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Hi--Thanks so much for your participation. You have created great pages. We would greatly appreciate your input on the help and tutorial pages. After drafting and multiple rewrites, well, they all look the same to me anymore. I want them to very clear and easy to use. If you have any comments or suggestions please email Solveig. Thanks again :)--sq 20:15, 27 June 2006 (MDT) Thanks so much for your suggestions. You are doing great work on the Mass research guide. I will be at the BYU conference tommorrow and at the FGS conference in Boston at the end of the month. Stop by and say hi if your close by. Thanks again. --sq 14:04, 31 July 2006 (MDT) Hi, WeRelate will feature ancestor pages in a few weeks and GEDCOM uploads about December, 2006. Ancestor pages will make posting biographies very simple. This has brought up some licensing issues. Please read [[Licensing_issues_discussion_page|]] and give us your opinion. This is the notice we're sending to our registered users. Thanks for your input in this matter. If you have any other comments, feel free to respond. Thanks --sq 16:08, 14 August 2006 (MDT) [add comment] [edit] Thank you for your comments on page titlesI think this latest solution is much better than what I had started out with, and I wouldn't have considered it without your thoughtful comments. Thanks.--Dallan 18:33, 24 August 2006 (MDT) [add comment] [edit] Thank you for your comments on image uploadingI wanted to thank your for your comments. I added a new license for copyrighted works before 1964 without renewal, as well as another case for works published without copyright notices before 1978. I've also added autocompletion on the image filename field in the person and family pages so you don't have to memorize the image title. I'll fix the "re-upload doesn't re-select the license" bug tomorrow.--Dallan 22:35, 13 November 2006 (MST) [add comment] [edit] Pedigree Migration MapHi, Just wanted to show off the Pedigree Migration Map. It is colored coded for vital information for children, spouse, subject, and six ancestors. You can click on the individuals you want to see at the top of the screen. What do you think? --Dallan 23:04, 22 November 2006 (MST) [add comment] [edit] Family Tree ExplorerHi, We just launched a early release of the Family Tree Explorer. In case you'd like to try it out, I've taken the pages that you've created and added them to a tree called "mytree". So when you launch Family Tree Explorer, you should be able to click on File then Open to view your tree. I'd be interested to get any feedback you have. We're going to be working on it intensely over the next several weeks, so this is a great time to have some input into how it will turn out.--Dallan 23:35, 20 January 2007 (MST) Dear Amelia, I have created a page for the William Morrow of Ireland My user name is CMorrow. Can you link it into your page. Cheers chris [add comment] [edit] You found a bugThank-you for your comment on WeRelate talk:Sources. You found a bug with search: if you leave the "place" field empty but enter something in the "located in" field, the search ignores the "located in" field. I'm going to fix this.--09:51, 8 May 2007 (MDT) [add comment] [edit] Can I get a gedcom for Lovejoy? [23 October 2007]Hi, it was great to see your input on my Maddocks lines and Lovejoy. Can you send me your gedcom file so I can merge it with mine? I will send you mine also if you want. My Maddocks Web page is here: http://www.pearception.org/phpged/index.php?ctype=gedcom&ged=maddocks01.ged My email: catchall@sisna.com Thank you! Larry Maddocks 801-759-1604 (my cell; call any time except between 2-7 am :-)--Waterart 12:39, 21 October 2007 (EDT) Thanks for the William Bassett link -- I especially appreciate the footnoting.--Hh219 13:03, 23 October 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Mayflower Lines [24 October 2007]Hi Amelia The line you have picked up on, is my proven descent from Francis Cooke of the Mayflower. Since this is still very new to me, I am not sure what you are saying that I might change? Bonnie--Bboops 03:48, 24 October 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Merging [26 November 2007]Thanks Amelia for merging the Phelps/Griswold family duplicate pages. What a feat that was! <g> I come across families all the time that need merged, but after a few early attempts and experiencing linking problems in the process, I have since chickened out. I may give it another try though. Thanks again! --Ronni 14:26, 26 November 2007 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Savage and Jeremiah Tibbetts [24 December 2007]The Savage reference on Jeremiah Tibbetts is very cool. I was hoping someone would give me that on CD-ROM for Christmas, but no luck yet. Before I try to educate myself on using it via the stuff you put in the source write-up, do you have a page number on that stuff? I'm propogating the reference and fragments of it... Thanks! jrm03063--Jrm03063 09:27, 24 December 2007 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Your Opinion / NEHGR source citation convention? [12 January 2008]Source style, S1 vs. S2 on the Person:Samuel Tibbetts (1) page. Your S2 is more economical in the sense that a web browser can easily jump you to the paper citation, which yields all the needed Source:The New England Historical and Genealogical Register information. S1 is more like what we might typically see published, but it yields a bit of irritating duplication as it gets used on different pages. I'm not sure what I prefer, but would like to follow a common convention.--Jrm03063 14:50, 11 January 2008 (EST)
I wasn't looking for anything as grand as an overall convention - that sort of thing will develop over time in the wiki tradition. I just knew that you and I had some overlap and wanted to have some broad sense of a convention. Thanks...--Jrm03063 08:44, 12 January 2008 (EST) [add comment] [edit] MorrowT.ged Imported Successfully [25 January 2008]The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported. For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.
[add comment] [edit] Doolittle & Ashley 27 Jan 2008Amelia, thanks for the updates to the pages of Eunice Doolittle, Samuel Ashley, et al. I appreciate the additional source information, which I am incorporating into my own offline database. Thank you. Jillaine [add comment] [edit] Nicholas Disborough and Elizabeth STRICKLAND [30 January 2008]I see you took off one of Nicholas' three wives, namely Elizabeth Strickland. I could not find a place on this site for sources. Could you tell me what sources you have for his wives? Larry Maddocks 801-759-1604 catchall at sisna . com--Waterart 23:25, 29 January 2008 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Changes/Quigley [6 February 2008]I am confused as to what you are doing. I am being notified you are making changes to pages I have entered, but the changes elude me. are you trying to merge overlapping entries? Please edify me. On another note, I see you have listed Quigley's in Wisconsin as a family of interest. My Great grandmother was Eliza Quigley who married Joseph Gray about 1852 and they first lived at a place called Brass Ball Wisconsin in Kenosha County. I remember seeing it as a child. There was a brass ball about the size of a grapefruit hanging from wires in the middle of an intersection. I don't believe the place consisted of any more than just one gas station. It wa practically right on the Illinois-Wisconsin state line, maybe 10 miles from lake Michigan. They moved to Lake Villa Illinois shortly after and remained there,no more than 5 miles from Brass Ball. I believe I have found Eliza with parents John and Mary (how unique) in Kenosha County in the 1850 census. Both parents aged 60 and are said to be born in Ireland and Eliza in Connecticut. From the 1880 census: Eliza GRAY Female Other Information: Birth Year <1832> Birthplace CT Age 48 Occupation Keeping House Marital Status M <Married> Race W <White> Head of Household Joseph Gray Relation Wife Father's Birthplace IRE Mother's Birthplace IRE Source Information: Census Place Antioch, Lake, Illinois Family History Library Film 1254221 NA Film Number T9-0221 Page Number 632D Joseph Gray was born in Londonderry to Scottish parents and emigrated alone to Montreal at 9 yrs old where he lived with a married sister. I believe I have seen evidence that Eliza was born in Danbury, CT. I found the following on line: Tombstone in Old St. Marks Cemetery, Kenosha, WI Mary Quigley Born Feburary 18, 1818 in Donegal County, Ireland Died January 7, 1909. Headstone: Gray Granite, Artwork: Cross on horizontal surface, scrolls on top of front surface. (possible older sister?--Scot 18:12, 6 February 2008 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Parentage of Robert Fuller 3 [1 March 2008]Amelia, You have added parents for Robert Fuller (John Fuller and Ann Collinge), but you did not cite any sources. I think parentage, especially for the earlier immigrants should always be sourced before they are added as their is often a lot of bad secondary sources and leaps of faith associated with this in many family histories that I think we all want to avoid. Do you have a source for this? If so, it would be great to bring this line back further in time as you are suggesting. Cheers, Jeff--Jbernard 14:30, 29 February 2008 (EST) Amelia, I saw your note on my talk page on this topic. Thanks. I'll visit the Robert Fuller talk page to pursue this further. Thanks for merging all these trees/lines. I'm still new on this and trying to figure out how to do that. Best regards, Jeff--Jbernard 00:10, 1 March 2008 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Changing Nickolas Snow [3 March 2008]Dear Miss Gerlicher, Hi I am kaye 1966. I believe you changed my tree on MyRelate. I am afraid I am a novice just beginning to learn about MyRelate. I am having some difficulty. I can not determain the changes made. If you will so kind to tell me how I can view the changes and what you knew to make those changes. Thank you so much, Kaye1966--Kaye1966 15:35, 3 March 2008 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Atherton [7 March 2008]Hi Amelia Are you also a Mayflower? Seems we have much in common. I am still trying to figure out how werelate really works, so I am not very good on the editing end. Looks like you have mastered it. Would you do me a favor and give me a quick tutorial? Every time I go through the tutorial, I just smiss something, or just mess up. Thanks, Bonnie--Bboops 10:27, 7 March 2008 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Your updates to my family tree [8 March 2008]Thank you so much for your efforts, Amelia. I notice you have made many changes, especially to collateral lines but sometimes to my direct ancestry as well. I especially appreciate the sources you add. I started this as a personal hobby directed to my husband's and my direct lines with little regard for collateral data. You have expanded this to make my tree much more useful to other researchers. With your efforts, perhaps we can one day either (1) correct much of the erroneous data out there or (2) at least provide all the versions with sources, thus allowing future researchers to weigh the evidence for themselves. Best, Doris--Doriswh 09:07, 8 March 2008 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Baileywick update [30 March 2008]Amelia, Thank you for the correction and update! My granddaughter's name is Amelia! Regards, Joseph.--JFBailey 14:29, 30 March 2008 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Birth of Benjamin [23 April 2008]Jane Dabinott married Thomas Newberry in 1630, when she was 15. But she is shown as having Benjamin in 1624, which would be six years before she was married. And she would be nine years old when she bore Benjamin. Is her birth date wrong? Or is Benjamin's? Just trying to make sense of this. Thanks. Dick Holmes--Osmond 00:33, 23 April 2008 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] WeRelate time disappearing [29 May 2008]Hi Amelia, I will miss your contributions to WeRelate. Hope that you can return soon. --Beth 08:09, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Hello... [19 June 2008]It's good to see you back working. You have a ruthless streak with respect to this stuff that I've come to appreciate. :)--Jrm03063 16:18, 17 June 2008 (EDT) Hi, I'm relatively new here. Seeing all the duplicates bugs me so I've been merging files as I go along. Many of the ones I've merged I see you've done work on after the fact. Am I causing problems for you? Don't want to make more work. Also, I thought in the past I was able to delete pages like, unknown m. unknown, but don't seem to be able to now. (I saw you did delete one of these I am talking about.) Anyhow, let me know if you'd prefer I didn't merge these duplicates together. Angela--Feenerty 18:24, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
okey dokey--Feenerty 21:30, 18 June 2008 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Mayflower destined for Hudson Bay? [20 June 2008]Your templates are lovely, but the Mayflower Template says the destination was supposed to be Hudson Bay. The river Hudson maybe, the Chesapeake Bay maybe, but Hudson Bay - early settlers of Churchill perhaps?--Jrm03063 15:36, 20 June 2008 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Volunteer Hours [23 July 2008]Hi Amelia, How are you and the baby? Hope all is well. You have done some really nice work on the website. I really appreciate your efforts to clean things up and contribute research helps. I have often wondered what your background is. Anyway, I was wondering if you could estimate the time you have spent on developing sources and cleaning up, and record it at the WeRelate:Administrator_log. I need to track volunteer hours in order to keep our non-profit status. Thanks again for all you do.--sq 13:02, 23 July 2008 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Thanks [24 July 2008]Thanks for recording your time. We really do appreciate your contributions to the website.--sq 14:27, 24 July 2008 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Source:Missouri, 1910 federal census : soundex and population schedules [25 July 2008]Hi Amelia, I was going through the Category:Speedy delete and was wondering what the plan is. The FHLC collection is redundant, frustrating, poorly organized and generally difficult to navigate. OK, so that's an understatement. In the beginning, we "crawled" FamilySearch and uploaded the results into the source directory. We have spent hours and hours reorganizing their sources. Spencer is currently adding several thousand more FHLC links that we identified to the place database. They were always there, but the place name was spelled differently. UGh! Our current system with the indexing and search capacity is much better than what FamilySearch has. But, it still needs a lot of work. I really appreciate the time you have been donating to the project. You have been a great help. Before I delete all those pages, I was wondering if you would mind sharing your ideas. All the FHLC pages on WeRelate are real items from the FHLC catalog. Some items are redundant and have simply spelled the title a little differently. Some items are duplicates. Some items from the catalog are blank. Have you found these population schedule films in another entry? Or, do you have a better indexing plan? If the information doesn't appear elsewhere, I'm not sure that categories are the solution. Most of our users are not all that wiki-savvy and don't know what categories are. Thanks so much for your time and input. :)--sq 12:54, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Lease.ged Imported Successfully [13 August 2008]The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported. For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.
[add comment] [edit] Kelsey Merge [30 September 2008]I noticed you had updated some of Kelsey info. Very exciting! This is the first time any of my data has had any activity. I was able to review and merge some sketchy data I had into some much better info. This makes my tree much better. This is the power of WeRelate. I love it! Thanks!--Srblac 20:55, 29 September 2008 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Thanks and DNA project [6 October 2008]Hi Amelia, Your contributions to WeRelate are wonderful; thank you. Question about your DNA project; I tried several links but never found an actual table listing the marker results for each participant. Interested in viewing the results and the lineages established. I am not a Morrow; I am the administrator of the Coker DNA site. --Beth 20:56, 6 October 2008 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Merge not quite right [19 October 2008]Hi Amelia, On Family:James Allen and Margaret Coppin (1) the merged page shows a child born in 1722 when the father died in 1657; something not quite right?? --Beth 23:10, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
Okay, great. --Beth 00:09, 20 October 2008 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] What does it mean to... ? [7 November 2008]"Propagating changes to a family member"? I keep seeing this comment related to changes you make on pages that I'm watching. English please? Thanks! Jillaine 14:25, 2 November 2008 (EST)
Amelia, Thanks again for your good edits -- this time to elizabeth george. I like the link you added to the talk page. I will follow that example in the future. Ultimately, I'll track down the source for that argument and put it back on the main page (if you don't beat me to it!) Jillaine 08:03, 7 November 2008 (EST) [add comment] [edit] COLE family [5 November 2008]I see that you have information on the COLE family that is in my tree. I have not done a lot of looking at the commonalities, however I plan on it. I was wondering if you have the COLE family as a Mayflower Family? Thanks for the links as up until now I have seen NO activity on my pages. Heather--Gendigger 08:12, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Thank you for the information.--Gendigger 22:31, 4 November 2008 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Stanley & Bertha Hall [8 November 2008]Hi Amelia, I received the notification from WeRelate that you made some updates. It's not clear, what changes/ updates you made and I'm just curious how you are related. You can contact me off-line at david7dog@yahoo.com. Thanks, Dave--David7dog 15:45, 8 November 2008 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] work on my tree [19 November 2008]You have been picking away at the people in my tree for some time - not that I have any complaints about it - you are welcome to do so. My problem is I got an email from the we relate people requesting that I merge my duplicates or have my tree removed from the site. I don't have time to do any merging, so I assume my data is going to self destruct. If you still want to go through it, it is available on Rootsweb in the World Connect section. The name of the database is and always will be marr794. Here is a direct link: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=marr794&I11.x=24&I11.y=8 Sorry. I wish I had time to really work this site, but I am overloaded as it is. Ann Marr--Marr794 20:49, 16 November 2008 (EST) Oooh... I just looked at her WorldConnect GEDCOM. If the version of same on WeRelate is anything like it, DO NOT delete it. She's done nice work, and shared her documentation. Keep it keep it!!! ;-) jillaine 20:58, 16 November 2008 (EST) I won't delete the tree myself - it will be done by the administrators of the site. I am going to delete the email I got without responding to it - that is the best I can do. And sometime in the future, I might have time to work my way through this site. Ann Marr--Marr794 21:18, 16 November 2008 (EST)
Here's the story: There are about 120 users with more than 100 pages in their trees that probably need to be merged. Most of them have only 100-200 pages to merge, but some have more than 1000. We recently sent out an email to these users asking for their help in merging. We told them that if they were not interested in helping to merge, that their trees would be deleted. The reason is that many of the trees that I've seen aren't all that great, and it doesn't seem fair to ask the "duplicate review committee" to merge an estimated 200,000 people by themselves. However, if a tree has a lot of good data and the committee doesn't mind merging it, I certainly won't delete it. I'm not planning to delete trees until early next year. We'll contact users again between now and the end of the year and tell them how many of their pages have already been merged and ask again if they'd like to get involved. I figured that early next year we'd list the trees with a lot of duplicates where the owners haven't gotten involved in the merge process. The duplicate review committee can decide whether or not to keep the trees. So if you'd like to keep Ann Marr's tree that's fine with me. An exception to the above is that roughly 10% of the people we have contacted have "unsubscribed" from WeRelate - they've clicked on the "unsubscribe" link in one of the email notifications that we've sent them so they no longer receive any email notifications from WeRelate. I want to review the contributions made by these users to see if they're still active at all, and if they're not I'd like to list their trees sooner (in the next week or so) and ask the committee to decide whether or not to keep those trees. Just as an FYI, if a tree is deleted, pages that are being watched by others (i.e., pages that have been merged with others' pages) won't be deleted. Just pages that are being watched only by the original contributor get deleted. How does that sound?--Dallan 21:09, 18 November 2008 (EST)
That's the idea - anyone could say: please don't delete this user's tree -- I'll help merge the duplicates. And the entire tree would not be deleted.--Dallan 00:45, 19 November 2008 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Jonathan Fairbanks (5)]] [19 November 2008]Great stuff you've got here. Thanks!! Linda--Lmuessig 23:55, 18 November 2008 (EST) [add comment] [edit] George and Phoebe Parkhurst [3 December 2008]Hi Amelia How could Benjamin be a son of the above couple? His date of birth being almost 20 years after Joseph, and his mother dying in the early 1640's? Bonnie--Bboops 13:22, 3 December 2008 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Redundant category [7 December 2008]why did you add back the redundant Category:Notable people for, for instance, U.S. Presidents? --ceyockey 18:13, 6 December 2008 (EST) Because it's not redundant. It adds the Presidents to the Notable people category without having to add it to every single one of their pages. That the presidents is also a sub-category is just a navigational thing.--Amelia 18:15, 6 December 2008 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Page Title Naming [19 January 2009]Amelia, The conversation at the Watercooler is slower than a Quaker meeting for business and I'm finding it very frustrating. I'm sure I've contributed to what makes it frustrating as my ignorance of werelate personalities and protocols is slowly chipped away. But given that you raised this issue, I figure you care about it. And given your tremendous contribution to werelate, I respect your views a great deal. I'd like both to reach agreement with you and address the concerns I've raised if at all possible. However, I see no progress towards such a goal possible thru the current "conversation" happening at the watercooler. Do you have any suggestions for how we might proceed? Respectfully, jillaine 08:51, 16 January 2009 (EST)
Okay, here it is 5:30 am in California. My east coast clock is still clearly in control. All that said, the thomas carters of early massachusetts are back to their original names. Phew! We good now, Amelia? :-) jillaine 08:34, 19 January 2009 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Murdo MacKenzie & Ann Maclean [20 January 2009]Hello Amelia,WeRelate informs me you are showing an interest in Murdo MacKenzie & Ann Maclean.Do you have any connection to these names. Kind regards, Sheila MacKenzie.--Durry42 15:11, 20 January 2009 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Request for Comment [28 January 2009]Hi Amelia, I see that you've been doing some mopping up of some recent merges I made. Did I make a mistake in how I did the merges? If so I'd like to avoid it in the future. Thanks! --JoshHansen 18:00, 25 January 2009 (EST)
These are the changes I was talking about. Sorry the formatting's not very good:
[add comment] [edit] Person:William Allgar (1) [3 February 2009]Hi, Are you connected with Awputnam? I am checking questionable merges and I noticed that you did some work on Person:William Allgar (1) who was later merged with Person:William Marlar (1) they seem to have no information in common other that a marriage to Person:Margaret Parye (1). Although it is possible that these two men were the same individual, the death dates are off by 27 years and she could have just as easily been married to two different men with the first name of William. Thoughts? --sq 12:02, 3 February 2009 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Jacob Mast [15 February 2009]Good Morning Amelia: I got an email regarding you making a change to Jacob Mast. I was wondering what that change was. Jacob Mast is my 4th Ggrandfather. The information I have is from extracted records on microfilm Thanks for getting back to me. Joan Wipff Glasgow--Joankwg1940 11:44, 15 February 2009 (EST)
What child was he linked to. In my database he was correct. Somehow it got changed or????--Joankwg1940 11:55, 15 February 2009 (EST) Are you related to Jacob Mast, or were you just cleaning up stuff? Joan Wipff Glasgow--Joankwg1940 11:58, 15 February 2009 (EST) He was linked to himself. Jacob 7 was the child of Jacob Mast and Christina Keppler (1) and the spouse of both that couple and Jacob Mast and Christina Keppler (2). And now that I look at it, I didn't get to the merge for some reason. I'm not related, I'm going through M names in need of merging.--Amelia 12:04, 15 February 2009 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Elizabeth Crispe [21 February 2009]Amelia, Sorry I let that wrong birth date for Elizabeth Crispe slip by when I was doing a merge. I have the same information in my records from the History of Watertown that you cite. Are we cousins on this line? --Susan Irish 22:52, 20 February 2009 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks [23 February 2009]Thanks for straightening up those sources on Thomas Hale (9). Later! --JoshHansen 00:04, 23 February 2009 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Merges [24 February 2009]Hi, I am helping to clean up the abandoned gedcoms. The feeling is that we may want to delete gedcoms of people who have elected not to recieve email from WeRelate. We can't colaborate with people who do not want to be contacted. You have merged many of the pages from these gedcoms and are not watching those pages. The unwatched pages would be deleted. Would you mind taking a look at WeRelate_talk:Duplicate_review#Unsubscribers_with_a_lot_of_duplicates_.5B24_February_2009.5D and giving us your opinion on these gedcoms. I don't want to do a global delete on a gedcom that is important to you. Thanks. :)--sq 13:45, 24 February 2009 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Sleepless in Bethesda [5 March 2009]Couldn't sleep tonight; did a bunch of work on Great Migration Ships. Added several ships and did some other cleanup. Now going to try to get a couple hours shut-eye before I have to get up for work. G'night (or g'morning, as the case may be). -- jillaine 04:19, 5 March 2009 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Your Doolittle Connection? [12 March 2009]Hi Amelia, What's your DOOLITTLE connection? They are woven interestingly through my husband's line:
And I think I've seen other Doolittle weavings into my husband's side branches. You? -- Jillaine jillaine 22:26, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks for your additions [24 March 2009]Thanks for your additions to my family tree - I am new at this after inheriting my father's work he had done for many years on our family genealogy. I didn't have much interest in it when he was alive and now am very regretful that I wasn't more interested when he could have explained what he was doing, shared his excitement about this hobby, etc. He did it many years ago the hard way - without the Internet! I do remember his excitement when he told us we were related to Pricilla Alden. Thanks again. Betty Wolff--Finallyretired 08:33, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Help:Formatting [29 April 2009]Amelia, it looks like some text was deleted from the Help:Formatting page after your edits. Are you still editing it?--Jennifer (JBS66) 11:27, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
I see now - there was just an extra ! at the end of the comment you added (I removed it). I posted a note to Dallan to clarify that Scotland example and then I was going to edit the help. I really like your idea of commenting it out in the meantime though!--Jennifer (JBS66) 12:26, 29 April 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Minor Edits [1 May 2009]Happy to comply. I'm new here and haven't caught on to all the "amenities". Regards.. Neal--Neal Gardner 13:26, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Samuel Morrow, Madison Co, TN [5 May 2009]I'm new to the we relate site but saw where someone had sent in a test that was a decendent of Samuel Morrow and Sarah McKnight. I'm confused as to the results. Are there results that show who he was descended from? Can you explain to me, PLEASE? I'm a descendent of Samuel and Sarah, as follows: Samuel J. Morrow m. Sarah F. McKnight children: (1) William Jackson Morrow m. Mary M. Nanney children: (a) Horace Hood Morrow (b) Charles Whitfield Morrow died in 1919; killed during WWI in France (c) Hugh Samuel Jackson Morrow (d) Thomas Battle "Turley" Morrow (e) Wade Cleveland Morrow m. Lillie Leandra Jones children: 1. Donald (twin of Dora) - deceased by age 2 - died bet. 1912 & 1914* 2. Dora (twin of Donald) - deceased by age 2 - died bet. 1912 & 1914* 3. Katie Mai - deceased by about age 4 - died bet. 1912 & 1914* 4. Thomas "Turley" - died at about age 9 - died bet. 1912 & 1914* 5. Charles "Charlie" (deceased) m. Clara Wheeler (deceased) children: a. Thomas (deceased) b. Jimmy Dayle 6. John Jackson (deceased) - never married; no children 7. Lessie Lee (deceased) m. James Loines (deceased)- no children 8. Mable (deceased) m. _____ Glozier (deceased)- children all girls 9. Edna Hazel Elizabeth (deceased) m. William Carl Thrasher (deceased) children: a. Helen Christine (deceased) m. Robert Hart (deceased) b. George Wade (killed in lawn mowing accident) m. three times so won't list at this time c. Ramona Laverne m. Porter Eugene Tucker (deceased) d. Thomas Ray m. Helen Christine (can't remember maiden name at the moment) e. John William Stanley m. married three times so won't list at this time f. Mary Alice - died in 1949 g. Clare Paulette b. 1950 m. James Billy Richard Johnson children: -1- Derek Richard m. Lisa Elaine Haddock -2- Melissa Paulette m. Billy Gene Franks (This is ME!!) -3- Kristy Elizabeth m. Jimmy Dewayne Calton
I have much more detail including more information regarding children. I have recently been trying to locate the children of my great-grandfather's brother, Thomas. I know he had two sons but wether they had sons or not - I have no clue. My cousin, Jimmy Dayle (the LAST Morrow, as we call him) has been wanting to participate in the DNA testing but I don't know if he ever has. I can't afford to have the testing done on myself let alone on anyone else. I'm hoping that you will be able to answer my questions and maybe my small list of family will help fill in a few gaps for someone else. I will be more than happy to provide more information if you need it. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Melissa--Copslady551 21:00, 4 May 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Person: Charles Curtis 1860-1936 [13 June 2009]Hello Amelia, I wanted to check with you first on this. This week I am researching Vice President Charles Curtis for another project. I noticed he had a WeRelate Person page that you are watching, probably uploaded by someone else it looks like. I would be interested in researching and then adding his maternal (American Indian) side. How does that sound to you? Debbie Freeman --DFree 11:30, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
Hello Amelia, I have just added a website source for Vice President Charles Curtis. Would you please double check that I did this correctly, or suggest? Thanks Debbie Freeman --DFree 21:57, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
Thank You for your help. Debbie Freeman--DFree 00:47, 13 June 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Nice clean-up work on Roger Conant [29 June 2009]Just perused your clean-up of the Roger Conant page. Nice work, Amelia. -- jillaine 08:01, 29 June 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Doolittle [4 July 2009]Amelia, I hope you don't mind but I did some minor cleanup on the Doolittle article you pointed to on Dallan's talk page. Not trying to get in the way, just some obvious fixes. If you don't like same, please feel free to revert. Also, I didn't bother to kill the additional Loulemann references, as that's part of the bone of contention at the moment. But in truth, they don't seem to add anything useful, and deleting them would be consistent with recent discussions on the WaterCooler. Q 19:39, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] [5 July 2009]I'm sorry about the duplications. I was working all day today on merging matching families and I just wasn't checking my e-mail to get the messages about changes you were making. I'm glad you told me that I need to match sources as I haven't really done that yet. I may be confused on a couple of points. When I'm matching families, am I not supposed to check one of my sources if it is already showing up in the other family. I was under the impression (perhaps wrongly) that I was supposed to do so as a confirmation. But maybe that it what is contributing to unnecessary duplication. Bear with me. I'm still learning your system. Lou Lehmann--Loulehmann 22:47, 4 July 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Clarifications [6 July 2009]Amelia, I honestly don't recall doing repeat edits on the Doolittle and Bingham pages. I do want to thank you for the clarifications that I'm not supposed to check data or sources which are already there on the page being compared. Unfortunately I have already done it the wrong way on numerous pages, in fact all of my matched families. I hope this doesn't present too big a a problem. I will certain change my ways for future editing. I'm now working on matching sources as you suggested but I am currently rather ill so I don't know when I will have it done. When I do complete that matching, should I go ahead and import? Lou Lehmann--Loulehmann 15:36, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Michael Martin and Mattie Green (1) Redirect [15 July 2009]Amelia, I assume that the merge took your record for Myda Martin (my grandmother) and updated your record where she was still living. I am new to We Relate. Does this mean we are related through Myda? Or you a system administrator/volunteer? Thank you for this system. Michael Helmantoler--Mhelmantoler 11:15, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] trees vs register [15 July 2009]Amelia, I just read of your dislike of 'trees' and have to agree with you!! I'm still very wiki-challenged but I just wrote a bit on Dallan's todo list talk page: my thoughts on trees and a suggestion for their replacement. Not being a programmer, I have no idea if it's workable or not. I wondered if you would look at it and tell me if there is any hope of getting a register instead of 'trees'. I think it would be very helpful to newbies to see something familiar. I wrote it here: [1]. That may not have been the best place to put it, but I wasn't ready to display my ignorance at the watercooler.--Janiejac 16:32, 15 July 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Thanks so much [21 July 2009]Hi, Thanks so much for helping out. I really appreciate it. Could you let me know when you last patrolled the person namespace? Thanks again, --sq 21:34, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Source Page Title Examples [29 July 2009]Amelia, on the Help:Source Page Title Examples page, would you please use the talk page to explain why you think various things should be changed? You haven't signed any of the changes you've made -- several of which other people aren't agreeing with -- and we shouldn't have to examine the History to figure out who thinks what. This is meant to be a discussion. --Mike (mksmith) 16:35, 29 July 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] An unlooked for linkage... [30 July 2009]I was just inspecting some of the changes resulting from the wikipedia refresh, and I noted that the link for the WP page to US Presidents is now being swapped out for your US Presidents category page. I'm sure it's just a side effect of all the automatic linking that the agent does - your category page being sourced from WP - but it's a cool freebie. --Jrm03063 17:44, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] category census [23 August 2009]
The formats are: 1XXX U.S. Census, 1XXX State census, and State census records. (state is rthe state name). The middle one is the one that goes on each census page, the other two are its parent categories.--Amelia 13:09, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Book vs. Govt/Church Record [21 August 2009]I couldn't bear to add any more ones and zeroes to the topic over in source rename, so I'm following up with you here. Hope you don't mind. Now that Dallan has added back in the fields I needed, I'll go back and change as appropriate, but could you advise me, please? On the following? Should they be Gov/Church?
Thanks! -- jillaine 16:31, 21 August 2009 (EDT) Ugh. These are wonderful examples of why I hate this rule. These are all vital records, and nobody except the catalog has any clue who their "authors" are. But based on the rules set by Dallan, only the second one could I justify officially calling a Gov/church record. All the "compiler" really did in that case was copy an older set of records. (There's got to be a 'transcriber' exception to the author rule, because otherwise every census transcription gets its own page, and that's just ridiculous.) But it could probably go either way, you're the human, you call it ;-) --Amelia 16:42, 21 August 2009 (EDT) Done. Thanks. btw, i concur. jillaine 16:50, 21 August 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Done for the Day! [22 August 2009]Okay, I've been doing this for hours. Time to stop. Wish you lived nearby. I'd invite you over for dinner (bbq) and a good stiff drink! ;-) Oh. Um, if you're Mormon, I've got some decaf iced tea! ;-) cya around. take a break. -- Jillaine--jillaine 18:25, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
A margarita or a glass of wine will do. I'm also disappearing for most of the day, and will endeavor not to check my email on my phone, because when I read and can't respond I just get grumpy :-) [add comment] [edit] Mourt's Relation [22 August 2009]Hi Amelia, On Source:Mourt's relation : a journal of the Pilgrims of Plymouth, are you sure that the book referred to in the FHL catalog and the book on books.google are the same? The one on Google doesn't mention "A Journal of the Pilgrims of Plymouth"; its full title is "Mourt's relation or journal of the plantation at Plymouth with an Introduction and Notes." Also, the one on Google has 158 pages and, according to the FHL catalog, the other one has only 97. I wonder if the Google one is actually a 2nd edition. The reason I ask is that its on the page of sources I'm going through for the Source Renaming Project. Thanks, Amy--Ajcrow 18:41, 22 August 2009 (EDT) Hi Amy, You know, I have no idea. I think what happened is that I was looking at Google Books and just added it as a link when I went to cite the source, not thinking more of it. If you can't tell one way or the other, though, I would leave it, since the text is apt to be from the original either way, and the important citations are all going to be to the original text. Note on the source page that they might be different, though.--Amelia 23:06, 22 August 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] I don't think we should tell [23 August 2009]I think it would be a wise idea that we not let on that you and I are one and the same person. ;-) -- jillaine 14:02, 23 August 2009 (EDT) It might complicate things, yes. ;-) --Amelia 14:15, 23 August 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Early Records of the Arnold Family [28 August 2009]Hello Amelia, This was on my Source Rename Project list. Do you want to edit this? Is this a duplicate you want to merge? I can't really find anything wrong with this. Debbie Freeman --DFree 21:18, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Source Questions... [5 September 2009]I just saw your change to Source:History of Hamilton County, Ohio : with illustrations and biographical sketches, which is cool. I was wondering a couple things:
Thanks... --Jrm03063 12:40, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Hello Amelia from Amelia : ) [7 September 2009]Hello there, (I thought I had responded to you, but I totally spaced, forgive the delay) It is odd to see someone with the name Amelia. It's not very common, is it? My mom thought Amy was short for Amelia, so for most of my life I was called Amy. Now I go by Amelia, which is my real name. On WeRelate I guess I will sign myself as Amelia J. or Amelia buckaroo : ) Very nice to meet you, and thank you for the kind note. It does seem like there are many ways to do the transcription thing.... I have had some good suggestions. I'm about 80% done with the actual typing and am creating the family tree, so I should be able to upload the whole thing in the next week or so. I'm glad I finally dove into WeRelate... I have known about it for awhile, but until this project presented itself, I didn't have a clear idea on what to contribute. It would be a massive project to clean up my database for uploading here. Also, I clearly have some learning to do on the different naming conventions, etc. thanks again, talk to you soon, Amelia J.--88buckaroo 21:45, 6 September 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Brackett Genealogy source cleanup question [8 September 2009]Hello Amelia, I decided to direct this to you after reviewing all the different places where Sources are being discussed (Portal talk source, WeRelate talk source review, WeRelate source renaming project... etc.) There are 2 source pages for the Brackett Genealogy by H. I. Brackett, 1907 1)[[http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Source:Ancestry.com_-_Brackett_genealogy_:_descendants_of_Anthony_Brackett_of_Portsmouth_and_Captain_Richard_Brackett_of_Braintree_with_biographies_o Source:Ancestry.com - Brackett genealogy : descendants of Anthony Brackett .....]] and 2) [[http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Source:Brackett_genealogy_:_descendants_of_Anthony_Brackett_of_Portsmouth%2C_and_Captain_Richard_Brackett_of_Braintree_:_with_biographies_of_the_immigrant_fathers%2C_their Source:Brackett genealogy : descendants of Anthony Brackett ...]] it seems like these two would have probably been addressed in the recent source cleanup project, so I wanted to check with someone first before I jumped in. My initial interest was to add a link to my website, where I have partial transcripts of this title. I, of course, want to add this link to the 1907 version, for copyright reasons. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the 2nd version is just a 1986 reprint... if so, I assume it should not have it's own page.. is that correct? (from something you said on the watercooler "And, in the course of that project, we've confirmed what is said above: Different editions get different pages, but transcriptions and reprints do not.--Amelia 12:36, 5 September 2009 (EDT)") If so, I would like to combine these into one source and take the "Ancestry.com" out of the title. I will also add the repository Heritage Quest online. Do you guys consider HQ a paid site? I think of it as free because many people can access it with their library cards. Don't worry : ) I won't be directly asking you ALL my newbie questions : ) but this seemed like an area where you are a go-to person and from the various lists, it seems like a title that has already been cleaned up. Is there a way to tell if a particular source page has been cleaned up? thank you for any help you can give me on this, also, if it is appropriate to link to partial transcripts on my own web page. Amelia J. (t.o.a. the other amelia : )--88buckaroo 13:20, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
thank you very much. that is very clear and helpful. I'm glad you told me about the speedy delete... that would have thrown me : ) hope you had a good weekend : ) Amelia J. (t.o.a.)--88buckaroo 21:36, 7 September 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Ferree First Four Generations Project [22 October 2009]My name is Charles Heisterkamp (kamp3genealogy@netscape.net). I note that we share an interest in members of the Morrow family. I have placed the first FIVE generations of the Ferree family in America on WeRelate. I hope to improve the primary documentation through a cooperative effort to locate wills, land records, etc. I do have more extensive data on some of their descendants. I would be happy to exchange information with you. I have read your comments on your DNA Project and have looked at your Rootsweb file. I believe we both have information that is currently not on the other persons file. Have a great day. Charles--Ckamp3 20:32, 18 October 2009 (EDT)
Members of the Daniel Ferree family descendants and a Morrow family married. Joseph Morrow (1769) married Sarah Gillian, Ewing Morrow (~1774) married Eliz. Gilliam, and Mary E. Morrow (~1809) married Jos. D. Ferree. I thought these Morrows were part of the family you are studying. Perhaps I am mistaken. Thanks for your reply. Charles
Thank you for the above information. I'll focus on the information you have posted at Rootsweb. I appreciate how much effort is needed for the project you are doing - and that adding other material can significantly increase the work required. As a physician, as well as a genealogist, I have found many instances where collateral material has led to better information about a study that is name based. In addition there are developments in maternal genetics that may, in the near future, be of benefit. Have a great day and thanks for the followups. Charles [add comment] [edit] Your DNA Morrow page [24 October 2009]Hi Amelia, I just saw your Morrow DNA page and am impressed. I would like very much to do something like that for the Jackson Project (FTDNA). I am not the project administrator. I have a Jackson web site and am working closely with the former administrator of the Jackson Project. The Jacksons have over 270 men tested now with 30 men whose results indicate a relationship to the Jackson line I am following (Hempstead Jacksons). I'd like to start out doing a page just for those 30 men; most of those 30 are already in my data base, but though most are connected, some are what I call Broken Branches; we don't know where they connect. Would you have any suggestions for me? Or would it seem too much like a copy-cat for me to use a layout similar to yours? I had been pondering what I could do for the Broken Branches but just wasn't sure how to present it. What you have done seems perfect. (Our Jackson admin does not want to use WorldFamilies site, so I'm thinking WeRelate could be an even better alternative.) Any comments? --Janiejac 00:10, 25 October 2009 (EDT) Hi Janie, Feel free to use whatever format helps you. I've gone back and forth about where to use pages that other people can edit, but that hasn't really been an issue so far, and having the results list require my own work has worked out mostly okay...although I think it's in need of updating at the moment... Anyway, good luck - I was just getting confused over our 90 members the other day, so I think you're wise to start with 30 :-) --Amelia 00:13, 25 October 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Edward III [1 November 2009]Amelia, I think you have a typo in your notes on Edward III. You show his reign ending 1357, and his successor taking over in 1377. My records show Edward III from 1327 to 1377. Could we just have a typo? Thanks for all the good work. Dick Holmes--Osmond 23:18, 31 October 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Well, if you'd called me like I asked... [19 November 2009]
[add comment] [edit] MURRAY FAMILY OF SELKIRK SCOTLAND MATCHES MORROW FAMILY IN USA Y~DNA (37) [14 January 2010]Morrow of Pennsylvania, Maryland, Ohio & Gettysburg, My name is Alexandrina Murray from Sydney Australia. My father who is 94 years old and a MURRAY has submitted a 67 marker yDNA test with Familytree DNA.The purpose of this post is to inform other members of Morrow research society etc that my father's results are now in and the 25 , 37 and 67 marker test matches with Morrow family members related to the following 4 or 5 distinct Morrow-Murray families. My own Murrays were stated to be descended from Murray of Philiphaugh in Selkirkshire: Thomas Morrow born 1797 married Matilda Blair- in Pennsylvania -they lived in York County in the same town as Governor Jeremiah Morrow of Ohio and his family. Thomas Morrow and Matilda Blair were the parents of Physician- Doctor Lafayette Blair Morrow born 1830 circa in Ohio. There were a number of other siblings of this couple. The family moved to Pennsylvania- Maryland, Ohio, Illinois and elsewhere. Thomas appears to have had a brother names Abel Morrow who married Lucinda Blair- sister of Matilda. There were a number of descendants of this couple. Thomas Morrow is said by some researchers to be a son of Governor Jeremiah Morrow of Ohio, who was the father of eleven children who survived him, and a number who died in infancy. Jeremiah Morrow born 1771 circa was a son of John Murray and Mary Lockhart of Pennsylvania. John Murray's name is cited in the historical records of Ohio to have morphed to the name Morrow in the 1770's. John Murray born 1740 circa was a son of Jeremiah Murray and his wife Sarah Murray. Jeremiah had emigrated to Gettysburg area where he was an elder in the Covenanting Kirk - dissenting United Presbyterians- in that area. This was 1745 circa. His family were of Scottish descent and hailed from the Ettrick Forest area in Selkirkshire and Traquair to Eddleston area of Peebles Shire. Originally the family were known as Murrays of Falahill(in Midlothian). Their particular line though became known as Murray of Philiphaugh. Colonel Adam Murray defender and hero of Londonderry 1685 circa, was named in historical records of Ohio and elsewhere as the father of Jeremiah Murray senior. Samuel Murray- brother of Adam, is also a possible father of Jeremiah senior in my opinion. Samuel was a Captain in the Army and was also recorded in the annals as being at the Seige of Londonderry as brother of Adam. Adam Murray and Samuel Murray were two of the children of Gideon Murray of Philiphaugh and his wife Sarah Mackie, they had another son named John in 1711. Gideon , a Captain in the Horse Guards was expelled from Selkirkshire Scotland over to Derry at Ling in Ireland, on account of his Covenanting activities. Alternative parents of Thomas Morrow b. 1797 may be William Morrow and Barbara Anne Zantzinger. This family were involved in the Rumsey steamboat affair and our DNA result also matches this William. William's brothers were said to have been Colonel John Morrow, Captain Charles Morrow, and perhaps James Morrow. Quite a bit of historical material has been archived regarding this family. Mr Walter Morrow (Walt Morrow) previously cited on this forum has thoroughly researched this family and noted the 'missing Thomas Morrow born 1797 circa' from this lineage. Our DNA Matches 25/25 include descendants of Thomas Morrow and Matilda Blair , cited above, also- Matches 34/36 William Morrow and Barbara Anne Zantzinger- namely Edwin Porch Morrow & family also early Governors (judges? details shortly) Also similar matches George Morrow who is said to have married Mary Calhoun 1755 circa in North or South Carolina , lived Georgia? Maryland and Pennsylvania (TBD). Accordingly the 25 marker test also matches 24/25 . Most importantly though the 37 marker test result has just returned with a 99% positive result of a common ancestor within a certain timeframe. I have been in contact with Morrow family members and stated that it appears that I can trace the Morrow family back to Selkirk in Scotland. According to the DNA result there IS a relationship between our families and MURRAY and MORROW MORRAY MORAY MURRAH are one in the same family. The morph occurred according to the transcribed name being written as heard (thick scots accents). Also citing the following comment: " The great family of Murray whose name is pronounced as Morow in the Scottish Borders" dated 1820 circa. Please also note that George Morrow who married Mary was arguably GEORGE MORRAY married MARY FLEMING 1763 in Pennsylvania. Perhaps he married 3 times, not twice. Please contact me at any time for further information: I have a very extensive gedcom available 4,500 individuals. I have the Murray family tree going back to 10 to 20 generations in Scotland. My parents were both born in Scotland and Father's family from Selkirk. Sandie--Alexandrina Murray 02:10, 19 September 2008 (EDT) Sandie--Alexandrina 04:21, 22 August 2009 (EDT) Note 2 User names : shall try to rectify.
Amelia, My Family Tree DNA test came back as not related to any of the Morrow lines being followed. I have records showing that my line's family name was changed from Murray to Morrow in the 1700s. Is there a way to cross reference my test with the Murray lines? Regards, Doug Morrow--Demorrow 14:24, 25 November 2008 (EST)
Hello Doug,
This time it was the 37 marker test. If you would like more information on the 25, Y 37 market matches to the Morrows (David, Edwin , Howard, John, Beau & Steven) please let me know here. Cheers Sandie--Alexandrina 04:21, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Henry Hansbrough [17 January 2010]Amelia, Thank you for the clean-up you've done on the Henry Hansbrough page. It is appreciated. Mike Flanagan CaptainFlanagan--Captainflanagan 00:02, 18 January 2010 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Danyell Broadley update [15 February 2010]Hi Amelia, An update re: Danyell Broadley as par: of William Bradley. I've reached an impasse finding concrete evidence that Danyell is fa of William. On Ancestry.com (of which I am not a member) there are Bingley parish records for bp & marr of several Broadley/Brodley/Bradley. The sights which claim the fa-son relationship use "my source" type citations or IGI references without citing a parish or civil record. If the websites I found are at all accurate, the following MAY be true re: Danyell Broadley: Daniell Broadley b 26 Jan 1588/89 in Bingley or Shipley, York, Eng m (1) 1 Jul 1607 Elizabeth or Elsabeth Atkinson b 1589 West Riding, York, Eng m (2) bet 1608 & 1612 Johanna Waddington b ca 1591 of Bingley, this wife supposedly mo of William. m Annis Holdroide..No m date m ca 1630 Elizabeth Sheaffe (this fits well with the narrative that William arrived w/step-mo, Elizabeth who m Parmlee. Still another website claims that some of these wives m a William Broadley b 1598 to 1600. I guess someone with Ancestry access needs to check both Bingley and Shipley records for further clues. For the time being, I will change William's mother's name to Johanna Waddington. There are Bingley records for a Johanna Broadley, Daniell Broadley, William Broadley, Annis Broadley, etc. Regards..--Neal Gardner 13:22, 13 February 2010 (EST)
Great work Amelia ! I'll try to take a look at everything posted and get back to you. Another website for comparison is Tami's Genealogy Online: Descendants of William Bradley I, found at: http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/rockbridge/597/hedden/bradley.htm Although she contends that our William Bradley is son of Wm Bradley and Joanna Waddington, she has a list of Daniel's children, into which the Wm Bradley b 1609/10 would easily fit. She gives a Michael Bradley b 14 Nov 1619 as son of Daniel Bradley & Elsabeth Atkinson, precluding (in her opinion) placing Wm Bradley b 1619 in this family. I tend not to find this highly plausible I assume that William Bradley's will exists somewhere; I have not seen a transcript. This will supposedly makes clear (according to one researcher) that Wm is the bro(or half-bro) of Ellin (Bradley) Alling/Allen and son of another William. I would love to clear this up and find the right parents for Wm with as much detail as possible. Thanks again...later--Neal Gardner 14:20, 14 February 2010 (EST)
Without objection I will add the children of Danyell & Elsabeth Atkinson, as well as the out-of-wedlock child, Esther, and what appears to be the 5 children by a second wife, Elizabeth Unknown, with a note saying that her surname may be Sheaffe, but no proof as yet. --Neal Gardner 10:03, 15 February 2010 (EST)
Will do later this evening.... Thanks, Amelia..--Neal Gardner 10:52, 15 February 2010 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Wm Bradley's birthplace change [19 February 2010]Hi Amelia, Neal here. Curious why you changed William's birthplace from Bingley parish to Bradford, since his siblings are all recorded in Bingley. I've included a note on William's and his parents' page that describes the ancient parish of Bingley, stating that Bingley parish did not include Bradford. Also the location of West Morton included in the baptismal record for Danyell's last 5 children (Daniell Broadley de West Morton) is NNW of Bradford. Have you found a baptismal record for William in Bradford records ? --Neal Gardner 12:18, 18 February 2010 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Edmund Lewis and Mary Unknown (1) [26 February 2010]Hi, I was the one who added the note "...There is no documentation to support this claim..." to Edmund Lewis and Mary Carey, so I don't disagree with the conclusion presented on this page after your recent changes. However, I just thought it might be worthwhile pointing out that you essentially changed from a specific answer to unknown without actually knowing whether the specific answer is false. In my opinion this is a problematic approach. Of course, there is the humorous effect that this unanswered question of who Mary is, will cause some researchers to stick in the first answer they find, reverting the page back to Mary Carey. Or that people that have the Mary Carey answer in their personal databases, since there is a source saying it, will now create a duplicate page next they upload a GEDCOM. But the fact remains that it hasn't been shown that his wife wasn't Mary Carey. So if someday, it is proved she is Mary Carey, the page will need to be renamed back. If it is disproved, there is no difference renaming Mary Carey to Mary Doe than Mary Unknown to Mary Doe. Robert Charles Anderson is, in my opinion, the single best source, if you use only one. But he is interested in showing what is proved. In reality there are many degrees of knowing, and the question comes up should WeRelate pages show only what can be proved, or can we tolerate working hypotheses that have not been disproven, and perhaps have no better alternative? --Jrich 10:25, 26 February 2010 (EST)
--Amelia 11:05, 26 February 2010 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Featured Page on Francis Cooke [25 March 2010]Thanks Amelia for the suggestion of Francis Cooke for the featured page. I've taken your suggestion and added him for this week's feature. Best regards, Jim:)--Delijim 11:57, 25 March 2010 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Nathaniel Hawthorne [3 April 2010]Hi Amelia, I noticed that you removed the wikipedia information on Nathaniel Hawthorne. Can you share the reasoning on the removal? Since wikipedia is clearly in the public domain (no copyright issues with the proper attribution), don't you think it adds information that would be beneficial to other researchers? I'm not aware of any WeRelate policy that says the information on wikipedia can't be added to a person's page. Would appreciate knowing the rationale. The sources are clearly available on the wikipedia link (site). Thanks, Jim:)--Delijim 13:19, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
There are policies in place for use of Wikipedia content, and none of them recommend cutting and pasting as you did. Just doing that puts only static content on the page, loses all of the WP links and formatting, creates no internal WR links, lacks the proper attibution license to the authors who wrote the content you are displaying, and looks strange, because the footnotes are unconnected to any sourcing. For an article that long, the preferred approach is to import the introductory content through the {{source-wikipedia}} template (which is already on that page, a further reason to revert) and let users go back the WP page if they want more. There is no purpose in WR entirely repeating the content of long articles like the one on NH, although I have on occasion used the {{wp-article name-section name}} approach for particularly useful information on a person's parents/background (see, e.g., Anne Hutchinson). --Amelia 16:00, 2 April 2010 (EDT) Understand, I've seen the "discussion" regarding the use of wikipedia on WeRelate, but since it is "share-alike", and I did add the attribution, I'd appreciate it in the future if you didn't just simply delete the contribution without any communication. I've added wikipedia information to many people on WeRelate and have never had the content deleted. Thank you.--Delijim 16:39, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] [3 April 2010]I received your message regarding Nathaniel Hawthorne's page. In your previous messages, you said absolutely nothing about a template being populated this weekend on his page (first I've heard of this). You gave an example (Anne Marbury/Hutchinson above) and I tried to emulate that example on Hawthorne's page as best I could. I believe you are "assuming" that everyone is as knowledgeable regarding the WP templates as you, but that is not the case. Unfortunately, I have seen no simple instructions on how to build the wp templates, so as long as some of the WP information is populated on Hawthorne's page that will be good enough for me. Since you seem to have claimed "ownership" over Hawthorne's page, I will let you have at it and delete whatever contribution I've added. Regards.
When I was reading the WeRelate "policy" page that you linked (which I had read earlier), I was perhaps more interested in the "spririted debate" that was listed below between those that thought wikipedia was 1) the greatest thing since sliced bread, and 2) that wikipedia was something brought by the devil. I happen to think that wikipedia does have some merit in adding the biographical content on WeRelate if for anything to add the story of a famous person's life. It makes a much better read than a blank page, which unfortunately most person pages on WeRelate currently are.
[add comment] [edit] John Sevier Page [31 May 2010]I noticed you were at the top of the list of those watching the John Sevier page. Did you create it? Would you like to have other tidbits? I've checked watch page. If you answer here, I'll get an e-mail.--Schmelzer 19:02, 30 May 2010 (EDT)
I have access to data involving John Sevier that I only wrote sketchy notes about. Such as selling land in 1806 Overton County, Tennessee to Benjamin Hinshaw including improvements made by David SMELSER. I think he was also listed in the Knoxville newspaper advertising loosing a horse and a reward.--Schmelzer 20:20, 30 May 2010 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Joseph Ball and Mary Montague [10 July 2010]Just wanted to say thanks for changing this family Joseph Ball and Mary Montague, agree 1000% with your comments, hopefully the "Montague" fallacy will die out eventually. Best regards, Jim:)--Delijim 21:00, 31 May 2010 (EDT) If only! That and the Mary "Bennett" theory. Nobody knows the family name of the Widow Johnson.--Craig Kilby, Mary Ball Washington Museum & Library, Lancaster, VA.--Persisto 15:46, 10 July 2010 (EDT) I can't find any comments by Amanda on this topic. Where are they?--Persisto 17:03, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
This is why I just give up on this project. One person wrote to me (hadn't seen that until today) that he was dismayed because I had deleted the MONTAGUE name as maiden name of wife of Col. Joseph Ball. He had added a website from the House of Montague as proof that she was a Montague, when in fact the web site DISPROVES it, as has long been known. Then somebody had morphed James-3 Ball (William-2, William-1) into Col. Joseph-2 Ball (William-1) and had it all COMPLETELY screwed up. Again, citing this famous Ryland book which is so full of holes, I don't know why anybody takes it seriously. I have TRIED to change this but end up getting nowhere but dead ends with "Link this" and "link that" and after I do that, I still can't get it posted. This is site is really getting on my nerves. If I want bad genealogy, I can go to ancestry.com or familysearch.org and have an orgy.--Persisto 17:46, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Citations for John Sackett [14 June 2010]Thanks Amelia.... For arranging the citations for the information I gathered re: John Sackett's will, death & probate dates. I ran out of time here at the library to cite properly before they closed the doors; just enough time to restore the info and wait till today to get back to the library. Regards...--Neal Gardner 11:09, 14 June 2010 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Epping Forest? NOT! [1 January 2011]I don't why I keep beating my head against a wall on the topic of Joseph Ball. It just keeps being changed/removed by people who are not that knowledgable on the subject. Joseph Ball did not die at "Epping Forest." There was no place by that name until 1843. It was simply known as the "The Forest" or "The Forest Quarter." It is clear by the deeds of gift to his children shortly before his marriage to the Widow Johnson that this is where he then lived. He repeated this same language in his will (where I now dwell), but the personal property he bequeathed to his wife was all inventoried at his plantation in Morattico, including his horses Bush and Dragon. I wrote a short essay on this topic for the Henry Ford Museum if anyone is interested in it. For now, please DELETE the death place as "Epping Forest." That is almost as bad as the Montague junk.--Persisto 15:41, 10 July 2010 (EDT) P.S. to the note. I am a volunteer at the Mary Ball Washington Museum & Library in Lancaster County, Virginia. We have more material and better sources (which keep being wiped out) than this book you keep citing. If there is one thing we know, it is the Ball Family.--Persisto 15:44, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
And how was I supposed to that somebody used Roberts as "the source" and wiped out all of my previous information and sources? I explained why I changed the "death date" and then you changed wiped that out too. I am getting very frustrated with this site. I keep editing this family and it keeps being re-edited and messed up. I am giving up.--Persisto 15:57, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
Maybe I just don't quite get this site. I was shown what I had written about the DEATH date, and you deleted than and made a comment that the birth dates were in conflict. I did notice you changed the death date information to be correct and added the probate date. Is it it possible to put a "Between" for dates of anything? I find the site extremely difficult to use. For example, I wrote a comment on deleting Epping Forest but there was not way to "save it" or explain it. Surely there must be, because I did so yesterday on the death date. Anyway, it just way too much brain damage for me. And suppose we got it all fixed up just right, and then the next person comes along and changes it all back again? What's the point in it?--Persisto 16:21, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
I tried to correct the parents of the Ball family in question, which had been changed from the correct parents (James-3 Ball and Mary Conway) to the totally incorrect parents (Joseph-2 Ball and Mary ---- (NOT MONTAGUE) Johnson Ball Hewes). I retyped the proper names for both parents. This I was not allowed to do when I hit "submit." I was told to find them in the existing database, which I did. Still wouldn't let me do it. I also tried to add Margaret Lester Hill's book as a source, which is in the "existing" list twice, but not listed as a resource on any of the Ball data that I originally submitted and added this in detail as a source (wiped out by somebody). No could do either. I just gave up on it. This site is so frigging hard to use and even you do succeed, someone else just comes along after you and wipes it all out. I would love to know who this Ryland clown is and why his book is considered superior to anything else on the Ball family published much more recently and more studiously and much better documented. I guess I really just don't get it.--Persisto 19:19, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
(If you're talking about Roberts, he's been researching presidential ancestors for NEHGS for 30 years and generally surveys the most reliable and recently published sources.) You are right. It is the Roberts person. I know that all the powers that be at WR think he is infallible, but my experience with him re the Ball Family tells me he is all wet. He doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. He not only regurgitates a lot of bad genealogy, but creates a whole new mess of it. And when all of my well sourced material is erased and this stuff gets replaced because he said so, based on NOTHING, is what tells me to get off this supposedly professional site. I'll stick to the facts, not the fiction. Bye bye.--Persisto 22:17, 10 July 2010 (EDT) You wrote: . How is anyone supposed to know that Roberts is wrong if you don't enter and cite the correct information? This is the problem. Roberts has no source, and there is no source to prove he had no source. It simply did not happen. How do you prove a negative? I guess I could try the Common Knowledge option. This is what drives me nuts here. Who is this Roberts dude to write this stuff, about which he knows nothing, and why is he "THE AUTHORITY" here? I'd really like to know. What ever Ivory Tower he is sitting in, he needs to come down from the clouds and do some real research and get his facts straight. I'd be happy to teach him.--Persisto 23:15, 10 July 2010 (EDT) This is a site for collaboration. Your objections to the changes should be on the talk page for the person. If you have evidence that certain allegations are not true; then you should add that to the person page. Attacking members or the site serve no useful function. --Beth 02:42, 11 July 2010 (EDT) Thanks Beth. Persisto, Roberts has been around forever and his books have pages of authorities. They don't, by their nature, cite fact by fact, nor is he perfect when he's tracing hundreds of people. No source is perfect, and he's not "the authority" just because he's been added as a source to a page. I submit, however, that his work is better researched than most genealogy out there, let alone what's cited on this site. But if you have issues with what he says because he has no basis for it, say that on the page. Or (better) explain why it's inconsistent with known facts from some other source. (And he takes submissions from the public, so if you would like to "teach" him, you ought to go ahead.) And for the record, there are no "powers that be" at WeRelate deciding a source is good or bad. One user (me) entered Roberts because there were no other sources on many of these pages. The entire point of having a wiki is to have the best information rise to the top. There are no "professional" criteria or goals here other than hope for the wisdom of the crowd. Attacking me and everything on the site because I entered information found in a published source about which you've offered no concrete criticism (of the information or the source) serves nothing. Please stop.--Amelia 12:26, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
A word about Roberts. He is more of a compiler than a researcher. He works at the NEHGS library, has compiled the Revisions to Weis' "Ancestral Roots",D"Royal descents of 600 American Colonists", The ancestries of American Presidents with large contributions from the late William Addams Reitsweisner of the Library of Congress. He is also the author of "Notable Kin", genealogies of famous Americans. Persisto may be an expert on the Ball family, but to dismiss Gary Boyd Roberts in general displays an ignorance in American genealogy overall.--Scot 21:07, 31 December 2010 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Mervyn work [16 August 2010]nice cleanup on the Mervyn pages, Amelia. Thanks. Jillaine 07:31, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Abraham Clark, signer of Declaration [23 September 2010]This is Neal. I noticed the special "Signers of the Declaration of Independence" banner when visiting Oliver Wolcott's page (one of my 'distant cousins') I also have another signer in my family, Abraham Clark (5), son of Thomas & Hannah [Winans] Clark of NJ. Can you advise me how to get the banner with the links placed on his page ?--Neal Gardner 12:22, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
Thanks Amelia !--Neal Gardner 15:34, 23 September 2010 (EDT) Amelia, I think I messed up linking Abraham Clark. Changed template, but made mistakes linking. Ugh..--Neal Gardner 16:05, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Question re Source format: [11 November 2010]Hi Amelia - I'm looking at Source:Atlantic County Historical Society. Yearbook, with Historical and Genealogical Journal (Atlantic County Historical Society); its Page Name seems to be formatted both as a book [Author. Title] and as a journal [Title. (Publisher)]. I can't decide which is preferable; It is an annual publication and is categorized at WorldCat as a journal/magazine. Should the page name be changed to clarify one way or the other? --Brenda (kennebec1) 17:32, 11 November 2010 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Jenkins/Sebring [25 November 2010]Hello Amelia, I see that you were trying to add some info to Lorenzo Jenkins and Mary Sebring, they are my Great x3 Grandparents. I can't really tell what you were trying to add, is there some info you have that I don't have listed? Are you related to them, by chance? If so, do you have any idea when Mary died and where she is buried? Look forward to hearing from you, my e-mail address is: kmrob@insightbb.com. Thanks! Rob Schultz--Kmrob 08:04, 25 November 2010 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Robert Andrews' page [6 December 2010]Hi Amelia, I don't know what you did on Robert Andrews' page, but the text in the "History" section runs forever to the right. I don't know how to fix it. Tried. --Neal Gardner 17:43, 6 December 2010 (EST)
Thanks Amelia, Somehow I fixed it, but I have no idea how....maybe by lining everything up to the left-hand margin ?--Neal Gardner 18:00, 6 December 2010 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Place names [22 November 2012]You and I are working at cross purposes. You just changed Jonathan Brewster's page and the standard place Preston, New London, Connecticut, United States was given the alias Preston, New London, Connecticut, and similarly for Norwich. I nearly edited the page to undo this but decided not to, out of respect. However, removing information-less aliases from places is something which I try to remember to do every time I change a page. If the alias is no different than the standard name, I think it is better to use to use the standard name to result in a more uniform appearance of the pages. Aliases should only be used if there is some significant difference, as possibly with a historical name such as Monomoy for Chatham. I also think it is disrespectful of global users to assume it is sufficient to stop at the state level without displaying the country, like everybody should be familiar with US states. It is not like you are changing the qualitative nature of the information being presented? I agree it is the display length is increased by adding the country, but I find that most place aliases are rarely visible on the edit screen, which is an even bigger problem in my opinion. Many times I have edited the visible part of the place, without realizing there was an alias on the end that never got fixed. If length is the issue, I would question why USA can't be used for the country name, possibly even postal abbreviations for the states? USA is probably more accurate than United States (of what?). I realize this is mostly opinion and preference, but I would like to hear your justification to see if I have overlooked some important consideration. I don't think it is all that useful to be working at cross purposes. --Jrich 22:26, 19 January 2011 (EST)
It seems that WeRelate's system is what's causing all of this to-do and the mention of another new rule is too much; I just had to but in: my oldie but very good PAF program lets me handle this place naming like this: he died in Mason (now Jackson)County, Virginia (now West Virginia). It's simple and tells both the original location and what the place is currently called. It's a shame WeRelate can't come up with a way for places to be so easily done and easily remembered! This gal isn't going to remember all the different rules for every different situation. Remember the goal is or was 'drop-dead easy! --Janiejac 01:33, 22 January 2011 (EST)
Entirely unconvinced by "some people won't understand", with Jrich on burials being additionally complicated, with Janiejac on wishing there were an easier way (although aliases of that form are possible, automatic would be greatly preferable), and really tired of thinking about it. This issue needs a broader airing than our personal preferences.--Amelia 02:16, 22 January 2011 (EST) Any rule other than the place as it existed in 1900 will be impossible to implement. A couple of years ago when I worked on Portugal place names, Dallan and I had several discussions on this issue. Most genealogy research is focused on pre 1900 events as people born after that are usually known to, and closely related to living persons and are not of genealogical interest to a large number of people. In Portugal, the place heirarchy was changed by tha Salazar regime in the 30's, again after the 1975 revolution and now will change again because it does not conform to EEC standards. Yet, if you ask a Portuguese person where they come from, they will invariably respond with, The Algarve, Alentejo, The Minho or whatever was the name of the traditional province prior to Salazar, usually what it was known as in 1900. In the US, formation of counties, cities and towns has been a more or less continuous process and to know and understand exactly where and what a particular place was known as at the time of an event, is often impossible to determine, especially with property defined by metes and bounds. None of us, I suspect, has the place names of every location in his or her data entered correctly for either the 1900 criterion or contemporary at the time of the event. I have a man who was born, married and died in the same place in Virginia. But when he was born it was BrunswickCo., Lunenburg Co. when he married and Halifax Co. when he died. I am sure all of us have a fairly high pecentage of such cases, many of which can never be resolved with certainty. As a result, our database will never be perfect, but conforming to the full place name as it existed in 1900 should be the standard. If it is certain that the contemporary place name was something else, that can be mentioned in the narrative or in a note.--Scot 13:06, 22 January 2011 (EST) Dear god, people. Is how we do an alias on a page REALLY worth spending this much time and aether on? This just does NOT seem a battle worth spending time on. Don't we have better things to do with our time? Jillaine 12:36, 25 January 2011 (EST)
Okay: my opinion is that both of you could be better spending your time on something for more useful than editing place name fields, much less bickering about how you each are doing so. As long as the link takes people to the correct place page, how important is it really what that link looks like? I'd rather see better editing of the Place pages to describe the issues you've raised here. I.e., from 1620-1700, this place was named xxxx; from 1700-1776, it was named yyyyy; etc. etc... You both make really remarkable contributions here; just seems a pitiful waste of energy and time to see this kind of exchange happening. What this feels like is proofreading of a manuscript several drafts before it's even close to being ready to go to press. There's so much more important work to be done on the content before we get around to making sure the punctuation is inside or outside of the quotation marks. If you get my drift. Jillaine 17:37, 25 January 2011 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] English Ancestry and Homes of the Pilgrim Fathers [12 February 2011]Hi Amelia - I'm looking at this title as part of my Maine review, and I wonder if the subject should be migration? These types of books (with brief blurbs on a long list of people) are very hard to categorize. Anyway, I'm writing up a paragraph on reviewing Biography subject sources, and I thought it would be useful to get your thoughts on this source.--Brenda (kennebec1) 08:22, 12 February 2011 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Civil War category [10 April 2011]Hi Amelia! Since we don't seem to be getting any more feedback on the war category topic on the Watercooler, do you want to go ahead and start marking the Civil War veterans using the structure we talked about? Civil War -> Civil War veterans -> state Civil War veterans-> regiment (with ordinal number and type of regiment spelled out in full and using a sort key so the vets will sort by surname instead of all under P for Person, listed by first name) With the sesquicentennial starting this week, I think this could be a good PR opportunity for WR. (I'd love to do something similar with War of 1812, but can't come up with a good way to structure the sub-categories.) Thoughts? -- Amy (Ajcrow) 09:38, 9 April 2011 (EDT)
Amelia - I made one slight change to the structure. Rather than "Civil War veterans," I titled that sub-category "American Civil War veterans." That should allow us to grow Category:Veterans to include veterans of foreign conflicts as well. Hope you don't mind. On a related note, I created these categories: Category:Veterans, Category:American Civil War veterans, Category:Ohio Civil War veterans, and 3 categories for Ohio regiments. BTW, we'll have to add the number as a sort key on the link from the regiment to the state veterans page. (Otherwise, it sorts oddly; for example, 173rd sorted ahead of 1st without the key.) -- Amy 12:56, 9 April 2011 (EDT)
So what do wed about Union v. Confederate? I've got a TN ancestor in the 8th Tennessee Cavalry. Not the Union one, the Confederal one. Looking at the latter article, it looks like the Confederate units were not nearly so predictably named, but were largely duplicative. I don't know how many states this is a problem in, though, it may just be Tennessee?--Amelia 01:40, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
and CSA Navy veterans, then the link on the Person page would be the name of the ship. We could do something similar for members of US Army regiments (US Army veterans -> 27th United States Colored Troops)-- Amy 08:51, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Sorting regiments and the Military category [12 April 2011]Hi, Amelia. I discovered that the leading zeros to sort the regiments was putting those categories under "0", which would probably confuse some people. (I don't know why it's displaying the first character of the sort key like that.) I amended the instructions to put 2 leading spaces before regiments less than 10 and one leading space for regiments 10-99. I hope that's alright with you. Also, I've heard from Jennifer. There's a lot of duplication/overlap within the Military category. User:BobC placed Category:Veterans under Military (which seems to make sense), but the Military category seems to have an emphasis on sources. I think we'll probably need to start discussing some of this on one of the Talk pages. -- Amy (Ajcrow) 09:01, 12 April 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Two wives, both known, but who's the mother of which children? [12 April 2011]Last night you and I were both working on Adam Hawkes (1) [ref. The Great Migration, III:253ff.], apparently simultaneously. One issue yet to be addressed is his second wife, Sarah Hooper, daughter of William Hooper of Reading (Hooper Genealogy, 1ff). William, who is apparently not yet in the database, was twice married; each wife identified by baptismal name only (Elizabeth before 1647 when first child was born, then Ruth); and the only clue as to which children were with which wife is that the fourth and fifth children (per Hooper Genealogy although the birth of the second was not recorded at Reading) were both named Ruth which is probably as good an indicator as any. Since we do not have surnames for either wife, the genealogical impact is less that it would be if we knew their ancestry. Has a standard been developed for how to handle, on the family page, one husband, multiple wives and multiple children where the mother-child connection is unknown? Fixing Sarah Hooper (who married, second, Samuel Wardwell) and connecting her to Adam Hawkes is just a matter of finding the time to do it and does not seem to present any issues.--Jaques1724 10:34, 12 April 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Adam Hawkes / Sarah Hooper / Sarah Hawkes [12 April 2011]Happened again. We're both in the same pages at the same time making changes. Please bear with me while I get up to speed. By the way, I haven't done any html work in about ten years. Is there a summary of the tags somewhere in the Help section? Thanks!--Jaques1724 20:12, 12 April 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] VR template [20 April 2011]Amelia, the template for Mass VR to 1850 is beautiful... brilliant. Thank you!--Brenda (kennebec1) 10:45, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Civil War [20 April 2011]Hi, Amelia. First, thanks for deleting the old WP text from Robert E. Lee's page. I meant to do that as I was adding his burial place, but got distracted and never got back to it. If it's alright with you, I'm going to propose that the Civil War veteran categories do not include the word regiment; to only add the "level" of unit if it is something other than a regiment (like a battalion). I'm also going to propose that we designate the war after the name of the regiment as "(Civil War)". (So it would be 1st Indiana Infantry (Civil War)). Sound good to you? Also, after we get this all finalized, I'll make up an article for it and copy the category talk over to the article. I think if we have an article, it might encourage more public participation, rather than it seeming like it's just an admin "thing." -- Amy (Ajcrow) 16:47, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] LDS Data [21 April 2011]See Martha Brackett (1) and Peter Brackett (3). I started to edit Peter based on Gale Ion Harris' 2001 NEHGR piece on Peter Brackett of Boston and Braintree. It appears that some LDS info (dates less than 110 years ago) had been imported into three data fields. I did not edit Martha, so you can see what it looked like before. In order to save the Peter Brackett Page I had to move the LDS stuff down into the Personal History text field to preserve it pending admin guidance on how to handle this sort of thing in the future. By the way, I have to leave Peter Brackett (2) and family in somewhat of a mess, one to many marriages and children assigned to the wrong mothers. I hope to work on that this evening.--Jaques1724 11:42, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
Thanks, I'll break out the pruning shears when I get home tonight!
One thing that might help alleviate concerns about our dropping LDS events is we could add a "FamilySearch Id" event type, where people could enter the 7-character ID of the person at FamilySearch, and we would display it with a link to FamilySearch. I'm reluctant to add this before FamilySearch becomes publicly available (probably around the end of this year), but I could be talked into it. Also, if we added FamilySearch Id, we might also want to add links to other websites that are trying to create one page per person: "Familypedia title", "Geni Id", etc.--Dallan 21:51, 21 April 2011 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Mass VR categories [23 April 2011]I'm rethinking the categories for the Mass VR just a bit. I know we spoke somewhere - can't find it now - about using Category:Vital records of Massachusetts, United States. We may want to go to the county level instead. This would follow the scheme being developed for source records, and would avoid us having to re-categorize these pages later on. What are your thoughts? --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:13, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
Connecticut is like Massachusetts where the records were kept at the town level. They got published a little differently in that Barbour collected the data for towns that hadn't been separately published (Coventry, Mansfield, Woodstock, Norwich are among those that had been) and assembled them on a statewide basis. The county distinction is pretty much worthless in Connecticut. By the way, probate was and is by probate district which, simply stated, is more than one town, less than a county, and changes often. -- Jaques1724 13:06, 23 April 2011 (EDT) My concern is that we're developing a category system for sources whereby sources at the town level would be categorized within the county level. Brenda has some great examples for Maine under Category:Sources of Maine, United States. My preference leans towards consistency, and I'd hesitate to proceed one way for Maine and another for MA and CT. Essentially, we'd be following the place name hierarchy already on the source pages. --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:32, 23 April 2011 (EDT) Another reason for doing the county thing would be, I think, that categories could be automatically generated for sources once the place field is specified? Because as a category agnostic, the complexity of some of these category discussions is a little daunting, and is the general user adding a new source (admittedly a diminishing activity) going to understand otherwise. --Jrich 15:41, 23 April 2011 (EDT) If you want to base your answer on the format that's universal for the United States, go ahead. Other virtues are more important to me than that kind of consistency, and I freely admit I would like Massachusetts to be an exception - it's why I avoid category structure discussions! I will say that the auto-generate problem doesn't matter so much for Mass, since we have to touch all of the town VR's already for the template - there won't be hardly any to get auto-generated.--Amelia 16:08, 23 April 2011 (EDT) I believe that is what Dallan has in mind, to assign categories based upon the Place and Subject fields. As Brenda has brought up elsewhere, additional categories may be necessary for a given source that can't be automated in that fashion, but those can be added manually. I think the auto-generated issue does go beyond the VR's we're editing though. There are other vital records that aren't in the template that would fall into these categories. --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:49, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Categories [25 April 2011]Hi, Amelia. I seem to be on a category kick lately. I saw the category you created for U.S. House of Representatives Members from Arizona, and copied it for Ohio. It makes sense to break it out that way. I'll try to go through and update the pages that link to the U.S. House category. Also, I left a message on the Talk page for U.S. Civil War Figures. With all of our other Civil War categories saying "American Civil War," that one seemed out of place. I've updated all of the links; let me know if you have any objection to deleting the category. Thanks! -- Amy (Ajcrow) 17:07, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Morrow DNA Project [7 May 2011]Hello, My name is Richard Morrow. I'm interested about the Morrow DNA Project. My dad use to tell me that GOV Jeremiah Morrow was his great grandfather. GOV Morrow resided in a small town in Ohio called Lebonon. Still a small town today so it most have been much smaller in the 1800's. Since there are not many Morrows and my dad's father was born (1898) in the same small town of Lebanon, it stands to reason that the local Morrows there were related. Therefore, I believe that I am a descendant of GOV. Morrow. Would a DNA test prove that? Richard--Rdmorrow 13:34, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
Hello Amelia, I had problems clicking on "more" as you instructed so I will edit instead. First, thanks for your timely attention. My cousin Chester Morrow provided me with the following information. My grandfather was Chester Morrow, born in Lebanon, Ohio on July 29, 1896. His parents were Wm. T. Morrow born in Lebanon, Ohio on July 19, 1872, mother was Clara T. Jordan. We know that Gov. Jeremiah Morrow raised his family in Lebanon, Ohio since 1799. Since Lebanon is a small community and probably was much smaller in the 1800's and because Morrows are few, local Morrows were probably related. Jeremiah was of Scott Irish descent and I was taught that I am of Scott Irish descent. Who are the other two Morrows claiming relationship to Gov. Morrow? I would like to contact them. Thanks for your assistance. Richard--Rdmorrow 22:20, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] County census [5 May 2011]County Census preferred? This is new to me. I suppose I have no real objection, but if we take this out to its logical conclusion, I can imagine sources going down to a frame on a version of a microfilm reel (is it NARA or Family search?)I would guess that I would have little problem finding any record in the Fesderal census from just the locality, the film number, and the reel number.--AZeller 15:21, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Sources on Pictures [1 June 2011]I notice that you have changed a lot of pictures sources today. I am glad for it. I never know what to put. I have put a dozen or more pictures on different profiles in the last few days, a lot of them I did not get off Wikipedia. Will it be easier if I send you a list by profile name for you to look them over and make any changes? Do you have another way to find these things? Thanks for all the assistance. Suzyq--Suzyq 22:39, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] WeRelate help pages [14 June 2011]Hi Amelia, Thanks for the input. Just getting started and haven't formalized any plan yet. Thinking about posting the link to the help article on the Watercooler and adding to the new user welcome message for input. I think we need to rewrite the welcome message to WeRelate. The message does not enlighten prospective users regarding WeRelate. We are the only site that optimizes collaboration on place pages, source pages, and person pages.--Beth 21:17, 14 June 2011 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] French Huguenot Immigrants [15 June 2011]Would there be value in adding a category for these folks. I have one family in my ancestry, Marriner of northern New England. I'm working on another, James Pinneo of Bristol RI and Lebanon Crank (now Columbia) CT. Some more notable families would include Bowdoin (Baudouin) of Boston - the college in Maine is named for that family; and the family of Paul Revere. There were Huguenots early in Charleston, SC and quite a few filtered into the mid-Hudson valley around New Paltz and Greene County. I haven't been thinking about this long enough to be able to suggest parameters (primarily the cutoff date for qualification), but their impact on our early history was probably proportionally greater than their numbers. Thoughts?--jaques1724 23:06, 14 June 2011 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Help pages [18 June 2011]Thanks Amelia for helping me with the help pages update.--Beth 21:27, 18 June 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Death location for Deborah Sampson [17 July 2011]Hi -- the reason I did not add a location of death is that it wasn't documented in the wikipedia article; I tend not to assume that a person has died and is buried in the same place. For instance, it could have been that Sampson had succumbed while on a trek away from the town. --ceyockey 16:00, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
I'm not sure what that other comment is about, but it deleted my response, which was that I don't understand the original criticism because the death place is on the WP article, and that's a perfectly valid source to cite (even if you want to question its reliability). But in this particular instance, the death is sourced on WP, to an article in the NYT, which says she died at her home in Sharon. The WR article now reflects that source.--Amelia 16:04, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] "inline citation" [19 July 2011]Is there a policy against the Inline Citation link? Source:Arnold, 1891 is still a valid redirect to the full citation. I didn't create it, maybe wouldn't be my first choice, but since the redirect is there, it seems a good practice to document it. I found this same idea useful enough to create a few others, such as Source:TAG and Source:NEHGR which have value to prevent those names from being used for something else, in addition to convenience. A little surprised that you deleted this without any attempt at a discussion? --Jrich 14:00, 19 July 2011 ( I didn't delete the page, just the link on the Source page. That redirect is still valid for someone to use (it's only been used once, on a talk page). There's not a policy so much as there are multiple better ways to cite, particularly inline, and the learning curve for sources and their names is steep enough without "officially" suggesting (on this frequently cited page) that such methods are worth worrying about.--Amelia 14:51, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] citation only [20 July 2011]Hi, Amelia, I'm still working to discern the use of citation only, and have a question re: a specific resource. "Stevens, Larry. Ohio in the Civil War" has been changed from a source to a citation only. I initially chose Source because the information is general, not specific to my family. Is it Citation Only because it doesn't meet the We Relate definition of "publication, database or vital records collection?" Really appreciate your help in getting the format correct. Tamara Your initial explanation: (bold added) If a Source page does not exist, you create one only for publications, databases, or vital records collections that of use genealogy researchers of many families, not just yours. So County History of X, yes. Joe's Family History website or Aunt Sally's death certificate, no. The latter can be a MySource if 1) you have something to say about the source itself to put on the MySource page; or 2) you're going to use it a lot and want the convenience of the link.--Gold lotus 99 12:36, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
Oh, Amelia, somehow I missed the We Relate goal of limiting sources in number, and not including general historical sources. Makes perfect sense, and I've got it now. Have added many inappropriate sources as a result of my misunderstanding, beyond those we've already talked about. Will go back and revise. On a related issue, I've been adding general historical sources on resource lists in articles. One example [4]. Does this create a problem? Thanks for your help in getting this right, Tamara--Gold lotus 99 15:28, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Source page format [24 July 2011]Hi, Amelia, Just created a new source, [5], and would appreciate your help to get it right. Want to verify this is an appropriate source, because although it is a history, it does provide information on the people and families who were founders and leaders. (This is my home town, but the book doesn't include any of my ancestors. It's just a great resource for others.) Is the information in the text box appropriately placed, or should that go on the talk page? I've completed what I know from referring to my personal copy of the book. What else do I need to do to complete the source page? Thanks again for your help in learning the protocols and their nuances. Tamara--Gold lotus 99 12:38, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
Thanks Amelia for the good words and suggestion. Using World Cat, I found and added (as repository) one of the 8 libraries that hold it. Is it best to add all the libraries as repositories? Or do people know that clicking on the World Cat button on the source page gives them a list of all the libraries? Best, Tamara--Gold lotus 99 11:26, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Richard Jacob [24 July 2011]Thanks for finishing the job. I was really working on the Chase family, but thought I'd get the basics of Richard(1) Jacob's family in while I was at it. Neither is one of my families, but Richard's wife Martha was an Appleton, and they are.--jaques1724 20:16, 23 July 2011 (EDT) No problem. Not mine either, I just try to get the GM immigrants fleshed out and tied together when I can. --Amelia 09:04, 24 July 2011 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Category:1620s Immigrants [3 August 2011]Hi Amelia, Thanks for your help. I may not ever venture into New England pages again because I keep sidetracking and y'all will probably be happier <g>. I just picked a family for a diversion project from an article in the NEGHS. After 4 days of online research because of my diversion <g> I discovered that the Skelton family should definitely be a member of your project. However, I have found that the category for 1620s immigrants is not used uniformly so maybe you could further define the usage on the portal to help me and others. You removed the link from the family page of Skelton and you said that it was only to be used when the ship was unknown. I found this category on one of the Mayflower pages and removed it since the ship was definitely known. Should I also remove the template from Samuel Skelton's family page and add it to the appropriate person pages? All of his children did not immigrate to Massachusetts. Great project and I did read most of the pages. Sorry that I messed it up but thanks for fixing. Now I need to find a way to delete 2 fictitious people and remove the mother of 3 children. Next time I want get diverted. <g>--Beth 20:12, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
I totally understand what you mean about getting diverted into fixing families that you have no reason to :-) I don't know if our posts crossed, but did you see the link I left on your talk page? (I'm not sure whether your questions are as a result of it or before reading it...) Basically, people/families go in the 1620s immigrants category if the ship is unknown. If it's known, they go in the ship category, and that category is a sub-category of 1620s (or 1630s) immigrants. I put the ships templates on the head of household and on the family page if it's reasonably clear the couple came together, even if not all the kids did. Everyone else gets the category, but I don't usually put the template everywhere because often we're guessing at which family members came. I don't actively oppose putting them on kids' pages though. Feel free to ask if anything else comes up!--Amelia 21:53, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Postmasters general [8 August 2011]Hi, Amelia. I just noticed that you have Samuel Osgood listed as a member of Washington's cabinet. I don't know how particular you want to be with the "Cabinet" categories, but the Postmaster General wasn't part of the cabinet until 1829 (under Pres. Jackson). -- Amy (Ajcrow) 08:33, 8 August 2011 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Robert Hull [21 August 2011]TGM III:460-462 has him coming in 1635 on the George, Mr. Nicholas Shapley, master. I'm adding him now and was looking for a category for that ship's passengers which I can't seem to find. Am I missing something or isn't there one yet?--jaques1724 16:49, 21 August 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Find a Grave Citations [7 September 2011]The Source:Find A Grave page gives two options for documenting URLs. I used the first of the two examples, which is now apparently not acceptable. If what I was doing was not right, please make sure the Source page gets fixed. I'm assuming your edit on Hope Holley is the preferred method, so I'll default to that approach unless I hear differently.--jaques1724 07:30, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Positive assertions about negative information... [26 September 2011]Saw one of your recent edits to content for a Medieval personage, that the family had some specific number of children. It reminded me about something that we might be able to do. In particular, genealogy often notes that a particular marriage either had issue or not. I've often wondered if we should add that as a family fact item - so that we might later be able to run bots and other automatic procedures that would detect that information that is inconsistent. A family, for example, that is noted as barren - should never show a child. Maybe there's a way to indicate the specific number of children also - then we could check whether that was consistent or not? People who were known to never marry could also be flagged with that as a fact. Anyway, while consistency checking is probably a long term thing to look for, preparing the data for being able to do that may be worth considering. Thoughts? --jrm03063 11:45, 26 September 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Page edit [10 October 2011]Sorry I edited your page. I became confused by the wording and thought you listed 2 wives as first wives. I didn't see the period after "wife" in this paragraph and misread it. "His first son Thomas was probably by his first wife. Sarah, Elizabeth, Hannah, Margaret, and John are ambiguous, but as they were not married until the 1730s, they were likely born after 1706, when Hannah seemingly passed away. David, born 1719, and the other children are likely children of his second wife Mary." The way I read it, it seemed you gave two first wives, Hannah and Sarah. Now that I see the period, it makes sense.--Tammyhensel 20:38, 10 October 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] user needs monitoring [13 October 2011]Amelia, User Mercyleo86 has posted some material that I deleted. --Susan Irish 01:42, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] George Bryant [26 October 2011]Amelia, I saw your addition on George Bryant. I'm assuming that George and Andrew were brothers because of their age, proximity to each other and names. I spent a fair amount of time looking for source information on their parents- to no avail. But recently, someone has added Amos Bryant and Matilda Leonard on ancestry.com. My Father saw this and recollected his grandmother speaking of Amos and Matilda. Please let me know if you come up with additional information. Regards//Thom Bryant--Thomb 13:26, 26 October 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Copyrights [30 October 2011]I just added the pension info on Lemuel Lee. I obtained it from the Johnston County USGen website. It definitely states copyright info. Can we use this on WeRelate or do we have to obtain their permission from somewhere? Thanks. Carol--Suzyq 14:54, 26 October 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Use of Abt Birth Year and Christening Dates [19 November 2011]This is day two at WeRelate and I confess there is much to learn. And one is, I generally added an About Birth Year even when the christening date is known. I do this because birth years may be different than christening dates, it provides sequencing of children, and usually will display in searches for people rather than the christening date. Am I missing some functionality that makes the about or estimated birth year unnecessary?--Kpb2011 18:03, 19 November 2011 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Gov. Jerimiah Morrow [9 December 2011]Hello Amelia In reference to our communication on April 11, 2011 about me being a descendant of Gov. Jerimiah Morrow. Gov. Morrow resided and raised his family in Lebanon, Ohio. My grandfather Chester Morrow was born in the same small town of Lebanon, Ohio. Chester's father was Wm. T. Morrow, however, you suggested that there might not be a link to the govenor because Wm. T. Morrow was born in Preble County and later moved to Lebanon where he and his wife had borned my grandfather Chester. Now, possibly a missing link here. For example, Gov. Jerimiah Morrow had a son by the name of Jerimiah Jr., who moved from Lebanon to Preble County, which is a nieghboring county just down the road from Lebanon, where he was a minister at the Fairheaven Church. He happens to be buried behind the church. Anyways, my question, do you have any records showing the names of Jerimiah Jr.'s children; possibly one being a Wm. T. Morrow? Or any record that identifies the name of Wm. T. Morrow's father? Maybe his father was Jerimiah Jr. or a son of Jerimiah Jr. I imagine Lebanon would be a likely place for Wm. T. Morrow to move to from Preble County since he probably traveled back and forth over the years as a child to visit family. I imagine that Lebanon was a familiar place to him. Also, I had a DNA test done that I am willing to share with other Morrow men to see if we are related, especially those with an oral history as myself as being related to Gov. Morrow. Looking forward to any information you might have. Richard--Rdmorrow 01:03, 25 November 2011 (EST) Hi Richard, I am the Admin of the Murray surname project at Family Tree DNA. We have a number of men already in our yDNA research project who may be related to Governor Jeremiah Morrow, who was actually the son of a Murray. Do you know the details regarding his lineage? If not I can forward on to you. According to some historical records in Ohio Jeremiah Morrow was related to the family of Edwin Porch Morrow, and his father Thomas Zantzinger Morrow- both well known in early U.S. Political circles. Here is the link to Edwin's WIKI bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_P._Morrow
Could you please advise your Kit Number and I shall also follow up for you, to see if there are any matching families already within the project, especially if related to the above mentioned. If you did not test with Family Tree DNA, please also note that it is now possible to import results from other Labs into the FTDNA database.
Forgot: Here is more data regarding the alleged relationship between this family & Governor Jeremiah Morrow. Please see the actual WIKI entry for more details however, you will need to do your own research though as Wiki entries need scrutiny. " Thomas Morrow was born in Boyle County, Kentucky September 3, 1836.[1]Ward, p. 221</ref> He was one of six children born to Alexander S. and Margaret (Boyd) Morrow.[2] His paternal grandparents emigrated from Scotland to Pennsylvania before the Revolutionary War.[3] One branch of the family migrated to the American Midwest; from this branch came Jeremiah Morrow, U.S. Senator and governor of Ohio.[4] Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Z._Morrow Alexandrina Murray--Alexandrina 03:35, 25 November 2011 (EST)
--Amelia 11:13, 25 November 2011 (EST) Amelia & Richard, Jeremiah Murray Senior was the Grand Father of Governor Jeremiah Morrow. That Jeremiah was born 1711 circa in Londonderry Ireland, and according to various sources was a relative of Adam Murray -hero of Londonderry. That Adam Murray is definitely of Philiphaugh in Selkirk Scotland and his father was Gideon Murray b. 1618 Edinburgh, son of James Murray of Deuchar and Bethia Maule. The Philiphaugh connection is noted on Adam's memorial tombstone and there are also old ballads & songs commemorated in his name stating that he was descended from the Murrays of Philiphaugh. Adam was born 1650 circa and it seems died 1711 circa. The battle for Londonderry was during the 1680's and his father Gideon b.1618 Edinburgh was still alive then, and was taken hostage at the time. Adam had brothers , one of whom was named James, and another Robert. The father of Jeremiah Murray senior is not known however is said to descend from this family, and those records stating this connection apparently came from the Governor's family. I shall search my archives over the Christmas break and let you know where this was published. The Philiphaugh Murray family is represented in our Murray yDNA project, along with another participant who is descended from the Murrays of Murraythwaite & Cockpool, relations of the Philiphaugh Murrays who are matching @ y67 & those participants also match Governor Edwin Porch Morrow's descendant-therefore it is reasonable to extrapolate the possibilities that there may be some truth to this anecdotal evidence after all. 1. Adam Murray b.1640c family are of Philiphaugh. 2. Governor Jeremiah Morrow is a Murray said to be descended from Adam Murray's line of Philiphaughs. 3. Governor Edwin Porch Morrow's family state they are related to Governor Jeremiah Morrow. 4. Gov. Edwin Porch Morrow's yDNA matches Murrays' also of Philiphaugh & therefore also related to Adam Murray of Londonderry. Richard should participate in the yDNA research under the Morrow Surname project if he wishes to confirm /deny this possible link. If he matches the Gov. Edwin Porch Morrow descendant then he will certainly move further along the path to finding his ancestors than where he is at now. The Philiphaugh Murrays were not in any way 'British Gentry' but were rather in the main of the merchant class during the era under discussion- By 1767 they were bankrupt and departed for Colonial America in order to give their children a chance at rebuilding their Merchant class status. I cannot see any reason for our colonial American forefathers to boast a lineage to this particular Philiphaugh family , nor to usurp arms etc, as they were not very well known at all reputation wise, even within Scotland let alone North America. It was the Athol Murrays & Tullibardine Murrays on the other hand who had the prestigious, or infamous- reputation, depending how you look at the evidence; regarding the Murray surname. Hope that helps a little any way. The connection to Governor Jeremiah may or may not be solid as far as Richard's family is concerned, however if it was a genetic from link 400+ years ago, and not from 18th-19th century at all, then legend in the family may be the only silken thread holding this memory together, and the only way to sort it all out is via yDNA testing. Cheers Alexandrina Murray Murray Surname Project Admin. FTDNA--Alexandrina 05:27, 9 December 2011 (EST) I am adding sources as per above. LIBRARY IRELAND- Quote:From The Governor of OHIO in 1890 SOURCE: THE SCOTCH-IRISH IN OHIO By Hon. James E. Campbell, Governor of Ohio. Taken from "The Scotch-Irish in America: Proceedings and Addresses of the Second Congress at Pittsburg, Pennsylvania, May 29 to June 1, 1890." Governor: Of his early guidance the people of Ohio are gratefully indebted. Many of his ablest successors in the gubernatorial chair were of the race whose deeds we celebrate to-day. One of the earliest and most noted was Jeremiah Morrow, whose ancestors figured at the seige of Londonderry. He was the first, and for ten years, the sole representative in the Federal Congress from the newly admitted State of Ohio. While serving there he originated the idea of the Cumberland road, whose benefits to the traffic of that early day can not be measured, and was active in all internal improvements. Subsequently he became United States senator, and governor, and lived to the age of eighty-one, venerated and loved by the entire people of the state. Henry Clay said: "No man in the sphere within which he acted ever commanded, or deserved, the implicit confidence of Congress more than Jeremiah Morrow. A few artless, but sensible words, pronounced in his plain Scotch-Irish dialect, were always sufficient to secure the passage of any bill or resolution which he reported." http://www.libraryireland.com/ScotchIrish/Ohio1.php--Alexandrina 06:48, 9 December 2011 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Merge [9 December 2011]I uploaded a gedcom with Thomas Fail. The matching feature did not show Thomas Faile. They are the same 1707-1777. They did not add the "e" for several generations. Can we get them merged?--Gypsy1930 00:14, 9 December 2011 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Mary and John passenger [30 December 2011]Hi Amelia, I just created a page for Nicholas Easton who appears to be the passenger on the Mary and John. This isn't my family and so probably will not be adding the detail that is available from the Great Migration Project. --Susan Irish 22:08, 29 December 2011 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Newspapers - The New York Times [8 January 2012]Hi Amelia, I am trying to figure out newspapers. I want to add The Spokesman Review (Spokane, Washington, United States) but in looking at The New York Times pages I have gotten confused. There are 2 for one thing. Source:New York Times (New York, New York) and Source:New York Times (The New York Times) Which one should I follow? Help:Source Page Title Examples does not really cover this. Thanks, Catherine --cthrnvl 11:53, 8 January 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Formatting [3 February 2012]Sorry if I'm not formatting right. Are there automated ways to handle this, like Wikipedia's Citation Bot? Or an easier way to enter data with citations? --jdb123 23:16, 3 February 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] 1906 Kankakee History source. [22 February 2012]Hi Amelia, Thank you very much for fixing the source I added. I am very much the newbie here and I want to get this right. More help, please. In addition to Source:Kenaga, William F. Historical Encyclopedia of Illinois and History of Kankakee County , (let's call this source A) which is the source with which we both worked on last night, there is Source:Bateman, Newton. Historical Encyclopedia of Illinois - Kankakee (Source B) I looked at the Family History Library catalog entries each are linked to. Source A is referring to the 1973 reprint by Unigraphic, sponsored by the Kankakee Valley Genealogical Society. Only volume 2 was reprinted because volume 1 is on Illinois and is not specific to Kankakee county. KVGS created an index and it is included at the end of the book. Source B is referring to the original 1906 printing. The only real difference in the content between source A and source B is source A has the reprint info on the reverse of the title page and source A has the new index. I created the new source because I was using an original printed in 1906 book with the gold leaf page edges, red ink used on the title page, pages bookmarked by my grandmother, who died 20 years ago, and no index in the back. Now that I have read more of the source instructions I see I should not have created the new source page. I should have added the info about both volumes being available free digitally at the Family History Archives website to source B and used that as my source. My Question: I see that at the very least I need to move the links to the Family History Archives from source A to source B (the free web version is a reproduction of the 1906 printing). In reading the source page directions, it said that if the two items are significantly different to create a new page. When doing research, having the 1973 book with the index is a big advantage, but at the bottom of it all, the actual source is the original book, so should the source A and source B pages be merged with an explanation of the differences between the printings in the text at the bottom? The only pages linking to these sources currently were made by me last night, so it should not be a big problem making everything perfect.--LeeHollenbeck 00:36, 5 February 2012 (EST) Also, since it looks like I'm the first person here from this county, I'll be doing a lot of tweaking of the sources. I want to thoroughly understand the standards so I can do my part to improve the source pages.
Hi Amelia, thank you for the help. I have amended the 1906 History of Kankakee County source pages and links and the links to those pages, and I have submitted the page I created and also the other source page to speedy delete. I think I did this correctly.--LeeHollenbeck 15:21, 5 February 2012 (EST) Amelia, I've been reading the help pages and looking at pages which have been used as examples, trying to get a feeling for how and where folks tend to post their genealogy data. Reading the help pages, the most logical place to put a transcript of one of the biographies from this 1906 History of Kankakee County seems to me to be in the Transcript namespace, as I have done here. I also made a transcript page for the source. I transcluded the transcription to George Falter's person page since I don't have another bio written up for him. I would have thought there would be some considerable number of these types of bios transcribed at this site since although they are very secondary sourcewise, they are usually very colorful and would be an excellent item for wikification. I looked around for other similar books treated so and I could find very few. Since I am such a newby here, this made me uneasy. Was there a better way to treat this? Reading the help pages, it seemed like this was more correct than reserving it solely for the person page or doing something in the MySource namespace.--LeeHollenbeck 22:16, 21 February 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Help with a navigation template [25 February 2012]I was wondering if I could prevail upon you for some help. I seem to recall you did some very attractive navigation templates at one point. I'm in desperate need of that sort of expertise. I'm doing a transcript of Savage based on an existing text version from about 1994. I'm planning to have separate wiki pages for each page of Savage, so I want to have a bar at the top that clearly labels the page, as well as providing next and prev page access. I've created only the first six pages as an example. Presently, they're to be found at:
I'm trying to bury all the formatting in templates, so that some flexibility in appearance is preserved. The templates I have so far are:
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!--jrm03063 19:41, 13 February 2012 (EST)
--Jrich 09:45, 25 February 2012 (EST) How about something like this? Color whatever you'd like.
That's lovely! I suppose we can experiment w/colors... --jrm03063 00:05, 25 February 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Connecting source to event [24 February 2012]I appreciate your email but I still don't understand it. I am very confused. You had written me re: marriage record for Frank Pearl Sherbondy and Anna Sophie Gerke. Jeanette Sherbondy--Jeanette Sherbondy 11:27, 24 February 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Savage Templates [5 March 2012]Thanks again for your nice work on the Savage transcript templates. I especially like your rework of the section template! The page header template does exhibit a little bit of a symmetry problem when the surname range takes up more than one line, for example Volume 3, Page 165. The next and prev buttons become vertically offset. --jrm03063 11:15, 5 March 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Question about bold face in the Savage transcript [11 March 2012]I saw that you've taken to setting off sections in Savage, associated with particular people, by putting the given name in bold face. I like it - it's quite striking - but was wondering whether or not it was something that was done in the original publication that couldn't be retained in Dr. Kraft's transcript. Then again - it's probably so useful it doesn't matter.
Anyway - I want to write an accurate justification for doing this into the list of practices for the transcript. I was also thinking of controlling it with a template - since that gives us future flexibility on the formatting and a useful piece of logical information besides. Thoughts? --jrm03063 18:19, 11 March 2012 (EDT) I just did it because I thought it was easier to read. I've never seen, to my knowledge, a version of Savage that was "original" to his formatting, so I have no idea. I already had those sections done with bold, so it was far easier to leave it (reinserting the page breaks was annoying enough ;-)) I think a template will make the names harder to read when editing, which is at least as important, and will be harder to deal with, as people will have to remember the template name every time they edit, which isn't otherwise required now.--Amelia 18:58, 11 March 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] No merge template for Serena Gump [23 July 2012]Hi Amelia, I would like to merge Person:Serena Gump (1) and Person:Serena Gump (2). Serena Ellen Gump died in 1945. I will add the documentation for death for Serena Ellen Gump and William Butler Lowe after merging the 2 pages. --Beth 08:28, 16 July 2012 (EDT)
Thanks Amelia; this has happened to me also. I have no idea why I entered the no merge template when questioned but it was a gigantic project. Thanks.--Beth 23:03, 23 July 2012 (EDT);
[add comment] [edit] Useful Sources? [4 August 2012]These sources don't appear to have much genealogy or history: Source:McNish (clanmcnish.com) and Source:Longmore blogmore. The former leads to an expired web page and the latter to a page of personal promotion.--HLJ411 16:06, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
Hello Jillaine, Thought I would keep you in the loop. I also took a look at the second one, and deleted the webpage link listed as the repository (seemed to be a possible spam), added a note on my edit, and then sent a message to the only user who was watching that source. This WeRelate User/Watcher seegenealogygoriented orionted, but I could not tell about the webpage source he/she created. Please feel free to correct me, roll back, etc. Debbie Freeman --DFree 16:44, 4 August 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Minor, by default [16 August 2012]I'm ashamed to say that I've only just discovered that there's a setting to establish whether edits should be minor by default. I've tried of late to be more careful about labeling them minor (which they almost always are), but that's still an extra click to remember. Got to thinking that it would be nice if the default could be changed - wandered around and found exactly that. I expect that entire disk drive manufacturing plants will now go off line, without all the change-spam that I've been emitting over the years... --jrm03063 10:50, 16 August 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Butter source fix [26 August 2012]Mrs Gerlicher, Thanks for fixing that Butter source..Ive had a problem sometimes with the autoselection (when you start to type a source name) lately where it wont find what I type properly. I promise it isnt laziness on my part.--Daniel Maxwell 01:47, 26 August 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] A general practice of yours... [5 September 2012]I've noticed, on a number of pages where a WP copyright notice appears, instead of: {{wikipedia-notice|William Carey (courtier)}} You seem to prefer: <show_sources_images_notes/> Am I correct in this? If so, there's nothing keeping us from making this standard behavior for the script that replaces the {{source-wikipedia|whatever}} template. Do you think this would work correctly on non-Person/Family pages? Do you think it would work correctly if there weren't any sources|images|notes to show? I don't have a preference for one form versus the other - but I think one should be preferred. If you think we're better served by the second form - let's adopt it! We can ask Dallan to change his script to do that by default. I assume it would be trivial for him to do the in-place replacement of the source template with the specific wp page template, and then separately add the copyright notice at the end of the page. I'll try to remember to make that change when the opportunity presents. Maybe converting old forms could be an early task for those of us who will be beginning bot writers? --jrm03063 11:32, 4 September 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Would like to confer on a source related issue... [5 September 2012]I'm sure you've noticed that my approach to attaching sources is....different. It might seem haphazard and even a little unhelpful, but there really is a method. Part of what I'm thinking WRT sources is to explicitly establish correspondence with foreign pages and reference material. We have ways to do this for Wikipedia, but they aren't obvious and can be inadvertently thwarted. One approach is to create explicit templates that designate a unique relationship between pages. Another might be to designate a source as having unique associations for one or more types of WeRelate pages - so that a bot can detect sources for which the record name - or record name combined with the volume page field - uniquely identifies a corresponding remote page. Creating "duplicate references" for such a source, would be considered an error that would be detected by running a Bot that would flag the situation. Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts. If nothing else, maybe this will help you understand why I add sources that (in many cases) don't really add anything new to a page. --jrm03063 12:10, 4 September 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Clarification: Removed sources without unique information [3 October 2012]I see that you removed a couple of sources from a page that I was in the process of reviewing. I have not seen this action before so want to make sure I am not busy creating work for others. What is the "policy" that lead to this action? I have included most of my sources, including GED file imports so that future researchers know where I got the data, and also know where to look for possible new data they have not reviewed. FYI - after I do an upload, I review every page created in order to clean-up source names, move fields since my GED export mapping does not align with WeRelate fields, etc. If I should be removing sources based upon certain criteria, let me know so that I can reduce the admin workload. Thanks Rick--RGMoffat 08:16, 3 October 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Question on categories [9 October 2012]I seem to recall you did some work with categories for the different ships associated with the great migration. I also recall we added quite a number of people to the category for the witch trials. In working through the Savage transcript, I observe that his narrative often names arriving ships and he likewise often mentions the trials. I can make such references into an active link using the normal form with a leading ":" - but (when I look at the actual category page) - I'm a little disappointed to see that I don't find the originating page on the "what links here" list. It seems like it would be slick to put links into the Savage transcript for those sorts of things, but it's kind of a bummer to not be able to start at the category and work backwards to know things like "here are the pages of savage that have a witch trials reference" or "here are the pages of savage that reference such and such an arriving ship". I'm sure I can cobble together something that - as a secondary process - creates such reports - but I really want to make sure that I use everything that media-wiki has to offer in exposing this sort of information. Any thoughts? Thanks... --jrm03063 11:20, 9 October 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Delete source page [4 November 2012]Hi Amelia, I removed references to the source http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Source:Harriette_Jensen._Hoisington/Horsington_Family_Website However I did not find a link under "more" to delete the source. Perhaps you can help with this? Thanks, George--ggp 10:55, 4 November 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Springfield, Hampden, Mass. - Duplicates [5 November 2012]Hi Amelia, You are correct that we probably have a duplicate page. I understand what is happening. When I go to search I entered "Massachusetts, Town and Vital Records" and then put the location into the location box. If you search, it does not come up. However, if you title the search, "Vital Records of Springfield, Mass" and search for that there are six entries..not two. So I think their needs to be some admin to take a look at it. I always thought you put the name in "Title" box and the "location" in the location box and it appears they are using location as part of the title, thus you don't find it when searching. What I have is an "Ancestry" database. It also appears that there is another title besides Ancestry for some other databases. Please let me know what I need to do. Thanks so much and sorry for the trouble... --Txbluebell6 18:27, 5 November 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Bernard call and family [15 February 2015]You can't put live people on the family tree without their permission. Tell my cousin Bill Call Hi. Your cousin Carl Kirchner ps.carlk668@msn.com--Carlk668 22:06, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Not sure about this GM immigrant [13 March 2015]Amelia, since youve done more of these GM sketches than I have, and since you also seem to have the full membership at American Ancestors, I was wondering what you think of the immigrant John Perry - Person:John Perry (31). I started to clean him up, but Anderson refers to a source in the Register, fairly recent, which he says 'may' correspond to the family of the immigrant. I hesitate to do anything further with that until I see how certain the source (in the Register) is with that information. He already shows that the Ann Newman marriage is quite likely not the immigrant's, but once again I hesitate to change it further before seeing it.--Daniel Maxwell 21:29, 6 January 2013 (EST)
Dear Amelia, Thankyou for acknowledging my contribution but I am interested to know by which 2 people are we related. I still live in the area to all the distant relatives. Yours Peter Saunders pds31@hotmail.co.uk--Saunders family tree 17:36, 13 March 2015 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] werelate contest [9 January 2013]Hi Amelia, 1. I have written a note about how I chose the contest subjects on my profile page. 2. I hope that any mistakes contestants make can be a learning opportunity for everyone here although I am basically avoiding recently deceased people for the reasons you mentioned. If I use a recently deceased person I am trying to keep it to people with very long lives (90+) so the living siblings wouldn't be such a problem. 3. I have figured out a way that established WeRelate users can contribute contest subjects that works for me. I will write that up today. Thanks for your patience and your interest. Catherine --cthrnvl 13:16, 9 January 2013 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Thanks for assistance [8 February 2013]Amelia, thanks for your assistance. At first I was a little confused as to how to add sources in the various categories, but I think I'm finally wrapping my head around it. I have lots of information on several family lines that I want to gradually add. That's why I chose just two persons at first, thinking that I can learn to add sources and citations correctly on those two. I'm not far from the Allen County Public Library and in the near future will be visiting it's genealogy department a lot more. Thanks for all your work at WeRelate. Hopefully I won't be making tons of mistakes in the future.--David Cornwell 18:07, 8 February 2013 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Clean up of Great Migration list [7 March 2013]Mrs Gerlicher, Do you think you can help me out with the remaining clean up of the Great Migration clean up list that Robert Shaw made on the talk page of that article? Since I only have access to Ancestry.com's version of GM, I cant check all of the entries except against the PDF on GM's website. If you can help me, make a '<---- added ' or some other notation showing that each entry was checked and so we dont duplicate work. I'll go through it a bit of a time myself but I could use some help.--Daniel Maxwell 18:34, 17 February 2013 (EST)
Mrs. Gerlicher, I am working on the year discrepancies on the GM page and all of them (so far) correspond to instances of dual dates. For example, the first record immigration William Baker appears on is dated 16 Feb 1632/33. He is in the PDF as 1632 but the list as 1633. Should our list correspond to the PDF, the actual (Gregorian) year, or should we make them dual dates in the list itself? Unsure what WR policy is on this.--Daniel Maxwell 01:15, 19 February 2013 (EST)
I disagree, to eliminate confusion, dates from 1 Jan to 24 Mar in years before 1752 should be double dated. Look at [6] under dates.--Scot 18:38, 19 February 2013 (EST)
My comment refers to dates in general, not specific cases, looking at a single date there is no way to tell if the writer interpreted it correctly Savage for example. the alternative is to append O.S. or N.S.--Scot 10:51, 20 February 2013 (EST)
Quoting from the style guide referenced above "Double dating should be used in pre-Gregorian dates for dates between 1 Jan and 24 Mar, if known. For example, 11 Feb 1731/32 is the birthdate of George Washington."--Scot 12:28, 20 February 2013 (EST)
Can I help with this? I have access to americanancestors.org (NEHGS) which has all the GM work published so far. Jillaine 17:21, 19 February 2013 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] GMSP Checklist [10 March 2013]Okay, I want to make sure I'm doing this right. I don't find a check list for what we're supposed to be doing, but looking at examples, I think the checklist might be:
Am I missing anything? I experimented on YOUNGLOVE, Samuel (last in the list), following the above steps EXCEPT the last one because he's not on any of the lists on the Talk page. What do I do under those circumstances? Wanting to be helpful, not making things worse. Jillaine 13:50, 7 March 2013 (EST)
Ah... okay. I see now. Explains much. Can't take credit for Younglove-- someone had already added the GM sketch text. But I will take credit for adding a link to his profile from the GM Sketches project page. ;-b I'm more interested in the first project than the second, in part what's going on on the Talk page confuses the heck out of me. But I'm wondering if most of the sketches have already been done? Jillaine 09:08, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Medieval Stuff and Draft Conventions [19 February 2013]I would appreciate it if you could review this document and the related discussion. I would appreciate your views. --jrm03063 09:19, 19 February 2013 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Question for using a website database as a source [1 May 2013]Hi Mrs Gerlicher, There is a website that lists baptisms/burials/marriages for several parishes in England that is available no where else I am going to have to use to cite for a certain family I am working on. Might there be an example of another source on WR that was done similarly I can use as a guide for how to enter the Parish extracts? Typically, I enter books or articles as sources, I hadn't done just as a website list. thanks!--Daniel Maxwell 11:05, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Joseph Maxwell Morrow [22 June 2013]Amelia, I know for sure 100% that I am a granddaughter of Joseph Maxwell Morrow. My question is, who were his parents and where did they come from? His son Silas Lee Green Morrow is the line I come from? Does anyone know who his parents were and where they came from? Are they Irish? German? Do we even know? Thanks, Abby--Abwar12 17:32, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Hannah, daughter of Andrew and Rebecca (Woody) Morrow [17 July 2013]Hi Amelia, just thought I'd let you know that I stumbled across one of your Morrow's. Hannah Morrow, daughter of Andrew and Rebecca (Woody) Morrow, married into the Tosh family that I was working from Botetourt County, Virginia. I also added her two sisters, completing Andrew and Rebecca's family. Best regards, Jim:)--Delijim 17:22, 16 July 2013 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Source Pages [20 July 2013]Thanks for the input, Amelia. I have made corrections, but am having trouble merging the two source pages -- title should be: Source:New Orleans, Algiers, Mt. Olivet Birth Records, 1857- 1937. I'm still pretty new at this system and can't seem to find the handle on how to change sources. Working on it... help appreciated!--Frank 16:14, 20 July 2013 (EDT)--Frank 16:17, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] deletes [24 July 2013]thanks for pointing that out to me: so sorry, I simply didnt realise, got carried away ... will they automatically delete as I can't figure out how to do it?--Juliadb 02:23, 24 July 2013 (EDT) Hi Amelia, again - sorry about this, am not very up on how to do the deleting - you sent me about 9 emails so hopefully they're all going to be deleted? or do I need to go through them all ? I did it all by hand (is there another way?). I'll be more careful in future (I think this is the only time I've put living people on though... ) regards, Julia DB--Juliadb 02:31, 24 July 2013 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Infotable [4 August 2013]Amelia, I'm new to WeRelate, and am having a problem editing the info table on this guy; when I click on Edit for the section (not for the other sections), I get an essentially blank page; and of course I don't want to wipe anything out that's already on there, etc. What I wanted to point out was that John Sevier's grave/monument, built by the State of Tennessee in an honored place, is carefully carved with a different birthdate: Sept. 23, 1744 (not 1745). Since such prominent, honored, official monument must have been carved with great care, thus the presumption is that 1744 is the correct birthdate — or at least, this alternate should be mentioned on the WeRelate page. For a photograph of this tombstone, see the page at Find-a‑Grave. BillThayer 11:03, 4 August 2013 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Cemetery photo source pages [20 July 2013]Thanks for your input, Amelia. I didn't know how to source pictures my husband took of the tombstone at the cemetery. Maybe it would be simpler to just delete the source? Thanks again I've got a lot to learn yet. --Mary Jean Jaynes--Jaynes931 10:18, 22 November 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks/Person John Sevier (1) [4 August 2013]Thanks for your helpfulness to a newbie! Yes, you guessed right: you wuz the first on that list of Watchers. I'd seen the Talk page but the last comment there was in 2010 was it? and my experience with Wickedpedia is that thinly-followed pages, the Talk pages are even more so… Asfer Sevier's birthdate, as a historian I usually trust tombstones more than books (or at least books in which the statements are unsourced). The tomb was ordered by the government of the State of which he was essentially the founder, and the great hero, after they'd gone to the trouble of rescuing his remains from Alabama. In its very opening page for example, the Turner biography (1910) of Sevier makes completely at least one categorical mistake (Xavier is not now, and never was, in France) and one completely unsubstantiated statement (that Sevier has anything to do with the Xavier family). So the alternate date seems plausible to me, short of a source document stating 1745 of course… Anyway, most kind of you to respond at length and so helpfully! Best, BillThayer 18:27, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Rosanna_Hill_(1) [7 September 2013]Ms. Gerlicher Please take a look at the comments I have added to the following page and let me know if your view on how the issue should be resolved: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Rosanna_Hill_(1) Thanks, Tbrady--Tbrady 16:22, 7 September 2013 (EDT) Hi, It sounds like the sources are fairly unanimously on your side. As added background, the original uploader is someone who uploaded a sizeable gedcom here several years ago that is generally considered to be of medium unsourced quality-- and they he/she disappeared. So I think you should make the changes necessary to conform the pages to the best available theory. It sounds like that means deleting Rosanna Hill from the family page (leaving her intact), and then merging that page with the correct page with Juliana. Put the discussion of who the wife is on the family page, as well as maybe a someone modified version on the Rosanna Hill page (from the perspective of why she's not Stukely's wife). If you need help with any of this, let me know. Thanks for bringing good sources and analysis to the site!--Amelia 19:35, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] The Stiles Family in America [9 September 2013]My source book is by Mary Stiles Guild & Paul Stiles, Henry Reed Stiles. & you are correct it is just called "The Stiles Family in America". I will get the hang of this.--JulesLonghurstStiles 23:32, 8 September 2013 (EDT) http://www.archive.org/details/stilesfamilyinam00guil This is the link for the book. [add comment] [edit] Help with a new template [16 September 2013]Amelia, I realize this alot to ask, but I could use some help with a new template. Since we have a US Vice President template, I am interested in creating a Second Lady template. You seem to have created many of the templates on the site (Mayflower, Presidents, etc). If there is a guide for this, I might just do it myself but I could use some pointers since I have never done one before.--Daniel Maxwell 14:33, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Adding places and dates [3 December 2013]Hello Amelia ! Please, be patient ! I am doing a very big work ... the census of Place:Rumigny, Somme, France for the year 1851. I have 644 persons to type ! Two methods ... typing all informations for each person, before working for the next record ... or (it's that I am doing, because I prefer ... it's working simply faster for me !) beginning with the names and family links to type the rest of the informations later ! I tried to explain (very bad) this to Jennifer, yesterday ! I want to go so fast as possible, because I have a very big conflict with fr-Rodovid-contributors who are playing dictators since 3 years and see very badly that I left Rodovid and I now participate in WeRelate. Excuse my poor english ! Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 16:53, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] All of my people under list are gone. [17 December 2013]All of my people under list are gone. I don't know what I did or didn't do to have my list disappear. I hope you can help me. Teacher Roxie--TeacherRoxie 18:57, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
I have trouble getting People from the List menu to load - especially in the middle of a session when I'm moving in and out of the list. If that is the issue, suggest refreshing the page or re-loading the page until it works - up to 3-5 times in my case does the trick. Jennifer JBS66 suggested this approach to me and it worked! Good luck.--Frank 19:49, 17 December 2013 (UTC) Amelia, I went back to We Relate, pushed list, then people and all of my names came up. I don't know what the problem was before, but thanks. Maybe I just wasn't waiting long enough for the program to bring up the name. Thanks for your help, TeacherRoxie--TeacherRoxie 21:17, 17 December 2013 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Category Sort [8 January 2014]Could you take a look at the category for the Salem Witch Trials? I've used the '^' character to push transcript and source pages past the end of the primary alphabetical sort. Is this the sort of thing you were thinking? Or do you have another idea? Thanks! --jrm03063 15:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Cleaning up guide [10 March 2014]Amelia, it seems that there is some disappointment that there are no agreed on standards for Cleaning pages. I wonder if maybe you'd like to collaborate on updating this page? You're an old hat around here, and I don't really want to be doing it myself since it would be just my idea of what is 'cleaned' up.--Daniel Maxwell 15:04, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Future Gedcom [24 March 2014]Hi Amelia, Thought I'd pre-inform you that sometime in the next 60-90 days I'll be uploading a Gedcom for the BLOOM family of Hunterdon Co, NJ and Clearfield Co., PA in collaboration w/several other Bloom descendants. As it stands, there are more than 10,000 individuals (none living) and likely to be closer to 30,000 soon, with duplicates that I've already contributed to WR. Will read the Guidelines for Gedcom, since everything I've entered has been one-by-one. If you have any helpful hints, please advise. Gedcom may have to be split. Thanks...--Neal Gardner 22:51, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Amelia. I'll definitely preclean before I upload. I'll suggest to my major Bloom cousin to create single Gedcoms for each of the 11 children of the immigrant, Wilhelm BLUM/BLOOM, then present one by one. I'll prewarn you each time. With all the talk about "needing to grow", this is probably my best contribution, besides linking all my FindAGrave pages to WR. As a "worker bee", not a techy, I hope this helps. Thanks again. --Neal Gardner 06:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Recent changes for William Renwick Riddell [3 May 2014]Good morning. I have been going through my large number of "MySource" records and have been converting many of them into "Citation Only." I see that you have reviewed some of the person pages I have modified, and want to make sure I understand what you have done, and why. I hate to make extra work for others if I can do it right the first time. I must admit that after 30 years in the information technology field, the overused term "best practise" is a red flag to me. It often is used as a marketing tool to justify the way a particular organization likes to do things, without documentation or justification for the claim. I willingly follow the WeRelate practices as best I can, so please help me along here. There is also a difference between syle and best practise. Styles can differ. For William Renwick Riddell I see the following changes: 1) leading "0" on a day in a date was removed. In other records that you changed I see months were changed to mixed case rather than all upper case. Pretty clear. 2) In a number of cases for this person, "Notes" were moved into the "Text/Transcription location" field. Is this one of the best practices you mention? Where is it documented so that I can review it? Personally I prefer using the Notes field so that there is a blank line between comments and data, but maybe I have been using them in reverse to the best practice. For example, on a census record, I put my comments in the "Text..." field and then the census information in the "Notes." field. I guess I can still get the same effect by adding a line break after my comments. 3) In Personal History did you insert the "show_sources_Images_Notes" instruction or did it come in with the Wikipedia instruction and I have just never noticed it before? Did I miss any other changes? For example, did you change any "sources" to "Citations only?" I can't tell if I did that, or if someone else did. Finally, let me say that I appreciate the effort you put into helping users on this Wiki. As it grows in popularity your job must be getting more and more time consuming. Thanks Rick--RGMoffat 17:45, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Merge person [15 May 2014]I was going to contact Tclough to suggest merging Elizabeth Plummer (11) with my Person:Elizabeth Plumer (1) but noted Tclough has not been active since a message in March 2010. Can you do the merge or shall I attempt it. I will defer to the spelling as Plummer.--HLJ411 18:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Morrow, Rattlesnake Creek [18 June 2014]Hi Amelia, if I have a question concerning the Rattlesnake Creek Morrows is this the way and method to communicate?--Huberlg 02:45, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello Amelia, My name is Linda G Huber and I am the daughter of Frances Jean Morrow of Birmingham AL. My grand father was David Jackson Morrow, great grandfather Joseph Cameron Morrow and my gg grandfather was David Jackson Morrow. David was the son of Jesse Washington Morrow and his father was Robert Morrow of Caswell NC. My question to you is, does anyone have parental information about Robert Morrow the Rev. War soldier and ancestor to this line. I have a DNA test with Ancestry.com. However there are no remaining male Morrows in my direct line. If we had known about the Morrow DNA project 5 years ago we would have had my Uncle Jack, who was my mother's twin, take the test. He had no sons and is now deceased, as is my mother. I was one of the persons who believed my Morrow family line went back to Norfolk, Va but according to your DNA project the Rattle Snake Creek Morrows, of which Robert was a member, are not related to the Norfolk Morrows. Any idea where this line goes back to in this country or Europe? Thank you for your time and consideration of my questions. Linda G Huber--Huberlg 14:33, 18 June 2014 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Volunteering [7 July 2014]Hey Amelia - Dallan emailed and asked me to leave you a message here re: volunteering. I am on a break during July but am available to help again starting in August. Please just let me know what is needed and feel free to email me directly. Regards,--Cos1776 17:41, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] elizabeth Hodge [5 November 2014]i do not think that yours and my elizabeth Hodge are the same person. My family were farmers in the Devon area. Or do you have accounts to prove otherwise--Ksmm 22:52, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] "Presumed deceased" [28 December 2014]Amelia, I was going through the speedy delete pages and I noticed a note left on the talk page for Person:Daniel Holland (12); that the man hasn't been seen since 1991, and a PI couldn't locate him and he presumed to be dead. I don't know how WR should handle these.--Daniel Maxwell 14:01, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Please, patience and better analysis of the contributions [1 January 2015]Hello, Amelia ! Please, can you read again what I wrote here ? http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Family:Alexandre_Carpentier_and_Unknown_%281%29&diff=next&oldid=20027185 and http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Family%3ALouis%C2%A0Andr%C3%A9_Lebau_and_Unknown_%281%29&diff=21476294&oldid=20027217 The records were changed, with a minimum of informations about place and date (census 1851), and all these records are not "orphan" ---> I put the links between the different persons. I know, this "work" is not finished, I am sorry. I have to complete with 1) all the details that we can read in the census, 2) the information of the census 1836, 3) and also the birth records. Have you seen, I am working and contributing for months to clean up a lot of records (from other contributors) since I read this page WeRelate:Old GEDCOMs ... for me, it's more important to clean up so quickly as possible all the old records (date format + caps surname + deleting "uid" and "refn", etc). And I don't forget that I have to help for a translation in french ... but all these programs and activies take ... TIME. Happy new year ! Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 07:34, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
This is not a personal vendetta or some wild accusation. Dozens if not hundreds of pages like this are marked for deletion every week. Your pages marked for speedy delete were marked for more information over a year ago -- a courtesy not given most users. There was no response, except one notation that one of the children was in the census at some point in his life. They are still unconnected people with no information from which another user could identify them, which means they violate the most basic tenets of work on this site and either need to be fixed or deleted. The reason the Speedy Delete process is a marking process and not just instant deletion is so that the page can be fixed if you are so inclined. You have fixed the problem. This should be the end of the story. But it's also important to note that while we all find UID's annoying, and cleaning them up and other community work is appreciated, you can't upload empty data with no dates, places, or sources, and leave it there because you are busy working on other things, and expect everyone to just leave it alone because we know you are doing other things. I would only hope my own forgotten orphans would be similarly found and flagged. You have to attend to your own data first. If you would rather work on community projects, then don't upload empty pages in the first place. And while I agree that a personal note regarding all defective pages would be the ideal, that's not a scalable approach for admin review. The reason for the watch list, the summary field, and the attendant emails is to alert you to the changes on your pages.
[add comment] [edit] editing changes [7 March 2015]You made some changes to some of the pages I edited. I'm all for best policies and practices. I will do my best to emulate. Thanks for all the great work WeRelate does. I haven't seen an easy way to make a cash donation. Probably something else I missed... Bill Loughner bill@loughner.com--Loughner 16:00, 7 March 2015 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Thank you [13 April 2015]Hi Amelia, Thank you for formatting my list: looks nice.--Helen-HWMT 10:28, 13 April 2015 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] coming back [5 September 2015]Amelia, I'm coming back. What do I need to know? Do you have my email address? jillainedc at yahoo ````--Jillaine 12:18, 8 May 2015 (UTC) Thanks for your help with the source on Elijah Land and Elizabeth, Amelia --MJ--Jaynes931 17:51, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks for the Edits [9 November 2015]Thank you for cleaning up the census references for A Humiston and Etta Thomas and eleven other family pages. I appreciate your help.--dbarton19 14:00, 9 November 2015 (UTC) |