, and this is a great example of it! Contributors on the page for Klaas include users from the Netherlands, to New England, to the west coast - impressive :-) --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:53, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

Thank you [1 August 2011]

Thank you so much for adding the death certificate link for Jesse Fletcher Means! Best, Tamara--Gold lotus 99 15:12, 1 August 2011 (EDT)

You're welcome! When I find a great resource like that with scanned documents, I add them to a few random pages here... --Jennifer (JBS66) 15:18, 1 August 2011 (EDT)

Wilhelmina Kramer [6 August 2011]

Hello Jennifer, do you recall that you assisted us previously with my husbands family tree. I would like some assistance please with a sister of Frank's father. Known details are as follows: Wilhelmina Kramer, DOB March 7th 1910. Married a Canadian man named Noel Aime Courtemanche, his DOB is December 25th 1918. They marrried in Amsterdam on February 12th 1946 and left for Canada on November 11th 1946, I believe they went to Granby Canada. They had 2 daughters, Doris and Maryse, I do not have DOB's for them, I only know Doris married Andre Rover and Maryse married Jean Robichaud. This is where I come to a halt. Any assistance you are able to give would be appreciated Regards Frank & Pat Kramer--Fkramer 19:47, 2 August 2011 (EDT)

Hello Frank and Pat, I visited the American French Genealogical Society today to see what I could find. Unfortunately, the resources that are available there and that I have at my disposal online, do not contain such recent events. If I knew more about Noel Aime (such as his parents), I could help with his ancestry. My own grandparents are from the area near Granby, Quebec, so I have done a bit of research in this area. Sorry that I couldn't be of help. --Jennifer (JBS66) 18:25, 6 August 2011 (EDT)

Thank you Jennifer,I am afraid I do not have any more details to help you. Looks like this is the end of the line as far as Wilhelmina goes. Regards Frank & Pat--Fkramer 19:42, 6 August 2011 (EDT)

contact please [13 August 2011]

Hi Jennifer,

Allthough I'm complete new on this site, could you please send me an e-mail on I noticed you have a relationship with the Dittloff Tjassens family, related to Anna van der Plaats.

I will not publicize on the internet as my research goes deep into the 16th century of (formerly) Mennonite families and many people are looking for my information. My theses is subject to copyright and will be presented to a Dutch university within the next year or so.

Best regards, Nick Posthumus from the Netherlands--Nick 12:20, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

Edit Hendrika de Leeuw, [25 August 2011]

Hi Jen,

How are you? I recieved this email this morning but I can not check the changes, the links give an error report View 2 deleted edits ?? Hendrika de Leeuw is not in my tree anymore, any idea what happened here?

See email below:

Family:Hendrika De Leeuw and Unknown (1)" has been changed by JBS66 at 16:41, 24 August 2011. Edit summary: merged with [[Family:Hendrika De Leeuw and Unknown (2)]] - review/undo

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Leave a message for JBS66:

We are currently in the process of combining duplicate wiki pages for the same person into a single page containing information from all contributors. If you are unsure why your pages are being merged with others, it is most likely a result of this project. Read more: 04:42, 25 August 2011 (EDT)

Hi Annemarie, I am doing well - I hope all is good with you! I found two pages that you had created, Family:Hendrika De Leeuw and Unknown (1) and Family:Hendrika De Leeuw and Unknown (2). The only information on the two pages was a marriage date of 8 December 1892. Both of these pages incorrectly had the wife listed first. It appeared that you had tried a few times to create the family, and then succeeded in creating Family:Pieter Kalishoek and Hendrika De Leeuw (1). Since the other two pages contained no links and were duplicates, I merged and deleted them. Sorry for any confusion! --Jennifer (JBS66) 05:00, 25 August 2011 (EDT)

Wilhelmus Hermannus Dittlof Tjassens [26 August 2011]

Hello Jennifer,

A small token of my information.

Personal report of Wilhelmus Hermannus Dittlof Tjassens

Wilhelmus Hermannus Dittlof Tjassens R.N.L. [6009], son of Annassus Lodewijk Dittlof Tjassens [6264] (majoor-commandant) and Arnolda Hadewich Wienanda Hoffmann [6265], born Zutphen on 25 Apr 1805, bapt. Zutphen on 5 May 1805, kapitein-ter-zee Kon. Marine, died Hees, gem. Nijmegen on 15 Nov 1865, married [1953] Leeuwarden [akte nr. 125] on 7 Jun 1835, (term. by death Hees, gem. Nijmegen on 15 Nov 1865) with Anna Jans van der Plaats [6046], daughter of Mr Jan Daniel Folkerts van der Plaats [4919] (notaris en advocaat te Leeuwarden) and Anna Elisabeth Anskes Coopmans [4920], born Leeuwarden on 17 Aug 1812, bapt. doopsgezind Leeuwarden on 16 Nov 1831, died 's Gravenhage on 29 Dec 1885. From this marriage 7 children

1. Lodewijk Annatsius [16118], born Harlingen on 5 Feb 1837, died Harlingen on 5 Feb 1837. 2. Anna Elisabeth Ditloff (of Ditloff) Tjassens [6028], born Harlingen on 14 Mar 1838, died Algiers [Algeria] on 13 May 1930, married (1) [1961] Den Helder [akte nr. 103] on 2 Aug 1865, (term. by death Amsterdam on 3 Sep 1867) Albert Jan Thürkow R.O.E. [6029], son of Marcus Adolph Thürkow [6030] (kapitein ter zee en equipagemeester Kon. Marine) and Wilhelmina Elisabeth Sanches [6031], born Paramaribo [Suriname] on 6 Oct 1838, luitenant-ter-zee 1e klasse en equipagemeester Kon. Marine, died Amsterdam on 3 Sep 1867, banns (2) [2067] Bonn [Germany] [en Algiers] on 25 Oct 1874, married Bonn [Germany] on 23 Nov 1874 Ds. Emile Pierre André Rocheblave [6332], son of André Isaäc Rocheblave [6333] and Joséphine Dadre [6334], born St. Hippolyte du Ford (Gard) France] on 9 Mar 1827, Emeritus predikant, died Algiers [Algeria] on 3 May 1915, buried St.Hippolyte [France]. 3. Lodewijk Annassus Dittloff Tjassens R.O.L, CO.O.N. [6020], born Schranz, nabij Huizum, gem. Leeuwarderadeel on 3 Sep 1842, zeeofficier, secretaris-generaal, lid Raad van State i.b.d, died 's Gravenhage on 26 Oct 1916, married [2069] Soerabaya on 6 Nov 1876, (term. by death 's Gravenhage on 26 Oct 1916) Petronella Hillegonda Mounier [6335], daughter of Théophile Mounier [6336] and Henriette Petronella le Nobel (of Noble) [6337], born 's Hertogenbosch on 26 Jul 1847, died 's Gravenhage on 2 May 1927, (Petronella Hillegonda married(1) [2837], (term. by death op zee [Indonesia] on 13 Feb 1917) Robert Campbell Forbes [8252].). 4. Anna Catharina Louisa Tjassens [6021], born Leeuwarden on 7 Aug 1846, died Nijmegen on 19 May 1884, married [1963] Nieuwediep, Den Helder [nr. 183] on 9 Dec 1864, (divorced Soerabaija on 15 Apr 1872) Ir Johan Lodewijk von Leschen Ch.O.R.M.n. [6032], son of Karel Willem August von Leschen [6033] (equipagemeester bij de marine.) and Arnolda Maria Magrita la Rooij [6034], born Gorssel on 8 Mar 1841, hoofdingenieur bij de Marine, died 's Gravenhage on 30 Oct 1895. 5. Wilhelmus Hermanus [6339], born Arnhem on 14 Apr 1851, Kapitein-ter-zee Kon. Marine, died Apeldoorn, Gelderland on 31 Dec 1934, married (1) [2072] Batavia [Indonesia] on 24 Aug 1889 Sara Carolina der Kinderen [6340], daughter of Mr Timon Hendrik Anton der Kinderen [6341] and Susanna Antoinette Theresia de Pauly [6342], born Weltevreden on 12 Jun 1863, died Weltevreden on 23 Jul 1891, banns (2) [2074] 's Gravenhage on 16 Jan 1898 [en 23 januari 1898], married 's Gravenhage [akte nr. 103] on 27 Jan 1898, (term. by death Apeldoorn, Gelderland on 14 Feb 1918) Carolina Augustina der Kinderen [6345], daughter of Mr Timon Hendrik Anton der Kinderen [6341] and Susanna Antoinette Theresia de Pauly [6342], born Salemba [Indonesia] on 25 Apr 1872, died Apeldoorn, Gelderland on 14 Feb 1918. 6. Sophia Jacoba [8253], born Arnhem on 10 Sep 1852. 7. Sara Maria (Dolly) [8254], born Arnhem on 4 Mar 1857, died Elberfeld on 3 Jan 1923, married [2838] Kreuznach [Germany] on 22 May 1883 Mr Walter Herman Pahlke [8255], son of Hermann Pahlke [8256] and Pauline Suzanne Keller [8257], born Remscheid [Germany] on 14 May 1855, advocaat te Elberfeld en Justizrat te Charlottenburg.

Regards, Nick--Nick 15:48, 25 August 2011 (EDT)

Thank you Nick, this is very detailed information! I will begin adding Person and Family pages for these people over the next few days. I see the family surname was Dittlof Tjassens and not Tjassens (as I have in my database). I will make that correction.
If you are interested, you can "watch" the Family:Wilhelmus Tjassens and Anna Van Der Plaats (1) and associated pages to be notified of changes that are made. Thank you again for your generosity, it is appreciated. --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:19, 25 August 2011 (EDT)

Hi Jennifer, You're quite welcome to it. You wrote however that the family surname was Dittlof Tjassens and not Tjassens. You are correct! I haven't figured out yet where the adjective surname Dittloff (also seen as Ditloff) came from. As this is beyond my own research goals, I will leave it at that though. Regards, Nick--Nick 05:36, 26 August 2011 (EDT)

Isaac Ostrander [25 August 2011]

Jennifer, What is procedure when the birth date is unknown? Isaac Ostrander was Christened on May 30, 1725 but not necessarily and probably not born on that date, correct? It would even help if we had some sort of death record which shows he died at a particular age, ie day, month and year of his life. Ann Dewey--OkieAnnie 13:11, 25 August 2011 (EDT)

Hello Ann, the convention at WR when a christening is known (and the exact birth date is not), is to only enter the christening date. The system will use that date on the Family Tree, Person & Family pages, etc (see Help:Style guide). It would be nice to locate a death record. I found a snippet on Google Books from "Ostrander: a genealogical record 1660-1995" that says "his Will was dated 15 Jun 1809". I am not related to this family, I was merging some duplicate family pages, so it is unlikely that I will be able to research this further. --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:31, 25 August 2011 (EDT)

Gedcom [3 September 2011]

Hi Jennifer, I've noticed this on the website: "To re-import an updated GEDCOM, you need to delete your tree first so that you don't create a bunch of duplicate pages. Please wait 2 hours between deleting your tree and uploading a new gedcom. Eventually you'll be able to re-import an updated GEDCOM into an existing tree." Before I delete my current gedcoms and replace them by my just under 9000 individuals gedcom (many interesting additions and much more sources!), I wanted to check if this does not create problems.--Govegus 17:07, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

As far as I understand, Jennifer has problems with the Internet-connection due to the Hurricane Irene. So I can answer the question: Deleting your tree will remove all records where you are the only watcher. Records watched by more than one user are not deleted. Between deletion and reload there must be a timelag of a few hours. I would advise to wait longer when the size is larger. Upload of 9000 individuals in one run is not possible. The limit is 5000 people at once.--Klaas (Ekjansen) 01:30, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
Thank you Klaas! Yes, I am actually still without power (6 days later...) I found internet access at a local restaurant though :-)
John, when you first uploaded your gedcom, as I recall, it was just over 5000 people, so Dallan made an exception and uploaded it separately. It would be much easier for you to split your ged into 2 separate files this time. Also, when you uploaded before, MySource pages were created for each of your sources. If you delete your trees and upload again, these Sources will be turned into notes instead of MySource pages (which is much better in my opinion). When you process the new gedcom uploads, any pages that were not deleted because there were other watchers will appear in the Family Matches tab for you to match/merge. Klaas uses Aldfaer and has a lot of experience splitting up gedcoms, if you have any questions in this regard. --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:09, 2 September 2011 (EDT)

Hi Klaas and Jennifer, Thanks for your answers. I'd be willing to cut my gedcom into pieces but in fact I'm not sure how to. I tried many times in Aldfaer to distinghuish between e.g. my family and my inlaws but it seems to always mix up. Furthermore I've started "downward searches" on some ancestors and I'm not sure all their offspring will be included. Lastly for one family I've included some branches that are not connected to my own family but which I feel they must be. All these individuals are in one Aldfaer file (about 9000 individuals) and I don't know how to export them to two or more gedcoms. So yes help would be greatly appreciated on this as I haven't been able to find a solution in the forums.--Govegus 16:10, 3 September 2011 (EDT)

I am sure that Klaas will be able to help. Klaas, by the way, I don't recall if you and John have spoken in the past, but he speaks Dutch, if that's easier to convey Aldfaer instructions. Also, John - are you on Google+ yet? There is a nice Dutch genealogy group forming there, with a few WeRelate users there as well. If you would like an invite, just let me know and I can email one to you. --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:22, 3 September 2011 (EDT)

Adding complete church registers [6 September 2011]

Another, more fundamental question: is it according to Werelate standards to add a gedcom of a complete church register (e.g. wedding) that can be tracked back to a reliable online transcription or do we only want families/ family names that have been checked to have some degree of coherence? Surely there must be thoughts on a horizontal vs vertical approach to WR? Arguments I can think of; pro: you rapidly fill up the WR database with complete and accurate information of individuals in certain parishes. You contribute to the goal of creating a global family tree. And you increase your means of attracting new users. Contra: it may be difficult to identify existing individuals as less contextual information is available. And even within a wedding register it is difficult to identify first and second marriages and whether whitnesses, unless explicitly mentioned, have a family connection to the wedding couple - though this may subsequently be clarified by users who take a more vertical approach of these individuals (merge individuals).--Govegus 16:33, 3 September 2011 (EDT)

I don't believe that WeRelate has standards specifying that gedcoms must contain only complete family units. I am working on a project that began by entering in the marriage and birth registers for two gemeenten in Friesland. At the beginning, these created unlinked family units. However, after about 23 years, the following generations that marry have parents that married earlier in the project (hence providing linkages). I feel that as long as a page has enough identifying information to make it useful to another researcher, then it is acceptable for WeRelate. In the case of using marriage registers, if you can determine each spouse's approximate birth year, location of birth, parents names, etc from each record, that would provide enough information for someone else to come in later and add details. --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:47, 4 September 2011 (EDT)

I'm afraid it doesn't mention parents or birth dates; it only gives the name of the spouses, location and a date. You can check for yourself in one of the pdf files on this page 13:13, 4 September 2011 (EDT)

I feel that for WeRelate, something like this may be better suited to a transcription page rather than individual Person and Family pages. An example is Transcript:Leeuwarderadeel, Friesland, Netherlands. Burgerlijke Stand/Geboorte/1815/Index en afbeeldingen. The names of each person can be added without links at the beginning. As you locate more identifying information, you could create a Person page for them and link to the transcription page.
My concern with the gedcom approach is the Gent registers provide very little identifying data. Also, it appears many of the names have patronymic rather than surnames. This increases the chances that people will share the same name. I do agree with your pros and cons regarding a horizontal approach to entering data on WR. Without birth or parental data, how does one determine who exactly they are? If, in the future, we suspect two families are identical and look at them side-by-side on the merge screen, what details will these pages provide to help answer the question "are these the same people?" I fear a name and marriage date alone won't be enough. With more identifying data comes the ability to create links to family members, which is an integral part of WeRelate. --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:30, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

Don't Know How to Change Marriage Date [4 September 2011]

WeRelate has an incorrect marriage date for * and I can't find a way to correct it. I am * wife and I know what day we got married LOL It needs to be *. If you can correct this I would greatly appreciate it. If not, please tell me how. The marriage date doesn't even appear under the Edit function.  ?? Thanks for any help. Nancy--Ncalkins 13:34, 4 September 2011 (EDT)

I responded on your talk page and removed some identifying information above for privacy concerns. --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:51, 4 September 2011 (EDT)

Clarification please - using "Citation Only" for web pages [9 September 2011]

I recently created a source page for a web site related to the 1932 Olympics. It was changed to a "citation only"

Is there a document explaining the background on this change? I think I understand why the change was made, but don't know when it should be applied.--RGMoffat 16:50, 8 September 2011 (EDT)

The information about using citation only is scattered around various help pages, such as Help:Source pages. If a website is of general genealogical value and contains original information (such as Find A Grave) then we create a Source page for it. If it is of value only to a small number of people, then it would be a MySource. If you plan to only cite the source once, then you can mark it as Citation only, and not create a MySource page at all. --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:07, 9 September 2011 (EDT)

Sipke Bosch Family [18 September 2011]

Hi! I noticed that you are watching the Sipke Bosch & Lijsbert Rollingswier family. They are my Great-Great Grandparents. I am looking for any information on this family line. I have not been able to find anything past their parents. I am from Utah, USA and I have no idea where to begin my search for family records. Do you have anything that could help me. Are you related to this family line?--ALW81 14:39, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

responded on user's talk page. --Jennifer (JBS66) 15:28, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

Surname pages [28 September 2011]

Thanks for the tip about creating surname pages : ) --cthrnvl 10:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

Find A Grave [6 October 2011]

Hi Jennifer -- Thanks for your message about using find a grave photos. In many cases, I took the photos used here -- especially if they are from a cemetery in SW Louisiana (It would be difficult for someone to know this because I've used many different aliases over the years). In cases where I've used photos with permission by friends, I've always made sure to attribute their original profile on the Internet. I will, however, audit my entries and make adjustments as suggested, as needed. Best regards. :) Annette--Aberksan 17:36, 6 October 2011 (EDT) p.s. I wish the folks at were as diligent as you about the use of photos. I have placed photos on this site and on Ancestry with my name on them. Someone in Louisiana has taken my photos (which took me weeks to digitally restore), removed my name, put his own red crawfish logo on them, and added them to Ancestry with his name and without any attribution to me for the origination of the photo. (sorry for the rant - this hit a raw nerve)

Annette, If you notify Ancestry they will remove all of your photos from the offenders site. --Beth 19:25, 6 October 2011 (EDT)

Beth -- Thanks! I really appreciate the suggestion. I spoke with someone at Ancestry over the phone months ago, but the photos are still there. I'll email them and see if that does any good. :)--Aberksan 19:57, 6 October 2011 (EDT)

Aukje vd Galiën [3 November 2011]

Thank you for changing/helping. The next time i'll edit all the info. Marcel Peeringa--M.peeringa 13:15, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

Hallo Marcel, you are welcome. Learning how to add sources on WeRelate takes a little time. Basically the format for the Burgerlijke Stand is the same Gemeente, Province, Netherlands. Burgerlijke Stand. If you find a B.S. source for a gemeente is missing, just let me know and I will create the page for you.
One additional thing: this message is on my talk page archive, and I would like to move it to my main talk page User talk:JBS66. If you could unwatch this page and Watch User talk:JBS66, then I will move this conversation over there. Bedankt! --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:33, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

Jennifer, will you create the page "Jouswier, Kerkelijke registers" ? (Hylkje Ruurds Peringa). Bedankt. M.Peeringa

DTB 542 covers both Oostrum en Jouswier. The source on WR for this is Source:Oostrum, Oostdongeradeel, Friesland, Netherlands. Kerkelijke Registers, 1751-1811. --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:35, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

Jennifer, thank i have changed it. I also looking voor Hiaure, Westdongeradeel (Pieter Jantjes Hoogstra. Alvast bedankt. Gr Marcel

Hiaure is combined with Bornwird Source:Bornwird, Westdongeradeel, Friesland, Netherlands. Kerkelijke Registers, 1666-1863. It is a future project to rename these DTB source pages to something that makes sense :-) Right now, they are titled as they were by the Family History Center. --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:39, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

carolina louisa wilhelmina lodeizen [17 October 2011]

Dear Jennifer,

I may have done something wrong. I think I have made double pages off her second daughter, Antje Geerts van der Meulen. She is also a daughter of her. Her first child is Rinske Geerts van der Meulen. born 29-05-1821 in Dokkum, Friesland, Netherland She died 24-06-1875. Antje Geerts van der Meulen is related to me. My name is Carolina Louisa Wilhelmina also.(as did my grandmother and her grandmother). It is not a common name in our family, because every name is frisian. So I was curious where the name came from.

My source stops at Carolina Louisa Wilhelmina Lodeizen her father.He came from Germany. I expect he came to Friesland for work and married a frian girl. Did happened in Dokkum.

CLW Lodeizen married Geert Keimpes van der Meulen at 16-07-1820. Geert died in Menaldum, Friesland at the age of 51 year. Carolina Lodeizen/Lodeyzen/Lodeysen was born at 24-01-1797. Baptised at 12-02-1797 in Dokkum. She died 27-05-1825 in Dokkum.

Her dauhter Antje Geerts van der Meulen was born 23-03-1823. She married Jan Jans Piebenga 01-05-1852. He was born 06-09-1824.

The parents of CLW lodeizen were: Frederik August Looddiesen/Looddeysen/Lotheisen, born around 1753, died 14-01-1821 68 year.He was a widower. Mother: Antje Igles (Mellema) or Antje van Igle.

The children were: - CLW ( kareltje) Lodeysen, born 24-01-1797, died 27-05-1825 29 year, married - Igle Frederik Lodeizen, born 12-01-1789, was a carpenter. Joint the army of Napoleon. Never returned - Hendrik Lodewijk, born 12-11-1790, died 19-09-1845 -Johannes Jacobus, born 15-11-1792, died 22-12-1840 - Klaas Christiaans, born 31-10-1794, died, 09-04-1828

I hope you can use this information. I read that she was related to gemany, but I cannot find that information. Perhaps later.

I can give you more information about later generations if you are interested. sincerly, Karin--Karin 03:31, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

Hi Karin,

I noticed the extra families that you created yesterday. I merged them all together and added a bit more information: Family:Jan Piebenga and Antje van der Meulen (1). I also renamed the pages to include the full spelling of van der Meulen (rather than v d Meulen). I can understand why you would be curious about your name, since it does not sound typically Frisian :)

Thank you for your additional information on this family! I am not directly related, but I am working on a project (Ferwerderadeel and Leeuwarderadeel Project) to document the inhabitants of these two gemeenten. The great thing about WeRelate is the ability to work together on pages. Please feel free to add information to their person and family pages. I'll keep an eye on your early edits and fine tune them, add sources, etc so you can see how WeRelate works. Also, when you enter dates, you will want to use the D MMM YYYY format (such as 9 Jan 1900). This helps to avoid any confusion. If you have any questions at all, don't hesistate to ask! --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:00, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

p.s. I believe your date above for the birth of Jan Jans Piebenga (06-09-1824) is for a different Jan Piebenga. Jan & Antje's marriage certificate states his parent were Jan Piebenga & Jantje Willems Steenbergen. His birth date was 22 Jan 1828 in Franeker. --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:53, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

Spijker family [17 October 2011]

Have identified two additional brothers for Johann Angelo Felix Marie Spijker and added them to We Relate page however I know there is another brother and a sister who I have not been able to find. Johann Angelo Felix Marie Spijker was my grandfather and I remember his sister my great aunt was known as Riek and was married to Peter deVaal. I beleve she died in late 1990s and at that time lived in Arnhem. I believe the other brother was known as Jan Spijker but never met him or knew much about him. If anyone has run across information about these two siblings, I would appreciate knowing the facts about them. If it is ever helpful to others using We Relate, I speak Dutch and French as well as English. Thank you.--Hilversum 09:43, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

Hello Hilversum, thank you for your note. I added additional siblings, including Jan and Hendrika Berendina Johanna to this family Family:Jan Spijker and Dirkje Spiering (1). I found this information at, the provincial archive for Gelderland. I would suggest that you watch each of the pages (both Person and Family) that you are interested in. You can do that by visiting the page and pressing Watch from the menu at the left. If pages that you watch are changed, you will be notified either by email or on your watchlist depending upon your settings.

Regarding the languages, I would suggest that you add our User Language boxes to your User Page, along with any names and places that you are researching. This will help other users with similar interests find you. Instructions for the language boxes can be found here: Category:Language templates. If you need any help with this just let me know!

Lastly, please consider adding any additional information on the descendants of Person:Johann Spijker (1). Bear in mind that pages for living people are not permitted on WeRelate. --Jennifer (JBS66) 14:32, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

Terpstra [18 October 2011]

Ran across your web sit on We Relate, did a quick search and noticed the Terpstra family. My ancestry is through Kornelis van der Geest and Tjitske Terpstra, my great grandparents, though daughter Ymkje van der Geest (Oma) married Gerardus Johannes Kleinherenbrink (Opa) in 1918 in Bussum where I was born. I have lots of information on the Terpstra family. I'm presently going through each Terpstra family member and locating / downloading their bmd record from, printing it and placing each document with its family group sheet.

Would hubby and me be related?

Then I did a search on the surname Dunning, and found my wife's 6th great grandparents, David Dunning and Hannah Shepard. I have lots of information on this family also, particularly on Abijah Dunning and his wife Elizabeth Gregory who came to Canada c 1790, Abijah is the 3rd child of David and Hannah.

Would you and wifey be related?

Olav 2ulips at rogers dot 15:14, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

Responded to user via email. --Jennifer (JBS66) 15:24, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

[19 October 2011]

Hi Jennifer, Can you tell me how I can change the monthes from number into letters? I have tried to correct the pages, but I failed. Thanks, Karin--Karin 16:27, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

Let me use Person:Aafke Dijkstra (21) as an example. On the menu at the left of her page, there is a link called Edit (Bewerk if you are using WR in Nederlands). Click that to edit her page, change the 11-11-1737 to 11 Nov 1737, scroll down to the bottom and press Save page/Pagina opslaan. You can also edit her death date and location. Regarding the death location, you can begin typing in Nes and wait a second - you will see a list of places beginning with Nes appear. You can then select which Nes it is (ie, in Utingeradeel or Ameland, etc). I hope this helps! --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:42, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

No middle names?? [27 October 2011]

Is there a reason middle names are not recorded?--Ej2468 10:06, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

Hello Ej2468, middle names are recorded on Person pages. They can be entered when editing a page and will appear inside the blue box. Middle names are not, however, included in page titles (only the first and last names are). This helps to keep page titles consistent and avoid duplicate entries. Did I make a change to a particular page of yours that caused concern? --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:09, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

In the merging process, it appears the information is merged in such a way that the name was changed and the middle name eliminated. An existing record and my new record (I looked for duplicates when I created the new one) were merged. I didn't want to just add the middle name back without finding out more.

I feel a little "gun shy". I am new to this site (although not new to genealogy) and have run into several situations where information is changed on purpose to adhere to rules that are not considered 'best practices' by the genealogy community. I didn't know if middle name changes were changed on purpose or by accident.--Ej2468 10:24, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

Can you tell me which page this happened to? I will take a closer look at it. Thanks, --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:29, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

Darthea Fearing is how she's listed now. Darthea Frances Fearing is her full name.--Ej2468 12:26, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

On Person:Darthea Fearing (1) , her middle name does not appear in the page title. Middle names are not added to page titles (the page title is at the top of the screen with the text: Person:Darthea Fearing (1)). However, her middle name does appear in the blue box on the page. The page titles should only have the first and last names - any additional names (alternate spellings, middle names, etc) will appear elsewhere on the page.
I am sorry to hear that you have had experiences that cause you to be "gun shy" about WeRelate. As with any social/collaborative site, there will be individuals with differing opinions and styles of communicating those opinions. If you feel that edits were made by users that are inappropriate, or not in keeping with standard genealogical practices, I suggest that you leave a message on our Support page for thoughts from a wider audience. --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:31, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

Merging two Places [29 October 2011]

I haved found a way to delete the second page for the renamed location. Is there a possibility to merge the two place pages? - Uwe--Uvriss 16:42, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

Only administrator can delete place pages, but users can redirect or add the Speedy Delete template to a page. I'll redirect Place:Rozłazino, Pomorze, Poland for you. I added coordinates and the also-located in text to Place:Roslasin, Pommern, Preußen, Germany. Please feel free to edit that if I've made any errors. --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:48, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

[30 October 2011]

Hi Jennifer,

Thank you for editing. Most details I entered yesterday come from W.Tsj. Vleer, De Spoelstra's, Genealogisch overzicht van alle Friese geslachten Spoelstra ca. 1650-1842. So when I used Aangiftedatum it was because it is in there without further notice (I thought they were Geboortedatums).--JS 07:37, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

Sugarcreek Village, Sugar Creek Township, Tuscarawas County, Ohio [30 October 2011]

Thank you for putting the coordinates for Sugarcreek Township, Tuscarawas, Ohio. I don't know how to do this yet.

Will you please correct these places - I can't figure out how to do it: 1. The village of Sugarcreek is written as one word 2. The township of Sugar Creek is written as two words 3. Both the village & the township are located in Tuscarawas County, Ohio

Thank you,

Rebekah--Rebekah Carlisle 10:56, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

Hi Rebekah, I find the coordinates for places by using either or With ACME mapper, you can enter a place in the search box, press Find, and after it finds your place, you can copy the coordinates from the top of the search box and place each into the longitude and latitude fields on the WR place page. I don't mind adding them though :)

I hadn't noticed that we had a couple of place pages for the township - I merged them into one. Here are the pages for Sugarcreek village and Sugar Creek Township.

--Jennifer (JBS66) 11:09, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

Thank you for correcting & merging the village & township. Thanks also for information on how to add coordinates. I'll try that the next time a enter a new place.

The feedback & help I get from folks has been helpful & encouraging.

Thanks again,

Rebekah--Rebekah Carlisle 14:40, 30 October 2011 (EDT)