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Next step: Review your GEDCOM [1 October 2009]

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Marquez-Ramirez.ged appears to overlap a previously-imported GEDCOM [29 October 2009]

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Image Inquiry: Moved Question to Watercooler [23 January 2009]

Hello,
I wanted to let you know that I moved your image question from the Main Talk page to our Watercooler. Most questions and discussions take place there. You may want to make sure that you are watching the Watercooler page for responses.--Jennifer (JBS66) 09:54, 23 January 2009 (EST)


Ancestry Chart [27 January 2009]

Hi there,
I see you are trying out the ancestry chart. I think the first two lines of code <user> </user> are messing things up. Try deleting those first two lines, and that should help.--Jennifer (JBS66) 08:22, 26 January 2009 (EST)


Thanks for your assistance. Usually can't stand to have someone looking over my shoulder at work, but on-line seems quite the opposite. Appreciate it!--BobC 08:38, 26 January 2009 (EST)


Yeah, I did just jump right in with ideas, didn't I? By the way, I failed to mention that I am a volunteer here at WeRelate. I noticed one other item about where you placed your ancestry chart. The page that you created [1] is in our Article Namespace. Articles are for information "not directly related to specific persons or families". So, you will need to re-create the same page underneath your user page, like this: User:BobC/Ancestry Chart (see Help:User pages for instructions on adding a User Page), and then delete the Ancestry Chart article. You've done a very nice job with your chart! Let me know if you have any further questions.--Jennifer (JBS66) 08:45, 26 January 2009 (EST)


Hello,
I wanted to know if you were all set with the Ancestry Chart Article page (it's now an orphan page). I was going to do a little housecleaning - and delete it.
Thanks, Jennifer.--Jennifer (JBS66) 11:56, 27 January 2009 (EST)


Yes, you can delete. I marked it for speedy deletion. Thanks.--BobC 14:42, 27 January 2009 (EST)


War with Mexico Page [28 February 2009]

Hello, I am a volunteer admin here at WeRelate. I have a question about the War with Mexico page that you created. It appears this page is taken from this Internet site, which is copyrighted. Can you clarify your use of this page on WeRelate? Thank you!--Jennifer (JBS66) 09:15, 28 February 2009 (EST)

Jumping in, the information shown in the WeRelate article seems to come from an in the 1902 edition of Harpers Encyclopedia. The website Jennifer pointed to seems to have used the same source. This Harpers article is out of copyright so there's no issue of infringement, through credit still should be given to whatever source was actually used. Q 09:32, 28 February 2009 (EST)

Q, thanks for jumping in! Would it, perhaps, be preferable to remove the last three sentences from this article (which appear on the website, but not the Encyclopedia), and then source it to Source:Lossing, Benson John. Harper's Encyclopaedia of United States History from 458 A.D. to 1902 rather than the website? --Jennifer (JBS66) 09:46, 28 February 2009 (EST)
I didn't check through the whole article, and of course I don't know specifically whether it came from Harpers or some other variant using the Harpers article, or someone elses even earlier version. Back then, these encyclopedia's copied each other freely (maybe illegally, but they plagerized each other without shame.) But in anycase, its now out of copyright, whatever source was actually used. The additional tag at the end may have been inserted by the website you pointed to, or may have been in another encylopedia version. Your fix would certainly work. If the content is really needed, then if its only a sentence or two, it could be quoted under "fair use" rules, with a pointer to the specific source. Q 09:55, 28 February 2009 (EST)
Thanks much to all for your scholarly review, wise council, sound advice. Hope the change I made to the source credit meets your okay. --BobC 16:42, 28 February 2009 (EST)

Bob, thanks for your edits. My only suggestion would be to possibly include a link to Source:Lossing, Benson John. Harper's Encyclopaedia of United States History from 458 A.D. to 1902. It seems that this could be a great resource for future articles, and it would be nice to have them link back to this Source page. I see that Wikipedia has Wikipedia:Template:Harper's_Encyclopedia (not that it's well used). This might be an idea to use (with a link in the template back to our Source page).--Jennifer (JBS66) 16:48, 28 February 2009 (EST)


Cemetery Portal: Thanks [2 April 2009]

Thanks for cleaning up and extending the cemetery categories. --JoshHansen 20:46, 1 April 2009 (EDT)


Thank you as well, not only for bringing up the subject regarding cemeteries prompting some interesting discussion, but also for creating the cemetery portal page.--BobC 14:27, 2 April 2009 (EDT)


History of the 88th Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry [14 April 2009]

I noticed that you edited a source for the book Source:History of the 88th Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry. We currently have two additional source pages here that will need to be integrated with your page. They are: Source:History of the 88th Pennsylvania in the war for the Union, 1861-1865 and Source:History of the 88th Pennsylvania Volunteers in the war for the Union, 1861-1865. To me, it appears they are all the same book. Also, in order to follow our naming conventions, this source will need to be renamed to Author.Title, most likely: Vautier, John D. History of the 88th Pennsylvania Volunteers in the War for the Union, 1861-1865

Let me know what you think, I will wait on your comments before I proceed in merging/renaming. Thank you!--Jennifer (JBS66) 08:41, 14 April 2009 (EDT)


Thanks, Jennifer, go ahead and merge it to the actual title reference, Vautier, John D. History of the 88th Pennsylvania Volunteers in the War for the Union, 1861-1865. It was an automatic creation by a WeRelate agent that I modified for my use because of my personal interest and because I own the book. I didn't realize there were two other references as well. Good job!--BobC 11:06, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Thank you! I deleted the two FHL sources (and transferred over any pertinent info). You did a nice job on this page.--Jennifer (JBS66) 11:30, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Kerr's Creek Page [13 July 2009]

Just wanted to say thanks for adding the links to the Kerr's Creek Massacre page, appreciate the help:)

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 19:08, 13 July 2009 (EDT)


First White Man killed in Augusta County [30 July 2009]

Hi Bob, I don't know if this ties into any of your projects, but thought you might want to know the first white settler killed by Indians in early Augusta County:

http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:John_Breckenridge_%283%29

I believe the Indians in Augusta County were Shawnee, not Cherokee, but maybe it might tie-into a future project. John Breckenridge was killed some 15 years BEFORE the 1st Kerr's Creek Massacre....

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 19:57, 30 July 2009 (EDT)


Kerr's Creek Leads (17 August 2009)

Excellent job with the Kerr's Creek Massacres page. Here are a few links you may or may not have researched on the subject:

Good luck on your further research. --BobC 10:54, 17 August 2009 (EDT)


Cherokee Project


Dragging Canoe [27 February 2009]

Hi Bob

Thanks for your additions to the Dragging Canoe article. Liked the image you added, but...this is apparently from a work published in 1974. Even if its a "snippet" of a larger image, that umage iss not an historic image. Which is to say, unless permission to use this image has been secured from the copyright holder, its probably copyright infringement. This is why I try to stick to 19th century and earlier images, (or at worst, very early 20th Century) when I can find them.

You may find a few other articles of interest in the Southwest Virginia Project, given your interest in Cherokee heritage. This is one of many areas that I plan to expand on. Would not mind at all if someone with an interest in this subject were to go to town on the subject. There are also a few articles (mostly stubs for articles in preparation or planned) related to Indian-Settler hostilities in the area. See Period of Indian Hostilities---1773-1794 Q 08:10, 27 February 2009 (EST)


Permission has been granted for use of copyrighted material and images from The Overmountain Press, P.O. Box 1261, Johnson City, TN 37605 (423-926-2691 phone), to wit:

From: Elizabeth Wright [beth@overmtn.com]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:18 PM
To: Cole Robert
Subject: Re: Request for limited use of cover art image

Mr. Cole,

There's no problem with the use as you have described! Should you decide at a later date to use it for commercial purposes, just let me know.

Best Wishes,
Beth

Elizabeth Wright, Publisher The Overmountain Press • www.overmountainpress.com
Silver Dagger Mysteries • www.silverdaggermysteries.com
P.O. Box 1261
Johnson City, TN 37605
beth@overmtn.com
800-992-2691


On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Cole Robert wrote:

Overmountain Press Representatives:

I read and enjoyed the book by Pat Alderman, entitled "Nancy Ward and Dragging Canoe" published by your company in 1978. Artistic renderings of Dragging Canoe and Nancy Ward by Timothy N. Tate were produced for the book’s cover.

Since I am a descendant of both their parents’ families, to avoid possible copyright infringement, I would like obtain permission from the copyright holder to use portions of the images in my personal and family history pages depicting my Cherokee heritage which I have begun to produce on a genealogy wiki page at WeRelate.org. This is intended for educational use only, not for profit or personal gain, and appropriate credit will be given as you direct.

Thank you for your consideration.

Robert Cole
Email: bobcole2@embarqmail.com

Thank you for pointing out a potential copyright issue. --BobC 13:16, 27 February 2009 (EST)


Good. But you need to add this to the image file, and change the basis for its use away from "historic document". Q 14:14, 27 February 2009 (EST)
I think I did that, but if not done successfully, please advise. --BobC 15:59, 27 February 2009
Yes, I hadn't left a watch note on it, so I wasn't notified. Good job. Q 16:09, 27 February 2009 (EST)

Gov. John Sevier [1 July 2009]

Bob, just wanted to tell you that the additions to Gov. John Sevier's page are very good. I've nominated his page with your changes. Nicely done:)

http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:John_Sevier_%281%29--Delijim 11:59, 1 July 2009 (EDT)


Thanks for your comment and consideration. But this is a cooperative effort and you also contributed to it. All I think I really did was organize the information that was already put there by others. There is still work to do, such as organize reference material, properly credit original sources, and make the page more user friendly.
Although not related to my line, his is an interesting life story -- politically, historically and genealogically. His activist intervention, both positively and negatively, with my Cherokee ancestors certainly was noteworthy and significant.--BobC 13:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

Cherokee Project Lead [27 July 2009]

Hi Bob, I think your Cherokee project is a great idea. I have found this link useful: [2] Good luck with your project; I hope that you have many contributors. --Beth 17:24, 27 July 2009 (EDT)


Thanks. I'll add the link to my page.--BobC 18:57, 27 July 2009 (EDT)


Cherokee Heritage Project Banner [29 July 2009]

Hi Bob, I think you need to downsize slightly your banner for the Cherokee Heritage Project. It is too large on either of my computers (either at work or at home), and the banner gets pushed down below the page. If you downsize it a bit (I'm guessing 85-90% of the current size), it will fit at the top of the page, and eliminate the "blank space" that currently exists. Unfortunately, because of the google and other ads on the right side, you can't have wide banners at the top of the page without pushing everything down below the ads.

http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Cherokee_Heritage_Project

Quolla and I also had the same problem with our Southwest Virginia and Augusta County banners, and after they were reduced a bit, everything popped right back to the top of the page. It looks like you're making good progress overall, looks good!

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 22:21, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

Thanks. I reduced the image size from 700px to 650 px, so hopefully that will show up correctly on your screen. I've noticed that if the screen size is downsized (middle "restore down" button on upper right), that will also imact the display and push the graphic down below ad space.--BobC 09:34, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

It's still about 1/2 inch too wide, you might want to reduce it to 600, since both of my computers are set at the "default" size, which most others probably are, too.... Thanks, again, your project looks good! Keep up the good work:)--Delijim 09:57, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

Okay, reduced it to 600px. How does it appear now? --BobC 10:56, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

Darn, it's still a bit too wide, try going a bit more down.... Sorry:)--Delijim 12:51, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

Reduced it to 500px. That's all the further I think I can go with it without losing further clarity and impact of a banner heading. You might check what screen resolution you use on your monitor display -- perhaps it is set very low for larger print. I normally have mine set at 1280x1024, which is comparitively high, purposely set that way so I can view more on my display screen. I'll review the help pages here on images further -- I think I remember some discussion earlier this year about a sizing method that uses a more flexible "floating technique" for images that adjust the image to the user's screen resolution, rather than a fixed pixel sizing. --BobC 13:59, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

Looks good now Bob! Thanks, keep up the good work!:)--Delijim 16:44, 29 July 2009 (EDT)


Surname portal and one name study [17 August 2009]

Hi Bob, your surname portal looks great, and I have no disagreement with your official definition of a one-name study; particularly by which one gains access to a membership in an organization of various one name studies. However your solution does not seem to offer a linking mechanism of various trees and pages that do not fit this definition. I have numerous trees about the Coker family that I have researched but these families are not linked; either because they are unrelated or the evidence is not yet forthcoming. Primarily the families are from Georgia and Alabama and migrated from South Carolina and then left Alabama and Georgia and migrated to MS, LA, TX and beyond. What are your suggestions for linking these independent trees and pages? --Beth 21:43, 16 August 2009 (EDT)

Perhaps I can answer that question best by borrowing from the Wikipedia's commentary to the scope of a One-Name Study: "In most one-name studies, a united lineage will not be discovered, but a broad perspective can be achieved, giving clues to name origin and migrations. Many researchers are motivated to go beyond the one-name-study stage and to compile fully researched, single-family histories of some of the families they discover." While the linkage itself is probably the "best case scenario" or the most desirable result of a thorough one-name study, it is not really the purpose of it.
I've been exactly where you're at on a number of different lines, having information about various lines of the same surname, and the name (or its variations) being so unusual I knew in my gut they were related, but it took years of research to finally connect the lines. Had I concentrated on my own proven line and only branched outward from what I knew to be in my direct ancetral line I feel quite certain I would have never made the connections to the other lines, and if I had it would have been years later. Saying it the other way, if I had not collected information on and then researched all the instances of the name I found before I discovered the connections btween them, I may not have connected them at all. As the Wikipedia article points out, "One-name researchers often begin a study in the hope that obtaining a massive data set will give them sufficient perspective to break through a barrier in their own family history research."
Beth, go to WeRelate's Most Wanted Categories page and tell me the that the top 50 surnames on that page, each of whom have over 3000 members (with the surnames of Smith, Calkins and Williams each with over 10,000), have "linking mechanisms" to each and every other surname in the same surname category. For sure they don't. What a daunting task they have! The WeRelate Surname pages and Surname Categories are in themselves the real one-name studies, and may help some members and users make the connection between them that they would not have found otherwise. That where the real information is; the Portal, at it's minimal use, hopefully can be used in highlighting those pages at WeRelate that go beyond researching single-family surname histories, and at it's greatest use, may be considered a gateway for those interested in discovering a broader perspective to the surnames they are interested in. --BobC 22:49, 16 August 2009 (EDT)

Well, Bob I don't really know what the 10,000 pages for Smith, Calkins and Williams have in common. I did not randomly select the Coker families and yes I am working on compiling fully researched, single-family histories of the families that I have discovered. As the administrator of the Coker DNA site, I may or may not cease to research certain family lines that I am presently researching. All of this still begs an answer to my initial question. Thanks. --Beth 23:29, 16 August 2009 (EDT)

I guess that's my point. The vast majority probably have very little in common. But then again some may have one or more pieces of genealogical data in common without the contributors knowing about it until they research it (or until a WR volunteer merger makes the connection). That's specifically one of the purposes of a One-Name Study: collecting and compiling apparantly disparate genealogical information in one place to try and find a related connection or common origin (such as you are pursuing on your DNA study). If you could double or triple the contributions to your Coker site or to your DNA project, don't you think that would proportionately increase your chance of discovering related connections or common origins?
You have quite a few contributed pedigrees from fellow researchers of the Coker name on your Patriarchs page, so in answer to your question that I am apparently eluding, you may want to utilize a relational database program to assist you in discovering common attributes between these individual names and Coker lines. While you may already be using a genealogical software program to track these family lines, keeping data tables on an Excel spreadsheet may help further, because you're able to view hundreds of items on a single sheet and use sorting options to recognize detectable patterns within the data.
Good luck in your search for connections. --BobC 09:20, 17 August 2009 (EDT)

Source Renaming Project Comments [8 September 2009]

A few comments and inquiries regarding sources and the source renaming project. --BobC 23:53, 8 September 2009 (EDT)


The "various source lists" sub-project [27 August 2009]

Hi, Bob---
I saw your comments on the Renaming Project page and just wanted to let you know that the actual discussion of what's in those lists, and what to do about them, is taking place on the adjoining Talk page. You made some excellent points in your earlier post there and I don't want someone with good sense to be left out simply by not knowing where the party is. --Mike (mksmith) 15:26, 27 August 2009 (EDT)

Hi Mike. Yes I hopped on the bandwagon. Think my foot got run over by a wheel as it rolled uncontrollably downhill, but that's what happens when you get in the way of a speeding horse and buggy on a narrow mountain path. --BobC 23:50, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

Great Site African American [3 September 2009]

Hi BobC - this is a page that is being watched by someone, but isn't linked to. Now categorized as misc. But it should be on your african american resource list. Source:Lowcountry Africana. It is a beautiful site. --Brenda (kennebec1) 10:57, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

Thanks, I added it to the African American Research Guide. --BobC 23:46, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

Source Page to Research Guide [8 September 2009]

Hi, I can't find where you (and I) volunteered to work on misc. sources and web pages that belong on Research guides and finding aids and articles, not as Sources. Now that I (think I) am done with the lists I volunteered to review, I can help with this. But now I can't find where we talked about it. Can you help? Thanks. --Brenda (kennebec1) 23:32, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

Pleae check WeRelate:Source_renaming_project#Various_source_lists. I haven't had as much time to review as I'd like because some of the entries take so long to find a good match and then transfer the link. Thanks for the assistance. --BobC 23:45, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

Back to websites [13 October 2009]

Hi BobC - I'm back to websites and moving family tree sources to surname pages... Just wanted you to know I was back working on these lists again...--Brenda (kennebec1) 21:18, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

I too was out of the loop for the past week. My wife and I just returned from a week-long Caribbean cruise yesterday. Unfortunately, access to the Internet is too expensive on the ship (55 cents per minute) to leisurely surf the net. --BobC 12:39, 20 September 2009 (EDT)
Bob, just updating you that I continue to slowly work my way through the "other" webpages, looking only for family trees that I am adding to the surname pages. In many cases, I am deleting the source page, tho not always.
Criteria I am using to decide to keep the source page:
  • if there is any content that could be, in fact, a source
  • if it is a surname page (broader than just one family)
  • if someone else is watching the page or linked to the page
  • if it is a large tree and/or has sources/citations/original documents scanned
I do have, as you know, some anxiety about deleting *ANY* page, but going through a lot of these does reassure me that there are a lot of RootsWeb individual family tree sites that really probably don't need to be sources. If someone does use a pages I've deleted as source, they can add it again, and I think they are generally easy to find via searches at RootsWeb or the internet in general. Mostly, the pages I'm deleting probably should be MySources if they were to be used by anyone.
If I keep the source page, I generally change its type to Misc. and put family history as the Subject. Sometimes I'm leaving it as a website, when I think it *could* be deleted, except that someone is watching it. Sometimes I've found some cool new sites to add to surname pages and/or sources that weren't originally in WeRelate.
Another observation: As Dallan has indicated in the past, the problem with website pages is that their names do often change. I have had to rename many of the sources I have kept to more accurately reflect their (current) page title. But this is something to keep in mind, as that means we may want to be able to find these sources again in the future to check them again.
Do you think we (collectively) should be discussing this? or is it safely noncontroversial? I hate to bring up source renaming again - everyone is so tired of it! --Brenda (kennebec1) 19:05, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Ethnic American Portal [20 September 2009]

Bob,

I finally got around to reviewing the Ethnic American portal you created. Wow. NICE job. Really nice. I love how you've written it and organized it. Really well done. I'm going to recommend we highlight this on the Community portal page (and also on the home page).

-- jillaine 08:05, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for the comments. It was actually Dallan's suggestion to do an African American ethnic portal and I thought that to be too selective, so he concurred with my recommendation to do a Portal for all WeRelate ethnic research pages. Hopefully the portal will encourage others to develop Ethnic American Research Guides for their own areas of interest or add to existing ones. I agree with your observation regarding the header for the Community Portal Pages that it may need to be modified to accomodate the growing number of prospective portals. I may add my comments to the talk page. Take care. --BobC 12:55, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

Do you have the plates for a mannlicher shoenauer manual [6 October 2009]

Cesar BobC: For years i try to find the 9 plates of my steyr mannlicher shoenauer 1900 manual (model 1903 greek), i have the hole text (31 pages) but sadly the 9 plates with diagrams and part list are missing, when ? i really don´t know, probably many decades ago, recently i found this interesting post, and pics about this rare gun, and now i try to assembly dissassembly this old rifle, gift of my father, 84 years old, so do you still have this information ? could you send me this plates in any format please ? i really apreciate this pictures, my manual is the german version but the plates only have graphics. My email is polivas@minem.gob.pe with a capacity of 15MB per attachment or percyolivas@hotmail.com best regards from southamerica percy olivas--Percyolivas 19:48, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Percy: Not sure as I can help, because I do not have the original plates. I scanned these from on-line printed sources, more for their value to me because of the reference to a distant Schönauer ancestral connection of which I have not yet proven than for it's value as a collectable weapon. Please refer to the Wikipedia article on the weapon manufacturer. You may also want to do a Google search on the Mannlicher-Schönauer term. Good luck in your search. if I find anything more specifically related to your search, I'll get back with you. Take care. --BobC 15:48, 16 October 2009 (EDT)

Ancestry and GEDCOM Export [29 October 2009]

Regarding Ancestry.com, I need some advice and/or assistance. I subscribed to Ancestry for two years, found quite a bit of data and sources relating to my ancestry and collateral lines, and accumulated about 1000 names on my on-line family tree. Now I find myself empathizing with smokers, who initially unwittingly and later unwillingly find themselves addicted to tobacco. I wasn't going to renew my subscription last month, but with the amount of information I added to my private family tree, I can't let it go to waste. And because of the amount of data and the number of names and sources obtained and stored, I don't have the time to transfer one-by-one to my desktop genie computer program or to WeRelate. Does anyone know if Ancestry.com has a GEDCOM download feature or a data back-up function? I can't afford to be locked into a lifetime subscription to Ancestry.com! --BobC 11:05, 28 October 2009 (EDT)

Well, they used to have GEDCOM export. Indeed, the wreckage of various ancestry exports is all over WR. I suspect that ancestry "support" ("ancestry support" being an unproved allegation in my view) could help with this. --Jrm03063 11:23, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
Ancestry has a gedcom export. It is located on the page where you manage your tree. Imported into WR it will look something like this page done by an Ancestry user Person:Ulysses Wadman (1). I'm not sure how your desktop will handle it. You won't get a complete listing of the family for a census - only the person it is attached to. --Judy (jlanoux) 17:12, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
Thank you both. I found it! For others seemingly caught in the abyss of Ancestry, you can recover and move your data. After you log on, click on the "Family Trees" tab and select one of your databases. On the right side of the screen, press "Export" and then "Download Your GEDCOM File." Simple. Now I'll have to see how it plays on WeRelate. I'll probably continue to use Ancestry for the rest of the year because of its outstanding collection of scanned original source records, but not for recording my family tree. --BobC 09:00, 29 October 2009 (EDT)--BobC 09:16, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

Thanks... and You're Welcome [8 December 2009]

I've been meaning to send you a note for several days now. I wanted to thank you for adding Camp Chase as the featured cemetery on the Cemetery Portal. That was quite a surprise! I also wanted to say "You're welcome" for the tweaks on the various cemetery pages. Now if we could just get at least one cemetery in each state...  :-) -- Amy 08:45, 4 December 2009 (EST)

Appreciate your note. I've added your excellent thought as a realistic and achievable goal for 2010 at the Cemetery Portal: at least one cemetery place page in each state recorded at WeRelate. --BobC 20:26, 6 December 2008 (CST)
By my count, we only have to add Alaska, Hawaii, New Jersey, South Dakota and Vermont. We could just go onto FindAGrave and find a cemetery in each of those states :-) --Amy 07:54, 8 December 2009 (EST)
After more thoroughly researching the US cem category page, I see most states are covered. But useful and useable page content within cemetery pages within those states vary widely, from a few very informative pages, to most that only have titles and very little useful information. Even a link to Find-A-Grave, Interment.net, or the Access Genealogy listing for those cemeteries would be an improvement. Hopefully through the Cemetery Portal we can encourage the enhancement and utilitization of more cemetery place pages at WeRelate. --BobC 11:57, 8 December 2008 (CST)

I know I'm guilty of making cemetery pages that only have the name. I just hate seeing the red link on the person page :-) I'm hoping over the holidays to beef up some of the pages. Like you said, even a link to FindAGrave or Interment.net would be a start. One thing I have tried to do is record the text of any historical markers, like I did with the Camp Chase Cemetery. For awhile I wondered if we were duplicating the efforts of FindAGrave, but I don't think we are. We can add so much more about the cemetery itself than what can be done on FindAGrave. -- Amy 17:14, 8 December 2009 (EST)

I agree. Thankfully I travel a lot, so I can add more detailed information on places I travel to when I have the time -- although my wife has little interest in visiting cemeteries. But hopefully more than just the two of us can work on them. --BobC 17:55, 8 December 2008 (CST)
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