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Living people [29 February 2012]

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Edit summary: /* Place Editing Screens */ [1 March 2012]

I put up this question yesterday and Dallan asked if I could expand my problem. The link on my email no longer directs to this conversation, so I am not sure if he can pick up this continuation.

This is the Place: Template as it stands (in italics) with my thoughts as I look at the various questions. I have taken Port Whitby from your database of placenames. It is not a cemetery, but it falls into the same set of problems. (Port Whitby was/is on the shores of Lake Ontario, and was probably a fishing village until it was merged with other communities nearby. I have never been there. There is now a large town or city called Whitby a few miles to the north. It does not show up in your pop-up list of places when I write Whitby.)


Alternate names (one per line): Name|Source I only know of one name for the place. How can I answer this question? Am I allowed to leave it blank? I begin to feel inadequate.


Type: [pull down list, starting with unknown] This is fine, so long as one realizes it is a pull-down list. That pull-down list sure goes on and on.

Latitude: N Longitude: E

I wasn't expecting these questions. I wonder where I can find out? There are no links here to any gazetteer or atlas website. In the case of a cemetery, it won't be obvious on GoogleEarth if it is smaller than a couple of acres and even then it may not be named. What is wanted? The long and lang of the cemetery or of the village? Find-a-Grave hasn't discovered the Canadian "outback" yet. Gravemarkers' Gallery is trying, but it has a long way to go. The funny thing is that when I do get a placename accepted into the database a Google- or Bing-linked map comes up in the top right hand corner. I could have used that to begin with when trying to work out the answer.

Located in Ontario, Ontario, Canada (blued) from year: to year: "from year" Duhh. I wonder when the first settler arrived? 1800? 1825? 1850? Haven't a clue.

to year I know that one. There was a province-wide re-organization of municipalities in 1974.

Also located in (one per line): Place| from year | to year Since I don't always know the names of places after the reorganization, or even where to look for them on the web, I feel even more inadequate.

See also (one per line): Place How can I answer this question? Doesn't it mean almost the same as the previous one?

| Reason: "Because the powers that be decided to change it." But I don't think you'd like that in your database of placenames. Maybe, even after 30 years of doing genealogy, I oughtn't to have joined WeRelate.

Summing up

In the case of cemeteries, we do not always know that it is the community in which the cemetery is located that is not recognized by the database of placenames. When we have completed the template, the phrasing of words on your software does not explain this to us.

Problem 1. I shall have to put the question of adding the cemetery aside until I can add the village (or hamlet). But I can't seem to get out of the Edit screen until I can provide the cemetery with a name which is acceptable to your database.

Problem 2. I am adding a Canadian family and I have not lived in Canada (or even on the American continent) for almost 50 years. The organization of municipalities has changed. I know the names of the former townships, villages and hamlets. But I don't know the names of the "cities" into which a number of townships and hamlets have been merged.

Problem 3. Example. Someone died in 1850 in [hamlet], [township], [county], Canada West and was buried in a local cemetery. But they are now buried in a cemetery in [newtownshipname], [newdistrictname], Ontario. It is the same cemetery. But two different addresses are required to (1) describe the death place in the narrative biography of the person, and (2) describe the cemetery in which someone looking for it will find the grave.

Regards --goldenoldie 12:21, 1 March 2012 (EST)


Hi Goldenoldie. Dallan is not watching your userpage, so it is unlikely he will get this message. The original conversation was here, you would need to place your response there by going to the original topic and clicking on the Edit link. --Jennifer (JBS66) 15:26, 1 March 2012 (EST)


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ArnoldOntario.ged Imported Successfully [15 March 2012]

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Cemetery place pages [19 June 2012]

Hi Goldenoldie, I noticed that you renamed a couple of cemeteries to appear directly under Ontario County. You may already know this, but cemeteries can be a 5-th hierarchy level (ie they can be titled under the town/township in which they are located). If a cemetery straddles multiple towns, they can then be titled directly under the county. --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:31, 19 June 2012 (EDT)


I was trying to collect all the cemeteries for an area (let's not go into local geography here) together. I wouldn't have spotted that Oshawa Union was duplicated if I hadn't started fiddling around. I can put them back. Durham's done! Northumberland next. --goldenoldie 17:10, 19 June 2012 (EDT)


What are we going to do about Toronto? [20 June 2012]

Quoting from Place:Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada: Two part-paragraphs which have been brought in from Wikipedia. I am pretty sure the writer got his facts straight.

In 1954, the City of Toronto and 12 surrounding municipalities were federated into a regional government known as Metropolitan Toronto. The postwar boom had resulted in rapid suburban development, and it was believed that a coordinated land use strategy and shared services would provide greater efficiency for the region. The metropolitan government began to manage services that crossed municipal boundaries, including highways, police services, water and public transit.
In 1967, the seven smallest municipalities of Metropolitan Toronto were merged into their larger neighbours, resulting in a six-municipality configuration that included the old City of Toronto and the surrounding municipalities of East York, Etobicoke, North York, Scarborough and York. In 1998, the metropolitan government was dissolved by the Provincial Government in the face of vigorous opposition from the smaller component municipalities and all six municipalities were amalgamated into a single municipality, creating the current City of Toronto.

Alt Names. None of these, with the exception of Fort Brouille and York, ever described the whole of Toronto. The rest were communities within the pre-1954 boundaries.

We also have another Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada in WR which describes it as a Metropolitan Area. This has a whole lot of contained places, but no description whatsoever. I have already moved two places which are located beyond the boundaries. Getty references don't mix with 1900 in expanding communities. Those references are based on a McNally Atlas of 1994.

In 1900, our marker year, the five surrounding municipalities were all townships within the County of York. Circa 1880 North York, East York and York were all part of the same township--named York, within the county of York. Toronto had not made its first expansion into York in 1900, i.e. its boundaries did not include the "panhandle" that shows up in maps Ontario Archives 1951. (The current boundary of Toronto is the solid line at the top of Etobicoke, York and Scarborough Townships.)

Looking at the individual surrounding municipalities

What I plan to do is as follows:

  • Investigate what other “contained places” exist for Toronto and for York County. There are seven further townships north of that solid line. That’s fine. I haven’t inspected them yet though.
  • Redirect the inhabited place townships to their respective townships.
  • Move the contained places of Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada into Place: Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. Then consider one-by-one whether they should be "contained places" or not.
  • Carefully take my paring knife or blue pencil to the wikipedia quotes for Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Emphasize the 19th century; explain the 20th century.
  • Add geographical descriptions/explanations and Research Tips to everything left.
  • Add WR Places for those seven smaller municipalities that formerly made up Metropolitan Toronto with explanations. Someone might want one of them one day.

Toronto is my home town. Most of my genealogy work has been based on it. Transcribing the 1861 census for Toronto and for York Township taught me a lot of local history and geography.

Incidentally, my own measure of a "community" is does the place have a high school? Even if most of the pupils are bussed in every day, it still is a measure of a hub of population.

I have written most of this for my own benefit, just to analyze the situation. However, any constructive comments will be appreciated. --goldenoldie 07:37, 20 June 2012 (EDT)


Victoria County [5 July 2012]

I appreciate you efforts of sorting out and improving Ontario places. My back yard is Victoria County which has become confusing because of the name change to The City of Kawartha Lakes which tends to be called Kawartha Lakes which happens to be the name of a chain of lakes covering two counties and also the common name for the tourist area surrounding the lakes. I have often wanted to work on Victoria County place names but find I have my hands full with volunteering at the local historical society. If you need help or opinions on my area please contact me. I notice that the City of Kawartha Lakes link brings up the community of Argyle which is in Eldon Township at the extreme west of the county.--50vicar 17:17, 5 July 2012 (EDT)


Mariposa township [15 July 2012]

Hi, it is my intention to slowly add sources that I know can be found within the county of Victoria. I will be meeting some of the local historians this Saturday and will see what they have on hand which isn't on Ancestry or FamilySearch, etc. I will leave sources of the latter type to others and will concentrate on that which is local. Today was just a trial run.--50vicar 20:18, 14 July 2012 (EDT)


Map pins for Renfrew County [23 July 2012]

You have been making a lot of updates to Renfrew County locations and are improving the data. However if you look at the map associated with Renfrew County there is a second pin in Asia. It appears that Greater Madawaska has an incorrect set of coordinates.

Thanks Rick--RGMoffat 13:04, 23 July 2012 (EDT)


I spotted it as I was closing down to prepare dinner. Doubtless it occurred in that last 5 minutes when I was watching the clock. I have every intention of fixing it ASAP.

Meanwhile, I am finding numerous "combined townships": Alice and Fraser, Brudenell and Lyndoch, Hagarty and Jones, Radcliffe and Raglan (or is it Raglan and Radcliff--it was in the list both ways), and several more. Do you have any idea when these paired townships were set up, or were they all just convenient census divisions?

--goldenoldie 13:59, 23 July 2012 (EDT)


Template, link, etc [23 July 2012]

Hi. I like the idea of a template but first I wanted to get a feel for the quantity and type of local resources. I'm finding there are more than I had expected and some are only available locally. If you want to move things around on Mariposa, please do and I will try to follow the example when I get to other Townships. With respect to that Kawartha Lakes/Argyle link I can't figure out how you fixed it and would like to know. It exists elsewhere, for instance at Bobcaygeon. Scratch the previous sentence, I just figured it out.--50vicar 13:55, 23 July 2012 (EDT)


Have you checked Bobcaygeon in the past twelve hours? I fixed the template "Wp-Mariposa, Ontario". That is, I looked up the template by "searching" for it and clicked "edit". The offending item said Place:Argyle, Mariposa, Victoria, Ontario, Canada before I changed it. How it got there? Who knows? Could have been me in "learning mode" a month ago.

--goldenoldie 14:07, 23 July 2012 (EDT)


That's the beauty of templates. You only have to fix them once. (smile)--goldenoldie 14:08, 23 July 2012 (EDT)


Hugh Aitken [12 October 2012]

You recently changed Hugh Aitken's place of birth from Dromara to Dromore. Dromara is not a spelling mistake. It is a different place than the town of Dromore.--Lois sparling 00:20, 12 October 2012 (EDT)


Hello [15 October 2012]

I don't mind - jump in on the WR "place patrol" on the UK. More the merrier - you will not intruding.

Colin--Colin Madge 08:31, 15 October 2012 (EDT)


Happy Guy Fawkes Day [4 November 2012]

I checked for a person page for Guy Fawkes and found that there wasn't one, so I did some quick research and created some pages for him, his parents and siblings. I have learned a bit more about him. In Canada, we learned about him in school, but did not celebrate the holiday.

My memory was not too good. I guess I considered and rejected "ggrave" as the template name. It is "Canadian Gravemarker Gallery" It seemed a logical choice.

Rick--RGMoffat 23:39, 3 November 2012 (EDT)


Rossiter Genealogy [9 December 2012]

Hello Goldenoldie: You appear to have made a large number of edits to my family line today. I was notified of these changes in my email this morning (10 Dec 2012 NZDST). I have not used this site since first uploading a gedcom in 2007, as I was not entirely happy with the T&C for the site. I would have removed the files at that time but could not find a method to do that. I haven't been back here since that time until today. The site does appear to have improved, but I am still not convinced about the degree of freedom of access to information here. Are you a long-time user of this site, and are you happy with the controls as they exist here? Having said all that, you appear to have made about 60 or more edits in the last 24 hours. You appear to have information on quite a few branches of my family. I have not yet gone to all the changes to see what has been changed. Are you a researcher of the Rossiter or Mattocks families, or were these changes as a result of other work you have done? I can be reached directly through my normal email address: pat (at) hyperion.co.nz. My email address has been "scraped" from other sites and I have a lot of trouble with spam, but I am sure you will know how to translate the address shown. Perhaps if you tried to contact me earlier your message may have been improperly classified and lost. best regards Pat--PatrickRossiter 14:54, 9 December 2012 (EST)


James McDermott [18 December 2012]

Goldenoldie,

There are evidently two Saint Andrews Cemeteries in Grand Rapids, one is Catholic, the other, the Episcopalian one, is evidently just a garden where people's ashes have been deposited. Looking at his page, I suspect James McDermott was buried in the Catholic cemetery. Would you agree? I should be able to find a death certificate for him which may confirm that. (OK, it just calls it St. Andrews Cemetery, but knowing the two neighborhoods, the Episcopal Cemetery is much newer.) --Pkeegstra 17:29, 18 December 2012 (EST)

P.S. 1900 census and death certificate both have Mary's birthplace as Canada. What do you say? --Pkeegstra 17:33, 18 December 2012 (EST)


cornelius healy [26 December 2012]

Season greetings from Mallow county Cork. I noticed some changes to the profile of my great grand parents Cornelius Healy and Honora Millard are you related? I am also very interested to know how you found the information.


Regards, Annemarie Healy Mallow.Cork.Ireland--Kalishoek 09:59, 26 December 2012 (EST)


And a Merry Christmas to you.

No, I am not related to your family. I am doing a general housecleaning operation on places (not people) that led me to Cornelius so I changed Mallow, Cork to Mallow, County Cork in keeping with the way WeRelate likes to structure the counties of Ireland. Hope you don't mind.

--goldenoldie 10:06, 26 December 2012 (EST)


"Wanted Places" become worthwhile [15 January 2013]

A week ago I decided to fix a group of about 60 “Wanted Places” which were labelled “York Co., Ont.” I knew immediately they should read “York, Ontario, Canada” and figured it would be a quick “replacement-with-paste” exercise.

When I got to the list of people involved I found they all had the same surname, Keffer--a name that is well-known in Ontario genealogy circles and, therefore, a group that deserve to be better represented on WeRelate. The earliest members had moved up to Vaughan Township in York County from Pennsylvania in the early years of the 19th century.

I spent the week inspecting censuses on Ancestry in an attempt to pull all sorts of information on the Keffer family together. Taking the move from Pennsylvania as “ground level”, the tree was one that split at the root. The migrants appeared to be equally as likely to be cousins as brothers, each producing families of eight or nine. Finding a Keffer marrying a Keffer happened more than once and was not necessarily a marriage of first cousins.

I soon found that three members of this family had married girls by the name of Quantz from the neighbouring township of Markham. A sister of my great-great grandmother had married George Quantz in 1835. George Quantz was witness to one of the Keffer-Quantz marriages. I began to wonder if I could confirm a relationship between the families.

Yesterday I started working on the deaths. Ontario death registrations vary with time in the amount of family information they provide. By about 1915 they request the names and birthplaces of the parents of the deceased. A list of deceased female Keffers yielded Margaret (born Markham) aged 89 when she died in 1921. Her parents, Frederick Quance and Elizabeth Ritter, match those of the George Quantz in my tree. Yippee!

--goldenoldie 15:40, 14 January 2013 (EST)


Interesting. There was a Quantz (spelling?) family on Roseview Ave., Richmond Hill, my home town, back in the 1940s - 50s.--50vicar 16:42, 14 January 2013 (EST)


Very interesting - I had a problem / wrong family on my own tree and I'm going to have alot of deleting. Too many Morts in Lancashire Colin



Source:Ontario, Canada. Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927 [6 February 2013]

FYI, I changed Source:Ontario, Canada. Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927 back from the redirect you added since the source is distinct (though closely related). I also added a link on that page to the main Source:Ontario, Canada. Marriages - Registrations, 1869-1928 page, which should be almost as good while maintaining the distinction. --Robert.shaw 16:55, 28 January 2013 (EST)


I stumbled across the Ontario Vital Statistics Project marriages (again, probably) and thought I'd add a link since they have more entry data than the FamilySearch index does, which is helpful. Thanks for your part in transcribing; each bit contributes. It's a shame the St James Cathedral index has been "disappeared"; I imagine the church might be trying to hoard the data as a revenue source (which seems to be typical in Britain). My relatives don't seem to have been in Toronto, but the point is to have all such data freely available. --Robert.shaw 13:58, 6 February 2013 (EST)


Place names: Stoneyhill and Cowpits in Inveresk parish [23 March 2013]

Hello Goldenoldie: Stoneyhill and Cowpits were, indeed, real places in Midlothian (Inveresk parish). They were small coalmining villages. [1] Scroll down to the map near the very bottom of the screen.--Lana a2000 12:49, 17 March 2013 (EDT) Best regards, Lana


Coal Pit was another mining hamlet just across River Esk west from Cowpits (both in Inveresk parish). If you look at the same map that shows Stonyhill and Cowpits, you will see it. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~archibald/James%20Agnes%20Archibald/The%20Prologue.html--Lana a2000 22:42, 20 March 2013 (EDT)


You can view an ordnance map of the Edinburgh area (from 1856) that gives a closeup of Stoneyhill, Cowpits and Coal Pit, all in Inveresk parish. http://maps.nls.uk/os/view/?sid=74488698 Coal pit is actually closer to Stoneyhill than it is to Cowpits. There was not a mis-transcription of the name. I don't believe many people lived at Coal pit, it may have been only a few shacks, but there were coalmining families there at one time. You can hold down your SHIFT key and use your mouse to draw a square around the area to enlarge, to get it really detailed and close up. View the area just south, southwest and west of Musselburgh.--Lana a2000 21:39, 22 March 2013 (EDT)


Your reply about helping me with a Place name change. [6 April 2013]

Thanks for the suggestion to use "rename". lol I somehow missed that. However, when I attempt to do so, I can't do it and get this response:

The "located in" place (the place after the first comma in the title) is not found. You need to create that place first.

Any further help you could provide would be much appreciated.

I live in Toronto. Born in Ottawa. I've been in Toronto for about 30 years now. My use of 1961 is my birth date...which is perhaps obvious. :)

Talk to you soon. Bye for now.--Jeff1961 18:13, 6 April 2013 (EDT)


Surname Categories [7 May 2013]

Hi, Goldenoldie

I've appreciated a number of comments you've made at various times. I think it's a shame the surname categories are being removed. I haven't really used them to find anything, but always enjoy just checking, and could certainly see their potential. I think it's clear that a number of people use them. The real problems seem more to be with the automatic categories created by Source pages, which were (and in some ways still are) a mess.

And good to see you raise the Canadian flag now and then. --GayelKnott 03:31, 7 May 2013 (EDT) (in Vancouver, BC)


Deleting Pages [7 May 2013]

Hi, Pat,

Since I'm the immigrant to Canada, I understand the dual flags. As for deleting pages, if you give me a list of at least a few pages, I will see what I can do. I still sometimes feel uncomfortable deleting other people's pages, but these would be ones you don't want to keep. --GayelKnott 23:58, 7 May 2013 (EDT)


Facets and mistaken identity [10 May 2013]

There are some examples in the discussion thread now, so they are in context. I am not an admin. I am just another contributor; I've no access to admin tools or information other than what you have access to. On Wikipedia, though, that's another matter; I am an admin there. Regards --ceyockey 17:44, 10 May 2013 (EDT)

Oops -- my apologies, it wasn't my user page. Paint me chagrined. Sorry about that.--GayelKnott 22:15, 10 May 2013 (EDT)

Sources [16 May 2013]

HI

What's your source for this image: Image:Wigtownshire2.png Also, what is the date for these boundaries? is this modern or does this display the boundaries at some earlier date?--Q 11:13, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

Hi I found the original map through a website called Scotland's Family (www.scotlandsfamily.com). It was one of several which altogether covered the whole of Scotland. There is a credit to the Scottish Genealogy Society on each of the maps. This particular map covered Dumfries and Galloway Council Area, but others were more dependent on how much of Scotland comfortably fit on a basic A4 (close to 8-1/2" x 11") page. I have broken them down into counties, and retraced and retitled them in order to get them to a readable size at the top of a WeRelate page. So, they are, in part, my own work. The purpose was to provide a better picture of the location of parishes than words can express, to supply people with hints as to which parishes are adjacent to each other.

The boundaries shown are those between the parishes prior to 1975. In the Council Areas (in existence since 1996) the divisions are known as wards rather than parishes and there has definitely been some combining of thinly populated parishes into single wards.

From what I can make out, some counties were not officially delineated until 1890, but counties were counties way before that. I have not investigated boundary changes that might have occurred between one 19th century census and the next.

Trust I have answered your query. (Pat)--goldenoldie 12:10, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

I presume then that you are [pmj] as shown on the image page as the copyright holder. Perhaps it would be useful to note that pmj released the rights (assuming that's true.) Q 13:38, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

Pmj, which is me, ticked the box as copyright holder.

Maybe, if I understood all the verbiage on the page about who holds copyright, including all the definitions of all the abbreviations, and knew where to find reference to their meanings outside the United States of America, I might have answered differently. As it was, I posed that question on Watercooler before uploading any maps. There, I was told, in not so many words, "Go for it." --goldenoldie 14:14, 16 May 2013 (EDT)


What makes Immanuel Cemetery unique? [5 July 2013]

It is the only Renfrew County Ontario cemetery to appear in the contained places list for this county.--RGMoffat 00:57, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

FWIW, Immanuel Baptist Cemetery is specified directly under Renfrew County. All the other cemeteries in Renfrew County, e.g. Albert Street Cemetery, are specified in terms of cities or towns in the county. For US counties with lists of cemeteries which are not too intimidatingly long, it is an accepted practice to specify the county as "also located in" so that the cemetery primary location is in the city or township but that it also shows up on the county page. If there is a town which can be associated with Immanuel Baptist Cemetery, the preferred practice would be for it too to be renamed to be a subpage of a town and then "also located in" Renfrew County. (I know essentially nothing about Renfrew County, so I can't help with telling you what town might be most appropriate. I see that FindAGrave mentions both Killaloe and Hagarty Township.) --Pkeegstra 06:56, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
I have just added a new source, Source:Canada GenWeb. Cemeteries Project, which needs some work from someone more skilled in presenting sources. The beauty of this website is its attempt to collect together all Canada's cemeteries, complete with addresses and denominations covered. I have just used it to check out Immanuel Baptist Cemetery and will insert it, complete with address, under Killaloe immediately. (Killaloe was situated in Hagarty Township in the good old days circa 1900 when villages were in townships.) --Goldenoldie 14:14, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

Living persons [18 July 2013]

You asked if the page I referenced was new - it dates back to 2011 as shown in this edit: [2]. I thought it would be better to answer here as it was a bit tangential to the conversation! AndrewRT 14:44, 18 July 2013 (EDT)


Bagby Chapelry, England [5 August 2013]

Any suggestions on how I should format a place for this? It is referenced in Kirby Knowle parish registers.

Rick--RGMoffat 13:41, 5 August 2013 (EDT)


Featured place [14 September 2013]

I would like to nominate your article on Place: Hulcott, Buckinghamshire, England as a featured place as I saw it recently and it looks like a good example of the kind of research aid that is very useful as a place page. I hope you don't object. Can I ask if you have any other place pages that you have been working on that are as good, or better, examples of this that could also be nominated? AndrewRT 15:20, 1 September 2013 (EDT) --- I second the nomination!!! --- I've nominated it at WeRelate:Featured_page_nominations - it's now up to Delijim to decide if he wants to put it on the main page. AndrewRT 04:54, 14 September 2013 (EDT)


Have you returned? [17 December 2013]

I've seen you around again! Does this mean you're back from hiatus? Healthy and with everything where it belongs as it were?

I do enjoy seeing your edits show up on my watch list!

--jrm03063 19:38, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


I wasn't away for long. But there are times when I don't reply. Either there are other priorities or I'm not in the mood for composing an answer. (And sometimes both.)

As you know most of my work is with places. But to break the monotony I will inspect "What links here" and see what messes other people have made. You might call it "reducing the red". When entries give birthdates on the far side of 1600 or so I am pretty careful, but what should we do with entries that give a birthplace like "of Helmsley, Yorkshire, England"? Should the places really be residences rather than birthplaces, or what? In the same vein, what should we do with double commas? (I found an "of" in a marriage place today. It did look stupid.)

I now have one good eye. I can now drive again and it's really great not to be confined to the village we live in any more. The other eye will be fixed sometime early in the new year.

/cheers --Goldenoldie 19:55, 16 December 2013 (

I really think that "of" should be an undated residence - and that's what I do with those generally. However, if there's another fact for the person, that has both a location and a source (and the "of" location is unsourced) - then I'll often just drop the "of" location entirely. When I see forms that include extra commas, I do try to eliminate those (the extra commas that is).
A friend of mine recently returned to driving after an eye-related issue kept her off the road for the last year. She's finding it to be....interesting! Hope your environs are populated with operators of some....sanity?!?
My best for the holidays! --jrm03063 20:13, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. 'Twill be put to use.

Do you ever check British History Online (the Victoria County Histories) for background material on your pre-1700 people? It's not there for every county, but when it is, it can provide extensive pedigrees.

Merry Christmas --Goldenoldie 07:14, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I'll keep British History Online in-mind. I havn't seen it before - but will try to bring it into play. I have a companion out there these days - Werebear - he's been bringing in other materials and also doing work in appropriate native languages. Keep an eye out - I think you'll like what you see from him. --jrm03063 13:13, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

One Place Studies [24 February 2014]

Hi, Golden Oldie,

One Place Studies Ran across this site -- made me think of you, although it is quite new and not much on it. Don't know if it's of interest or not, but there it is. --~~--GayelKnott 19:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Glad there was something there for you. Also too bad there can't be some sort of hook-up, as there are at least a couple of one-place studies on WeRelate. And thanks for the heads-up on the copyright article. I have a friend who will be very interested in it. --GayelKnott 03:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Great to meet another user with Ontario interests and background [16 March 2014]

Hi,

Thanks for your note. I have run across some of the issues you mentioned and was wondering what I could contribute, although it seems like waiting for some policy clarity would be worthwhile if efforts would otherwise be undone by admins (and in cases where an entire country is needed, it really should start at the admin level).

You know they say that if two people can trace their families back to before 1900 in Toronto, the odds are they are related.

Nice to meet you, and congratulations on moving to the UK, minus 8 degrees here at the moment,

Artefacts--Artefacts 21:10, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


Davies family [19 April 2014]

Hello,

I put some of my family tree up on WeRelate in 2007, but have not used that site recently. I was notified that you have made changes to several of the Davies pages, including my great-grandparents, John Davies and Esther Letitia Brown.

It is interesting that in your profile you state that you are from Toronto originally and moved to England. Esther and her family moved to Toronto after the death of John. I have looked at the families you have on WeRelate but do not see where you fit in with my family. Can you help me out?

It is so long since I've used this site that I am having trouble navigating through the pages.

Joan Lightfoot, granddaughter of William Duckworth Davies Comox, BC, Canada--Joanl 19:25, 19 April 2014 (UTC)


rounding lat/long values [21 June 2014]

Hi - just curious as to why you have rounded the last/long values on the St Thomas-by Launceston page? Cheers - Paula--Wongers 13:24, 21 June 2014 (UTC)


[5 July 2014]

Goldenoldie,

You've been making some changes to my tree this evening. Most are fine. But you just changed the birthplace of William Brailey from Hingworly to Holsworthy. I have just re-checked the census entry and it definitely says Hingworly although that place doesn't seem to exist. Have you just made a guess or do you have some new information?--4foster 19:31, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


[5 July 2014]

Goldenoldie,

You've been making some changes to my tree this evening. Most are fine. But you just changed the birthplace of William Brailey from Hingworly to Holsworthy. I have just re-checked the census entry and it definitely says Hingworly although that place doesn't seem to exist. Have you just made a guess or do you have some new information?--4foster 19:31, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


Alexander Kennedy [13 July 2014]

Please review the changes I have made to the family of Alexander Kennedy and Jane McEwan. It is unrealistic to think that a family from urban Edinburgh,Scotland would reside in the rural environment of Dull, Perthshire, Scotland. I was one of the guilty parties that created the false Edinburgh pedigree of Alexander and Jane. The changes I made to this family represents the collective research of several of us working in the parish of Dull. The finding of Alexander having a prior marriage is big. His son Hugh, in this marriage ties Alexander to a father named Hugh - and it allows us to find his correct christening with a father named Hugh.--regivens 17:17, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

This is not in my tree.


OK - no problem but thank you for pushing me into updating this family with information I already had.--regivens 05:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


Gedcom review [27 July 2014]

Hi. We're back from vacation. I noticed that you reviewed a couple of gedcoms. My-Family-17-Jul-2014 (1).ged is in user review so I assume you rejected. If this is the case could you please leave them a message and say tell them why.

As for NORWORTH-1879.ged, it's not that unusual for new people to upload a very small gedcom to kinda test drive the system. I figure that is what this person is doing. There is nothing wrong with the single name so I uploaded.

Have you seen many gedcoms while I was gone?

Thanks for all your time, --sq 22:46, 27 July 2014 (UTC)