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John Jax_597 Kesia Mott 12 gens.ged Imported Successfully [9 January 2012]

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Persons Born Too Early.... (GEDCOM limit 1750) [23 January 2012]

I asked about this in the administrators group, figuring that we could get an exception for you. Dallan remarked that this could be cranked back to as early as 1550 and that you're not the sort of user for which the 1750 limit should be a hard one. Has anyone contacted you on this yet? --jrm03063 13:32, 23 January 2012 (EST)

No contact from anyone so I assume it isn't going to happen. :( The earliest birth I have to import is 1643 and have to admit the sources for that are not from original research. But it is the best info I've found and would be a starting point for anyone wanting to research further. It would take me several separate GEDCOM uploads to get into the acceptable time frame.
This info is all posted on my Jackson website but I'm going on 83 and am concerned what will happen with the info when my site is no longer available. I'm already slowing down a lot and would have liked to get as much posted at WR as possible. Yes, I've posted it to rootsweb; but that doesn't include all the analysis pages that would go with the personal data if I ever get it posted to WR. And I have wills transcribed that I haven't had time to put on WR...So this inability to continue sort of took the wind out of my sails. --Janiejac 17:48, 23 January 2012 (EST)
There was agreement from Dallan that you would be able to do this - I thought someone was going to contact you on what needed to be done. I'll follow up on the admn thread - please don't lose hope! This is just a function of volunteers innocently dropping the ball - we'll get back to this! --jrm03063 20:38, 23 January 2012 (EST)
Sorry, I've been overwhelmed at work lately and haven't gotten to this. You now have the ability to upload people back to around 1550. I'll explain exactly what "around" means on your sound off page.--Dallan 21:39, 23 January 2012 (EST)


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Alexander M Jackson [11 April 2012]

Hi Janie,

How are you? Found this interesting and wanted to share with you.

Found this Jackson in the book on Ancestry. Name of book is History of old Tishomingo County, Territory of Mississippi. See book for exact verbiage.

See p. 73-74. In Oct 1845 Alexander M. Jackson, born in the Kingdom of Ireland in the year 1823, and that his father John Jackson, emigrated to the United States bringing with him this petitioner in 1831, petitions to become a citizen of the United States. Says he has been in Mississippi for the last 2 1/2 years. --Beth 08:20, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

Thanks so much Beth! I've been considering how I can set off Jackson immigrants so they can be easily identified. I keep running into so many. I'd like a new category called 'Jackson Immigrants' for any Jackson born in another country no matter when or how they arrived. I've checked out the category index and there doesn't seem to be any category like that. The only categories I see are those listing the passengers on certain ships. But if I were looking for an immigrant Jackson, I'd have to look through all those passenger lists and that's not going to happen! Have you any idea whether my suggested category for Jackson Immigrants would be acceptible? This Alexander would be a perfect person to make a brief person page to have this category. Can any user set up a category or is it best to ask an admin so that it gets set up with sensible parent category?
Any user may create a new category but I would not recommend this for all users. I don't see any problems with your category. I would name the category Jackson (Surname) Immigrants to the United States unless you have a better suggestion. We need to distinguish the surname from the country. I know there are no countries named Jackson but take for instance England. English immigrants to the United States could be the surname English or English citizens. Your parent category would be Category:Migration. --Beth 08:06, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

Texas McDonalds.ged Imported Successfully [25 April 2012]

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Samuel P. Jax of KY.ged Imported Successfully [6 May 2012]

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John Asa Holbrook.ged Imported Successfully [9 May 2012]

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Abigail Jax_Jon Hughes.ged Imported Successfully [4 June 2012]

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Jacob Jax Maryland9959.ged Imported Successfully [15 June 2012]

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Joseph Jackson will Logan County Kentucky [3 July 2012]

Hi Janie,

While searching for a Watson will found this one on FamilySearch. Proven in March 1819. Here is the link. [1]

From Kentucky, Probate Records, 1792-1977 Logan Will records, Index, 1815-1823, Vol. B, image 113 of 267. --Beth 19:17, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

Hi Janie, you are welcome. You already transcribed it, not one of my favorite things. I have several I need to transcribe. I have no idea where this Jackson family was from. Regarding this Watson family that I am halfway researching, I have traced them from Logan Co., KY back to Greenville, South Carolina back to Pittyslvania Co VA (which was created from Halifax) and back to Louisa Co VA (which was created from Hanover Co Va. One of the Squire Boones evidently died in Logan Co KY. --Beth 17:34, 3 July 2012 (EDT)


Sam Jax Mary Hanks.ged Imported Successfully [14 July 2012]

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Alexander Jax Washington OH.ged Imported Successfully [9 August 2012]

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Transforming Census Records [11 August 2012]

I wondered more about this. It's really common to want junk all of your MySource entries in favor of some actual source - so maybe a bot could be created that would do this more automatically. My thinking is that a user should be able to upload their GEDCOM - allowing whatever MySource pages there are to be created. Then, look over the MySource pages and see what Source would be preferred. Mark the MySource page with a template indicating that you want all such references to be transformed into some alternative Source. If all that needs doing is to change the MySource to a Source - then this should be pretty simple. If we need to be smarter about what happens with the content for any given citation - that it might be more tricky. --jrm03063 14:47, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

Thanks Jrm03063 for even being willing to address this problem (again). I know its been cussed and discussed before. I was gritting my teeth over the conclusion earlier but found I have been able to work around it. But during my latest GEDCOM upload it appeared that something has changed in the system so that now for any census record after 1870 my 'work-around' doesn't work. I'm concerned for future uploaders when they discover how tedious it is to source even census records that folks will give up. I've sure thought about it.

But in trying to verbalize a response to you, I wonder if the 'change' was something I did. This GEDCOM upload had in it some info that I had downloaded from my tree at ancestry.com. I don't normally do that - so perhaps the census record citations from ancestry is what was causing my problem. (I just saw how they turned out on the person pages and am not real happy with that - take a look at Person:John Jackson (363) I had no idea all that detail would be included with the census citation. I thought about removing the detail; but hesitated to do that.) That detail wouldn't be there if it hadn't come from ancestry.com.

When I do a regular source search for "1850 U.S. Census" the source comes up immediately, on top; no problem. It was just during the review of GEDCOM trying to match sources, that the source was not available unless I edited my source before searching to read exactly this way: "United States. 1850 United States Population Schedule". This should not be necessary; a regular search can find the census source; why not the matching search?

So the question comes to mind - is there something about citations downloaded from ancestry.com that would cause a problem with matching those sources in WeRelate? If so, it probably needs to be addressed because folks will not be patient with this much difficulty in GEDCOM uploads.

The fact that I don't put locations in the title of the census records is a separate issue and at first I thought that was the problem. But perhaps it is ancestry.com citations instead. Because that's the only thing I know of that has 'changed' since my previous upload. Thanks for thinking about this with me.--Janiejac 16:40, 11 August 2012 (EDT)


Wm Hallett 273 3 gens.ged Imported Successfully [28 August 2012]

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David Jackson info [28 October 2012]

Hi Janie, thanks for the note on David Jackson. I've added the wikipedia link to his page so it will be added with the next refresh. As far as the watercooler discussion, hopefully "cooler heads will prevail" on that issue and we can all get back to working on our lineage and projects instead of bickering over nothing....

Best regards and enjoy the rest of the weekend,

Jim:)--Delijim 09:59, 28 October 2012 (EDT)


NCSettlers [11 December 2012]

Hi Janie, got your message on the NC Settlers Page and Jacksons. If you'd like to add a link to your page at the bottom of that page, that would be fine. I haven't done any additions to that page yet. I was planning on adding some of the early key settlers in NC (governors, prominent settlers, etc) that were instrumental in the early formation of government in NC, similar to the Virginia page.

Thanks and best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 08:53, 11 December 2012 (EST)

WeRelate Featured Page - week of February 18, 2013 [20 February 2013]

Hi Janie, just wanted to let you know that your Article/Project Page, Disambiguation. Cash McDonalds in Texas, has been nominated and selected as this week's WeRelate Featured Page (will be up until the week of March 4th). Great job and keep up the good work! I've added a few links to help other researchers, and also I added the "other" Cash McDonald, per the information on his Find-A-Grave page, since I couldn't find him when I searched. Hope this meets with your approval.. :) Again, congratulations and have a great week.

Jim:)--Delijim 14:45, 20 February 2013 (EST)

volunteer partners [3 March 2013]

Hi Janie, I'd love to help out with your family history database if you have any ideas how we can go about this? AndrewRT 14:53, 3 March 2013 (EST)

Thanks so much Andrew! User:DataAnalyst offered to work at breaking my GEDCOM file into uploadable pieces. I had given up trying to do that. Let me get back to you when she is finished with it and I know more what the pieces look like. Her software lets her break up the database into families. If my PAF does that, I don't know it. --janiejac 15:09, 3 March 2013 (EST)

That's good to hear - would be interested to understand how that works as I could do with that myself! How are you planning to split it up?

I was thinking if this works is it worth having a 'bin' where people could upload raw gedcoms that others could then process? AndrewRT 15:16, 3 March 2013 (EST)

User:DataAnalyst is splitting it up and I don't know how it is done nor how large the pieces will be when she's finished.
I like the idea of a 'bin' to hold GEDCOMs of work that other folks need help with (like myself). I don't want the work lost to the WR community, but I'm getting too old to do this. I already see the difference between what I could do 2 years ago and now. When User:DataAnalyst has it broken up, let's examine what needs to be done and how. She has already suggested fixing some double dates before uploading and my eyes glazed over. I responded that it was that kind of thing I couldn't do now and that if I did the upload it would be on a 'as is' basis. I think this touches on the discussion about raising or lowering the bar. A decision needs to be made as to whether the WR community wants to accept less than perfect info in hopes someone more knowledgeable would fix it or hold out for 'more mature' work. I'll let you know when I know more.


Kimble - 375 - load to WeRelate.ged Imported Successfully [11 March 2013]

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Edward Jackson - 991 - load to WeRelate ver two.ged Imported Successfully [28 March 2013]

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Posslble duplicate Martha Millers (married Edw. Jackson) [31 March 2013]

Hi Janie, I think the two MAY be the same, except the New Jersey marriage troubles me. Martha's father John Miller was clearly in Augusta County by 1747, so if she was married to Edward Jackson in 1762, it seems quite a journey to New Jersey to get married..... I believe it was much more likely that they were married in Augusta.

Anyway, just my $.02.

Best regards and Happy Easter,

Jim:)--Delijim 10:10, 31 March 2013 (EDT)


Sarah Dennison 4104.ged Imported Successfully [11 July 2013]

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Stephen Jackson - 1205.ged Imported Successfully [2 May 2013]

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This is Capt. Stephen Jackson (RIN 49) and Elizabeth Pomeroy. This GED set up by Janet and Janie uploaded it 2 May 2012; edited the Ernest family 21 Jun 2013)

Father of Nancy Norris [5 May 2013]

Hi Janie, I was adding a Norris family from an Ancestry submission, and they have your Nancy Ann Norris as a daughter of William Norris and his wife Hannah Bell, from Lancaster and Fauquier County, Virginia. If this agrees with your records (you show William being born in England, the Ancestry submission has him being born in Lancaster County, Virginia), feel free to merge them, otherwise, you can dis-connect her from this family if you feel it is in error.

Just wanted you to know. Enjoy the rest of the weekend and best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 11:04, 5 May 2013 (EDT)

Categories as of May 2013 [8 May 2013]

Hi janiejac My original suggestion of Places First--Surnames Second is Message 13 under [[Help talk:Categories]].

I just read your answer to Kaentlahn (not sure I got his alias right--don't want to chase around and cut and paste) and it is making me think. I see where you are coming from. We are both speculating around possibilities.

As you may know I live in England and my time zone is 5 hours ahead of yours. Give me a couple of hours to do some household chores and then I'll get back on the computer with thinking cap on.

cheers, Pat (--goldenoldie 02:48, 8 May 2013 (EDT))

Thoughts for new search page and categories [8 May 2013]

I decided to put your thoughts, and Khaentlahn's thoughts and what I have been considering down in point form. He (?) has also received a copy of this. As you will see I had to start at the beginning--with what comes in when we introduce an ancestor to WR. Having seen the results of other people's gedcoms (particularly those produced before WeRelate put rules in place), I am in favour of strict but kindly discipline at this point. After all, this is what led to messy categories in the first place.

What we’ve got to work with:
STAGE 1
From a Person page (from cell information)

  • surname
  • given names
  • prefixes and suffixes
  • gender
  • birthdate
  • birthplace
  • baptismal data
  • death date
  • death place
  • burial details

In addition from Family page

  • father (incl birthdate and place, death date and place)
  • mother (incl birthdate and place, death date and place)
  • parents’ marriage date and place
  • siblings (incl birthdate and place, death date and place)

In addition from Marriage page

  • spouse’s name plus birthdate and place, death date and place
  • children’s names plus birthdate and place, death date and place

Oblige people to convert gedcom information to a standard format before the people in the gedcom are accepted into WR. This should also be obliged for a member’s entries made within WR.

Standard format means

  • all dates xx yyy zzzz (with April being Apr not apr; “bef”, “aft” and “abt” allowed)
  • what isn’t known is left as a blank cell, but urge people to make a guess on birthplace based on baptismal place, if infant baptism
  • all places written according to WR rules (country must be included, no abbreviations),

in the form:

  • settlement or township, county, state/province, country for North America
  • settlement or parish, county, country for the United Kingdom
  • agreed order for other parts of the world

(Question: should country come up in a separate cell, like surname does? Should state/province do so as well?) Otherwise, they come up in red. If this is the case, an automated but friendly explanation should appear, with a message to contact some specific helper if the new user is having trouble. Suggest omitting the settlement/township/parish if unsure (or if it is unrecognized), putting this information in the additional description box. (Helper should be advised of this, too.)

STAGE 2 Adding sources. I don’t want to go into this here.

STAGE 3. SEARCH PAGES DISPLAY (minimum visible list 50).
We could have (simplified)

  • surnames (with a filter for surname variations), given names (and gender as m or f)
  • birth and death years

or we could have (expanded)

  • surnames (with a filter for surname variations), given names (and gender as m or f)
  • birth and death years
  • birthcountry (+ state/province?)
  • deathcountry (+ state/province?)

or we could have (detailed)

  • surnames (with a filter for surname variations), given names (and gender as m or f)
  • birth and death years
  • birthplace in full
  • deathplace in full
  • initial user (no other watchers)

One of the things that bugged me on both the categories list as was, and on the search pages, is that persons and families were presented given names first. This doesn’t allow for any quick eye scanning of differences in surname spellings (if they are even allowed in the search parameters). It was a long time before I got my head around Person and Family numbers.

STAGE 4. CATEGORIES We could have

surnames (with a filter for surname variations, and perhaps by gender?)

or we could have

surnames (with a filter for surname variations), given names (with a filter by gender?)
birthcountry (+ state/province?) and/or deathcountry (+ state/province?)

or we could have

places from the Place pages (country)
surnames (with a filter for surname variations)

or we could have

places from the Place pages (country + state/province)
surnames (with a filter for surname variations)

or we could have

places from the Place pages (country + state/province + township/parish)
surnames

My brain is now going to return to my own family genealogy for the next few hours.
--goldenoldie 06:46, 8 May 2013 (EDT)



Jeptha Nightser_28 uploaded.ged Imported Successfully [13 June 2013]

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Dr Isaac Jax.ged Imported Successfully [17 June 2013]

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List of alternate names [19 June 2013]

Hi,

The list of alternate names is at http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Special:Names--JeffreyRLehrer 19:08, 18 June 2013 (EDT)

Abel Jackson in Bath County [25 June 2013]

Hi Janie, I stumbled across an Abel Jackson that left his will in Bath County and had one record in Chalkley's that pertained to his family. I know you've been researching the Jackson's in that area, so I thought I'd let you know just in case they tied into your bunch.

Best regards and have a great week,

Jim:)--Delijim 08:56, 24 June 2013 (EDT)


Hi Janie, got your message, go ahead and "head-bash" away... :) I didn't know when I added that emoticon that it would get so much use... :)

Have a great week,

Jim:)


Hi Janie, thought you might like to see this analysis of Stephen Jackson, this guy says he was "Killing Stephen Jackson".....

- Jim

Greenbrier Jacksons.ged Imported Successfully [9 July 2013]

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GEDCOM Export Ready [24 July 2013]

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Asa Jax of Wilson TN.ged Imported Successfully [29 July 2013]

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Robert Allen Page [26 October 2013]

Hi Janie, I checked out Robert Allen's page, but I don't see anything wrong. I'll ask Bill (Quolla6) to look at it since he was the one that designed the Augusta templates.

Thanks, have a great weekend,

Jim:)--Delijim 02:08, 26 October 2013 (UTC)


Norman desc fr FF.ged Imported Successfully [14 December 2013]

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