Person talk:Mary Rust (2)

This might be three people combined into one. [22 May 2010]

NEHGR, p. 30:102, says Moses Foster m. Mary, d/o Nathaniel Rust who d. 2 May 1732 age 30. This marriage is listed twice on this page (one deleted), and shows a father named Nathaniel, but is clearly not the Mary Rust born 1664.

Another marriage shown is to John Bartlett. Source:Essex Antiquarian (Essex Antiquarian), p. 7:3, says John Bartlett m. 29 Sep 1680 Mary Rust who was living 1693, but died before her husband remarried in 1710. A birth in 1664 as shown here is a little young, but remotely possible. However, it is clear that the Mary Rust who married John Barlett was clearly not the Mary Rust who is shown here marrying Daniel Ring in 1684 since she was already married at the time.

Source:Ipswich, Essex, Massachusetts, United States. Vital Records to End of the Year 1849 shows the birth of MAry Rust, d/o Nathaniel, June 1664. Source:Rust, Albert D. Record of the Rust Family, p. 18, says this Mary is the daughter of Nathaniel Rust and Mary Wardwell and m. Capt. Daniel Ringe abt. 1684.

Since this page appears to be the Mary Rust who married Daniel Ring, I am detaching the remaining marriages. They all appear, on the basis on reasonably clear evidence, to be different and distinct Mary Rusts... --Jrich 19:19, 14 May 2010 (EDT)

There is an extensive note in NEHGR, p. 107:77-8, on who Mary Rust, d/o Nathaniel Rust and Mary Wardwell, actually married.

The consensus argument is the one advanced above, following the argument of Albert D. Rust, that she married Daniel Ringe. This is itself a refutation of the previous consensus that Daniel Ringe married Hananh Rust. In either event, based on his involvement with Nathaniel Rust's will, he clearly married a daughter of Nathaniel Rust. Albert D. Rust argued that there was no daughter Hannah, so he must have married Mary. However, this NEHGR note points out that Source:Ipswich, Essex, Massachusetts, United States. Vital Records to End of the Year 1849 gives the birth of two Ringe children of "Daniel and Hannah", in 1684 and 1691.

Additionally, the note says there is no other Mary Rust that could be the one mentioned in the Newbury marriage record of 1680 that gives the marriage of John Bartlett, Newbury being only 12 miles from Ipswich. Several of the children of John and Mary Bartlett match names from the Rust family: Alice (Nathaniel Rust's mother-in-law, Mary's grandmother) and Nathaniel Rust's children: Nathaniel, John, Mary, Dorothy, Sarah, Hannah (if you except there was a daughter named Hannah), Elizabeth. --Jrich 00:56, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

Based on the above NEHGR note, which cites some verifiable and hard to refute facts (recorded births of children of Daniel Ringe mention mother Hannah, marriage record in Newbury), as opposed to simply saying there is no evidence of Nathaniel having a daughter named Hannah, I removed Family:Daniel Ringe and Mary Rust (1) from this page. --Jrich 11:34, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

My apologies for not following this as closely as I probably should, but it looks like you are developing a fairly detailed analysis of conflicting interpretations here. Maybe this should actually go on the Person page, as part of the narrative, in order to make it clear to other researchers who are struggling with the some problems? Sort of a "mini-article", if you would. That might mean keeping some of the documentation that you are arguing against, but so much of what we are dealing with in so many lines and places faces similar challenges that anything that helps clarify the problems and puts some reasonable resolution forth would be helpful, and hopefully prevent further "cloning" of the same problems in the future. --GayelKnott 21:04, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

It could be helpful and feel free if you would like, but things are different now too, in that all three of the pages Family:John Bartlett and Mary Rust (1), Family:Daniel Ringe and Hannah Rust (1), Family:Moses Foster and Mary Rust (2) now exist, with some kind of dates and/or notes, and sources, etc., so that a person coming along with find those there and as long as they bother to read them, things like notes to the effect that Daniel Ringe's children were born to a mother named Hannah, should give them pause if they were going to do something different. I also believe some of this occurred due to overzealous merging during the campaign to remove duplicates, which was a one time event, and some of the pages didn't have enough detail (like dates) to really inform the mergers that they weren't the same person... --Jrich 22:30, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

I think you're right about the merging.--GayelKnott 23:26, 22 May 2010 (EDT)