Person talk:Aeltje Braconie (1)

Aeltje and Eli Braconie [14 January 2013]

It has been suggested by Chris Chester that the name given as Eli Braconie as a witness to two New Amsterdam baptisms should be understood to yet another creative spelling of "Aeltje" and does not represent a second individual. Totten assumed that the name referred to a male and thus must be a relative of Aeltje Braconie. It is much more likely that it to Aeltje herself the name refers.

This means, however, that there was no one named Eli who was her father. Yet our page gives a possible wife for him without any reproducible source. Has anyone else come across the name of Aeltje's possible mother?--Renee Dauven 16:22, 13 January 2013 (EST)

I wonder if Person:Aeltje Braconie (1) and Person:Aeltye Brackunell (1) are mistakingly the same person. I found a few snippets of information:

"Aeltje had a brother, Eli Braconie, who was one of the sponsers at the baptism 6 January 1641 of Christiaen Bennet. Eli and the Governor of New Netherlands, Willem Kieft, were sponsers at the baptism of Marye Bennet on 9 March 1644, both grandchildren of Aeltje's, being children of her daughter, Mary Badie and Mary's second husband, Willem Adriaensz Bennet." from McVicar Post ancestry by Hugh D. McVicar

There is also information in the Dutch website https://www.wiewaswie.nl regarding Braconie

Kind: Christiaen
Geslacht: Man
Vader: Willem Adriaensz
Getuige: Michiel ter Oijcken
Person5: Eli Braconie
Gebeurtenis: Doop
Datum: zondag 6 januari 1641
Plaats: NDG
Gebeurtenis: Geboorte
Documenttype: DTB Dopen
Erfgoedinstelling: Zuid-Holland, Formosa en VOC
Plaats instelling: Den Haag
Collectiegebied: Nieuw-Nederland
Registratiedatum: 6 januari 1641
Plaats: Nieuw Amsterdam-New York
AkteSoort: Doopboek
Opmerking: Getuige 1 is fiscaal

Kind: Marije
Geslacht: Vrouw
Vader: Willem Adriaensz
Getuige: Willem Kieft
Person5: Eli Braconnie
Gebeurtenis: Doop
Datum: woensdag 9 maart 1644
Plaats: NDG
Gebeurtenis: Geboorte
Documenttype: DTB Dopen
Erfgoedinstelling: Zuid-Holland, Formosa en VOC
Plaats instelling: Den Haag
Collectiegebied: Nieuw-Nederland
Registratiedatum: 9 maart 1644
Plaats: Nieuw Amsterdam-New York
AkteSoort: Doopboek
Opmerking: Getuige 1 is gouverneur

Kind: Catharijn
Geslacht: Vrouw
Vader: Paulus
Person4: Willem Kieft
Person5: Hans Kierstede
Person6: Willem Bredenbend
Getuige: Aeltje Braconie
Gebeurtenis: Doop
Datum: zondag 10 september 1645
Plaats: NDG
Gebeurtenis: Geboorte
Documenttype: DTB Dopen
Erfgoedinstelling: Zuid-Holland, Formosa en VOC
Plaats instelling: Den Haag
Collectiegebied: Nieuw-Nederland
Registratiedatum: 10 september 1645
Plaats: Nieuw Amsterdam-New York
AkteSoort: Doopboek
Opmerking: De vader is chirurgijn. Getuige 1 is gouverneur. Getuige 5 is Marritje Lievens 

Bruidegom: Wilhem Bredenbent
Geboorteplaats: Keulen
Burgerlijke staat: Jongeman
Bruid: Aeltje Braconie
Burgerlijke staat: Weduwe
Bruid vorige partner: Cornelis Lamberts
Gebeurtenis: Trouwen
Plaats: NDG
Gebeurtenis: Ondertrouw
Gebeurtenis: Proclamatie
Datum: zondag 4 september 1644
Documenttype: DTB trouwen
Erfgoedinstelling: Zuid-Holland, Formosa en VOC
Plaats instelling: Den Haag
Collectiegebied: Nieuw-Nederland
Registratiedatum: 4 september 1644
Plaats: Nieuw Amsterdam-New York
AkteSoort: Trouwboek 

Interesting snippet, Jennifer. I suppose that it is possible that "Eli" was a brother. I hadn't really thought of it.

The baptisms given above are the only two that are known to use the "Eli" name. The children are Aeltje's grandchildren. The mother of the children is Aeltje's only child. I think it is much more likely that the witness is Aeltje herself rather than her brother or her probably 80 year old father.

The marriage record is the one two her third and final husband. The first two marriage records have not yet been found.

Your suggestion that Aeltje Braconie (1) and Aeltye Brackunell (1) are actually the same person seems to be very plausible to me.