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Living people [29 February 2012]

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Edit summary: /* Place Editing Screens */ [1 March 2012]

I put up this question yesterday and Dallan asked if I could expand my problem. The link on my email no longer directs to this conversation, so I am not sure if he can pick up this continuation.

This is the Place: Template as it stands (in italics) with my thoughts as I look at the various questions. I have taken Port Whitby from your database of placenames. It is not a cemetery, but it falls into the same set of problems. (Port Whitby was/is on the shores of Lake Ontario, and was probably a fishing village until it was merged with other communities nearby. I have never been there. There is now a large town or city called Whitby a few miles to the north. It does not show up in your pop-up list of places when I write Whitby.)


Alternate names (one per line): Name|Source I only know of one name for the place. How can I answer this question? Am I allowed to leave it blank? I begin to feel inadequate.


Type: [pull down list, starting with unknown] This is fine, so long as one realizes it is a pull-down list. That pull-down list sure goes on and on.

Latitude: N Longitude: E

I wasn't expecting these questions. I wonder where I can find out? There are no links here to any gazetteer or atlas website. In the case of a cemetery, it won't be obvious on GoogleEarth if it is smaller than a couple of acres and even then it may not be named. What is wanted? The long and lang of the cemetery or of the village? Find-a-Grave hasn't discovered the Canadian "outback" yet. Gravemarkers' Gallery is trying, but it has a long way to go. The funny thing is that when I do get a placename accepted into the database a Google- or Bing-linked map comes up in the top right hand corner. I could have used that to begin with when trying to work out the answer.

Located in Ontario, Ontario, Canada (blued) from year: to year: "from year" Duhh. I wonder when the first settler arrived? 1800? 1825? 1850? Haven't a clue.

to year I know that one. There was a province-wide re-organization of municipalities in 1974.

Also located in (one per line): Place| from year | to year Since I don't always know the names of places after the reorganization, or even where to look for them on the web, I feel even more inadequate.

See also (one per line): Place How can I answer this question? Doesn't it mean almost the same as the previous one?

| Reason: "Because the powers that be decided to change it." But I don't think you'd like that in your database of placenames. Maybe, even after 30 years of doing genealogy, I oughtn't to have joined WeRelate.

Summing up

In the case of cemeteries, we do not always know that it is the community in which the cemetery is located that is not recognized by the database of placenames. When we have completed the template, the phrasing of words on your software does not explain this to us.

Problem 1. I shall have to put the question of adding the cemetery aside until I can add the village (or hamlet). But I can't seem to get out of the Edit screen until I can provide the cemetery with a name which is acceptable to your database.

Problem 2. I am adding a Canadian family and I have not lived in Canada (or even on the American continent) for almost 50 years. The organization of municipalities has changed. I know the names of the former townships, villages and hamlets. But I don't know the names of the "cities" into which a number of townships and hamlets have been merged.

Problem 3. Example. Someone died in 1850 in [hamlet], [township], [county], Canada West and was buried in a local cemetery. But they are now buried in a cemetery in [newtownshipname], [newdistrictname], Ontario. It is the same cemetery. But two different addresses are required to (1) describe the death place in the narrative biography of the person, and (2) describe the cemetery in which someone looking for it will find the grave.

Regards --goldenoldie 12:21, 1 March 2012 (EST)


Hi Goldenoldie. Dallan is not watching your userpage, so it is unlikely he will get this message. The original conversation was here, you would need to place your response there by going to the original topic and clicking on the Edit link. --Jennifer (JBS66) 15:26, 1 March 2012 (EST)


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ArnoldOntario.ged Imported Successfully [15 March 2012]

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Cemetery place pages [19 June 2012]

Hi Goldenoldie, I noticed that you renamed a couple of cemeteries to appear directly under Ontario County. You may already know this, but cemeteries can be a 5-th hierarchy level (ie they can be titled under the town/township in which they are located). If a cemetery straddles multiple towns, they can then be titled directly under the county. --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:31, 19 June 2012 (EDT)


I was trying to collect all the cemeteries for an area (let's not go into local geography here) together. I wouldn't have spotted that Oshawa Union was duplicated if I hadn't started fiddling around. I can put them back. Durham's done! Northumberland next. --goldenoldie 17:10, 19 June 2012 (EDT)


What are we going to do about Toronto? [20 June 2012]

Quoting from Place:Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada: Two part-paragraphs which have been brought in from Wikipedia. I am pretty sure the writer got his facts straight.

In 1954, the City of Toronto and 12 surrounding municipalities were federated into a regional government known as Metropolitan Toronto. The postwar boom had resulted in rapid suburban development, and it was believed that a coordinated land use strategy and shared services would provide greater efficiency for the region. The metropolitan government began to manage services that crossed municipal boundaries, including highways, police services, water and public transit.
In 1967, the seven smallest municipalities of Metropolitan Toronto were merged into their larger neighbours, resulting in a six-municipality configuration that included the old City of Toronto and the surrounding municipalities of East York, Etobicoke, North York, Scarborough and York. In 1998, the metropolitan government was dissolved by the Provincial Government in the face of vigorous opposition from the smaller component municipalities and all six municipalities were amalgamated into a single municipality, creating the current City of Toronto.

Alt Names. None of these, with the exception of Fort Brouille and York, ever described the whole of Toronto. The rest were communities within the pre-1954 boundaries.

We also have another Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada in WR which describes it as a Metropolitan Area. This has a whole lot of contained places, but no description whatsoever. I have already moved two places which are located beyond the boundaries. Getty references don't mix with 1900 in expanding communities. Those references are based on a McNally Atlas of 1994.

In 1900, our marker year, the five surrounding municipalities were all townships within the County of York. Circa 1880 North York, East York and York were all part of the same township--named York, within the county of York. Toronto had not made its first expansion into York in 1900, i.e. its boundaries did not include the "panhandle" that shows up in maps Ontario Archives 1951. (The current boundary of Toronto is the solid line at the top of Etobicoke, York and Scarborough Townships.)

Looking at the individual surrounding municipalities

What I plan to do is as follows:

  • Investigate what other “contained places” exist for Toronto and for York County. There are seven further townships north of that solid line. That’s fine. I haven’t inspected them yet though.
  • Redirect the inhabited place townships to their respective townships.
  • Move the contained places of Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada into Place: Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. Then consider one-by-one whether they should be "contained places" or not.
  • Carefully take my paring knife or blue pencil to the wikipedia quotes for Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Emphasize the 19th century; explain the 20th century.
  • Add geographical descriptions/explanations and Research Tips to everything left.
  • Add WR Places for those seven smaller municipalities that formerly made up Metropolitan Toronto with explanations. Someone might want one of them one day.

Toronto is my home town. Most of my genealogy work has been based on it. Transcribing the 1861 census for Toronto and for York Township taught me a lot of local history and geography.

Incidentally, my own measure of a "community" is does the place have a high school? Even if most of the pupils are bussed in every day, it still is a measure of a hub of population.

I have written most of this for my own benefit, just to analyze the situation. However, any constructive comments will be appreciated. --goldenoldie 07:37, 20 June 2012 (EDT)


Victoria County [5 July 2012]

I appreciate you efforts of sorting out and improving Ontario places. My back yard is Victoria County which has become confusing because of the name change to The City of Kawartha Lakes which tends to be called Kawartha Lakes which happens to be the name of a chain of lakes covering two counties and also the common name for the tourist area surrounding the lakes. I have often wanted to work on Victoria County place names but find I have my hands full with volunteering at the local historical society. If you need help or opinions on my area please contact me. I notice that the City of Kawartha Lakes link brings up the community of Argyle which is in Eldon Township at the extreme west of the county.--50vicar 17:17, 5 July 2012 (EDT)


Mariposa township [15 July 2012]

Hi, it is my intention to slowly add sources that I know can be found within the county of Victoria. I will be meeting some of the local historians this Saturday and will see what they have on hand which isn't on Ancestry or FamilySearch, etc. I will leave sources of the latter type to others and will concentrate on that which is local. Today was just a trial run.--50vicar 20:18, 14 July 2012 (EDT)


Map pins for Renfrew County [23 July 2012]

You have been making a lot of updates to Renfrew County locations and are improving the data. However if you look at the map associated with Renfrew County there is a second pin in Asia. It appears that Greater Madawaska has an incorrect set of coordinates.

Thanks Rick--RGMoffat 13:04, 23 July 2012 (EDT)


I spotted it as I was closing down to prepare dinner. Doubtless it occurred in that last 5 minutes when I was watching the clock. I have every intention of fixing it ASAP.

Meanwhile, I am finding numerous "combined townships": Alice and Fraser, Brudenell and Lyndoch, Hagarty and Jones, Radcliffe and Raglan (or is it Raglan and Radcliff--it was in the list both ways), and several more. Do you have any idea when these paired townships were set up, or were they all just convenient census divisions?

--goldenoldie 13:59, 23 July 2012 (EDT)


Template, link, etc [23 July 2012]

Hi. I like the idea of a template but first I wanted to get a feel for the quantity and type of local resources. I'm finding there are more than I had expected and some are only available locally. If you want to move things around on Mariposa, please do and I will try to follow the example when I get to other Townships. With respect to that Kawartha Lakes/Argyle link I can't figure out how you fixed it and would like to know. It exists elsewhere, for instance at Bobcaygeon. Scratch the previous sentence, I just figured it out.--50vicar 13:55, 23 July 2012 (EDT)


Have you checked Bobcaygeon in the past twelve hours? I fixed the template "Wp-Mariposa, Ontario". That is, I looked up the template by "searching" for it and clicked "edit". The offending item said Place:Argyle, Mariposa, Victoria, Ontario, Canada before I changed it. How it got there? Who knows? Could have been me in "learning mode" a month ago.

--goldenoldie 14:07, 23 July 2012 (EDT)


That's the beauty of templates. You only have to fix them once. (smile)--goldenoldie 14:08, 23 July 2012 (EDT)


Hugh Aitken [12 October 2012]

You recently changed Hugh Aitken's place of birth from Dromara to Dromore. Dromara is not a spelling mistake. It is a different place than the town of Dromore.--Lois sparling 00:20, 12 October 2012 (EDT)


Hello [15 October 2012]

I don't mind - jump in on the WR "place patrol" on the UK. More the merrier - you will not intruding.

Colin--Colin Madge 08:31, 15 October 2012 (EDT)


Happy Guy Fawkes Day [4 November 2012]

I checked for a person page for Guy Fawkes and found that there wasn't one, so I did some quick research and created some pages for him, his parents and siblings. I have learned a bit more about him. In Canada, we learned about him in school, but did not celebrate the holiday.

My memory was not too good. I guess I considered and rejected "ggrave" as the template name. It is "Canadian Gravemarker Gallery" It seemed a logical choice.

Rick--RGMoffat 23:39, 3 November 2012 (EDT)


Rossiter Genealogy [9 December 2012]

Hello Goldenoldie: You appear to have made a large number of edits to my family line today. I was notified of these changes in my email this morning (10 Dec 2012 NZDST). I have not used this site since first uploading a gedcom in 2007, as I was not entirely happy with the T&C for the site. I would have removed the files at that time but could not find a method to do that. I haven't been back here since that time until today. The site does appear to have improved, but I am still not convinced about the degree of freedom of access to information here. Are you a long-time user of this site, and are you happy with the controls as they exist here? Having said all that, you appear to have made about 60 or more edits in the last 24 hours. You appear to have information on quite a few branches of my family. I have not yet gone to all the changes to see what has been changed. Are you a researcher of the Rossiter or Mattocks families, or were these changes as a result of other work you have done? I can be reached directly through my normal email address: pat (at) hyperion.co.nz. My email address has been "scraped" from other sites and I have a lot of trouble with spam, but I am sure you will know how to translate the address shown. Perhaps if you tried to contact me earlier your message may have been improperly classified and lost. best regards Pat--PatrickRossiter 14:54, 9 December 2012 (EST)


James McDermott [18 December 2012]

Goldenoldie,

There are evidently two Saint Andrews Cemeteries in Grand Rapids, one is Catholic, the other, the Episcopalian one, is evidently just a garden where people's ashes have been deposited. Looking at his page, I suspect James McDermott was buried in the Catholic cemetery. Would you agree? I should be able to find a death certificate for him which may confirm that. (OK, it just calls it St. Andrews Cemetery, but knowing the two neighborhoods, the Episcopal Cemetery is much newer.) --Pkeegstra 17:29, 18 December 2012 (EST)

P.S. 1900 census and death certificate both have Mary's birthplace as Canada. What do you say? --Pkeegstra 17:33, 18 December 2012 (EST)


cornelius healy [26 December 2012]

Season greetings from Mallow county Cork. I noticed some changes to the profile of my great grand parents Cornelius Healy and Honora Millard are you related? I am also very interested to know how you found the information.


Regards, Annemarie Healy Mallow.Cork.Ireland--Kalishoek 09:59, 26 December 2012 (EST)


And a Merry Christmas to you.

No, I am not related to your family. I am doing a general housecleaning operation on places (not people) that led me to Cornelius so I changed Mallow, Cork to Mallow, County Cork in keeping with the way WeRelate likes to structure the counties of Ireland. Hope you don't mind.

--goldenoldie 10:06, 26 December 2012 (EST)


"Wanted Places" become worthwhile [15 January 2013]

A week ago I decided to fix a group of about 60 “Wanted Places” which were labelled “York Co., Ont.” I knew immediately they should read “York, Ontario, Canada” and figured it would be a quick “replacement-with-paste” exercise.

When I got to the list of people involved I found they all had the same surname, Keffer--a name that is well-known in Ontario genealogy circles and, therefore, a group that deserve to be better represented on WeRelate. The earliest members had moved up to Vaughan Township in York County from Pennsylvania in the early years of the 19th century.

I spent the week inspecting censuses on Ancestry in an attempt to pull all sorts of information on the Keffer family together. Taking the move from Pennsylvania as “ground level”, the tree was one that split at the root. The migrants appeared to be equally as likely to be cousins as brothers, each producing families of eight or nine. Finding a Keffer marrying a Keffer happened more than once and was not necessarily a marriage of first cousins.

I soon found that three members of this family had married girls by the name of Quantz from the neighbouring township of Markham. A sister of my great-great grandmother had married George Quantz in 1835. George Quantz was witness to one of the Keffer-Quantz marriages. I began to wonder if I could confirm a relationship between the families.

Yesterday I started working on the deaths. Ontario death registrations vary with time in the amount of family information they provide. By about 1915 they request the names and birthplaces of the parents of the deceased. A list of deceased female Keffers yielded Margaret (born Markham) aged 89 when she died in 1921. Her parents, Frederick Quance and Elizabeth Ritter, match those of the George Quantz in my tree. Yippee!

--goldenoldie 15:40, 14 January 2013 (EST)


Interesting. There was a Quantz (spelling?) family on Roseview Ave., Richmond Hill, my home town, back in the 1940s - 50s.--50vicar 16:42, 14 January 2013 (EST)


Very interesting - I had a problem / wrong family on my own tree and I'm going to have alot of deleting. Too many Morts in Lancashire Colin



Source:Ontario, Canada. Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927 [6 February 2013]

FYI, I changed Source:Ontario, Canada. Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927 back from the redirect you added since the source is distinct (though closely related). I also added a link on that page to the main Source:Ontario, Canada. Marriages - Registrations, 1869-1928 page, which should be almost as good while maintaining the distinction. --Robert.shaw 16:55, 28 January 2013 (EST)


I stumbled across the Ontario Vital Statistics Project marriages (again, probably) and thought I'd add a link since they have more entry data than the FamilySearch index does, which is helpful. Thanks for your part in transcribing; each bit contributes. It's a shame the St James Cathedral index has been "disappeared"; I imagine the church might be trying to hoard the data as a revenue source (which seems to be typical in Britain). My relatives don't seem to have been in Toronto, but the point is to have all such data freely available. --Robert.shaw 13:58, 6 February 2013 (EST)


Place names: Stoneyhill and Cowpits in Inveresk parish [23 March 2013]

Hello Goldenoldie: Stoneyhill and Cowpits were, indeed, real places in Midlothian (Inveresk parish). They were small coalmining villages. [1] Scroll down to the map near the very bottom of the screen.--Lana a2000 12:49, 17 March 2013 (EDT) Best regards, Lana


Coal Pit was another mining hamlet just across River Esk west from Cowpits (both in Inveresk parish). If you look at the same map that shows Stonyhill and Cowpits, you will see it. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~archibald/James%20Agnes%20Archibald/The%20Prologue.html--Lana a2000 22:42, 20 March 2013 (EDT)


You can view an ordnance map of the Edinburgh area (from 1856) that gives a closeup of Stoneyhill, Cowpits and Coal Pit, all in Inveresk parish. http://maps.nls.uk/os/view/?sid=74488698 Coal pit is actually closer to Stoneyhill than it is to Cowpits. There was not a mis-transcription of the name. I don't believe many people lived at Coal pit, it may have been only a few shacks, but there were coalmining families there at one time. You can hold down your SHIFT key and use your mouse to draw a square around the area to enlarge, to get it really detailed and close up. View the area just south, southwest and west of Musselburgh.--Lana a2000 21:39, 22 March 2013 (EDT)


Your reply about helping me with a Place name change. [6 April 2013]

Thanks for the suggestion to use "rename". lol I somehow missed that. However, when I attempt to do so, I can't do it and get this response:

The "located in" place (the place after the first comma in the title) is not found. You need to create that place first.

Any further help you could provide would be much appreciated.

I live in Toronto. Born in Ottawa. I've been in Toronto for about 30 years now. My use of 1961 is my birth date...which is perhaps obvious. :)

Talk to you soon. Bye for now.--Jeff1961 18:13, 6 April 2013 (EDT)


Surname Categories [7 May 2013]

Hi, Goldenoldie

I've appreciated a number of comments you've made at various times. I think it's a shame the surname categories are being removed. I haven't really used them to find anything, but always enjoy just checking, and could certainly see their potential. I think it's clear that a number of people use them. The real problems seem more to be with the automatic categories created by Source pages, which were (and in some ways still are) a mess.

And good to see you raise the Canadian flag now and then. --GayelKnott 03:31, 7 May 2013 (EDT) (in Vancouver, BC)


Deleting Pages [7 May 2013]

Hi, Pat,

Since I'm the immigrant to Canada, I understand the dual flags. As for deleting pages, if you give me a list of at least a few pages, I will see what I can do. I still sometimes feel uncomfortable deleting other people's pages, but these would be ones you don't want to keep. --GayelKnott 23:58, 7 May 2013 (EDT)


Facets and mistaken identity [10 May 2013]

There are some examples in the discussion thread now, so they are in context. I am not an admin. I am just another contributor; I've no access to admin tools or information other than what you have access to. On Wikipedia, though, that's another matter; I am an admin there. Regards --ceyockey 17:44, 10 May 2013 (EDT)

Oops -- my apologies, it wasn't my user page. Paint me chagrined. Sorry about that.--GayelKnott 22:15, 10 May 2013 (EDT)

Sources [16 May 2013]

HI

What's your source for this image: Image:Wigtownshire2.png Also, what is the date for these boundaries? is this modern or does this display the boundaries at some earlier date?--Q 11:13, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

Hi I found the original map through a website called Scotland's Family (www.scotlandsfamily.com). It was one of several which altogether covered the whole of Scotland. There is a credit to the Scottish Genealogy Society on each of the maps. This particular map covered Dumfries and Galloway Council Area, but others were more dependent on how much of Scotland comfortably fit on a basic A4 (close to 8-1/2" x 11") page. I have broken them down into counties, and retraced and retitled them in order to get them to a readable size at the top of a WeRelate page. So, they are, in part, my own work. The purpose was to provide a better picture of the location of parishes than words can express, to supply people with hints as to which parishes are adjacent to each other.

The boundaries shown are those between the parishes prior to 1975. In the Council Areas (in existence since 1996) the divisions are known as wards rather than parishes and there has definitely been some combining of thinly populated parishes into single wards.

From what I can make out, some counties were not officially delineated until 1890, but counties were counties way before that. I have not investigated boundary changes that might have occurred between one 19th century census and the next.

Trust I have answered your query. (Pat)--goldenoldie 12:10, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

I presume then that you are [pmj] as shown on the image page as the copyright holder. Perhaps it would be useful to note that pmj released the rights (assuming that's true.) Q 13:38, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

Pmj, which is me, ticked the box as copyright holder.

Maybe, if I understood all the verbiage on the page about who holds copyright, including all the definitions of all the abbreviations, and knew where to find reference to their meanings outside the United States of America, I might have answered differently. As it was, I posed that question on Watercooler before uploading any maps. There, I was told, in not so many words, "Go for it." --goldenoldie 14:14, 16 May 2013 (EDT)


What makes Immanuel Cemetery unique? [5 July 2013]

It is the only Renfrew County Ontario cemetery to appear in the contained places list for this county.--RGMoffat 00:57, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

FWIW, Immanuel Baptist Cemetery is specified directly under Renfrew County. All the other cemeteries in Renfrew County, e.g. Albert Street Cemetery, are specified in terms of cities or towns in the county. For US counties with lists of cemeteries which are not too intimidatingly long, it is an accepted practice to specify the county as "also located in" so that the cemetery primary location is in the city or township but that it also shows up on the county page. If there is a town which can be associated with Immanuel Baptist Cemetery, the preferred practice would be for it too to be renamed to be a subpage of a town and then "also located in" Renfrew County. (I know essentially nothing about Renfrew County, so I can't help with telling you what town might be most appropriate. I see that FindAGrave mentions both Killaloe and Hagarty Township.) --Pkeegstra 06:56, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
I have just added a new source, Source:Canada GenWeb. Cemeteries Project, which needs some work from someone more skilled in presenting sources. The beauty of this website is its attempt to collect together all Canada's cemeteries, complete with addresses and denominations covered. I have just used it to check out Immanuel Baptist Cemetery and will insert it, complete with address, under Killaloe immediately. (Killaloe was situated in Hagarty Township in the good old days circa 1900 when villages were in townships.) --Goldenoldie 14:14, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

Living persons [18 July 2013]

You asked if the page I referenced was new - it dates back to 2011 as shown in this edit: [2]. I thought it would be better to answer here as it was a bit tangential to the conversation! AndrewRT 14:44, 18 July 2013 (EDT)


Bagby Chapelry, England [5 August 2013]

Any suggestions on how I should format a place for this? It is referenced in Kirby Knowle parish registers.

Rick--RGMoffat 13:41, 5 August 2013 (EDT)


Featured place [14 September 2013]

I would like to nominate your article on Place: Hulcott, Buckinghamshire, England as a featured place as I saw it recently and it looks like a good example of the kind of research aid that is very useful as a place page. I hope you don't object. Can I ask if you have any other place pages that you have been working on that are as good, or better, examples of this that could also be nominated? AndrewRT 15:20, 1 September 2013 (EDT) --- I second the nomination!!! --- I've nominated it at WeRelate:Featured_page_nominations - it's now up to Delijim to decide if he wants to put it on the main page. AndrewRT 04:54, 14 September 2013 (EDT)


Have you returned? [17 December 2013]

I've seen you around again! Does this mean you're back from hiatus? Healthy and with everything where it belongs as it were?

I do enjoy seeing your edits show up on my watch list!

--jrm03063 19:38, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


I wasn't away for long. But there are times when I don't reply. Either there are other priorities or I'm not in the mood for composing an answer. (And sometimes both.)

As you know most of my work is with places. But to break the monotony I will inspect "What links here" and see what messes other people have made. You might call it "reducing the red". When entries give birthdates on the far side of 1600 or so I am pretty careful, but what should we do with entries that give a birthplace like "of Helmsley, Yorkshire, England"? Should the places really be residences rather than birthplaces, or what? In the same vein, what should we do with double commas? (I found an "of" in a marriage place today. It did look stupid.)

I now have one good eye. I can now drive again and it's really great not to be confined to the village we live in any more. The other eye will be fixed sometime early in the new year.

/cheers --Goldenoldie 19:55, 16 December 2013 (

I really think that "of" should be an undated residence - and that's what I do with those generally. However, if there's another fact for the person, that has both a location and a source (and the "of" location is unsourced) - then I'll often just drop the "of" location entirely. When I see forms that include extra commas, I do try to eliminate those (the extra commas that is).
A friend of mine recently returned to driving after an eye-related issue kept her off the road for the last year. She's finding it to be....interesting! Hope your environs are populated with operators of some....sanity?!?
My best for the holidays! --jrm03063 20:13, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. 'Twill be put to use.

Do you ever check British History Online (the Victoria County Histories) for background material on your pre-1700 people? It's not there for every county, but when it is, it can provide extensive pedigrees.

Merry Christmas --Goldenoldie 07:14, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I'll keep British History Online in-mind. I havn't seen it before - but will try to bring it into play. I have a companion out there these days - Werebear - he's been bringing in other materials and also doing work in appropriate native languages. Keep an eye out - I think you'll like what you see from him. --jrm03063 13:13, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

One Place Studies [24 February 2014]

Hi, Golden Oldie,

One Place Studies Ran across this site -- made me think of you, although it is quite new and not much on it. Don't know if it's of interest or not, but there it is. --~~--GayelKnott 19:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Glad there was something there for you. Also too bad there can't be some sort of hook-up, as there are at least a couple of one-place studies on WeRelate. And thanks for the heads-up on the copyright article. I have a friend who will be very interested in it. --GayelKnott 03:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Great to meet another user with Ontario interests and background [16 March 2014]

Hi,

Thanks for your note. I have run across some of the issues you mentioned and was wondering what I could contribute, although it seems like waiting for some policy clarity would be worthwhile if efforts would otherwise be undone by admins (and in cases where an entire country is needed, it really should start at the admin level).

You know they say that if two people can trace their families back to before 1900 in Toronto, the odds are they are related.

Nice to meet you, and congratulations on moving to the UK, minus 8 degrees here at the moment,

Artefacts--Artefacts 21:10, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


Davies family [19 April 2014]

Hello,

I put some of my family tree up on WeRelate in 2007, but have not used that site recently. I was notified that you have made changes to several of the Davies pages, including my great-grandparents, John Davies and Esther Letitia Brown.

It is interesting that in your profile you state that you are from Toronto originally and moved to England. Esther and her family moved to Toronto after the death of John. I have looked at the families you have on WeRelate but do not see where you fit in with my family. Can you help me out?

It is so long since I've used this site that I am having trouble navigating through the pages.

Joan Lightfoot, granddaughter of William Duckworth Davies Comox, BC, Canada--Joanl 19:25, 19 April 2014 (UTC)


rounding lat/long values [21 June 2014]

Hi - just curious as to why you have rounded the last/long values on the St Thomas-by Launceston page? Cheers - Paula--Wongers 13:24, 21 June 2014 (UTC)


[5 July 2014]

Goldenoldie,

You've been making some changes to my tree this evening. Most are fine. But you just changed the birthplace of William Brailey from Hingworly to Holsworthy. I have just re-checked the census entry and it definitely says Hingworly although that place doesn't seem to exist. Have you just made a guess or do you have some new information?--4foster 19:31, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


[5 July 2014]

Goldenoldie,

You've been making some changes to my tree this evening. Most are fine. But you just changed the birthplace of William Brailey from Hingworly to Holsworthy. I have just re-checked the census entry and it definitely says Hingworly although that place doesn't seem to exist. Have you just made a guess or do you have some new information?--4foster 19:31, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


Alexander Kennedy [13 July 2014]

Please review the changes I have made to the family of Alexander Kennedy and Jane McEwan. It is unrealistic to think that a family from urban Edinburgh,Scotland would reside in the rural environment of Dull, Perthshire, Scotland. I was one of the guilty parties that created the false Edinburgh pedigree of Alexander and Jane. The changes I made to this family represents the collective research of several of us working in the parish of Dull. The finding of Alexander having a prior marriage is big. His son Hugh, in this marriage ties Alexander to a father named Hugh - and it allows us to find his correct christening with a father named Hugh.--regivens 17:17, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

This is not in my tree.


OK - no problem but thank you for pushing me into updating this family with information I already had.--regivens 05:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


Gedcom review [27 July 2014]

Hi. We're back from vacation. I noticed that you reviewed a couple of gedcoms. My-Family-17-Jul-2014 (1).ged is in user review so I assume you rejected. If this is the case could you please leave them a message and say tell them why.

As for NORWORTH-1879.ged, it's not that unusual for new people to upload a very small gedcom to kinda test drive the system. I figure that is what this person is doing. There is nothing wrong with the single name so I uploaded.

Have you seen many gedcoms while I was gone?

Thanks for all your time, --sq 22:46, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


Template for General Research in Ontario [27 September 2014]

Please check Template:Cemetery Research - Ontario - General and make suggestions (as new topics) on the Talk page. If you are aware of other interested WeRelate users, invite them to review the page as well. You can also go to Place:Immanuel Baptist Cemetery, Killaloe, Renfrew, Ontario, Canada to see how the template data looks when it is incorporated into a cemetery page.

I had another user push back on some changes I made to cemetery pages he created. We have had a good discussion and I have asked him to also review the template.

Rick----RGMoffat 19:43, 26 September 2014 (UTC)


I have already read through Immanuel Killaloe and it looks good. Also received @gmail email. You've caught me on a busy day and I can't promise when I can get to a better assessment. One thing I did notice is the Table of Contents on Immanuel. Do you really want it? (It might persuade people to read to the bottom of the page.) To remove it use __ NOTOC __ which may be "spelled" without the spaces.

/cheers, Pat --whose hair won't turn white or even grey--hence --Goldenoldie 09:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


Changes to Trewren tree [4 October 2014]

Hi Goldenoldie, I notice you have made some changes to places in my Trewren tree. Are you doing this as a descendant or as part of a Werelate cleanup project? cheers John--johnct 14:15, 4 October 2014 (UTC)


It's a cleanup project--mostly Cornwall, but sometimes I try to help with geography elsewhere. Places in Cornwall are having descriptions added. I hope I haven't got anything wrong.

--Goldenoldie 14:19, 4 October 2014 (UTC)


Family Gale [29 October 2014]

Hello How are you? This is the first time i have looked around this i must certainly start to do a little bit more when my health will allow. Best Wishes Derek Gale--FAMGALE2010 15:38, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


Crawshawbooth [16 February 2015]

I notice that you merged the Place page for Crawshawbooth with the page for Higher Booths last year. Should Higher Booths have an alternate name of Crawshawbooth? As it is, if you type Crawshawbooth on someone's page and wait for WeRelate suggestions, none show up. I believe that Higher Booths would show up if it had the alternate name - I'm just not sure how correct that would be.--DataAnalyst 22:07, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. You are right that you had to do a redirect in order to have a Person page that links to the page for Crawshawbooth automatically bring up the page for Higher Booths when you click the link. This essentially merges the Crawshawbooth page with the Higher Booths page - which says that they are one and the same place. That is why I wondered if Higher Booths should have an alternate name of Crawshawbooth. But I somehow get the feeling that they are not the same place - that Higher Booths is actually a combination of a number of "booths". If that is the case, maybe the Crawshawbooth page should be reinstated (i.e., not redirected), and have an "also located in" added to it. Since I wasn't sure, I left it as is.
If you redirect but do not add Crawshawbooth as an alternate name, you can no longer successfully search for Crawshawbooth. That is, when you search for Crawshawbooth on the search page, or when you start to type it and wait for auto-fill on a person's page, nothing shows up. That is why you need the alternate name added to the place page (if they are, in fact, the same place).
For example, try searching for the place name "Wascana", or try entering it as a place on a Person page. In both cases, you will be shown "Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada". This is because it is entered as an alternate name on the Regina place page. This is very helpful for people entering data from old records, when they are not familiar with the locale and are not aware of the new/alternate name of a place.
I am done with the records for Crawshawbooth (I was cleaning up an old GEDCOM) - so I'll just leave it to you to figure out how you want to address that place page. Thanks--DataAnalyst 15:49, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Just got your latest response. User Just Alf submitted a tree (of over 5000 individuals) in 2007 that included a lot of Quakers (including the Binns and related families), some of whom were born in Crawshawbooth and area - which probably accounts for a number of the pages linking there. I have just finished going through the tree to delete living persons and add birth year where missing. I did not bother fixing place page names except where I was fixing other info (it took me several months just to do the cleanup I did - I edited almost half the person pages to add or correct birth info). At any rate, if you have access to Ancestry.com, they have a collection of English Quaker bmd records with a quite complete index (unfortunately with several transcription errors, but still, very useful). This is where I found Crawshawbooth referenced several times. If you are working on the Binns family, this source is a lot of help. I found myself checking the images a lot to verify places, but did not always bother - so if you find that I "corrected" something incorrectly, by all means, fix it.--DataAnalyst 16:27, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


Page Edit [24 March 2015]

Hi, thanks for sorting things out for me. I am relatively new to Genealogy and when I saw you were from Ontario it got me interested. I am having a bit of a problem tracing the family of an uncle who emigrated in 1930. He lived in Oshawa and worked for GM in a chrome plating plant. Any advice would be appreciated. Regards Joe--Glasafor 23:12, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


Springside [25 March 2015]

Hi, I have added some more info on the village. I am located in Irvine Ayrshire Scotland, and my email address is glasafor@gmail.com--Glasafor 14:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


Recent "Greenwood" Research [13 April 2015]

Hiya,

Would you mind contacting me outside of this site as it will be easier to compare notes and to update/correct my source data.

My personal email is john(at)devsys.co.uk

Thanks for your assistance.

Chat soon. John Greenwood.--GreenwoJ 09:57, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


Simpson Family [17 April 2015]

Hi --

I'm wondering what your interest is in this family (Lydia Simpson, et. al) and hoping that you have some connection to it. These children are the great-grandchildren of my brick wall, Mary Harvey Pierce (Perce/Peirce).

On another note, I have been following a family from Leitrim, (Algeos) who came to what is now Simcoe county Ontario, starting in 1819. I wonder if you have come across them?

Santa Traugott--Santatraugott 16:03, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

I may have simply been tidying up some place details. Can you give me a link to Lydia Simpson, et. al, so that I can be reminded. As to the people from Leitrim (somewhere in Ireland, isn't it?), they don't ring any bells either. I have family who moved in and out of various parts of Simcoe County, but it's a big place. --Goldenoldie 16:15, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


[17 April 2015]

Here is the link for Lydia Simpson: View the changes: http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person:Lydia_Simpson_%282%29&diff=0&oldid=16414658--Santatraugott 17:38, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


Place revision/additions - and Hurds Lake [28 April 2015]

Hi Pat,

Thanks for your information. I'm new to We Relate and am starting with this "smaller" hehe database. It is interesting working with the places list. Somewhat tedious, but interesting. I'm actually finding places that were misspelled in my database because of poor handwriting, bad gedcoms, and typos, etc.

Hurds Lake (proper spelling) is in Ontario, just 15 miles from Renfrew. I wasn't sure what category to use for it. I don't believe there is a town/village there, but people have build all around the lake. My husband's family have more than a dozen homes around there, many of which can only be accessed by the water. It is a beautiful spot. I wish we lived closer so we could visit more often. Many events in the family history have occurred there as the families generally lived in Renfrew or other nearby towns.

I have been trying to be very careful about linking pages if I can - I look everything up online first and have been able to link most places. I have made some new pages only when I can't find anything that seems to fit. Some of my places were called other things in the past, or were in different counties at the time of the event than where they are currently. This is particularly true for states. If something occurred before a state existed, then at the time the town was either in another state or in a territory. How do you handle that?

Thanks for your help

Karen, Oregon--karen1 17:27, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


Source pages [4 May 2015]

Hi, I see that editing source pages in reviewing my Gedcom is optional. However, I wanted to know what happens in the final posting if I don't edit, link or create pages.

Most of my sources for this file were created long ago, before "source wizard" in RootsMagic. So they may be death certificates for individual people, separate dates for articles in the same paper, etc. What happens to the sources if they are not linked? If I linked to the current source created by someone else (say for Renfrew Mercury) what happens to the information about the particular issue and page?

Similarly in places - what happens if I link a church where someone is married to the town in which the church is. Is the church information attached somewhere or lost?

Thanks for your help.

Karen--karen1 18:20, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


Questionnaire [8 May 2015]

Thanks for questioning the questionnaire. I was just about to do the same. How does one scrape (scrap) the F.A.G. cemetery pages, and what the heck are "assertions". I, too need an interpreter for some techy subjects. Neal --SkippyG 19:19, 8 May 2015 (UTC)


Westminster prefix [10 June 2015]

Now you are confusing me. I don't understand why you are prefixing names with "Westminster". (I don't know if you are doing this with other areas around London.) For example, I have never seen St. George's, Hanover Square ever referred to as Westminster St. George Hanover Square. Often sources may reference Middlesex instead of London, but that is because it used to be in Middlesex. -Moverton 20:19, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


Henry Richard Blundell [17 June 2015]

Hi,

I thouoght I woulod say hello. I am not a user of this website other than I came across it some years ago when I was doing some family history. In fact I had forgotten all about, but it seems I left a marker against my grandfather and now out of the blue I got an alert that it was being amended.

I'm not active on family history these days but getting this alert I did wonder who else was interested in Dad's Dad. Do you have a link to my family?

Regards

John--Jcblundell 18:40, 17 June 2015 (UTC)



Hi

There's no family connection at all. I work on "places" around London--many of which have changed their relationships with other local places over the years. When I get bored I have a look at the family histories that go with the places and replace placenames written in red which don't match our database. I've been "meeting" a lot of Blundells in the past couple of weeks.

Regards, --Goldenoldie 19:15, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Keep up the good work.


Ardens, Maws etc [1 August 2015]

Hi. I notice that you left a couple of messages on talk pages for me (and Claurence, who last contributed in 2007). Most of information on those pages, and the ones surrounding them, was Claurence's. I simply added links to a 19th century source on the ancestors of William Shakespeare, without attempting to clean up the pages otherwise. I will go in and see if I can tidy up a bit, but in general I have decided to redirect the effort I had been putting into Werelate a few years ago into another project.

On a completely different note, I wonder how your research into the Maws has been going. I was working on my Maws a bit earlier this year. One of my Maw lines ends with the William Maw who married Ann Clarke in 1729 in Wilton, Yorkshire. I haven't been able to track down his parents with certainty. The most likely parents given the chronology and location are James Maw and Magdalen Hassell, who had a son William baptized in Ellerburn in 1700. The problem is that this couple moved some distance away (Full Sutton) in the early 1700s, and William would have had to have moved back. The other candidate parents are less likely from a chronological perspective. I wish I could sort this out, because Magdalen Hassell is a provably a descendant of King Edward III, so this is going to keeping nagging at me until it is resolved, one way or the other.

My other Maw line is also from the Thornton Dale area (James Maw, innkeeper in Thornton Dale, born about 1707, married Elizabeth Thompson in Pickering in 1737.)

--Werebear 16:38, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Those Ardens I saw last night were a complete chaos. Very frustrating when the source used was online as a Google Book, but I think the answer was in a pedigree printed sideways on a page, and I couldn't figure out how to turn it. I felt I had better things to do, as obviously you have as well.

As to the Maws, I haven't got any further. Finding Martha, my great-great grandmother, on New Years's Eve 2012 was such a surprise. I had a good look at Maws in the neighbourhood, particularly your lot in Thornton Dale, but couldn't see any connection. But given that they ended up not that far apart 3000 miles from where they started I can't help but think there must be something in it. Any idea when James Maw emigrated? George & Martha's firstborn said he was born in the US around 1832.

Just yesterday the June 2015 Newsletter from York Region Branch of OGS arrived--with a list of Markham inhabitants of 1858-59 (Markham is next door to Pickering, or am I speaking to the initiated?). The list included Rufus Marr, proprietor of the Anglo American House; Alexander Mair, barrister and solicitor; and one of my great-grandfathers from a different line. A name change from Maw to Marr is always possible, particularly when the family would be meeting up with American accents instead of Yorkshire ones.

As you probably know, I spend my time sorting out WeRelate's place pages. When I get bored I look at linked genealogies. I always know when I see your name as the main watcher that the places are going to be as they ought to be.

--Goldenoldie 19:08, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

I did some tidying up of the Ardens/Hampdens, but I think I am going to abandon the effort. There's a lot of garbage there, and going through the effort of checking some of the unsourced information and trying to figure out the most efficient and ethical way of eliminating it reminded me of why I decided to concentrate on my own site. The connection to Great Hampden, though, looks sound. The John Hampden on WR seems to have been considered an ancestor by the Civil War John Hampden that you refer to.
On the James Maw (I assume you mean the ancestor I mentioned) emigrating -- he didn't. He was an innkeeper near Pickering, Yorkshire, not Pickering, Ontario. I am descended from his grand-daughter, Mary Sadler, who arrived in Canada in 1831, and ended up on a farm in Pickering township (in the East Riding of York County, later Ontario County, now the Regional Municipality of Durham). A few Maw families ended up in the same neighbourhood as Mary, but I am not certain exactly how they all relate to Mary. A William Maw, born in 1811 in England (probably in Hackness, Yorkshire), married Mary's first cousin Esther Sadler in 1835 in Pickering Twp. in Canada. A Robert Maw who was the grandson of the William Maw born in about 1700 who I discussed above was the ancestor of Maws in Georgetown, Ontario.

--Werebear 19:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

I think I'll spend a few minutes poking around your Maws. I'll add to Werelate what I find, if you don't mind. (If you do, don't feel bad about deleting it.) Unfortunately, my subscription to Findmypast, which has a lot of Yorkshire parish registers, has expired...

--Werebear 20:03, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll make sure I am "watching" the right pages. I still have a sub to "The Genealogist" if it's any help. (Also, Ancestry). --Goldenoldie 20:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)


Amending record for Beatrice and Robert Jones. Norfolk. UK [9 October 2015]

Just to say thanks for correcting the entry for Beatrice and Robert's location. Not sure how the word "Island" got in there, but ok now.

Are you a distant or close relative to this family? Just curious, because I have discovered more relations since I added the info.

Regards, Lord Lucan.--Lord Lucan 10:57, 9 October 2015 (UTC)


I'm no relation at all. I am a "places cleaner upper" trying to sort out any and all place entries in Norfolk, England, that are incomplete (i.e., should have had "England" after them or are written in red ink because they don't link to our database). In this case I think that someone who built the database in the first place discovered Norfolk Island at that same time as your gedcom arrived.

regards, --Goldenoldie 11:06, 9 October 2015 (UTC)


Place names [21 October 2015]

I know you do a lot of work with places, and presumably understand that 1900 names are used. Changing Hingham, Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States to Hingham, Plymouth, Massachusetts adds no information to the page, is a non-standard name for no obvious reason, and is not the correct name, since it would be Massachusetts Bay Colony if correct and who knows what county (probably Suffolk?). I and others are removing such names in favor of sticking to the standard, non-preference based names, and hope you will not reverse this work. --Jrich 15:13, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


Tollerton pages [22 November 2015]

Hello, I see you've been updating some of the Tollerton family pages here lately. I originally added those and appreciate you corrections and updates. Thank you. How are you connected to the Tollertons? My wife's great-grandmother was Kate Elliott Tollerton. http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Kate_Tollerton_%281%29

By coincidence, we're in Toronto too. Her father's family moved from England to Niagara on the Lake and all grew up here.

Have a great weekend.

sanjay--Svsingh 12:56, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi

I'm not in Toronto. I've lived in the UK for 50 years, but before that I was a Torontonian--with my first home on the Island! My family was never large, so there really wasn't much to do on WeRelate until I found that their geography database needed a cleanup. I did southern Ontario first (two years ago) and then started working on England and Scotland. Currently I am doing Lincolnshire. There turned out to be two places named Fenton, so I thought I had better check the people who went with the place(s). That's how I found the Tollertons. I've updated some of them, but there are still some places marked in red on your family pages. It is pretty important to give both county and country in the UK because so many places have been duplicated, all over the world.

/cheers, --Goldenoldie 14:28, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


Aston, Oxfordshire [19 January 2016]

Hi

You've redirected Aston (Ox) to Aston and Cote - one is a village, the other a parish?

Interested to know why you've done this.

Cheers,

- Paula

--Wongers 09:15, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


Dorothy Hanson Correction: thanks [19 January 2016]

Just to say thanks for the little correction to Dorothy Hanson's page.--Helen-HWMT 09:57, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


Wonford, Exeter [27 January 2016]

As far as I am aware it is still known as Wonford village locally. In this case though I am quite happy not to have it as a place, I must have clicked add by mistake, the only family connections I have there is a brother in law in the army barracks and the death of my father there both of which can be covered better in the narrative. Would the same apply to Toxteth in Liverpool?

Yes I know the UK well, lived there for 40 years in many places and have ancestors all over - mostly peasants. I am having more problems sorting out East Prussian places though, the whole administration level of Kries (county) seems to be missing from all of what is now Germany or Poland or Kaliningrad. Kries existed since the 1200's but mainly the land belonging to a Baron or Count, after Napoleon the system was set more or less as it is now and the Kries or the city is where all records are kept so researchers need to know these before trying to get data.--Rhian 14:31, 27 January 2016 (UTC) -Rhian 14:32, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


Helen Whiteford [3 February 2016]

You have recently amended the entry for Helen Whiteford and have her as having died in South Africa or New Zealand. I am certain she died in Grahamstown, Glasgow see http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/books/grahamston.htm for details of this bygone area.

Regards Bob Holloway (originator of the Whiteford entry)--Aisling13 22:43, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


Reply sent by private e-mail.--Goldenoldie 10:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


Toxteth [12 February 2016]

No problem, it came up during a gedcom import and no place was matched, I remember something you said about a few weeks ago and assumed it was not entered yet. It was getting late for me and I intended to look further into it today, but you saved me a job, thank you.-Rhian 08:33, 12 February 2016 (UTC)


Locust Hill [15 February 2016]

This place was marked for speedy delete, I think you added the template. It was deleted, it can be reverted if you want. I was going to contact you as there are a lot of pages on the speedy delete page that are places and maybe you should check that they can be deleted, you know more about places than I do.Rhian 09:05, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

A 100% memory is a luxury these days. From Genuki I have -

Tilston was a township in Tilston ancient parish, Broxton hundred (SJ 4651), which became a civil parish in 1866. It includes the hamlets of Grafton (from 2015), Hob Hill and Lowcross Hill. The population was 257 in 1801, 425 in 1851, 320 in 1901, 377 in 1951, and 627 in 2001.

I think you said in the speedy delete that it was incorrectly named and Lowcross seems to be correct.

Is it safe for me to assume that any places you have in speedy delete can be deleted? I am not sure about the places other people have added though. Rhian 09:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


Incorrect "Place" for Smiths Falls [20 February 2016]

Hello.  :)

We spoke a few years ago, and I was just about to post in help a question about correcting a Place name. Saw you and thought i'd message you first as it relates to Ontario.

While entering genealogy information yesterday I realized that all previous entries for Smiths Falls are entered as Smith's Falls. It is a small error, but I have confirmed that there is no apostrophe.

So my question is, to fix a place name...do I simply create a new "Place"...causing more duplication, or is there a way to correct all previous records?--Jeff1961 18:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


Category:Church Shocklach, Cheshire, England [22 February 2016]

Just checking with you, this is marked for speedy delete but has 10 articles on it, is it OK to delete or do you need to check the other pages first?Rhian 11:22, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


Kincardine [23 February 2016]

The 'problem' I have with Place:Kincardine (township), Bruce, Ontario, Canada is not that it is empty, it looks perfectly good to me, but I know nothing. It is listed in Speedy Delete but does not have the sd template, so I do not know why it shows up there. It seems it should not be deleted but I want to get it off the SD page before someone deletes it in error.Rhian 10:03, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


And it's going to be even better 5 minutes from now!. I don't know how the speedy delete page works to remove things. I thought this was Daniel's responsibility. Haven't seen messages from him lately. One's last resort is Dallan, of course.

/cheers, Pat--Goldenoldie 10:27, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes it got better and whatever you did removed the template, I think I know what happened. For information the template adds pages to the speedy delete page and an admin has to check and delete each page manually, nothing much had happened to pages there for about 6 months but it is now pretty much up to date.Rhian 10:59, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Just a little hammer and chisel in the right place, I guess (smile). I no longer follow the rules on the "Add Places" page as religiously as I used to. "Town", "Township", "Municipality", "Parish" are all occasionally needed when it comes to explanations for people who aren't familiar with the area of the world under discussion. However, once one gets to grips with the "1900 rule", it is very useful.

Last week in a note to User:Jeff1961 I went into detail re an alteration to the software that Dallan fixed for me a few weeks back. You may want to read it. I gave up on fixing modern London before it was in place. It might be easier now. Now we've got to figure out why redirecting is so slow.

/cheers, Pat


PayPal [28 February 2016]

I had a deeper look at the process. When you click on the donate link you should get a page to select country and add an address, the address form does not seem to change as you change countries which it should, there is only one country that has the states as the US does. This error may be PayPal or the way WR is set up.

On the right side of the same page there is a login into PayPal box where you can enter your PayPal login details you should then end up at your PayPal page with the sum you are paying shown in your currency and a Pay Now button. It might be different for you as my page comes up in German, what I see means pay now. You should not need to enter an address though there may be an extra security check if you bank/ccard have implemented it.

In my opinion admins should get add free access as a matter of course, it might encourage more active admins, most do not answer messages from me and many are not active. As for PayPal I cannot live without it, I get double my UK state pension via it each month, Facebook I can live without though I do check some genealogy page once a month, Twitter I never found out how it works and have no interest in finding out. I do not think I have seen any internet adverts for over 10 years. Rhian 15:39, 28 February 2016 (UTC)


Category:English Counties [5 March 2016]

I am wondering what the value of this is since you can go to Place:England (or Category:England for the categories) and see a list of counties. -Moverton 04:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)


Family:John Kirton and Alice Burton (1) [7 March 2016]

I concure the place name is probably mixed with Philmores marriages as a source, as the only source given is ancestry family trees then imo there are no sources. It was possibly in Berkshire where they were born and some of the early children. Do you want me to search out some sources?Rhian 09:54, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Did not take long, added source and corrected place name, all I need now is to correct why he was born two years after his wife died and 34 years after he married. Do people ever check the rubbish they add? Rhian 10:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Oh man, do I sympathize about the "rubbish". A Find A Grave memorial where a person b. 1781, d. 1813, age 66 (I think a third grader could tell you that 1813-1781=32). Or a page quoting extensively from a book describing how their ancestor was killed in the Revolutionary War, but giving death in 1835. Reading the whole passage posted in the narrative, the grave was moved in 1835. That's just today's examples. --Jrich 04:37, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
You can't beat a good rant, as important as a laugh. I did a bit of work on the family group, John Kirton was his own grandfather and grandson, clever guy, I am getting some order in it but have to go to Dresden, paint supplier sent the wrong colour paint for the car we are going to the Netherlands in this easter. Ho hum. Rhian 11:46, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Kirkby-Ireleth [18 March 2016]

Just when I think I am beginning to understand how places work something comes up and confuses me again. :D

I was helping out a cousin with her husbands line which was going well, all in Co. Durham which I know quite well until I dived back into the murky depths of Cumberland, I though Kirkby-Ireleth was a transcription error at first. Incidentally I know the convention is just to use county names without the word county added but Durham is I think the one English exception, it was always referred to as Co. Durham to separate it from the city, at least up to 1974, I am lost about any places after that.

I saw the admin post you did and was tempted to make a start, but perhaps it is better to see if there is any response first. --Rhian 11:01, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

I know how you feel. Despite not having spent my childhood and teens in the UK, I think of it as Co. Durham too. But very few of the decision makers of 2007, if any, were resident here, so common usage was too uncommon amongst them to receive consideration. They manage with a county in Utah named Utah, so I guess they thought it was okay. Just remember that Westmorland doesn't have an "e" in it. --Goldenoldie 11:21, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

And there's a grand discussion about NYC back in the archives, too.


Oare, Berkshire, England [18 March 2016]

I don't know how you are researching these, but you changed this place to a redirect. Wikipedia refers to this as "a small village" and British History Online refers to it as a "small hamlet" or "village" (maybe the author didn't make a distinction between the two), and a chapelry within the parish of Chieveley. I don't believe this should be a redirect. -Moverton 20:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


Norton Radstock and other things [27 March 2016]

Yes we were supposed to be away, we go on a lot of classic car tours all over Europe and should have been in Reims tasting champagne but as we were sent the wrong paint the delay in finishing the restoration meant it was not ready, the other four that are taxed and we could have used are all undergoing minor surgery ready for trips this year. We were left with a choice of an open top sports car or not go which was a simple choice with this weather. It does mean we can take time finishing the restoration ready for a tour in Nederland in 6 weeks time, later this year we have a trip in Wales the the next week in the Lake district so I am adding a few weeks on and doing genealogy research in Wiltshire, Wales, Cumberland and the Tyne area.

Of course being at home means I can potter about here tidying up as I go. Luckily my only problem is back ache from digging the garden.--Rhian 11:21, 27 March 2016 (UTC)


Hampshire [2 May 2016]

I see your trip through Wales brought you to Hampshire, I have been fiddling around with a new family line in Hampshire and noticed a couple of place problems.


I have a family group that were in Bartley, in 1901 it was listed under Copythorne in the census, a birth 2 years earlier just lists it as New Forest, other records give Eling parish. Should Bartley be added under one of the other places or added just in Hampshire with notes to see also the other places?

I also found some inconsistencies with the Isle of Wight, it is sometimes shown as in Hampshire and sometimes just as in England and I am not sure how to fix it, it should always be a part of Hampshire I think, any advice would be appreciated when you have time, no hurry I have lots of lines there to research still.--Rhian 08:01, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

I think WP may be wrong about the Isle of Wight being a county, unless it changed after the 1970's when I lived in Hampshire, it is in every census listed as in Hampshire. the official site does imply it is now a county as the address is County Hall.
I cannot really make much sense of a vision of Britain site, perhaps I need to tale some time amd study it properly.
I am not sure what you mean about Binsted, I see no warning and as far as I can see it has nothing to do with the Isle of Wight.--Rhian 07:43, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks [7 May 2016]

Thanks, Goldenoldie, for putting several of the facts from our Berry tree in canonical form. The fact that grampa was born in a house called "Ardrossan" could have been confusing for example to some researchers of Scottish families. I know that it confused the map facility in our offline database!--GrapeBunch 17:29, 7 May 2016 (UTC)


However, no thanks for changing the names of, for example, Berry Alfred Berry to just plain Alfred Berry. Could you please reverse all of those errors you introduced? The larger family had a few large branches with a dozen or so children, and each branch used a specific naming pattern to avoid 19th century confusion. One of those branches named everybody Berry [insert name] and of course the surname was also Berry.--GrapeBunch 17:37, 7 May 2016 (UTC)


It is unfortunate that werelate.org uses invariably the first given name + the surname as the display name. If space is a consideration (and I don't know why it would be ...), perhaps the user or data-entry-person could choose which given name to display. Or werelate could allow a user-specified initial. Thus Berry Alfred Berry could show as B. Alfred Berry, rather than Berry Berry like all of his siblings. Even in my own little branch of the tree, with parents and 4 children, only two of us went by our first given name. Three of the others, the second given name. The sixth, his third given name. This tendency was just as strong in centuries past. I suppose that nicknames could complicate things further (we're trying to figure out who was the female ancestor referred to as "Wrath" in the only two notes we have about her) ....--GrapeBunch 18:08, 7 May 2016 (UTC)


Charlwood, Surrey, England [20 May 2016]

Thank you for your recent edits to...

http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Place:Charlwood%2C_Surrey%2C_England

Are you a Subject Matter Expert on history and/or genealogy in Charlwood or do you know someone who is?

Perry

perry@streeter.com--Streeter 01:00, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


Thank you for the rapid reply. I love the combination of geography and genealogy, especially in the form of historical maps. I think that I will proceed with posting something directly to the Charlwood page sometime soon.--Streeter 18:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


Isle of Thanet [16 June 2016]

Wondering why you do not recognize this Isle of Thanet, Kent as a legitimate location? In the early 1800's it was such as the maps for the counties included this area on separate map pages. You've changed some of my Johncock and Kennett postings and abbreviated such things as Saint to St. Why?--Ivanhoe 20:28, 16 June 2016 (UTC)


Response to Bexleyheath Revisions [19 July 2016]

Just a quick note to say that I have responded to your original post on my Talk page from yesterday. Please see Place talk:Bexleyheath, Kent, England. Thank you, --cos1776 20:52, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


Barton Manor, Isle of Wight, England [23 July 2016]

Hello - stumbled upon the uncategorized article above and noticed that you had created it, but were not watching it. It doesn't link to anything. Do you have an objection to deleting it? Thanks, --cos1776 00:40, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

The section heading is a link that you can click on. I didn't remove anything from the article. The only change was the addition of the SD template.--cos1776 10:35, 23 July 2016 (UTC)