User:Solveig/talk page archive

Boone Relationship [31 May 2009]

I am realed through three different lines, two back to Daniel Boone and one to Edward Boone his brother. The lines back to Daniel are: Celia Ann Scholl to Joseph Scholl Jr and Eliza Ann Broughton to Levina Boone and Joseph Scholl to Daniel. The second line is Henry Crump to Lousia Hays and Thompson Crump to Boone Hays and Lydia Ann Scholl to Susannah Boone and William Hays to Daniel (depending on what you belive, Susannah could have been Rebecca's daughter but Edward may have been the father). The line back to Edward Boone is Lydia Ann Scholl to Mary Boone and Peter Scholl to Edward. Celia Ann Scholl married Henry Crump and I am from that line on down. Both Daniel and Edward Boone are grandparents to me. Daniel would be both my 7th and 8th grandfather and Edward would be an 8th grandfather.--JSeery 20:49, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

2 of my grandchildren are related to Daniel Boone by way of his brother Squire Boone's wife, Jane Van Cleave. Details:Shayla Johanna-Maurinna Se Ree Goodman Baker & Goodman, Kyle Wm. Michael's mother's mother's father's father's father's father's father's sister's husband is Boone, Squire b.Oct 05, 1744.

Names:Shayla Johanna-Maurinna Se Ree Goodman Baker & Goodman, Kyle Wm. Michael mother Baker, Kandis Michelle mother Van Cleave, Eunabyrle LaVivian father Van Cleave, Wayne Emmanuel father Van Cleave, Thomas Jefferson father Van Cleave, Lindsey Thomas father Van Cleave, Thomas G father Van Cleave, Ralph/Roleph sister Van Cleave, Jane husband Boone, Squire.

There is a rumor in my husbands family he is related to Daniel, but I can't/haven't found it yet.

Claudia Goodman--Lilfox 00:23, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

I am still just getting a box at the place where the picture should appear... it shows one box with "George Johnston Bradley 1988" but no picture....on the personal page Person:George Bradley (11)

  Then on the "Family:George Bradley and Connie Isbell (1)" page it shows a box at the top with "George and Connie Bradley 1970" and down at the bottom it has three boxes: one with "I2. George and Connie Bradley 1939", one with "I3. George and Connie Bradley 1956" and one with "I4. George, Connie, George Gene, and Donald Bradley 1941" but no pictures, and I had not uploaded the one on Person:Connie Isbell (1) yet.... now I can not even find the list of pictures that I uploaded yesterday ......I do thank you for your help--Dlbradley1 14:30, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

Hello. I wonder if WeRelate is set up to do a clean upload of a RootsMagic4 (with RM4 specific tags) GedCom? It makes a mess on WorldConnect. Has anyone tried to upload? Are there tags that need to be excluded?

Thank you.--Twigs 21:15, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

Yes, we take anyone's gedcom.  :)--sq 11:04, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Daniel Boone [23 April 2008]

Hi Solveig,

I am not directly related to Daniel - Definitely a far off collateral relative

George Boone and Deborah Unknown had at least 3 children

1.  George Boone, Jr
2.  Squire Boone & Sarah Morgan [parents of Daniel]
3.  James Boone who married Mary Foulke - They had 12 children

-- Mary Foulke was the Daughter of Hugh Foulke and Ann Williams

-- Mary's brother was my 4th great grandfather Samuel Foulke

-- Hugh Foulke was the son of Edward Foulke and Eleanor Hugh who came to America in 1698 from Wales and settled in Pennsylvania

-- Also in the Pennsylvania area besides the Boone's and Foulke's were the Lincoln and Hanks families among others.

-- I can also weave a web back to good old Abe as well, but again, no direct relation at all but it was fun figuring out how the families were connected never the less.

Thanks for the email - the best to you and Dallan,

Walt--Walt 14:46, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

York County, Nebraska [29 April 2008]

I received a message that you had edited entries our association (York County Historical) posted to the York County, Nebraska page. I fail to understand why.--YorkHistorical 23:37, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Hi, I created a source page for your organization at Source:York County Historical, York, NE and then fixed the links on the place pages so they linked to your source. If you have any questions or comments I would be glad to help. :)--sq 15:16, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Posting scanned pictures of unmarked tin types to person pages [1 May 2008]

This is a bit complicated! I added a photo--scanned from an unmarked tin-type taken at an unidentified studio in Iowa in 1878 or 79--to my grandfather's person page. The original tin type is among many in a family album that is now owned by a family member who inherited it. To the best of our knowledge, this photo has never been included in any publication. Permission to do so should be obtained from the owner. How does one guarantee this?--Wellman32 16:34, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

I can't give legal advice ... but, you can read Image licensing for the short list of what is public domain. The help page links to a much more detailed article by Cornell law school. Generally, an image is public domain if "The image was created more than 120 years ago, was never published, and the death date of the author is unknown or the work was made for hire (corporate authorship)." Also, images published before 1923 are generally considered public domain. Public domain items can be published by anyone so publishing them doesn't create a new copyright for the publisher. Hope this helps.:)--sq 17:58, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Robot removed rare names [8 May 2008]

Hi Solveig,

The WeRelate Agent has removed rare names from the Coker surname list; at least 2 of them I have entered as alternate names on one of my pages and this page I assume was linked to the names that were removed. Why were they removed and is it okay to add those 2 names back to the list? --Beth 07:47, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Sorry, if the name listed "WeRelate similar spelling" as a source and it didn't have a high enough incidence, the robot took it out. Go ahead and add them back in. From now on the all the low incidence name will be user added. This will improve search a great deal.  :)--sq 22:16, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Okay and thanks.--Beth 22:32, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Rollback [19 June 2008]

Hi Solveig,

I tried the rollback button on one of my pages and that button returned me to the original version of the page. Regarding the instructions in the AG to use this button to remove spam, just wondering if one should use that button. What if numerous good versions were also rollbacked? --Beth 10:02, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Rollback takes out all the changes that user made until you get the a different user. So, if this user made 5 consecutive edits, all will be deleted. Its easier to select edit on the version you like and then save that page. This will delete the subsequent edit(s).--sq 10:42, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Thanks Solveig, Glad to know how that works. --Beth 10:51, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Cemetery [19 June 2008]

Hi Solveig,

I suggest that as part of the place we capitalize the C in Cemetery. Isn't that word capitalized in most cemetery names? I think this would be easier for users to remember and Ronni and I already have pages with Cemetery capitalized. Let me know your decision and I will update the cemetery tutorial. --Beth 12:52, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

I think that would be fine. We originally choose to make all "type" words lower case. Its the wikipedia way. However, most of our users are not wikipedians. Making it "Cemetery" seems more intuitive to me too.--sq 15:02, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

copyright help? [6 July 2008]

Hi Solveig,

Beth, the contact person listed on the welcome page, referred me to you. From her reply, it sounds as though by using his (unsourced, by the way) info and putting it into my computer (Reunion 9), I may be OK as it's a different format. But...

To repeat:

I got to the end of my first person page, and saw the copyright notice. The work I intended to submit was compiled by Alfred B. Rondot in 1971-1978. I've seen it in the Mormon Church files at their local Family Center (probably not the correct terms) but I don't actually know if it's copyrighted. My copy of the volume I'm in just says "compiled" with no copyright notice.

I intended this as a service for Rondots anywhere, and I actually added a note giving Mr. Alfred B. Rondot credit, adding that I only typed it and perhaps updated (or will update) some people's info.

Have you seen the volumes for the various Rondot branches at the ACPL? Do you know if the library/volunteers will be transcribing those volumes (and others)?

Am I violating copyright laws?

Please pass this on if it isn't something you can answer, or tell me who to ask.

Thanks so much, Suzi Rondot--Srondot1 19:01, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Hi Suzi, First, all published works are de facto copyrighted. So, it doesn't matter if there was a copyright notice or not. Format, expression and selection of a set of facts is copyrightable. However, facts can't not be copyrighted. It's just my opinion, but it would seem that if you are typing in facts that you agree with (not images of pages) along with your own research and giving credit to other researchers, there shouldn't be a problem.

I am not employed with the ACPL so I don't know what their plans are.

Image license help [7 July 2008]

Hi Solveig,

I am uploading several images for my tutorial. They are screen shots of WeRelate captured and annotated using a free version of a program called Faststone Capture. I plan to upload an image of the Faststone Capture logo to place at the end of the tutorial. The images may be freely used by anyone. Which license do I select? Thanks. --Beth 10:10, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Hi Beth!

It's not necessary to give Faststone Capture credit just because you used the program unless their license requires it. Using their logo, unless required, would violate their trademark. If they require the use of their logo, please let me know. As far as licensing your screen shots, however, I would use the Dual GFDL/CC License.

You've done some really great work Beth, I appreciate it a lot. Thanks. It would be great to have screen shots like these in the other tutorials.

--SQ

Hi Solveig,

Thanks; this is the first time that I have attempted to annotate screen shots. My goal is to create a quick start guide to WeRelate. Hopefully another user will like the screen shots and maybe add some to the other tutorials. Below is the license information for Faststone. I see that it does not mention using the logo; although the program allows you to place a watermark logo on any captured image. I did not do that because the large logo overwhelms my images. That is why I assumed that maybe I should add the logo at the end of the tutorial; but if it is not necessary I will not add the logo.

License FastStone Capture is provided as FREEWARE for private (non-commercial) or educational (including non-profit organization) use. In these cases, you are granted the right to use and to make an unlimited number of copies of this software.

Thanks, --Beth 12:02, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Uploaded Pictures [24 July 2008]

I have uploaded some family pictures...when I first uploaded them they appeared on the personal and family pages as I wanted...but I must have done something because now all I get is a box with the name of the Picture but no picture.... how do I correct this..as I want the picture to be seen... dlbradley1--Dlbradley1 09:26, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

Hi, I need to know the titles of the family/person pages you are talking about. Generally, people forget to include the ".jpg", ".JPG", etc. after the title of the image or they use upper case letters when they saved the image with lower case or visa versa. Please leave the page titles so I figure it out. Thanks :-)--sq 13:21, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

Mayfield and Edmondson file.....Family:George Bradley and Connie Isbell (1).......Person:George Bradley (11)..... Person:Connie Isbell (1).......

I looked at those pages, I see 4 images on the family page, no image on Connie's page, and one image on George's page. I am not seeing the red box. Did you already fix the image problem? You may have found a bug, we just installed some new software. What platform are you using, Mozilla, internet explorer, etc.? Are you on an apple or pc?

Just FYI, the wiki software that is the backbone of WeRelate uses "=" to create section headers. So a ==Second level header==, ===Third level header===, ====fourth level header====, and so one , will appear as

The file is the...Mayfield and Edmondson file.....Family:George Bradley and Connie Isbell (1).......Person:George Bradley (11)..... ....... these are the ones that I uploaded pictures to and they appeared for a while but now only get the boxes....--Dlbradley1 14:18, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

Second level header

Third level header

Fourth level header

if typed at the left margin with a carriage return following the "="

So, ... when you use a lot of "='s" as section separators, the system thinks you are trying to create a really low level header. It creates that odd looking table of contents and turns your "='s" red. If you'd like to create sections and have an automatic table of contents, use something like ==Life Story==, ==Marriage Data==, and ==Documentation== They will appear in your text as

Documentation [25 July 2008]

If you want to create just a line type 4 dashes "----"on a separate line followed by a return, it will look like this

or if you want a blue line enter {{blue bar}}, it will look like

___________________________________________________________

Just thought you'd like to know. Get back to me with a little more info about the images and your computer. I'd appreciate being able to track down the bug.--sq 14:01, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

I am still just getting a box at the place where the picture should appear... it shows one box with "George Johnston Bradley 1988" but no picture....on the personal page Person:George Bradley (11)

  Then on the "Family:George Bradley and Connie Isbell (1)" page it shows a box at the top with "George and Connie Bradley 1970" and down at the bottom it has three boxes: one with "I2. George and Connie Bradley 1939", one with "I3. George and Connie Bradley 1956" and one with "I4. George, Connie, George Gene, and Donald Bradley 1941" but no pictures, and I had not uploaded the one on Person:Connie Isbell (1) yet.... now I can not even find the list of pictures that I uploaded yesterday ......I do thank you for your help--  I am using Firefox and XP

Dallan just replied to your email.--sq 16:20, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

I apologize for butting in but I am curious about this also. I see the image for George Johnston Bradley and the 4 pictures on the family page. I have XP and am using Firefox, and the images also are there with IE7. I have not updated Firefox; I will update and see if there is any problem.

There is a duplicate page for George Bradley and the picture shows up on both pages. The other page is Person: 11 (1). --Beth 16:41, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

I updated Firefox to version 3.0.1. The images still appear. Check in Firefox under Tools>Options>Content and see if the box is checked to allow images to load automatically.--Beth 17:05, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

I check and the box is check to upload automatic...I think I did something in the program that turn them off but I do not know what I done... because they were showing and then I was looking at different thing in the program and when I went back they were only the boxes....--Dlbradley1 21:21, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

1--Dlbradley1 21:58, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

Beth....Found my problem, I had hit the "Block Images" unblocked it and all is working well...now it I can just figure out the rest....I will be ok...thank you for your help...just takes me time to learn how all of it works..it is a great program I am glad I found it....Donald

Great Donald, if you have more questions just ask. I didn't have a clue when I first started. You are doing fantastic. --Beth 01:03, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for your welcome message [25 July 2008]

Hi,

Thank you. This is a great tool! I've just started working on my family history, trying to gather both stories and documentation. I do have some older photos (although not of Chow Hoy) but haven't scanned them in yet. Thank you for your invitation to be featured. I think that would be very nice. I'll try to put some photos up this weekend.

Karen--Yamatohoy 14:46, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Town links to the wrong town in the wrong state... [29 July 2008]

On my Mother's page "Connie Isbell (1)" her birth city is "Yuba,[Bryan Co.] Oklahoma", but when you click on it, it takes you to Yuba, "Union, Kentucky, United States". How can this be changed this..Thank you for your help.... Donald Lloyd Bradley--Dlbradley1 22:39, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

this is in both of my trees "Isbell2000" and "Mayfield and Edmondson"--Dlbradley1 22:40, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Hi Donald, I changed the link for you but left the info after the pipe. You type Yuba, Bryan, Oklahoma, United States. --Beth 23:52, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Beth Thank you Donald

Beth the link is right in the Mayfield and Edmondson tree on Connie Isbell birth town but in the Isbell2000 tree it now goes Yuba County, California instead of Yuba, Oklahoma....thank you for all your help....--Dlbradley1 19:22, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Hi Donald, Okay, on WeRelate the ideal is to have only one page per person. I redirected your Connie Isbell (2) to Person:Connie Isbell (1). You can still have Connie Isbell in all of your trees, but it will be the same page. Do you have any other duplicate pages with different numbers that need fixing? --Beth 19:49, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Ohio death cert. copyright [10 August 2008]

On my death certificate images which you are helping catagorize, I do not think they are "low resolution" copy of historical document, as they are in fact a high resolution scan from the LDS site, so I am still "not happy" with the choice for this, but have no idea what to do. If I reduce the size of the file, does that in fact change the resolution? --Msscarlet1957 08:58, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

I'll send you an email.--sq 13:29, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Re Image license [13 August 2008]

I didn't take the picture. The website copyright allows reasonable use. I wasn't sure which option to select when I uploaded the picture. Thanks for the help.--GreenJean 09:52, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

New London County Connecticut [1 September 2008]

Hi Solveig,

Have some questions? Trying to get back to monitoring the place pages; but with all of the edits; it is hard to locate the changes by new and regular users for ordinary purposes.

Anwway regarding your redirect from Place:New London (county), Connecticut, United States to Place:New London, Connecticut, United States.

Actually the new page title is the correct one as there are 2 inhabited places in New London named New London; however I cannot now rename the page, because it says this page already exists and do I want to delete it; so I don't know how to fix it. Thanks for your help.--Beth 23:16, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

I don't understand exactly. Is there a New London town/city that is not in New London county? New London, New London, Connecticut, United States would be correct. If the other New London is a town not in New London county, the that page should be re-titled to include the proper county. Let me know if this helps. :)--sq 23:43, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Okay Solveig, maybe how one enters a county and city of the same name in the same county has changed. I need clarification if I am going to be monitoring the recent changes for places. The Help:Places page, under Titles for Place Pages has an example for San Diego using the (county) after San Diego because there is a city of the same name.--Beth 09:27, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for checking the help page issue. As the system goes through its many developmental generations, the help pages need to be updated. This one slipped by me. In the beginning we used "(county)" when the city and county were of the same name. However, when we started to revise the place index, we selected on a place name hierarchy that didn't need the parentheticals. The bot and a lot of volunteers revised every US place name to conform to city, county, state, United States. "(town)" and "(township)" are still used for a few eastern towns where necessary. I clarified the help page. Hope this helps. Thanks for pointing it out.  :-)--sq 23:48, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Thanks Solveig; yes this helps immensely.--Beth 07:43, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

WeRelate agent and re-categorization [22 October 2008]

The desire to replace Category:Surname in place with Category:Shared research pages has been expressed @ Category talk:Surname in place. Both origin and target categories are populated. Would it be possible to have WeRelate agent conduct mass re-categorization of pages in the surname-in-place category to the shared-research-pages category? If yes, where would you suggest discussing the matter to reach a modicum of consensus among potentially affected users? Thanks. --ceyockey 08:43, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Volunteer Hours... [30 October 2008]

I think I've put in my hours for August and September. I havn't done a number of earlier months this year, but I can figure that out, as I infer my hours based on my contribution log.

In fact, if there was an easy way to get a long stretch of my contribution log either as a single huge page, a large ftp downloadable ASCII file, or maybe just an ASCII file mailed to me, I could pull together my hours really easily. Walking backthrough my contributions 500 lines at a time, selecting the lines and dropping them in a local ASCII file is an odious process....--Jrm03063 11:29, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

The easy way to see more is to alter the "limit" parameter in the URL; you see this parameter after you have clicked on one of the numerical links for page length. The links on the personal contributions page are there for convenience, not as a limit on how many lines can be presented on one page. I tried limit=2000 and it came back pretty fast. Try something like limit=5000 and see it that is sufficient ... if not, try a larger limit. --ceyockey 12:50, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

The limit seems to have a hard upper-bound of 5000. Filling in larger numbers will get you up to 5K lines, but no more.--Jrm03063 13:01, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

That might be a limit that is coded as a parameter on the WikiMedia installation. Wondering if Solveig or Dallan might be able to look at whether this is a changeable parameter that could be increased to ... how high would you want it? Or would this approach (getting larger Contribution pages) not really work in the end? --ceyockey 18:04, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Larger pages would help I guess, but walking back through my contribution list, selecting all the text, and then dumping it in an editor so I can build up a large ASCII file - it's highly annoying. If it would be easy to get an ASCII dump and mail it to me, that would be nice. If not, I suppose we could safely estimate 28h/week and leave it at that.

After looking at your contributions page I can see the scaling problem you face - you are looking at over a thousand edits a day in many cases and they run back to 2007 - that is a massive number to deal with in any retrieve-in-chunks-and-process approach. --ceyockey 20:14, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

I would just pick a reasonable number and go with that. I'd just like to say THANK YOU! for both of your volunteering. It makes it all work. :-)--sq 09:56, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

I could increase the 5000 limit, but as you say, that only partly solves the problem. I think your 28h/week estimate is fine. I don't think we need these numbers to be exact. Thanks again!--Dallan 17:49, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Match Merge Nicholas Knapp [7 November 2008]

Hi Solveig, I see you hae been working on the Nicholas Knapp family. There are 5 people watching his person page and 7 watching his family page. The problem is, the history log does not show which pages have been merged into them. His origin and parents are unknown. His parents and the family shown for them was dumped from the AF with no other source and needs to be deleted. His wife Elinor's last name is unknown. it was not Disbrow, nor Lockwood so the surviving pages should be Person:Elinor Unknown and Family Nicholas Knapp and Elinor Unknown. He was also unrelated to William Knopp as is often stated. His second wife was Unica or Unity Unknown, her first husband was Peter Brown and her second Clement Buxton. I am very busy with Portugal right now and haven't time at the moment to fix any of this. How can one follow the paper trail to retrieve the correct pages that have been redirected to incorrect ones. I saw a similar thing last week where JRM03063 redirected St. Begga to a nonexistent St. Austrasia because someone had decided she needed a surname and put the kingdom in the surname field. I left him a note but have received no response. These are examples where good data is being lost because it is being overwritten by bad. This is why I feel that data with no source other than AF, WFT or the like, or just some random GEDCOM should not be permitted to supercede data submitted prior.--Scot 17:48, 6 November 2008 (EST)

I'll see if I can sort it out. If I put {{nomerge|title of the page}} on the talk page, no one will be able to merge the data again without removing the template. I'll put no-merge on your pages. Thanks for all you do. --sq 14:02, 7 November 2008 (EST)

OK so they are all unmerged. I think they are back at the point of the beginning. There were a lot of pages involved. I was going to mark your pages not merge-able but I don't know which ones are the right ones to merge or not merge. Please look at them at your convenience. Here is a list of the pages involved:

• Family:Nicholas Knapp and Elinor Unknown (1)
• Family:Nicholas Knapp and Elinor Disbrough (2)
• Family:Nicholas Knapp and Eleanor Lockwood (2)
• Family:Nicholas Knapp and Eleanor Disbrow (1)
• Family:John Knapp and Martha Blois (2)
• Family:Nicholas Knapp and Unity Buxton (2)
• Family:Nicholas Knapp and Unica Unknown (1)
• Family:Caleb Knapp and Hannah Smith (1)
• Family:Joseph Ferris and Ruth Knapp (4)
• Family:Joshua Knapp and Unknown (1)
• Family:Joshua Knapp and Martha Weeks (1)
• Family:Joshua Knapp and Hannah Close (5)
• Family:Joshua Knapp and Hannah Close (2)
• Family:Joshua Knapp and Hannah Close (6)
• Family:Timothy Knapp and Unknown (1)
• Family:Timothy Knapp and Bethia Brundage (2)
• Family:Timothy Knapp and Bethia Brandish (1)
• Family:Isaac Hull and Lydia Knapp (1)
• Family:Isaac Hull and Lydia Knapp (2)
• Family:Thomas Pennson and Lydia Knapp (1)
• Family:Moses Knapp and Abigail Westcott (3)
• Family:Daniel Smith and Hannah Knapp (1)
• Family:Zerubabel Hoyt and Hannah Knapp (1)
• Family:Nathaniel Cross and Hannah Knapp (3)
• Family:Nathaniel Cross and Ruth Knapp (1)
• Family:John Disbrow and Sarah Knapp (1)
• Person:Elinor Unknown (21)
• Person:Eleanor Disbrow (1)
• Person:Eleanor Lockwood (2)
• Person:Elinor Disbrough (2)
• Person:Joshua Knapp (11)
• Person:Joshua Knapp (2)
• Person:Joshua Knapp (13)
• Person:Joshua Knapp (12)
• Person:Caleb Knapp (1)
• Person:Caleb Knapp (1)
• Person:Disbrow Knapp (1)
• Person:Hannah Knapp (14)
• Person:Hannah Knapp (16)
• Person:Hannah Knapp (18)
• Person:Ruth Knapp (6)
• Person:Ruth Knapp (8)
• Person:Ruth Knapp (9)
• Person:Moses Knapp (9)
• Person:Moses Knapp (10)
• Person:Timothy Knapp (5)
• Person:Timothy Knapp (6)
• Person:Timothy Knapp (7)
• Person:Jonathan Knapp (5)
• Person:Jonathan Knapp (6)
• Person:Jonathan Knapp (5)
• Person:Sarah Knapp (12)
• Person:Sarah Knapp (14)
• Person:Sarah Knapp (19)
• Person:Lydia Knapp (6)
• Person:Nicholas Knapp (5)
• Person:Nicholas Knapp (1)
• Person:Nicholas Knapp (7)
• Person:Nicholas Knapp (8)

Thanks so much for all the work you are doing with the place database. It is really appreciated. I am sorry I created such a mess. :)--sq 19:19, 7 November 2008 (EST)

Want to change page 1 on Henry Jackson Hart Sr. [19 November 2008]

Solveig:

I need t change page 1 on my Henry Jackson Hart Sr. Jackson Hart is the youngest child of Henry Jackson Hart & Elizabeth Granger. He is my grandfather's grandfather born in 1928, Bath Co. Ky.

Also I need to change place of death of my grandfather William Lloyd Hart. My grandmother died in Hollywood, Fl not my grandfather.

Where did you find where Jackson Hart was an Ironmonger? I believe that was the occupation of Henry Jackson Hart Jr. & not Henry Jackson Hart Sr.

Phyllis--GenLady5555 16:48, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Hi Phyllis, Just edit the page. I am an admin and have a list of pages with dead links or duplicate links to fix. This usually involves merging duplicate pages. You probably have a cousin you didn't know about working on duplicate ancestor pages at WeRelate. The extra information came from the duplicate pages. You can check the history of your pages to see what pages have been merged. You can also check to see the people watching your pages. You can network with these people. Let me know if you need any help. --sq 11:03, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Solveig:

I have revamped my page on my earliest ancestor on my Hart family. Please check and see if it looks OK and tell me what I could do to make it better.

Phyllis--GenLady5555 16:54, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Hi Solvieg:

What happened to my list of Henry Jackson Hart's children I put on page 1 when I eddited my page?

Also how can I tell a distant cousin how to find my page?

I did not find my page listed under the Hart pages?

Phyllis--GenLady5555 15:51, 19 November 2008 (EST)

I'll look for the your list. If you'd like to share a page, go to the page you want to share, under the more menu item select email this page.--sq 19:18, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Hi Phyllis, I checked your Person:Henry Jackson (4) page and couldn't find any list of children. You can see your changes at Person:Henry_Hart_(4)&diff=prev&oldid=10253680 and your contributions list if you go to My Relate and select contributions. My guess is that somehow you didn't save your edits. I've done this a few times when I was looking at the preview screen and forgot to save before moving on. Sorry. --sq 19:32, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Hi, I noticed this conversation.
The problem page might be Hart in Pennsylvania Dauphin Co.), Kentucky, Bath County. It looks to have been saved as an article instead of a Family Page. Hope this helps.--JBS66 19:47, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Newberry Library [19 November 2008]

Please delete what I posted. There are many complete references to the Newberry already on the site.--Chicago Kate 11:16, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Thank you for responding.--sq 19:18, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Thanks for Photo Licensing Info [23 November 2008]

Thanks to your editing of my photo licensing/credits, I now know how to record them. Thanks for your time. jillaine 22:56, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Family:John Webster and Anne Batt (2) and Family:John Webster and Anne Batt (1) [7 December 2008]

Hi, Sadly it looks like I must have made a mistake on redirecting Family:John Webster and Anne Batt (2) and Family:John Webster and Anne Batt (1). I cannot find out how to un-do the mistake. Can you help? Thanks, Sheri--Sheri 09:51, 7 December 2008 (EST)

I'll unmerge them. Thanks. --sq 17:06, 8 December 2008 (EST)

re: John Blyssynge and Joane Preaste (1) merge [8 December 2008]

Hi Solveig, On the talk page I said "In merging these pages there appears to be date errors and geography discrepancies. Both sets of data left.". I am thinking that these two probably are the same (or at least the wife married to someone of this name)but that there are errors in the information to be resolved. I didn't want to make a judgement on the sets of data without more research. Perhaps a better solution is to leave them unmerged. I can certainly live with either option. I appreciate you catching this.Sheri--Sheri 10:04, 7 December 2008 (EST)

I'll unmerge them. Thanks.--sq 17:06, 8 December 2008 (EST)

Thanks!!--Sheri 17:07, 8 December 2008 (EST)

clean up places in FAQ [13 December 2008]

I just saw your posting about cleaning up places and thought I'd tell you my frustration. I just tried (and removed) a small trial GEDCOM where the immigrant lived at 'Hempstead, Long Island, Colony of New York'. After the upload, I checked the place and in one place, the program had added a pipe and repeated the place. In another place it changed the address to Long Island, Bahamas.

In another place I had not correctly indicated Colony of New York, but just had Hempstead, Queens, New York and the program said that place existed - it was in blue. But when I clicked on it the record was one taken from wikipedia which was not really pertinent to the time period the immigrants settled there. Hempstead itself has since been cut up into so many different villages within a town, I'm not historian enough that I would spend the time to try to correct it.

Maybe I shouldn't be trying to use 'Colony of New York'. It was Dutch area when these folk actually settled there. Then for three generations it was under English Control; then after the Revolution it finally became United States. Is there a consensus on how to handle this in WeRelate?

So really my frustration is two-fold; programming in which the program adds a pipe and repeats the info or worse, even changes it to Bahamas. Second, in not knowing how to handle places where the area changed names though the people hadn't moved. --Janiejac 22:02, 10 December 2008 (EST)

It shouldn't do that. If it didn't add a pipe and actually changed your place, its a bug. Thank you for finding it. I need an example, please give me the names of some of the people that it messed up on and what it did to each one. Thanks--sq 23:35, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Since I deleted the tree, the only way to see if it will do it again is to upload the same tree again. My intention was to upload just a few individuals so I wouldn't be 'dumping' a lot that I couldn't maintain. So I've uploaded the same 10 individuals again. I note that the birth location of John now shows correctly on his person page (maybe the result of my trying to fix it last night), but if you click on edit and look in the birth location window, you'll see that it added Bahamas and a pipe, now saying:

"Hempstead, Long Island, Bahamas|Hempstead, Long Island, Colony of New York" --Janiejac 00:20, 11 December 2008 (EST)

I decided to try to edit these pages to get them right, so I corrected the birth place of John Jackson 223 but I can't put the category Jackson in Bahamas in the speedy delete list because John is linked there. Can you delete that category?

Fixed it. There was a bar separating duplicate place names. The place names included the word "Bahamas". I still am not sure why "Bahamas" is in the place name. It has never happened before.--sq 21:23, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I'm sorry, but I give up. Take a look at the edit page of http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:John_Jackson_%28224%29 to see what it did to his location of death! What shows on his person page is what I uploaded, but the program has changed that on the edit page. So what you get when you click on the person page death location isn't at all what is on the person page. He died in Jerusalem on Long Island. It is no longer called that but that's what it was when he lived there. Anybody wanting to research him in Yates County would never find him as he never lived in that area! There is no way I can spend the time necessary to fix (in some way) all the early place names that are no longer in use. I have so many places that would need fixing!! The only way I know of to eliminate this problem is to have a place to click on to accept places as uploaded without trying to fit them into pre-loaded places. Since I merged a family, I don't know if I can delete this small tree now or not. I hate to leave it for someone else to clean up. --Janiejac 21:27, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I put the modern names in the field so you would have blue links and left the old name so it would read correctly. I'm sorry if this bothers you. It's not a problem to remove them.

When we were doing the place project last year (lots of volunteers put a huge amount of time into it), we picked a time to 'freeze' jurisdictional names each Country. All other jurisdictional names would be listed as alternate names. The committee decided not to use Colony names because it caused too much confusion, too many changing boundaries and changing jurisdictions. Places going from Holland to England, that sort of thing. It was also confusing to name a place "Boston Colony, England." So, for American place names we decided to use the current name. Colonial names are listed as the alternate name. That is why your colony names are red. And that is why I entered the current place names. Your pages will be indexed with the proper location and you can add the colony name as an alternate on the place name if you want.

I would suggest that you try and delete the tree anyway and see if you can. It would work better if you fixed your place names in your genealogy program where you can use the global search and replace. Then reupload it. Hope that helps. :)--sq 22:06, 13 December 2008 (EST)

WeRelate Newbie Question [14 December 2008]

Hi All,

A cousin and I have been talking about working together online and we have been researching various sites to see which would be a good fit for us. It seems that WeRelate has many of the features we would like. I have read through the FAQs on here, but there is a question I have.

Once we upload our family information, is all of it then made available to everyone on WeRelate and the internet? The reason I ask is that we would like initially for just the two of us to work on our family so that we can make sure we have everything sourced and as correct as possible before making it available to everyone else.

Is there a way on WeRelate that we can be the only ones who have access initially?

Thanks,

David--DavidAFrench 11:37, 11 December 2008 (EST)

No. Wiki's are public sites. Once your pages are loaded, they can be searched by other users. It is hoped that this helps you find other cousins to collaborate with. I have heard that there are some sites that help you create your own private wiki. I don't know what they are. You could probably find them by googling.--sq 10:25, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Hi, Thanks for your response. It would be nice if WeRelate had a privacy option available. It seems that it would further help to solve the problem of "junk" genealogy. I think that the other features that WeRelate offer are just what we are looking for. Best Regards, David--DavidAFrench 14:04, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Isn't there an option for special pages that only the user may edit? I suppose, though, that does not apply to uploaded GEDCOMs. jillaine 14:59, 14 December 2008 (EST)

In the meantime, I believe that ancestry.com has a private tree functionality where you have to invite people to it. There are a few other places as well. So you could do your collaborative work elsewhere, then bring it over here when it's ready to go public. jillaine 15:00, 14 December 2008 (EST)

I think that there are sufficiently many options for working privately that creating yet another private working area (i.e. here on WeRelate) would be rather redundant. I am with Solveig (sq) with regard to keeping WeRelate public in its entirety in accordance with the public nature of Wikis as a class of collaborative sites.

Also, there is a distinction between 'private viewing' and 'private editing' and I think that there are some advantages to allowing page protection to reduce the potential for vandalism, but I am not sure what the best balance would be between 'open editing' and 'editing by invitation' would be. That is perhaps a topic for another thread. --ceyockey 15:26, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Central Valley, Shasta, California vs. California's Central Valley [19 December 2008]

Solveg,

Sometime in the past the link for the place Central Valley, California was redirected to Central Valley, Shasta, California. This was an error.

California's Central Valley (the geographic feature) should not be linked to Central Valley, Shasta County, California. The latter designation refers to an unincorporated town that incorporated under the name Shasta Lake in 1993.

The text under Central Valley, California is correct for California's Central Valley, but not for Central Valley, Shasta, California. I thought I added some text to the latter link explaining the difference, but my edit doesn't appear in the page history.

The way things are now a whole bunch of places link to Central Valley, Shasta, California whereas most of them ought to link to Central Valley, California.

I don't know how to dissolve the link between Central Valley, California and Central Valley, Shasta, California. Can you help?

William Whalley (WGW), a former Central Valley, Shasta, California resident.--Wgw 10:23, 14 December 2008 (EST)

I'll second this question. I have wondered for some time where the place-name thesaurus is kept, how it is maintained and what change control is available. Thanks. --ceyockey 12:44, 14 December 2008 (EST)

It looks like the two places got confused when we merged the Getty database with Wikipedia. The easiest thing to do to "unmerge" them was for me to rename Place:Central Valley, Shasta, California, United States to Place:Central Valley, California, United States (and move the getty link from the Central Valley page to the Place:Shasta Lake, Shasta, California, United States page where it belongs). Renaming has the effect of automatically redirecting the existing links to Place:Central Valley, Shasta, California, United States to the place that was intended: Place:Central Valley, California, United States.

I see that you've already added an alternate name of "Central Valley" to Shasta Lake. This is the right thing to do. Alternatively, if we wanted to title the town in Shasta County "Central Valley" with an alternate name of "Shasta Lake", instead of titling it "Shasta Lake" with an alternate name of "Central Valley" as it is now, we'd have to do the following. I'm not saying that we have to title the town "Central Valley"; titling it "Shasta Lake" is just fine; but if we wanted to change the title, here's what we'd have to do:

• We'd have to rename Place:Shasta Lake, Shasta, California, United States to Place:Central Valley, Shasta, California, United States, which will delete the automatic redirect to Place:Central Valley, California, United States. (An administrator needs to do this because it involves deleting an existing page. Just let me know.)
• In general, we'd then have to edit the pages that link to Place:Central Valley, Shasta, California, United States and manually change the links to Place:Central Valley, California, United States since we've deleted the automatic redirect. Luckily, in this case all of the links are from wikipedia templates, which will get updated to point to the correct place the next time I import the text from Wikipedia, which will happen before the end of this year, so we can skip this step.

To answer ceyockey's question, the place-name thesaurus is the 400,000 Place wiki pages. Anyone can change it. We try to keep a pretty close watch on this namespace since changes can affect how well places are matched in uploaded GEDCOM's. For example, now that I've renamed Central Valley, GEDCOM's with "Central Valley, CA" will now link to Place:Central Valley, California, United States. And since "Shasta Lake" has an alternate name of "Central Valley", GEDCOM's with "Shasta Lake, CA" or "Central Valley, Shasta, CA" will link to Place:Shasta Lake, Shasta, California, United States.--Dallan 17:59, 19 December 2008 (EST)

Mittelstadt Image 67 & 68 [19 December 2008]

Solveig, Thanks for the changes. I scanned the original documents that are in my posession on 31 March 2005 (#67 at 6:57 pm and #68 at 6:59 pm). #67 is the original certificate of marriage and #68 is a certification of marriage used by Helen Lindsey Mittelstadt for Social Security. Wouldn't these be in the public domain?--Mittelstedt 19:49, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Probably. It's just that the wikimedia software requires that we choose a license and it doesn't have a "public domain" option. Dallan is going to have to add it sometime. Until then we have to say it "other" and state in the text that it is public domain. You already had the "public domain" note in the text box, so I just fixed the license field. That way the system won't keep pulling it up and asking to specify the type of license. :)--sq 22:18, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Actually, all of the "Image is not under copyright" licenses are various reasons for the image being in the public domain. In this case though, since you're the person who did the scan, I'd probably choose "Own work, all rights released (public domain)".--Dallan 18:09, 19 December 2008 (EST)

John Snow [27 December 2008]

I have some further info on John Snow's ordinance work. Please find me at pprice32@softcom.net Thanks Paul Price--Dixieboy32 16:29, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Thank you. But I am an admin for WeRelate. I help with editing and merging. I'm not related to John Snow. :)--sq 22:19, 27 December 2008 (EST)

How do I note a copyright of public records? [15 January 2009]

I downloaded a copy of the certificate of my grandfather's scattering of ashes. What would the copyright be? I'm assuming it is just public domain. Also the same question about state birth, death and marriage records.

Thank-You Betty-Lu Burton--Betty-lu 16:26, 15 January 2009 (EST)

I selected the "low resolution copy of a historical document." You reduced the number of pixels when you reduced the image. This makes it a low res copy. --sq 17:19, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Special:ReviewMerge/770

I agree. I did a lot of work to narrow the "spouses" of Charlemagne down to only those indicated in wikipedia, and this merge removes a relationship I had tried to preserve.

Of course, there could be scholarship that disagrees with wikipedia, but none of that appears here (and it would be more correct for that debate to occur on wikipedia anyway).

This merge should be backed out.--Jrm03063 14:56, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Special:ReviewMerge/6150

Thanks for inquiring, but I'm afraid I have no intelligence to add. I defer to your analysis.--Jrm03063 15:47, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Special:ReviewMerge11544 [4 February 2009]

The thing the two have in common is that they are both my grandpa :-) He is not living, but one representation of him was uploaded under the name Living Hansen, so I merged it with the properly-named Siegfried Hansen. Sound OK? --JoshHansen 00:36, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks :)

Speedy Delete [6 February 2009]

Hi Solveig!

Thanks for the VERY speedy delete on John Edmiston (5)---that needs to be done, I think, but could you temporarily reverse that? I'd like the original submitter (who I've talked to previously about incorporating his work into the SW Virginia Project, to at least have a chance to comment. Thanks! Q 16:59, 6 February 2009 (EST) --- OK its back--sq 17:02, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Benjamin Sharpe, Jr obit page and photo page (not connected.) [21 February 2009]

Yes, I guess I do need some help. I also entered Benjamin Sharpe's obituary but was not able to link the picture and obit to one page. (Yes, I used to tutorial too. It's me. not the program, I'm sure.) Thanks for the follow-up.

Mary Charlotte Hall

O.k. I am confused...where's the 'send' button. All I know to do at this point is 'save' this message and hope you get it. O.k. I read above to 'save' the page, but that is not what I intuitively feel I should do; I want to Send it to you. Semantics, yes, but it is what we get used to and makes a program user- friendly or not. I really do like the concept of what you're doing here!!!!--MaryCharlotte 18:01, 21 February 2009 (EST)

abandoned GEDCOMs [13 mrt 2009]

Hi, I am helping to clean up the abandoned gedcoms. The feeling is that we may want to delete gedcoms of people who have elected not to recieve email from WeRelate. We can't colaborate with people who do not want to be contacted. You have merged many of the pages from these gedcoms and are not watching those pages. The unwatched pages would be deleted. Would you mind taking a look at WeRelate_talk:Duplicate_review#Unsubscribers_with_a_lot_of_duplicates_.5B24_February_2009.5D and giving us your opinion on these gedcoms. I don't want to do a global delete on a gedcom that is important to you. Thanks. :)--sq 13:43, 24 February 2009 (EST) Retrieved from "http://www.werelate.org/wiki/User_talk:Susan_Irish"

Hi Solveig,

I may be missing something about the goals of WeRelate. Just because a gedcom has been abandoned, that doesn't make the content worthless to future users of WeRelate. I am thinking that WeRelate is a place to build a resource for genealogists who sign on in the future. I did not upload a gedcom because I found a number of my ancestors already uploaded so I have been building upon what is already here and adding from the several resources at my disposal to others trees as well as my own. My "pet peave" is that WeRelate allows multiple uploads of the same gedcom. In early Feb. 2009 one user uploaded their gedcom 4 times. Anyway I will give this topic more thought. --Susan Irish 15:32, 24 February 2009 (EST)

I guess I am trying to start some discussion. This is a community decision. You are right in thinking that WeRelate is a community resource. The problem with these gedcoms is duplication and lack of interest on the part of the uploader. It creates a lot of extra work for people like you who have have been doing a lot of merging. If you would rather keep slogging through it, that's fine. Many of these trees have been downloaded from rootsweb or elsewhere and uploaded to WeRelate and then abandoned. I think it would be easier if there were only a few duplicates to merge, for any person, instead of what we have.

That said, the problem is if we decide to delete the offending trees, all the pages which are only watched by the unloader will be deleted. You have merged many of such pages. I thought we should discuss it. If we, as a group, decide to delete the offending trees and you watch the pages you are interesed in, they won't be deleted. What do you think?--sq 16:03, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Susan makes a great point about use of "abandoned" GEDCOMs. I have a question/suggestion. Is there a way for someone (like Susan) to "adopt" an abandoned GEDCOM? My read of Susan's response is that she ma be interested in aspects of such gedcoms even though she has not marked all pages in it. And adoptive "parent" -- especially of a GEDCOM abandoned by someone who no longer receives emails from werelate -- could then be given read/write permission on that GEDCOM.

I also concur that we should try to find a way to prevent people from uploading the same GEDCOM more than once. Not sure how you all do that technically-- perhaps just a form that people have to click through before uploading that reminds them of how best to prepare a GEDCOM. (Dallan and I started talking about this awhile ago for another purpose.)

-- jillaine 16:58, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks for the opportunity to review some of the GEDCOMs pending delete. I guess I'm of the opinion that my real contributions are the pages that source wikipedia, and my own trees - both of which I'm watching. I suppose I might lose a family page linking person pages here or there, but that seems like it would be an unusual circumstance.

Proceed as you guys think best.--Jrm03063 17:56, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Same here, you may delete these GEDCOMs as you see fit.--CTfrog 16:57, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Slogging is a good term here. Rebeccahill and Corvino3 have a number of people in their gedcoms that intersect with my ancestry. I haven't had an opportunity to check out the other gedcoms. My thought right now is that I would like to see the gedcoms with early New England and New York names preserved for the time being. --Susan Irish 16:42, 27 February 2009 (EST)

Overwhelmingly the folks doing the most of the merging have voted to keep the abandoned gedcoms. I was just suggesting deletion to save people slogging through a bunch of redundant data. Thanks for your input.  :-)--sq 23:42, 28 February 2009 (EST)

Solveig.ged Imported Successfully [13 mrt 2009]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported.

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 09:35, 27 February 2009 (EST)

[1 March 2009]

re:Sarolta Siebenburgen (1) [1 March 2009] (Hi, I'm an admin for WeRelate and its my job to check merges. I was wondering about Special:ReviewMerge/20820 and Special:ReviewMerge/20831. It seems that Sarolta and Unknown Adelajda (2) have nothing in common other than they were married to the same man. Do you have some supporting information for the merge? Perhaps Geza had two wives? Maybe we should unmerge these pages. Please let me know.  :)--sq 00:49, 1 March 2009 (EST))

Hi there! Thank you for your hard work on this! I'm glad you checked this! I made a very bad mess of things when I merged those two together and I spent probably 3 hours undoing that merge (Because I don't know how to undo it after you have navigated away from the page!). Worse, I thought they WERE seperated! Adelaide (Adelajda) `the White' was a Piast of Poland, wife of Michael and an earlier wife of Geza! the problem is that one of the trees associates Judith Arpad (1) to both women, which is where the merge happened (I couldn't find Adelaide at all on Wikipedia or thePeerage... and didn't see her on the other pedigrees until after I had hit the merge button... it was one of my early mistakes before I got a clue) It took me some time to figure out... I'm extremely glad you caught that! I worked so much that day trying to get so many seperate trees merged together that I was chasing disconnects for hours... If you would kindly unmerge her... I'll get that tree back on track. :) Aabh 11:33, 1 March 2009 (EST)

Christopher Huston [13 March 2009]

Hi Solveig

Something went agly in that speedy delete of Christopher Houston's. The reason the card was marked for delete was because it duplicated by a card for a Christopher HUSTON. Same person, but the HUSTON spelling of the name is the one which surviving records apply to this person---even if most descendants used the Houston spelling. In the process ALL of the similarly named persons were also deleted. There are a LOT of Christopher Houston/Huston. In the process ALL of the Christopher Houston/Hustons were deleted. Its possible that there were some incorrect cross linkages and redirects that led from one card to another, resulting in the delete's. Not sure exactly what triggered this, but...

In anycase, please revert the following cards to the condition they were in previously.

Christopher Huston (1) Christopher Huston (2) Christopher Houston (1) Christopher Houston (2)

Thanks! Q 08:06, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

Person:Christopher Houston (1), Person:Christopher Huston (2) and Person:Christopher Huston (1) were restored. However Christopher Houston (2) never existed. Hope this helps :)--sq 23:16, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

User Bettykay Question [14 March 2009]

Hello Solveig,

I need some advice.

I am User DFree, another User Schmelzer interconnect with User Bettykay.

I sent User Bettykay a message some time ago about merging, and there was no response.

It looks like User Bettykay has not contributed since May 14, 2008.

I would be willing to adopt her GEDCOM, clean up the locations, etc.

Especially correct the child, that according to Schmelzer is wrong.

Unfortunately the main source for this family is a book by Leta Olson named "The Prigmores".

It is not available for interlibrary loan, sitting on a shelf in Fort Wayne, IN at the Allen County Library.

I am on the west coast, so it will be a very long time before I can get to Ft Wayne, IN.

What is your suggestion, advice?

Thanks for your time,

Debbie Freeman--DFree 12:59, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

Once a gedcom is uploaded it really doesn't belong to any particular user. You should feel free to edit any page. That is what wikis are about. As far as the book at ACPL, contact User:Jstump she lived in Fort Wayne and may be able to direct you to someone who could look something up. Thanks for contributing to the WeRelate community.  :)--sq 18:38, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

Hello Solveig,

Thank You for your response. I will begin to correct the locations, etc on the Bettykay GEDCOM.

I will contact User:Jstump and see what she can advice.

I tried once to volunteer for Werelate, and could not sign in to volunteer, ie make it work.

I will use my time, since for the life of me I can't figure out how to volunteer for Werelate.

I do not have a keyboard key with the straight line that looks like a # 1 so assume it it some fancy computer code.

Debbie Freeman --DFree 20:39, 11 March 2009 (EDT

The bar is shift backward slash ("\") on my keyboard. It's just above my enter key. It may be in a different place on yours. How would you like to help out at WeRelate. We still have some items on the source project to work on and will be going over all the help pages as soon as Dallan is done with the new gedcom upload/download/merge function--sometime next week. Most of the help pages are out of date. Someone needs to read through them and click on all the links, follow all the instructions and update them. We need to reorganize the FAQ to be more navigatable. You volunteer on WeRelate by contacting me and recording your time on the volunteer log off the Admin menu. Thanks, --sq 21:45, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

Hello Solveig,

Thank you for your response. No wonder I could not find the right key.

Yes I am willing to help. I will volunteer for Werelate.

Do I contact you to volunteer only once? ie my name is put on a list?

Or do I contact you every time I volunteer for Werelate?

Debbie Freeman --DFree 22:03, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

Hi, I'll check on the stuff that needs doing and get back to you next week. Thanks for offering. We always need more help.--sq 00:40, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Locking pages [17 March 2009]

Solveig, Some time ago (Dec.)we discussed a particular page http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Elinor_Unknown_(32) Her maiden name is unknown, but there is wide spread belief that is was either Lockwood or Disbrow, neither of which can be substantiated. I thought we had locked this page but yesterday it was changed again by a new user "delijim". I left him a message, but have gotten no response.--Scot 14:06, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

We don't usually lock wiki pages. The purpose of a wiki is for everyone to put in what they know. There generally isn't a problem wtih listing alternate opinions. If your information is substantiated, the other information will be considered as only an opinion anyway. You can check the history and see if anything important was removed and restore it. Hope this helps. :)

deleting a gedcom put into another tree? [21 March 2009]

Can you delete a gedcom I just uploaded and am unhappy with? If I had uploaded it as a separate tree I could delete it from my manage trees window - but I uploaded it into another tree of mine. I don't want to delete the earlier tree; just the gedcom I uploaded today. The name of it is Willis from Phil.ged: 16 Mar 2009.

I put it in a tree called Study_Samuel_Vashti or something similar to that. That part is good, but this Willis from Phil has got too many problems to deal with. I'd rather fix them and start over if it is possible to delete this last upload. --Janiejac 12:38, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Nevermind, you must be busy. I'll go ahead and fix it. I like all those nice number ones anyway. --Janiejac 20:45, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Hi, So, here's the scoop. Unfortunately there is no easy way to do this. The pages will need to be deleted individually. Because of this problem, it will soon be impossible to upload multiple gedcoms into the same tree. If you would like to get a list of the pages in that tree, here are the instructions:

1. Select trees from the MyRelate menu.
2. Click view for the tree in question.
3. Now this is important, you will see a search screen. Click on exact matches only this will give you sort options.
4. click on sort by date modified.

You now have a list of the pages sorted by date.

Hope this helps.  :)--sq 20:56, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Hi, I've been uploading small charts to learn; this is the first time I've uploaded a chart INTO a prior tree. Since these folks should eventually connect, I thought that would keep me from having so many trees. But now I see the problem it can cause. On the other hand . . . we are asked to divide our chart up into smaller segments and if I don't put them all into one tree, I'm going to have a very large number of trees. In time, it will be hard to remember in which tree a person is located. I'm wondering if that will cause me a problem.

You can connect one tree with the other by adding the connecting people to your main tree.

The reason I was unhappy with today's upload: I was uploading a friend's chart. I cleaned it up as best I could, but after it was uploaded I realized he had created this chart from his ancestry.com chart and the census info was a mess on the person pages in the Notes section. I went in to each person page and cleaned up those notes. When I cleaned up his file, I had also removed all his census sources thinking I was removing all that census 'garbage' in the Notes. Didn't happen. (I will be putting the census citations back in without the garbage.) But this sure is a problem for anyone trying to use info from their ancestry.com data.

I am not understanding here. Is this a problem with Ancestry or WeRelate?

Hopefully once we add the ability to edit pages during the GEDCOM upload process that will help.

When editing the person pages, he had some unnecessary info that didn't tie to anything, so I wanted to remove that data. Sometimes, but not always (?) when I clicked on remove, it asked me if I was sure I wanted to navigate away from that page. The first time I saw it, I was leery to do that, but it really didn't put me away from that page. So it is giving the wrong msg when you click on remove. I also got the same msg when I wanted to add an alternative name. This was not consistant, so I don't know what causes this. A msg there is OK, but should not say that I am navigating away from the page. Is there a 'bug report' page somewhere that something like this should be posted?

I'll tell Dallan. You can report bugs to me or Dallan. Thanks :)

Thank-you for letting me know. I believe this has been fixed on the Sandbox site now. I'll move the fix over to this site mid-next week.--Dallan 02:48, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for your response and reading all this! Wiki is sure a learning curve for me. I'm hoping the idea of a forum takes off. Should be a good place to be able to find where other folks have asked questions and found answers and would leave the watercooler free for larger, longer discussions. --Janiejac 23:11, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

thanks for all your comments.  :)--sq 15:48, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

Special Merge info on Martha (Nisbit) Pickens/Clark/Falls [21 March 2009]

Hi SQ, the merge is for the same person. Martha Nisbit married three times: Israel Pickens (1), John Clark (222) and John Falls (1).

Here are a few sites listing her marriage:

http://www.brazoriaroots.com/p6323.htm (her marriage to Israel Pickens abt. 1728)

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3252011&id=I49449 (detailing her marriage to John Clark, abt. 1755, as widow of Israel Pickens)

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=p1base&id=I75 (detailing her marriage to John Falls in Aug. 1761, listing her two previous marriages). On some websites, Martha is listed as "Martha Clark", which is the name listed in Mecklenburg, NC records (her married name after her second marriage), similar to how it was listed before the merge.

If you disagree with this rationale, let me know.

Thanks and best regards,

Jim--Delijim 01:17, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

Jim,

Your response more accurately belongs on the talk page of Martha where Solveig posted her initial question because the information pertains to that person. And can then be responded to by those watching that page and most familiar with the information about Martha. Related, the "sources" you post above should also be cited over on Martha's page. That said, they're not very strong sources-- they post conjecture without backup. But again, this discussion belongs over at Martha's talk page. Best of luck to you. -- jillaine 08:47, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

newobama.ged Imported Successfully [23 March 2009]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported.

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 14:02, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

can't find help page for categories [26 March 2009]

My categories are all coming up red. I can't find any help pages to learn what to do to fix this. I also want to know if there should be a comma between county and state on a category.

If you want the links to be blue, you need to edit the category page and put something in the text box.--sq 00:14, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

If I add a category tag and use it on several pages and later decide it should be written another way (like removing that comma if I shouldn't have put it there), can the category itself be edited without having to change it on every page where it shows up?

No. You will have to change the category name on every page.--sq 00:14, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

Also, if I use category 'Jackson in Prince William, Virginia' should I also use 'Jackson in Virginia'?

I would use the larger jurisdiction, people leaving in Prince William probably have relatives in nearby towns. You could, however, put your pages in both categories. Categories are like indexes.

Do I have to add United States at the end of these categories? Seems to make them too long and looks cluttered.

No, not unless you want to. There may be some instances when its necessary. For instance, if you had a category for Boston, Georgia.--sq 00:14, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

So I'm full of questions and find no answers in Help. Can you direct me to something I'm missing? I can't write it because I sure don't know the answers. --Janiejac 11:43, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

You can just ask me. We will be redoing the help pages when the new software is up and running in a few weeks. But, the rewrite of the help pages is likely to take all summer. I would appreciate knowing what help pages are confusing or inadequate. After the new system is up, I could use someone to go through the help pages and click on all the buttons and follow all the instructions and let me what works and what doesn't. We are almost out of Beta--yah! :) --sq 00:14, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

How to add subpages [4 April 2009]

I need to create a subpage for a person, but have not figured out how to do it. Help contains the following: "To create subpage, simply add a page in the chosen namespace using the name of the parent page followed by a slash followed by the name of the subpage." I have tried:

• Using the add menu - this brings up a new person (not what was intended)
• Inserting a link into the box while in edit. - this does take me to a new page but it has an error saying it needs an id number. I have tried many ways to enter the title/subpagename without success.

Here's what seems like it should work using hints from the help files:

Person:John Taylor (435)/Obit

This does indeed create a link to a new page. When I edit the new page, I get a message:

• "The page title does not have an ID; please create a page with an ID using Add page"

Please tell me how to properly format the link so that a new page is created as a subpage for the existing person.

I'll be happy to edit help to add this info once you help me figure it out.

--Jlanoux 08:55, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for reporting the bug. I don't think anyone has tried to creat a subpage in this name space before. The protocol works for articles. If you want to continue before the bug gets fixed, create an article and link to it. Several people have created articles when they have lots of stuff.  :)--sq 20:39, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Welcome - heads up [12 April 2009]

Hello Solveig,

I hope you have a nice and enjoyable Easter.

I hope what I did has not created a problem. I thought about it after I did it. I went back quite a ways on the New Users list. I found a couple of Red Talk's so went ahead and Welcomed them.

Debbie Freeman --DFree 01:32, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

That's great, thanks for all your hard work.--sq 09:58, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Hi, Solveig [13 April 2009]

Hi, Solveig.

I am the newest genealogy reference librarian at the Allen County Public Library, your WeRelate partner. It's a job I held previously but left in 1996 when I was expecting my second child. You have an interesting first name and I was interested in its history.

Dawne Slater-Putt--Dawne 16:12, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Hi, Solveig is a scandinavian name. It wroughly translates to "Sun Road" or way of the sun.

--sq 16:51, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

testwithnotesandrelatives.ged appears to overlap a previously-imported GEDCOM [15 April 2009]

The pages from this GEDCOM have not yet been generated because they appear to match pages from a GEDCOM you have previously imported to WeRelate.

If you have already imported a GEDCOM containing people in this GEDCOM and you want to replace that tree with this GEDCOM, you need to delete that tree first so duplicates aren't created when you import this GEDCOM. Click on Trees in the "My Relate" menu, then click on the "delete" link next to that tree. Please be aware that any pages in the tree that are being watched by others won't get deleted. Once that tree is deleted you can create a new tree and re-upload this GEDCOM into it. (We're planning to make re-uploading GEDCOM files much simpler soon.)

If you don't think you have already imported a GEDCOM containing people in this GEDCOM, or if the two GEDCOM's don't overlap that much, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org and we'll go ahead with the import.

--WeRelate agent 09:27, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

TOTALLY COOL! jillaine 09:16, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Yah! Wait till you see the export and reupload. We are almost there!!!! :)--sq 11:01, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Perkins Twp [17 April 2009]

Hi,

Only problem is that the place of death is not Perkins, Erie, Ohio, United States, it's actually...

Perkins Twp, Erie, Ohio, United States. There is no city, town, village of Perkins in Erie County. Thanks Neal--Neal Gardner 12:59, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Our Place:Perkins, Erie, Ohio, United States says that it is now abandoned. It is possible that there were 2 Perkins townships in Erie County. We drop the "township" designation on all places where it is not required to differienciate between 2 places with the same name in the same county. So ... if your Perkins is different from the one already in the system, let me know and I will reinstate the page. Sorry for the problem.  :)--sq 13:22, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Perkins Twp [17 April 2009]

Thanks Solveig.

As you can tell, I'm new here, but anxious to get my lines up, since I had all of my genealogy (PC and hard files) stolen about a year ago. I'm not aware that there were ever two locations designated "Perkins" other than a Perkins Park in downtown Sandusky (I was born there. I used to have a detailed map of the progressive shaping of Erie Co. and others in Ohio, but.....

I truly appreciate the input. I'm a Certified Genealogist with a library background, so I am a "stickler" for accuracy. I can see that I relate to many of the contributors here, since most of my lines go back to CT/MA/RI having early settlers here in the Connecticut Western Reserve in Ohio.

Hope I can contribute my share. Neal Gardner--Neal Gardner 14:26, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Welcome! Its great to have people who care about getting it right. See you around. :)--sq 14:36, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Speedy Delete [27 April 2009]

Hello Solveig, I directed User:Mksmith to use Speedy Delete. Is there any reason that it can't be used for redirects? It's really nice not to clog up the drop-downs with mistaken redirects...--Jennifer (JBS66) 16:49, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

I didn't check it, I just assumed that he still had pages linked to the old page title. If he has used the new name in his links, I will delete the pages. Just let me know.  :)--sq 16:52, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

No links going to them... I went ahead and deleted them (I think there were just 2?) Thanks,--Jennifer (JBS66) 16:55, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

thanks--sq 16:56, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for telling me where it was! I knew it could be done but couldn't remember where to find the delete button. --Janiejac 09:41, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

User:Csra colleges offering nursing programs [22 April 2009]

Hello Solveig,

I wanted to pass on this one. I just sent them a Welcome. I wonder about this one. Maybe you want to send them a message? Debbie Freeman --DFree 12:30, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Thanks, the user has been deleted. --sq 21:55, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Hello Solveig, I could be wrong. The User you deleted "User:Csra colleges offering nursing programs" might be back as this User Zzz250. Debbie Freeman --DFree 20:43, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

I'll send you an email.--sq 21:09, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Place page problem: Holland [28 April 2009]

There is a place page for "Holland" that has a redirect to Holland, England. History shows it was done by WeRelate agent. I think something's run amok.--Judy (jlanoux) 19:51, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Evidently, the region originally had 12 regions before it unified and became the Netherlands. North and South Holland were 2 of the twelve. I agree that Place:Holland should redirect to Netherlands and not to Holland, England. I'll fix it. Thanks for pointing it out.

New Member [13 May 2009]

Thanks, for your message. I was delighted to find the web sight and it has helped me answer many questions about my family. I wanted to get something started on the family tree and will be filling in the virtual infromation confirmed with my family. More recent family history on the Seegers family is limited and I hope to catch it up.--Kseegers 09:38, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

Boone family [13 May 2009]

Hi Solveig, I am attempting to merge the Boone family pages and I noticed that you are a descendant. Maybe one day you will find the time to write a sourced family history of Daniel Boone because I cannot find one on the Worldwide Web or on WeRelate. Anyway the problem with merging the pages is that one user has uploaded a page Person:George Boone (35) and unfortunately this George Boone is the spouse and son of the same family. Would you like to merge these pages or just fix the one with the impossible circumstances? Thanks. --Beth 18:36, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

Problem Source [14 May 2009]

Source:The Drone Family Genealogy This source page contains only a URL which is a link to a commercial advertising site. I was tempted to delete it but thought I'd better consult you first. --Judy (jlanoux) 07:37, 14 May 2009 (EDT)

Thanks, I deleted it.--sq 14:58, 14 May 2009 (EDT)

Obvious Living & Died recently [15 May 2009]

Hello Solveig,

I came across a User who seems long gone. It looks like they uploaded a messy GEDCOM, and thats it. I am in the process of cleaning up the pages. It brought up a question though. My question is on the recently deceased people pages. Do we have a cut off date for the recently deceased people pages. They could easily have a spouse still living. Maybe a cut off date of death as 1980? Also maybe instead of deleting the page we edit the death date, and add a source like the SSDI as confirmation of death? I would also like to do the speedy delete on the obviously living people pages. What do you think?

Debbie Freeman --DFree 20:33, 14 May 2009 (EDT)

As a "newbie" one small comment or perhaps concern. My mother is recently deceased (2008) and my father in 2001. In their honor I have placed them here, so the 1980 "cut-off" would affect them adversely. I have to assume that their info would not be emended, since neither of them had other spouses. Also I have created 2 of my living siblings and their spouses ie "Living _____" w/o info, so that I can include the spouses' deceased ancestors. Any problem there ? Neal--Neal Gardner 12:50, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

For now anyone can add living pages without vital data and without given names. However, it is very likely that we will eliminate living pages sometime in the future. There are just too many people publishing living data. We may need to make some accommodation for living bridge people. That is, it may be necessary to leave a living link between deceased grandchildren and deceased grandparents. It isn't unusual for living people to have dead descendants.  :)--sq 23:15, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

Complaint by Scrapscot [11 June 2009]

Hi Solveig, I had a complaint from User:Scrapscot and responded but have not heard back. Thought you might like to talk with this user. --Beth 09:10, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Sure, thanks for letting me know. --sq 08:37, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

junexport.ged Ready for Review [16 June 2009]

Welcome to WeRelate! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded your GEDCOM, your next step is to preview what your pages will look like and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. When you have finished your review, your GEDCOM will be imported. Click here to review your GEDCOM.

--WeRelate agent 18:33, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

Thank You Solveig [18 June 2009]

Hello Solveig,

Thanks for your help I wasn't sure what the current advice would be. --DFree 20:29, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

User:Wrgedcom [22 June 2009]

Hello Solveig,

I accidentally came across this User's Talk Page. It looks like they might need a little help. I Welcomed them, even though they have been around since about 2007.

Thanks Debbie Freeman --DFree 14:11, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Thanks, I take care of it. --sq 14:47, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Christopher Addison [3 July 2009]

Dear Solveig,

The entry that says Christopjer Addison should be deleted, I created in error and misspelled as well.

Thank you, Ann--Kmpsmom 07:29, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

Hello Ann, I deleted the page. Thanks for getting back to me. --sq 19:09, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

Daniell Throop and his three wives [8 July 2009]

--Loulehmann 00:29, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

Daniel Throop and his three wives [8 July 2009]

Hello, Yes, The Daniel Throop who married Deborah Marcey in 1697 is the same one who married Dorcas Barney in 1689 and Deborah Church in 1712. Somehow I missed matching them during my review. I'm not sure how to go back and do it now after I have already imported.--Loulehmann 00:32, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

Solveig

Thank you for all your helpful feedback. Regretfully I'm finding the WeRelate process a bit too problematic as the following message to Scot will illustrate. Good luck to everybody at WeRelate. It is a very good concept and a good way to collaborate. The merging/matching process may need some tweaking.

Lou Lehmann

Scott,

I've reviewed all of your messages. I think some serious problems are arising from merging. None of the problems you mentioned correspond to the material in the tree which I originally uploaded. Unless there is some system problem, I'm guessing that I didn't scrutinize material enough to notice the errors in other trees - although I must wonder why those errors in the other trees weren't caught during the import process. For the record, I did not use and did not upload any of the following three sources noted in this dialogue: ...."From: Ancestors of Douglas Christian LUSTY http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lustypetersen/d5705.htm ", "From: Family Trees - Throop. monica@odi.ca <monica@odi.ca> ", "S1. New York Genealogical & Biographical Society, "The Record", 36/123, Jan 1905 1 ". Nor did I submit any birthdate at all for Lydia Wills. Of course a 1618 birthdate is absurd but it did not originate with me. Nor did I use any Ancestral Files or World Family Trees as sources. I am puzzled by your allegation that I did not use The "Chapman Genealogy" as a source for the family of Ralph Chapman and Lydia Wills. Here is a copy of my notes about Ralph Chapman. Please note that the last two items are referenced to The Chapman Genealogy, which is also listed in my sources along with "Thirty-one English Emigrants Who Came to New England by 1662" and "Genealogical notes of Barnstable Families"

"Ralph Chapman became a ship carpenter and moved to Southwark, Surrey, across the river from London. On the 13th of April 1635 he sailed on the 'Elizabeth de Lo' (Elizabeth of London) for Massachusetts. His age on the list of passengers was 20 years, which is not quite right according to the date of baptism in the church register. All those sailing from Southwark 'brought cert: from the Minister of St. Saviors Southwark of their conformitie' Ralph settled first in Duxbury and continued his trade as a ship carpenter there. He bought land the 8th of October 1639 and again in 1645. He married in Marshield the 23rd of November 1642 Lydia Wells/Willis who was in all probability the daughter of Isaac and Margaret Wells of Marshfield. She is almost surely the Lydia Wells who came to New England in 1634, apparently as a servant to William Hatch. Her period of servitude would, most likely, have ended in 1641. Isaac and Margaret Wells later moved to Barnstable, Ralph and Lydia Chapman remained in Marshfield.......Ralph Chapman made his willl the 28th of November 1671 and as he did not mention his wife, we can assume that Lydia Chapman died before that date. The will was 'exhibted to the court held att Plymouth 4 June 1672.. .He had a long terminal illness and was unable to sign his will because 'of weakness of body and lamness and swelling of his hands..' " From: "Thirty-one English Emigrants Who Came to New England by 1662" by Dorothy C. and Gerald E. Knoff Gateway Press 1989 pages 52-56

Ralph Champan appeared before the General Court at New Plymouth (4 March 1651) for striking Herman Haddon.. (The Chapman Genealogy by John Harvey Chapman - p. 9)

Ralph Chapman's will was not signed - causing the Court to question his capacities. Witnesses testified that his body and and hands were too swollen to hold a pen or antything else. (The Chapman Genealogy by John Harvey Chapman - p. 12-13)

   I really do appreciate all of the reviews by you folks at WeRelate and I do think that the Wiki concept is a very good one.   I guess I didn't realize how very accountable I would be for someone else's mistakes if I missed them during the review and matching process.  (I still wonder how those trees got imported with the errors which were were attributed to me, appahttp://www.werelate.org/w/skins/common/images/button_sig.pngrently as a result of the merging). I think all this is getting to be a bit too much for me so I will just take my tree off of WeRelate.   But I do want to express my thanks for all the very helpful feedback I received during this process.   I certainly don't regret it as the whole experience has helped me to clean up my notes and sources.  Please share my appreciation to everybody who was so helpful and patient during my time with WeRelate.  (I'll send a copy of this to a few of them)

Lou Lehmann--Loulehmann 18:22, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

Image licenses Ancestry vs. snippet (Remeschatus) [9 July 2009]

Thanks for updating [[Image:Remeschatus.jpg]]. I had actually uploaded a second copy of the same image [[Image:Remeschatus800.jpg]] to make it lower resolution (so it fit better on the Surname:Remeschatis page). So I updated the license for [[Image:Remeschatus800.jpg]] as well, and it would be ok to delete [[Image:Remeschatus.jpg]]. if you would like. (I thought I had marked it for speedy delete?)

I do have a question about Ancestry licenses, and I'm posting it to the Help talk:Images page. Would you take a look at it and see if you can help me clarify what I can or can't do? Thanks! -Brenda --kennebec1 12:01, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

Merge Review [22 July 2009]

Not sure how much help I was. Very few merges by anyone that isn't part of the standard cast. During the entire time I reversed just one - which was a family that I've been watching for a while anyway. Just finished my last skim over the log. --Jrm03063 22:10, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Thanks. All these little things add up to a lot of time.

Family namespace [22 July 2009]

There appear to be about a half dozen new users in the last couple of weeks. No problems noted.--Scot 10:35, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for helping out. I really appreciate it. --sq 12:04, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

Source namespace [23 July 2009]

Hello Solveig, I hope you had a wonderful vacation! I worked on tying up a few loose ends this morning, otherwise the namespace has had relatively few additions by new users. I do have a question on Source:1900 Census Va Botetourt. Obviously, this does not meet our naming convention, but this page was created by a GEDCOM uploader who has not even completed the process. Not sure how you handle these, since the person is not even actively using the site yet. Regarding monitoring the source namespace, I am going to need to decline.--Jennifer (JBS66) 06:48, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

User Kaela confusion [24 July 2009]

Hello Sloveig,

I hope you enjoyed your vacation. I wanted to bring to your attention my small confusion. You might need to deal with it tomorrow. My fault, and I tried to clean it up some. User Kaela (as of now) has not made a User Page. At a quick glance I thought they had confused the Talk page with the User page. On a closer look it might be that a cousin or fellow researcher (unknown) who could be another WeRelate user, or some else left them a message. Debbie Freeman --DFree 00:52, 24 July 2009 (EDT)

Thanks, I'll take care it. Thanks for watching things and being so reliable. It really helps to have other people do things like welcoming. Sometimes all the little things add up to 3-4 hours. Thanks again, --sq 13:01, 24 July 2009 (EDT)

Gedcom Review Process--Question [28 July 2009]

Hi, I'm a new user of WeRelate. I uploaded a gedcom file today, and if I am understanding the process correctly, now that I have reviewed and imported it, I must wait for it to have an administrative review.

I see under the gedcom tab that it is awaiting administrative review.

Do I get an email message when it has been reviewed? I am interested in starting the process of editing each person and family page in the file, and will appreciate information about how I know the review process has been completed.

Thanks.--Wdlindsy 13:37, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

Hi Wdlindsy, Yes you will get an email when the pages are loaded. Welcome to WeRelate. --sq 16:12, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

Thanks so much, Solveig.--Wdlindsy 09:07, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

Gedcom problem [30 July 2009]

I tried to send an email to Cox-Boshart, new user who uploaded ‎family tree.ged on July 19. The system says he has no email or it is blocked. I can't tell which. His file contains a lot of family matches so we can't import it if he won't process it. How do you usually handle this type of problem?

--Judy (jlanoux) 16:31, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

I just leave them a message on their talk pages. It's the best we can do. If they don't respond delete the gedcom. Thanks so much for doing this. I really appreciate it.  :) --sq 17:45, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

How can I help? [4 August 2009]

Hello Solveig,

User DFree here. I noticed you are redoing the Welcomes tonight. It looks like it is a e-mail server problem. Sorry to hear that. Hopefully it is easily fixed. What would you prefer me to do tomorrow about the WeRelate Welcomes? Thanks Debbie Freeman --DFree 23:26, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

I tried to add three creek names for Lee County VA, but failed.--Fred Weyler 08:50, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

Hi, to add a new place, Click on the add menu item and select place. Enter the name of the city, town, settlement (without the word town, city, township, etc.) in the first field. Enter county name (without the word "County"), comma, state, United States, ie. Place:Shoreview, Ramsey, Minnesota, United States. Click on add page. If you have any questions or comments, please leave me a message. --sq 18:52, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

Patroling recent changes [7 August 2009]

Hi Solveig, I have a suggestion to at least cut down on the number of recent changes that need to be patroled. All of the administrators receive emails advising them of changes to watched pages. We could mark that page as patroled when we view the recent change. --Beth 18:17, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

Hi Beth, It would certainly be easier ... but, if you go to the changed page from the email notice, the page won't include the patrol link. The only way to get a patrol link is to go through the recent changes list. It's not something we can change. Thanks for all your help. I really appreciate your efforts. :) --sq 21:29, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

I see that it is not. It must be when I select recent changes from my dashboard. The patrol link is on these pages. Sorry for the confusion.--Beth 21:34, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

Page editing [11 August 2009]

I understand that information on We Relate is for non-living people, and as you can see, I am very much alive. I DO NOT WANT any of my personal information in the Internet, in any shape or form. I tried to remove the pages, but the Help section wasn't much help.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at janb01_1999@yahoo.com or thehellerkids@yahoo.com.

Jan Heller

Jan, where are you finding information about yourself here? jillaine 09:58, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

I think I deleted all of them. Jan could you please check the offending pages and let me just put {{Speedy Delete}} on its own line under any text in the text box. Thanks, --sq 11:49, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

need override GEDCOM upload [31 August 2009]

Hi Solveig, Is Dallan really, really busy or away? I've been trying to get an override of my GEDCOM upload for several days (see his talk page). Can you fix it so I can get my file 'John Jackson of Loudoun VA' uploaded. It says that it is material that is already uploaded but I don't see where. I'll exclude or merge any dupes. --Janiejac 10:41, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

We've been on vacation--well dropping our son off at college. Not much of a vacation. I can't find the problem. I'll send the message to Dallan. Thanks, --sq 19:16, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

Hi, Sorry for the delay. I just sent it through. We're in the middle of a source renaming project; there have been 700 edits to the talk page during the past week and a half. Between that and dropping Taylor off at college I've gotten behind. But I'm catching up now.--Dallan 23:31, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

Further questions from user [8 September 2009]

Hi Solveig,

How about answering this question from this user? You replied to her on my talk page the last time. The question is under the first topic on my talk page; Duplicate Review Project. --Beth 17:01, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

I deleted my tree last week, how are you still merging pages. This means that WeRelate has kept the info, it should have all been deleted. I cannot believe that Allen Co. Public library is a part of stealing information.--SharC 16:38, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

I've been following this and one thing that's confusing is that as far as I could tell, the "tree" that this person had online had only one person in it. So I'm not sure what they mean... jillaine 17:13, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

Well, I couldn't find anything the other day either, but looks like Jrich discovered that she has 2 user names and her trees are under the other name and I see no record of any deletion. See my talk page.

But the events with this person and the user from England; lead me to believe that we need to post more prominently that when you upload "your tree" it is then a part of the WeRelate Community and may be edited freely by another user. I am tired of emails asking why I am messing with "their" tree? I don't mind the questions like are we related or such. The merge project is nearing an end; so after that hopefully the emails will be regarding someone who is related. I can't merge any more today because I created so many emails WeRelate was about to go over its limit. --Beth 17:49, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

Will I ever be happy when the merge project is behind us. Beth is doing a terrific job merging the duplicates. Is Jrich discovered, this user is registered as both User:SharC and also as User:SharCraig, where she has a 5000-person tree.

I just added a paragraph to the change-notification email that gets sent out telling people about the merge project and modified the merge project homepage to explain what it's all about, so hopefully that will help.

I looked into emphasizing the community nature of the tree on the text of the GEDCOM import page, but it already looks pretty good to me. If anyone has ideas for making it better, please do so. (You have to be an admin to edit that page, so if you're not, just leave comments on the talk page and I'll incorporate them.) Part of the problem is that the text of the GEDCOM import page before July 2008 talked about the community license but didn't do a good job emphasizing the community nature of the whole website, so people uploading before that time probably didn't understand it. I'm not sure how to address that problem. Beth unfortunately bears the brunt of it.--Dallan 00:16, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

I edited the media wiki text for uploading; hope it's helpful.

Thanks!--Dallan 12:15, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

SharCraig's gedcom is still online. While it might be dismaying to lose 5,000 people, a spotcheck of her work shows that she included no source information, so it may not be a loss after all.

-- jillaine 10:02, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

SharCraig said she removed her trees and wanted to know how to get off WeRelate. I told her to remove her email address and select no emails. I also deleted her user pages for her. What about her user talk pages? I don't really know how to unsubscribe from WeRelate. What is the procedure? --Beth 00:18, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

Removing the user page and email will keep her from being contacted by WeRelate users. She has no pages. So, I think that covers it. --sq 23:41, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

In the future, please send me an email if someone wants to remove their account. I have a process that I can use to remove them.--Dallan 14:12, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

OK, thanks. --Beth 16:46, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

Hello from DFree [18 September 2009]

Hello Solveig,

How are you doing? I am doing OK. Surviving summer so far. Lately I have had some genealogy luck. New families!! I received some Nebraska death certificates. Whole new families to research. More sources, etc on known families. Thank Goodness for Google Books!! Trying to keep up with the Welcoming. I am doing pretty good I think on that. Every once and a while someone starts off before I can Welcome them. Debbie Freeman --DFree 19:24, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

Solveig wrote on my User Page:

Haven't touched base with you in a while. Hope you are well and everything is going alright. I really appreciate your doing the welcoming.

Thanks again, sq--sq 21:26, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

GNU references on Help pages [21 September 2009]

The FAQ page still references the GNU license. I don't feel competent to discuss license issues. We possibly have other pages needing update from the license change. --Judy (jlanoux) 13:36, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for letting me know. Dallan will take a look at it. ----sq 12:13, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

Catherine Leslie - duplicate families [20 September 2009]

I see you are a watcher on Person:Catherine Leslie (2) She has two parent families which put them on the duplicate list I'm working. Normally I would merge them assuming the father and mother somehow got separated on upload. But the parents of the Father and the Mother look suspiciously similar. If you know this family would you take a look? --Judy (jlanoux) 22:40, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

I'm not sure why I am watching this page :-) The pages came in this way from a single GEDCOM upload, from someone who uploaded their gedcom in 2007 and hasn't been back. I agree that the parents of both father and mother look suspiciously similar. I'd leave them alone under the general rule of "when in doubt, don't merge".--sq 12:12, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

Citing Ancestry as the "Author" [22 September 2009]

Solveig

You've just redirected a source to

Source:Ancestry.com - Historical notes from the records of Augusta County, Virginia

In what way is "Ancestry.com" the author of this work?

Q 10:20, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

I can answer this!

Bill, all the Ancestry.com source page titles are getting changed very very soon. The result will be "Author. Title." Soon, this particular source will be renamed:

Kemper, Charles Edward. Historical notes from the records of Augusta County.

I assume that this redirect you've seen is part of the de-duping that is going on leading up to the renaming.

So, don't worry, be happy. jillaine 10:30, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

The only duplicate I can see is the one just created which is incorrectly formatted. See

Source:Ancestry.com - Historical notes from the records of Augusta County, Virginia which is the current version, versus

Source:Kemper, Charles Edward. Historical notes from the records of Augusta County, Virginia from which it was redirected. Q 10:40, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

The renaming project is making runs in phases. I think what's happening now is the merging of the few remaining duplicates. Then in a few days the rename of the page titles will begin. It will wind up with the correct name. The Person pages will be updated after that to refresh the links to the new titles. It's going to take several weeks for things to settle down to their final form. There's over a million sources so they will be run in smaller batches. --Judy (jlanoux) 10:58, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

What is the logic that requires a correctly named source page to be retitled to something that is incorrect by any measure. There are no duplications involved, except for the one just created. Q 11:04, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Explanation needed [22 September 2009]

Solveig, you just changed

Source:National Society of Colonial Dames in Delaware. A Calendar of Delaware wills, New Castle County, 1682-1800

To Source:Ancestry.com - Calendar of Delaware Wills, New Castle County, 1682-1800

Why? The explanations above by Jillaine and jilanoux did not answer the question. Above. Have you decided that the correct author for these works is Ancestry, or is there some other explanation. Q 12:43, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Bill, unfortunately, you're getting caught up in a larger machine that is not set up to handle exceptions well.

When there are dupes of sources that include Ancestry.com entries, the policy is to merge into the Ancestry.com copy which -- in most cases -- has more accurate information than the LDS/FHL versions. Your situation was clearly an exception.

I concur with Judy: it's going to be messy for a few weeks until the process is complete. I *thought* that there had been a suggested moratorium on new sources until all this was done, but maybe that wasn't made explicit and strongly enough. jillaine 13:15, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

I wrote this at the same time as Jillaine: We are merging duplicate source pages. Ancestry tends to have the publication information more correct than the FHLC, so we're merging repository information from the duplicate sources into the Ancestry source. If you want to correct the author or title of the source, please do so on the Ancestry source page. When the sources are renamed (starting tomorrow), the new page title for book sources will use the author. title format based upon the information in the author and title fields of the source page as of early tomorrow morning. There are thousands of duplicate of sources that must be merged before the renaming can begin. The decision to use the Ancestry source as the default title may be wrong, but it's just temporary and the fact that the Ancestry source usually has the best publication information makes it a good choice for the merge target overall. After the renaming is complete we'll automatically fix up double-redirects and delete unused redirects, so in general the Ancestry.com page titles will disappear. Again, this is a temporary situation to help us tackle a huge job: renaming nearly one million sources and merging several thousand of them.--sq 13:26, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Thank You! Q 15:35, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

History of Kalamazoo County, Michigan [23 September 2009]

I noticed you redirected History of Kalamazoo County, Michigan to John Rogers of Marshfield and some of his descendants. I don't think those two books are related in any way, and I see no way I can revert the Kalamazoo source page to a previous version. If this is an admin only option, would you please revert the page back to [version] or direct me to where I may do it myself. Thanks. --dayna 08:35, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

Oops, you're right -- thanks for catching this. I've redirected Source:History of Kalamazoo County, Michigan : with illustrations and biographical sketches of its prominent men and pioneers to the correct page now.--sq 22:55, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

Ashley Family Connection [1 October 2009]

Solveig~

I noticed that you made some changes to a few of my pages fro Alice Ashley, James Harvey Ashley and Myrtle Mae Crump. If there are relations of your please contact me as they are my grandmother and great grandparents and I would love to talk with you.

Thanks,

Terri Rehmann--Treh6 15:08, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, no relation. I am a volunteer admin. I am helping with merging the duplicate pages. --sq 07:00, 2 October 2009 (EDT)

Two entries for Martin Bartolf and Margaretha Wagner [5 October 2009]

Thanks for pointing this out. I've deleted the alternates and have also made corrections on my database in my computer. I have so many Bartolfs (grandmother's side) and Wagners (grandfather's) and so many names repeated over and over that it's not been easy to keep them straight. Your correction was certainly on mark!--SemlakGirl 16:04, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

John Walker Page - links fixed [14 October 2009]

Hi SQ, I believe the remaining two red links have been fixed. :) It should be "good to go" for next week's feature.

Thanks and have a great week,

Jim:)--Delijim 08:51, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

[20 October 2009]

Hello I noticed that you have changed some information on the Woods Family line. May I ask your relation to the Woods Family? My name is Mistie Woods Hubert and I am the granddaughter of Floyd Virgil Woods and the great granddaughter of Oscar B and Smantha Myers Woods. I would like to chat with you if I may. Thank you Mistie Woods Hubert --Mhubert 16:46, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

I am a volunteer admin. I am just merging duplicate pages. Hope this has helped extend your tree.  :) --sq 22:02, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

Page Titles for Different Types of Sources [9 November 2009]

Hello - I have been trying to correct the page titles for existing source pages as I come across them. I have no problem using whatever format the "community" would like, however... I am having some difficulty identifying what the final decision is. I find differing instructions in different places. Can you point me to whichever page explains the final title formatting rules for each type of source? Maybe some sort of simple flow-chart would be helpful to direct users to the correct format based on the type of source. -Thanks,--Cos1776 14:27, 9 November 2009 (EST)

The final word should be at Help:Source_page_titles. If this is confusing, would you please leave a message on the talk page? I think the flow chart would be very helpful. Maybe you could help us with that.  :) --sq 10:01, 10 November 2009 (EST)

Non-English articles? [20 November 2009]

Hello, I would like to contribute some of my family's history to WeRelate.org. However, since most of my anchestors lived in Germany, I would prefer to write the person-articles in German. Does that fit into the site's strategy? --Hagedorn 22:56, 19 November 2009 (EST)

Yes, this is an international site. Although the support staff is mostly English speaking, we have quite a collection of pages in various languages.  :)--sq 09:44, 20 November 2009 (EST)

If you would also like to post an English translation, some people would appreciate it (but it's not required.) If you like, my husband and I would be happy to help clean up the English translation for you. Your English is probably much better than my German. Just leave a note on my user page. --Judy (jlanoux) 10:58, 20 November 2009 (EST)

Problem gedcom [25 November 2009]

Delijim has left me a message (Gedcom Review [25 November 2009]) expressing concern about a gedcom left by one of the Orphan Accounts. I know there was discussion about perhaps deleting these gedcoms. Did we ever decide anything? --Judy (jlanoux) 11:01, 25 November 2009 (EST)

No. Not yet. If you are concerned about Garron--We apparently have a user who wants to delete his/stuff.

FamilySearch.org limited use license [30 December 2009]

Solveig, I have a question about WeRelate's FamilySearch.org limited use license option when adding an image.

Their conditions of use policy states: "You may not post material from this site on another web site or on a computer network without our permission." That is a bit different than what we state here.--Jennifer (JBS66) 15:27, 30 December 2009 (EST)

They actually have two conditions of use:

• the main one that you've referenced (which is very restrictive to the point that you aren't even allowed to store information downloaded from their site on a home network without their permission), and
• one that applies to record search: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/conditions.html, which says in part that You may view, download, and print material from this site only for your personal, noncommercial use unless we specifically indicate that other uses are permitted. Since record search is where the images are, that's the license that's being referenced.

--sq 00:30, 3 January 2010 (EST)

Restoration of deleted page [18 February 2010]

HI Solveig

Could you restore the page Notebook:Houston's of Old Chester County, PA This seems to have been inaderetently deleteted. Q 19:24, 18 February 2010 (EST)

done

THANKS! Q 12:43, 19 February 2010 (EST)

Same User: two ID's [21 February 2010]

Thanks for the reply. Yes B.holmes and B.Holmes are one and the same. I can only sign in using the newer B.holmes now (new computer with Win7) but all my prior entries are under B.Holmes.

Can you please transfer B.Holmes entries to B.holmes?

Cheers, Buddy--B.holmes 23:12, 19 February 2010 (EST)

We can't really do that. WeRelate is a wiki; all wiki pages are public and accessible to everyone. If you watch all your B.Holmes pages, you will recieve email updates if anyone adds info to those pages. --sq 21:41, 20 February 2010 (EST)

But it is just a duplicate!?

The two ID's are both me!?

Cheers, Buddy--B.Holmes 22:16, 20 February 2010 (EST)

Dallan will take care of this.

Merging in the Weikert/Weikerth Family [3 March 2010]

Thank you so much for doing the merge for my tree! As ever, you were absolutely correct. It took me a while to find it . . . . This is such a great service!--SemlakGirl 12:18, 3 March 2010 (EST)

Thomas Humphries [6 March 2010]

Solveig, I'm advised you changed my input on the above changing the name of his wife from Mary Cox to "unknown". It seems a bit bizarre as I researched this myself from parish records in Taunton. Would you like to explain your reasoning please? Regards Humper--Humper 04:54, 6 March 2010 (EST)

Sorry, I'm an admin and I have been merging a lot of duplicate pages. I must have been merging your page with another and clicked on the wrong title. Just click on the rename link at the top of the page and change it back. You probably have a number of pages that can be merged with duplicates. Click on find duplicates from the more menu and follow the instructions. It's a great way to connect with people who are researching common ancestors. --sq 09:07, 6 March 2010 (EST)