Person talk:Andrew Hays (4)

Mark

In response to

The will of Andrew Hays (2) does not identify a son Andrew. It possible Andrew the son predeceased his father, or perhaps Andrew (4) should be be attached to a different Andrew.

You wrote:

Evidence for the existence of Captain Andrew George Hays, Jr. is found in several references:

A couple of questions

1. Where does the "Andrew George" come from? None of the items you cite refer to a George Hays, much less an Andrew George Hays. Andrew (4) was born about 1750. Middle names did not come into substantive use until after about 1760, and are not commonplace until about 1790. In most cases, I find that when a person is shown with a trinomial at this early date, that there's a "splice" involved, in which information about two separate persons is being combined. I can't say that its impossible for someone born at this early date to have a trinomial, just that its exceedingly unlikely. On the other hand, if you can show me a record showing that he did indeed have a trinomial---ie, an original source record that gives his name as Andrew George Hays---that would be extremely useful to know about.

2. As your listing shows, there's no dearth of records for a person by the name of Andrew Hays in SW VA, and elsewhere. The question is, is he the son of Andrew (2)? How do we know that? And if he is, why is he not listed in his fathers will?


I'm not sure that you actually read what I wrote because it is all there. One must look at the actual administration bond entry in the Will (or Order) Book to find Andrew Jr's middle name -- although it is included in my transcription.
It is found in two places. First, in the margin, the entry is summarized as "A Geo: Hayes admr bond". Here is an image of the margin:
Image:Andrew Hays Jr - Admin Bond Entry (Margin).JPG
In the actual bond itself, in the condition statement, the same abbreviated notation of the middle name is used -- not sure why they used a colon(:) at this time instead of a period(.). One can clearly make out the "eo:" but the capital "G" is a bit tortured. Here is another image of that section:
Image:Andrew Hays Jr - Admin Bond Body.JPG
Is it not clear in the text of the Chancery Court cases that Andrew had a son named Andrew? It may not be perfectly clear in my quick abstract in the case of 1787-002: EXR of Richard Woods vs. Andrew Hays.
Here is the complete sentence from Andrew's answer to the bill, [the defendant (ie. Andrew) states] "he sent the said twenty pounds with the Int. then due on said [pen'l or fen'l??] Bill to the said complainant, one of the Executors of the said Testator, by his son Charles or Andrew Hays who on their return delivered to this defendant the aforesaid [pence, pince or penal??] Bill and informed him that they had paid the contents to the complainants which this defendant had not the least doubt of on receiving the bill which he has now in his possession".
I will highlight the text that applies to make it more clear.

Thanks Mark. I will have to look at that more closely. I assume that somewhere the full image of this document is available? (you may already have sent it to me.)Q 18:22, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

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