Person talk:Mary Bowne (3)

Burial location [27 December 2010]

Given that her husband is buried in Long Island just one year earlier than Mary's death in 1727, that Mary's will says she lived in Flushing, and it was filed with the Surrogate's Office of New York City, it seems unlikely that this Mary was buried in New Jersey. But as the data given here contradicts itself (Mary's will is claimed to be dated in 1726, before her husband's death, but she says she is a widow!), it is probable that it is incorrectly transcribed or refers to two different Mary Thornes? Sources are needed. --Jrich 12:53, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

I would guess the easiest explanation would be the transcriber, either at and Thorne website or the original cited source, had a typo of 1726 when it was 1727.--B.holmes 10:04, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

It would be wrong for us to guess what is the truth. It requires research, to wit, looking for another, independent transcription, or better yet, a film of the original will from the Family History Library or other repository.

It would be easier to assume Edith Wilson made an error in reading the death record, given all the records she must have worked with and notes she must have kept and copied, than that the NY Historical Society made an error in their single task of transcribing the will, presumably with at least one proofreading. But either is possible, as well as the possibility that the will was actually written with an incorrect date, as well as the possibility that the death date applies to a different Joseph Thorne. (Obviously there was at least one other Joseph Thorne, the husband of Martha Bowne, and Joseph Thorne's will, naming wife Mary and 11 of their 12 children, was dated 1724, which leaves 2 years when his death could have occurred to make Mary a widow before 1726.) The one thing that doesn't seem likely, is that that the will applies to a different Mary Thorne, since she accounts for 8 of her 12 children, and mentions her brother Samuel Bowne. --Jrich 11:24, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

P.S. Just to keep from getting too distracted, the point of the initial comment was concern over the death and/or burial location in New Jersey, which near as I can tell, is based on an assertion made on a website, the website offering no evidence to support it (such a claim is not made in Edith Wilson's book). The will suggests that Mary lived in Flushing, Long Island, just a year or so before her death and Find a Grave (unfortunately no picture posted, as the exact inscription would be of interest) says she is buried in the Quaker Meetinghouse Cemetery in Flushing, NY (which directly contradicts the burial location on this page). Despite claiming burial in Flushing, Find A Grave also shows the death in NJ but gives no sources. It is possible that she was visiting a child (Jacob?) in New Jersey, died, was returned to Flushing to be buried next to husband, but to know this would presume access to some source that mentions it. Without this added piece of evidence, death in NJ is far from the most natural scenario one could propose, that being that they lived in Flushing, her husband died in Flushing, being in her sixties and still having some children and relatives in Flushing Mary remained there, she died in Flushing, and was buried in the same cemetery as her husband. --Jrich 12:04, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

It is my understanding that Quaker Burial Grounds have no Monument markers. they didn't believe that to be proper. I did not see any markers in Flushing Burial or in the London Burial ground.--B.holmes 12:29, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

The website's citation has no author cited. I could not find the reference in a quick look online.--B.holmes 12:30, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

The Burial place was added by someone. It was linked to Middlesex England. I have changed it to Middlesex, NJ but have no knowledge of the fact.--B.holmes 20:17, 27 December 2010 (EST)

I am pretty sure you are the one who wrote in the narrative box (added during the "Revision as of 08:41, 12 April 2010" according to the history logs) that "Maria died in 1728 at the age of 67 in Woodbridge, Somerset County, New Jersey." and that you were the one who cited as proof in response to a ^{Citation needed} the website referred by me above that asserts this without any proof, and in contradiction to Find a Grave as well as the location of her residence according to her will. Not that it couldn't happen, but that to go against this other evidence, some evidence of primary quality needs to be offered to justify keeping the NJ location. Unless there is evidence, it is most likely a myth started by somebody that assumed she lived in the same place as whichever one of her children the myth originator happened to be descended from. --Jrich 22:55, 27 December 2010 (EST)