What is the naming convention for templates? [13 September 2009]
A suggested convention for naming templates associated with these portals is:
I am new to this trying to contact a person that has changed my gene. info how do I get in touch no place to type when I click on her link--Valn50 11:46, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
What other links can be used within the "other links section"? [6 February 2009]
What do we think about changing "topical" to "genealogy"? The genealogy section then could be a jumping off point to various related topics. --Ronni 15:46, 5 February 2009 (EST)
Explanation on Sections
The Front Page News section is Dallan's news announcements that he places on the main page.
Current Discussions and Current Projects and two different templates that users can edit to add their own news items without editing the Community page itself. The Community Portal should be "protected" with only admin type people editing it.
The Did you know section is a template that Solveig maintains and it also appears on the main page.
Other sections to add
Guidelines and Help section [5 February 2009]
It looks a little crowded to me so I tried to narrow it down from 4 columns into 3, but I couldn't get the last column to "disappear". Just had blank space there. I changed the colspan to 3 and that did nothing that I could tell. Still learning what all the coding means. :) --Ronni 16:15, 5 February 2009 (EST)
I tried a few ways to eliminate that column. I didn't save it yet though. If the final version is on a page without ads, then we will have the room to expand and it shouldn't look so squished.--Jennifer (JBS66) 17:40, 5 February 2009 (EST)
Footer [5 February 2009]
Are we keeping both the Other Portals section and the WeRelate Portals footer?--Jennifer (JBS66) 18:13, 5 February 2009 (EST)
I think we need a link-directory closer to the top, but I see nothing wrong with keeping the footer one as well. Maybe even add more links to the footer one. Maybe an email addy to ask questions, report problems, etc? --Ronni 18:49, 5 February 2009 (EST)
Portal as its own Namespace [6 February 2009]
I was just looking at FHLC's instructions and templates on creating portals. Pretty cool. --Ronni 12:13, 6 February 2009 (EST)
Edit Page of Portal Pages [24 February 2009]
I don't have admin access so I can't see the edit page of these great portals but will they ultimately be forms like the add person page or will they be using wiki code for making tables?
I suppose if admin access is required to edit them, most admins will know how to edit that table code, right? I more or less figured it out on Amelia's great migrations ships page, but it's pretty kludgy and can easily be messed up. (BTW, html code for tables is even worse.)
It would make life simpler for everyone in the long run if these portal table pages were converted to backend forms that then filled in the appropriate sections; however I don't know what's req'd to achieve that.
And I would LOVE to use some sort of template for the great migration topical portal, but dread having to manage wiki table code.
Which raises the question: will ALL portal pages of whatever type require admin access?
This is great work ladies. I look forward to contributing however I can.
jillaine 08:12, 6 February 2009 (EST)
Right now they are made up of manual code (html) in this case. I doubt they'll be turned into a form because a "portal" is like a homepage for a specific topic and with that some creative expression is used. Actually, the freedom of that creative expression is what is making this such a fun thing to work on. Right now, Jennifer and I are thinking the portals dealing with the namespaces and the community portal should only be edited by admin folks. The Genealogy portal can perhaps be edited by everyone since it'll serve as a jumping off spot for all the Genealogy projects, etc. But no, portal pages in general can be created and edited by anyone just like a regular page. We're thinking they'll be placed in the "Article" area of WeRelate which isn't prefaced with a namespace, but we're waiting on Dallan to answer some questions we have about that. Are we going to have a portal namespace for instance? That will effect how we name and title the new portal pages.
As to a form, we can make an "empty" portal, which Jennifer has done pretty much already with all of the namespace portals and whenever someone wants to make a new portal they would just select all, copy and then paste. As a matter of fact Jillaine, we could do that now if you want. We can copy one of the portals to a "sandbox" area under your user name and you can play around with it.
--Ronni 12:11, 6 February 2009 (EST)
Thanks for all your suggestions and support of this topic! I think I'm going to need to wait just a bit before I can make a template more public. I need to find out if it needs to be in HTML or wiki code format. When I get that answered, I can pass it on to you!--Jennifer (JBS66) 06:29, 7 February 2009 (EST)
Getting in late here, but I'm assuming there isn't a question anymore about whether the templates need to be in HTML or wiki code format. If there is, my vote would be for either one. My personal preference is to use wiki code generally, although sometimes I use HTML for tables.--Dallan 17:18, 24 February 2009 (EST)
Overall Design [7 February 2009]
In a former life, I was a web site designer/editor. As a result, I learned a great deal about "usability" - so I bring that frame to this work. I can't help it. Based on that experience, I would advise that portal pages not be too "long" (vertically). The purpose of portal pages is to help people find things, to bring things buried deep in a web site to greater attention. If too much scrolling is required, you'll lose people, or they'll have difficulty finding what you want them to find. This issue is more important on "entry" pages (like portal pages) than on pages where one expects to find more detail and hence scrolling. So be wary about how many "screens" are required on a portal page. Ideally, it's one screen; that can be pretty difficult to do, though. But the point is to try to keep it to a minimum. jillaine 08:21, 7 February 2009 (EST)
I appreciate your comments Jillaine, and in general I agree. However, it would be hard to put all the info on one page view. I used Wikipedia's community portal as a guide. Granted, they have tons more info to put on a community page, but the idea here is that folks need to go to one area to find what out what's happening. The "Bulletin Board" section will expand as people have news items to share, so the page has the potential to grow in length, but notice that section is closer to the top. The guidelines, helps, etc are at the bottom. For those folks that don't want to scroll, they *can* find that info elsewhere, so they haven't missed much. For those folks they do scroll, they've got a nice representation of the guidelines, etc. Looking at the overall design again, the important sections like news items, discussions, projects are listed in the first page view, or very close to it.
(As an aside: the "Other portal" section at the top, could be shorter in length)
Another issue we have with the size is that we just don't have that much room to work with for a page like this. We have a large border on the left that won't be used for a portal page and then we have the ads on the right that we have to work around.
I do wonder if the colors can be toned back a little. Too many colors, too much distraction?
I don't see the other portal pages being as long as the community portal because I can't imagine there would be a lot of info needed on them. However, I will not be offended in the least if you want to work on a more practical design for the community portal. In any case, thanks for your comments, Jillaine! --Ronni 13:23, 7 February 2009 (EST)
Are the boxes too wide now? [12 February 2009]
We could keep them as is, or make them a bit narrower and add a third column (that is narrower than the other 2).--Jennifer (JBS66) 11:13, 10 February 2009 (EST)
I made them a bit narrower, rather than the same width as the header box.--Jennifer (JBS66) 06:47, 12 February 2009 (EST)
Featured Box [24 February 2009]
Should we eliminate the featured box on the Community Portal? I think it competes with the main page's Featured Page. I think we should keep the featured boxes on the other portals, perhaps title them differently?--Jennifer (JBS66) 06:51, 12 February 2009 (EST)
The community portal is going to be accessible from a link off of the home page. Note: I decided to remove the featured page box - can always add it back later if necessary.--Jennifer (JBS66) 10:42, 12 February 2009 (EST)
Good point. The blog and featured FAQ have been removed from the community portal page.
Also, the portals are no longer protected - although the community portal may become protected at some point in the future. So please feel free to flesh them out!--Dallan 17:18, 24 February 2009 (EST)
I see that we now have a Portal namespace. Cool.
Question: Will ALL portals be in the portal namespace? Or just the "namespace" Portals (Person, Family, Article, Source, etc.)? -- jillaine 08:34, 12 February 2009 (EST)
I think all portals should be in the Portal namespace. Portals should all be findable somehow from the Community portal. I noticed that Wikipedia has a list of Featured portals and then a longer list of all portals. This seems like a good idea.--Dallan 17:18, 24 February 2009 (EST)
Genealogy Portals [22 July 2009]
How should the Genealogy/Topical portals be organized? Would we keep the Genealogy Portal link, but that would link to a Directory of Other Portals? Then how would we structure each portal (like The Great Migration), would it be a subpage of Genealogy?--Jennifer (JBS66) 14:25, 12 February 2009 (EST)
I was hesitant to since this is the only portal I haven't moved over to the new namespace yet.--Jennifer (JBS66) 14:34, 12 February 2009 (EST)
We could use a "Genealogy" portal to feature the other portals, or we could list featured portals on the Community portal page and have a Category:Portal page to list all portals. If we had a Portal:Genealogy page to list the other portals, what would you think about titling it to say "All" or "Index", or "Other"?--Dallan 17:18, 24 February 2009 (EST)
I want to revive this discussion. I'm coming across sources (not Sources) of good advice for doing genealogy, and I thought it would be good to have an area on WeRelate where people can find such information.
But where should it be? For example:
The purpose of this resource is to provide guidance and assistance for researchers. Using original records for the first time can be quite daunting. The handwriting can be hard to read; unfamiliar words and phrases are often used; and it can be difficult to know which documents to use in order to find relevant information.
These web pages are divided into two sections:
* 'Historical Skills' units give advice relating to using and understanding old records. * 'Document Skills' units provide explanations and examples of particular kinds of records.
Each unit uses examples from the collections held by Manuscripts and Special Collections at the University of Nottingham. The images within each unit are illustrative, and the examples are not intended to be exhaustive. Each unit includes a bibliography listing further reading for researchers who need a more comprehensive approach. Researchers wishing to search the material held by Manuscripts and Special Collections to find further examples will need to use the Manuscripts Online Catalogue <http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/mss/catalogue>.--jillaine 09:09, 22 July 2009 (EDT)
Can I have a copy? [15 February 2009]
Jennifer and Ronni,
Any chance you'll give up a copy of your current portal code?
I've been using your original code for my Great Migration portal, but am quickly running up against limits to its formatting. I need more "boxes".
But it occurs to me that you may wish to be using your current portal code only for the primary portals, and not for user-driven topical portals. Is that true?
If not, and you're open to having this code used for any portal, I'd sure like a copy.
I created User:Jillaine/Sandbox2 as a container if you're willing to dump the code in there.
-- jillaine 08:02, 15 February 2009 (EST)
I see no reason to limit this template's use. I need to create a slightly different template though (easy enough). Here is the current template. I was thinking that you might still want the same header, left content, and right content boxes, but do away with (or alter) the footer.--Jennifer (JBS66) 08:35, 15 February 2009 (EST)
Hi Jennifer, I'm online this afternoon in a hit-or-miss way, but not enough to be walked through anything-- thanks for the offer. I'm taking a break from house cleaning before our 6pm guests show up. I hate house-cleaning and I'm annoyed that the hubbie isn't helping out, so I'm being a "brat" and logging in. Sigh. Yeah, I'm being about five years old right now.
Thanks for the further explanation on my talk page. I figured something wasn't right with what I tried at User:Jillaine/Sandbox2 so I attempted to view source on the Community portal and copy paste into my sandbox2 and as you see, it's a mess, and doesn't work.
Let's say "no" on the portal footer for now. I can always add it back later.
Gotta go; hubbie's here. ;-)
-- jillaine 15:36, 15 February 2009 (EST)
Yeah, I rather be computing then cleaning any day!
I put some code on your User:Jillaine/Sandbox3 page. Basic instructions on its talk page. Let me know if you have any questions! Have a great dinner!
--Jennifer (JBS66) 16:01, 15 February 2009 (EST)
Where is the Current Projects template? [25 August 2009]
Where did you hide this one?--Beth 17:35, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
Turn this portal into a "what can I do now" page [16 September 2009]
I'd like to feature this portal more prominently as a "What can I do now?" page for newcomers to WeRelate. So far, I've changed the link to this page on the homepage to "Start collaborating". I'll probably also add a link to this page from the "Help" menu.
So I was "bold" and re-arranged the sections, added links to each of the namespace portals under the featured portals section, and moved the sections about nominating pages, spreading the word, and what links here to WeRelate:Featured page nominations, Help:Spread the word, and Help:FAQ respectively in order to shorten the page.
Feel free to change things back if you don't like what I did. Let's see if we can turn this page into something that is a great "jumping off point" for a newcomer, which means it should provide links to the various common activities and community projects at WeRelate without being overwhelming. Thank-you!--Dallan 12:13, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
Too much on the main Portal page? [17 September 2009]
Due to Dallan's recent edit, I found it difficult to find things on this page. I'm thinking there's just way too much for anyone to really get engaged with this page. If I'm the only one, I'll drop it, but if others feel the same, I'm happy to work on how to tighten this page up. In support of that, please include in your response to this message what you see the primary purpose of the Community Portal to be. Thanks jillaine 13:26, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
Header for the Community Portal Page [22 September 2009]
I noticed that "Ethnic American" is listed with the other portals in the header box. How do we decide what goes in that box, and what goes in what was the Featured Portals (which I just renamed "Special Interest Portals" in order to de-dupe some of the text on the page)? Seems like we should probably keep the "main" portals in that section, and list others in the "Special Interest Portals" box. Thoughts? jillaine 23:28, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
Your Genie Program and WeRelate [22 September 2009]
(Not saying this is the title; feel free to change)
Place your ideas here for what it might look like to show a relationship between the genie program and the wiki.
Going beyond desktop genealogy as another header?
jillaine 07:53, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
Fonder Family from Belgium [20 April 2011]
welcoming any fonder family members .Please message me.--JuliaFonder 05:56, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
Ancestors from Semriach, Austria [22 July 2012]
I am looking for Janisch/Yanisch, Gerlich, Schmeiser, Schuman, and Nikl ancestry in Austria and Sudetenland.--RachelJ 23:20, 21 July 2012 (EDT)
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