Person:John Hartzel (1)

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HARTZELL, John George Birth: PA 8 Feb 1749 Service: PA Rank: Pvt Death: PA 3 Nov 1824 Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: (1) Hannah Kreiling

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John/Johann Hans George Hartzel (1749-1824) married Hannah Philitz Kreiling (1751-1830.) They had 15 (yikes) surviving children, including a set of twins, John George and John Philip, born Dec 31,1771; Hannah still managed to live to be 79! Our ancestor was twin John Philip. The children's names are all variously spelled, Hartzel and Hartzell. Their second daughter was Christine Hartzell -- me too.

Children: Barbara, Christine , Matthew, John Phillip & John George (twins), Catharine, Leonard, Sarah, John, Elizabeth, Hannah, Jacob, Susanna, Mary, and Henry.

John George served in the revolutionary war in Captain John Santee's Company, 2nd Battalion of the Militia of Northampton County, Pa. He was discharged September 15, 1781. "Davis's 1877 History of Northampton Co, PA" discusses the Morivians opting out of the Revolutionary War: "Our declining to exercise in the use of arms, is no new thing; nor does it proceed from certain considerations, being a fundamental principle of the Brethrens Churches-a point of conscience, which our first, settlers brought with there into this province."

His family first lived in Lower Saucon Township, Northampton County and then to Menallen Township, York (now Adams) County, in 1780. (a beautiful old map of Allen County.

He owned 150 acres on Possum Creek , and built a sawmill there. The family attended the Lutheran church. He built a red brick house of brick imported from England that may still be standing. He seems to have been prosperous as well as energetic. "In 1799, George Hartzell had property assessed at $1359." He died Nov 3, 1824 (at age 75) and is buried in Fairview Cemetery, Arendtsville, Adams Co, PA. His death notice in the Gettysburg Compiler, November 17, 1824 states "Father of 17 children, 13 married, grandfather of 100 grandchildren and 12 great grandchildren"

Above information: C. Hartzell & BetteLou Ernst Hartzell 2000-2007. Information may be used for personal family investigations only. Photographs and information may not be sold or copied for sale in any media.

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October 24, 2006

Mr. Harold Ditzler 29 W York St Biglersville, PA 17307

Dear Mr. Ditzler,

I got your name from Susan McMahan as someone that knows the history of the John George Hartzel b. 1749 and Hannah Kreiling family. After speaking to you the other day you told me to send my information and you would see if it could go with the John George Hartzel family.

Our family came from Whitley Co., IN. Jesse Hertsel (it was spelled Hartsell on the wedding record through Church of the Latter Day Saints). He married Mary Ann Triplett February 20, 1840 in Portage, Ohio. Her father was William Triplett. I found Jesse and Mary Ann on the 1840 U. S. Census in Coventry Twp., Summitt Co. His children were: Mary Elizabeth born 1841 in Ohio; Oliver W Hertsel born 1843 in Ohio; Cynthia E. born 1844 in Ohio; Otis S (My line) born 1846 in IN; Adelia P born 1848 in IN; Amanda born 1850 in IN; Mary A born 1852 in IN; Jesse C born 1858 in IN; and Lewis H born 1860 in IN .

I have discovered much about the Hertsel family in IN but have had little luck putting Jesse with a family in OH or PA.

U.S. Census records for 1850 and 1860 give Jesse’s birth in OH. Jesse’s wife is also given as OH birth. But his son Otis S said he was born in PA in a later census. So I do not for sure know which state Jesse was born in OH or PA. I do remember my Grandfather Otis L Hertsel telling me that the name used to be spelled with a z. I thought since his birth was around the 1817 date he may have been born in PA. I have had very little success in finding very many Jesse’s with any spelling. There are a few but most of them were born in the middle 1800’s long after Jesse’s birth date. My father must have heard about PA Hartzels too because he was told the PA Hartzels were a rowdy bunch. He was probably teasing me. My Grand father Otis L used to tell me that we came from Missouri. He had a sense of humor too because his Grandmother’s name was “Missouri”. So I thought we had ancestry in Missouri! My Grandfather Otis L also said that the name used to be von Hertsel. This makes me think he Page 2

had heard some of the ancestry because there is a story of von Hertsel in part of the ancestry from Europe. I did not get a lot of help with this. Although my father was interested and I have had help from several Aunts and cousins.

There was a letter written April 10 by Col. John Hartzel of Newport, Perry Co., PA to Rev. J. C. Hartzell, says, in part:

“My Dear Sir- Yours of the 7th just received. Your request to send you all the principal points of the Hartzels in America. I will what I received from my father and from my uncle Henry Hartzell. My great grandfather” (John George, Jr.) “emigrated to America before the Revolutionary War. He settled in Northampton Co. There was a small town built on part of his land and for a long time went by the name of Hartzells Town. In later years the name of the town was changed to Youngwomans Town and from that to Younmanstown. I have an old map of the state of PA in which I find among other towns the name of Hartzellstown. My great grandfather had seven (7) sons, six located in different parts of PA as follows: George Hartzell, my grandfather located in Adams Co. on the Opossum Creek eleven miles north of Gettysburg. He had six sons, all of them with the exception of my father and my uncle Jacob lived and died in or near the old homestead.

“My uncle Jacob went west somewhere about the year of 1820. He settled in Ohio. He had two sons, Jesse and Josiah. My father came to Perry Co. in 1823 where two of my brothers, Samuel and Michael and myself still reside. My brother Adam went to Iowa in 1844 where he still resides.

“My grandfather’s six brothers located as follows: one brother remained with his father in Northampton Co., Nathan Hartzell purchased land in Lucern Co., PA near Wilkes-Barre. Another of the brothers settled in Northampton Co., near

___________. Another brother settled in ______________, The other two went to Westmoreland Co. One of them was named Adam. One of the two last named was a bachelor…………”

Mr. Ditzler you may already know of this letter. The passage about the cousin Jesse going to Ohio was brought to my attention by Susan McMahan of Ohio that has done much Hartzel research.

I did not know the date of birth of the Jesse mentioned in the letter but have learned in the past few days since our return from PA that it was 1810. However, I do not know how the person got the 1810 birth date because there was also a 1801 birthdate for this Jesse Hartzell on Familysearch (Church of the Latter Day Saints) website.

This birth date does not match the Jesse Hertsel of Indiana. Jesse Hertsel of IN died Dec 30, 1864 and is buried at the Hope Lutheran Church Cemetery, Coesse, IN. I got his birth date from Census records for him and the Whitley Co. historical web site has all of their cemeteries transcribed. His stone shows he was 47 years old. So I am disappointed that the birth dates do not match.

I have e-mail correspondence from a Ginny Youmans who used to live near Lancaster, PA but now lives in TN that is directly related to the Jacob Hartzel born 1784 son of John George and Hannah Kreiling. She sent me a history written by a Rev. George P Hartzell, Summum, Illinois, 1900. He was the son of Jacob Hartzell Jr, who was the son of Jacob Hartzell Sr., who was the son of Johann George Hartzell the patriarch. I have included her letter for you to read. It gives Jacob Hartzel born 1784’s children and life story.

According to the history written by Rev. George P Hartzell mentioned above Jacob had two wives and children with both wives. The first wife Elizabeth Peters, daughter of Henry Peters who lived on a farm adjoining his father’s (I thought this was John George Hartzel’s farm). The paper goes on to say that they had four children: Jesse, Anna Mary, George and Jacob. Shortly after the birth of the youngest child the mother died. After a few years had elapsed the father was married the second time. The maiden name of this second wife is unknown to me. (This paragraph is from the Rev. George P. Hartzell’s biography.)

I also have information from a Michael Cummings about Jacob’s second wife Elizabeth Leathers. Some of their children could be: Sarah Hartzel, B. 7 Apr 1818 PA, died 10 Nov 1872; m John Rider 12 Feb 1837, Stark Co., OH death are from Kosciusko Co., IN cemetery records). Birth from Baptismal Records of the Upper Bermudian “Ground Oak” Church, Huntington Twp, Adams Co., PA, 1791-1874 In parish register of Benders Church, Butler Twp, Adams Co., PA for the Evangelical Lutheran and Reformed Congregations, 1786-1860:

Elisabeth Herzel, b. 3 Jan 1822, bap. 31 March 1822; Parents: Jacob Herzel and Elisabeth. He also has a Hannah Herzel, b. abt 1820; Parents Jacob and Elizabeth Herzel. Marriage for Jacob Herzel and Mrs. Elizabeth Herzel, about 1817. He had Sara and Hannah’s birth and Jacob’s marriage to Elizabeth from IGI records.

In another post on the RootWebs on the Internet he says: All of the siblings were in Pike Twp. Stark Co., OH in 1850 and lived close to one another. They were Sarah Hartzel, John Hartzel, Elizabeth Hartzel, and Hannah Hartzel.

Michael Cummings post was concerning who these siblings parents might be.

From a Richard Pence date May 2002 He is researching a Samuel Pence/Bentz He says Samuel Pence was born May 6, 1782. In York Co., PA parents names unknown. He Died Nov. 1864 and is buried in Oak Park Cemetery at Ligonier, Noble Co., IN; married (1) Catherine Smith 1 July 1802 in Cumberland County, PA (she died 23 May 1823, buried in Oak Park Cemetery). His marriage (2) as Samuel Bentz) to Elizabeth (Leathery) Hartzell 22 Feb 1829 in Stark Co., Ohio. She died 14 Oct 1851, buried in Oak Park Cemetery; she was the widow of Jacob Hartzell (his second wife) and the daughter of John Leathery/Lethra and wife Mary. Nobel Co. , IN Cemetery Records DAR 1933-34, Ligonier, IN Cemetery, p. 1761

The only thing the above shows is that Jacob Hartzel’s second wife remarried after he died. Her name is shown as Leathers on some family trees.

So I have Jacob who married two Elizabeth’s and children names. I got the 1810 birth date from Michael Cummings. I asked him where he got the date from and he did not get from a christening record. I stopped at the Bender’s Church and Jesse could not be found around the 1817 date and the Pastor was going to look and see if he is posted for an 1810 christening date.

Do you think it is possible the date Jesse had for his birth year could be off by seven years? He died at age 47 according to the dates I have but if he were born in 1810 rather than 1817 he would have been 54 years in 1864.

Do you know if family trees have been made for most of the Hartzel families? There sure are a lot of them on line.

So I am at a brick wall on this. I still think it is possible that Jesse Hertsel is Jacob’s son Jesse. There could be a mix up in the dates of birth or Jesse may have his birth date wrong. He would have been around six when his Mother died and only 17 when his father died with the 1810 date birthdate. I think it is possible he could have moved out from Canton, Stark Co. to find work and headed north to the Summitt Co. where he met his future wife Mary Ann Triplett. I thought he was married in Portage Co. in 1840 but there was also a Portage Township in Summitt Co. so that is where he might have been married.

I have enclosed a map of the counties as they were in the early 1900’s. Basically what I have to make me think Jesse Hertsel is the son of Jacob b 1784 is:

Col. John Hartzel’s letter giving the information that Jacob went west around 1820 with his son Jesse. Jesse Hertsel was married in Summitt Co., OH to Mary Ann Triplett Feb 20, 1840. He is also in the 1840 census living next to his father-in-law William Triplett. The location of Jacob in Stark Co., OH in 1827 (year of his death from other researchers records). Elizabeth married a third time in 1829 to a “Pence” so Jesse had lost both his mother and father so for him to move on to a new location seems feasible.

It is all circumstantial. A cousin looked for an obituary for Jesse in Whitley Co. and could not find one. I have requested Jacob’s will from Stark Co., OH to see if Jesse is listed in it.

I do not know any other way to connect our Jesse to Jacob’s family. The Sarah Hartzel that is supposed to be one of Jacob’s daughter’s lived in Noble Co., IN which is the county just north of Jesse Hertsel‘s Whitley Co., IN. She died in Whitley Co., IN. I know it is all circumstantial evidence. Hopefully over the next several months or however long I can find something that is more proven.

Thank you for anything you can add to this to help. Don’t feel bad if you can’t add anything. Sometimes these things are just about impossible to prove.

I have enclosed pictures that my husband and I took of the old George Hartzel home on Orchard Lane Rd. The owner was so nice to let us intrude on his time. It is a very nice home and amazing to think it was built around 1780-90. The owner said he did not think the story that the brick came from England is true. He said it is most probably a myth because it would have been impossible to do such a thing back then. Mainly transporting it from a port to the location of the house just could not have been done. So who knows. He said the brick was usually made right on the farm the house was located. There are bricks on one side of the house that have names of the past owners or people that have lived in the home. The one I could make out was “Smith”.

AREA HISTORY: History of Adams County, Chapter XL, Adams County, PA

MENALLEN TOWNSHIP.

The streams of this township are Conowago Creek, forming a part of the southern boundary, and its numerous northern feeders; Opossum Creek, rising in Bear Mountain and flowing north by east to Bendersville; thence southeast, and Mountain Creek which rises in the western foot hills of Piney Hill, flowing northeast into Cumberland County. There are many mountain streams coursing throughout the township, bringing a wealth of water to the higher lands and affording a full supply in all seasons to the settlers in the valleys.

The tax payers of this township in 1799, which then comprised a part of Butler Township, are named as follows, with the trade and assessed valuation given: George Hartzell, Jr. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,136 George Hartzell . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,359

Please find below a transcript [retyped as found printed in book] from the History of Adams County [1886] concerning the Bender's Church Grave Yard, Butler Twp.

Submitted by Donna HELLER ZINN

Among the old places of interment within the county, that known as Bender's Grave yard dates its beginning back in the last century. The first Geo. HARTZELL - 1824 Geo. J. HARTZELL - 1853

A couple years ago, one of my sons and I made a trip up to Pa to research both Leebrick and Hartzell sites. We located the Bender's church, now known as Biglerville Church, in York county, and found many Hartzell gravestones in the nearby cemetary. We were also able to locate the old Hartzell "mansion" house on Possum Creek, several miles away. As you may know, it was constructed with bricks imported from England, so it was quite a structure at the time. The current residents were not home when we visited, but the description of the home from almost 200 years ago makes the home very recognizable..

Good luck in your research.

Dave Leebrick

From: dianearek To: David Leebrick Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Thank you

Dave, I will do that. I do want more documentation on this. Thank you for the tip. I sent off an e-mail to the Adams County Genealogical Society for research on Church records at the church your records showed Bender's Lutheran Church in Butler Township, Adams Co., PA.

I am so grateful for your help. I have a few others in our direct line that would be interested in the Hartzel connection.

I have been reading your lists of Hartzel, Hartzell, Hertzel names. You have so much interesting data in all of it. Do you have the family tree style for all of this on Ancestry.com or some other site? Maybe I just haven't come across it yet. Your site is so nice. I know I will be looking at it for some time.

Again thank you for your time.

Diane Areklet

From: DAVID LEEBRICK Date: 9/30/2006 9:04:12 PM To: dianearek Subject: Re: Thank you

Diane,

I have had very good results with requesting copies of probate proceedings and wills from Pennsylvania counties, especially when I am able to provide specific book numbers, etc for the clerk to use. For Adams county, there is an index to their probate records at the Historical Society http://www.emmitsburg.net/achs/archives.htm . I would suggest that you write a letter to the society and ask them to search in the few months following November 1824 for wills or probate proceedings for Mr. Hartzell. The index will not have those documents, but will give you the locations of the documents. Then you can request from the county clerk, a copy of those specific pages, and it should work out pretty well for you. With a little luck, by Christmas, you should have all the documents that are available for Mr. Hartzell.

Good luck

David Leebrick

From: dianearek To: David Leebrick Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Thank you

David,

I want to tell you how much I appreciate all of your work. I am in the process of printing out all of the Hertzel, Hartzell etc that you have on your web site. I like it that they are in alphabetical order.

I have been so confused with the Hertzel families and I still am. They had such big families and used so many of the names over.

I think I am going to use Jacob as Jesse's father. I usually like to get more to go on but I think he is the one I am looking for. I will do more research.

Do you know if I could get a copy of the will from the county that the old John George Hartzel Sr lived when he died? Although even if Jacob was not listed in the will it does not mean he would not have been one of his children. You show on your record 15 children. I also found a family history by Barbara McCormick the Gritton/Johnston Genealogy that listed him with 15 children.

It is probably just as important to know he was christened in Bender's Union church. Plus John George Hartzel Sr. Died the same year that Jacob Hartzel died 1824. Jacob was gone to Ohio by 1820 and the father may not have wanted to name him in his will. At that time he would have known Jacob would not be interested in the land because he would not have been a first born son and the other possessions probably went to his other children that were living near him. Often that is why younger sons moved on to other lands because the oldest son got the farm.

Anyway, I am making this very long and I wanted to thank you for your work. I think we are probably very distant cousins.

Diane Areklet dianearek@@hughes.net

I have gotten much information from distant cousins and many interesting contacts.

Nov 17, 1824 On 3rd, George Hartzell, Sr., of Menallen. He had 17 children (13 are married) 100 grandchildren, 12 great-grandchildren – in all 129 – only 6 have died from: Adams County, PA Newspaper Extracts – Deaths

(updated and corrected 25 October 2000)

John George HARTZEL Sr.(944) (3664)(3689) was born on 8 Feb 1749 in Lower Saucon Twp, Northampton Cty, Pa. He died on 3 Nov 1824 in Menallen Township, Adams Co, Pa. Moved from Northampton Co Pa to Menallen Township, Adams County, Pa in 1824. Their first eight children were baptized at Dryland Church, Hectown, Bethlehem township, Northampton county, Pa located just north of Bethlehem. In 1780 they moved to then York county, Pa. In 1800, Adams county was set up out of York county, so the residence became Adams county. He owned a sawmill on Possum Creek that ran through the farm. His Revolutionary War record is as follows: Second Class in return of Captain John Santee's Company, 2nd Battalion of the Militia of Northampton county, Pa. He was discharged September 15, 1781 and moved to the farm on Opossum Creek. After the move, the family church was Bender's Lutheran Church, Butler township, Adams County, Pa.

In 1783 he was assessed for 150 acres of land and 8 persons were in his household. The Manor house was built about 1780 and was made of red brick that was brought from England. In the 1870's it was still well preserved and was still being lived in in the 1970s. His death notice in the Gettysburg Compiler, November 17, 1824 states this of George Hartzell: "Father of 17 children, 13 married, grandfather of 100 grandchildren and 12 great grandchildren".

According to "Kansas Pioneers", 'John George Sr and his family moved to what is now Menallen township, Adams county, Penn in 1780 where he died 3 Nov 1824. he built a house of red brick brought from England.'

In 1799, George Hartzell had property assessed at $1359.

A visit by Diane Hertsel-Areklet in October 2006, based on the directions found in George T. Hartzell's book, located the Hartzell house at 660 Orchard Drive, Aspers, Pa. Diane reported, in part, "(The current owner) gave us so much information about the home and was kind enough to let us see the inside main floor of the home. He said he has owned the house for 14 years and before that it was in such bad shape it was inhabitable. He has worked on it over those 14 years and it is a very nice home now. He said the farm has 72 acres with it. I asked him if he knew had owned the farm originally and he said a "Hartzel" and he thought it had been built around 1790. He said the kitchen part of the house is where the original log home was located. The house was gradually expanded from the log home to what it is today. There is a place on the backwall which indicates that the roof may have been a salt box style and then later expanded up to make the second story a full second story. The floors were all wood. He said that the rooms floors were all a different kind of wood. He thought he used the best wood for the public rooms of the house. He said that the wood floors were full length boards and not spliced which made him think the original owner must of had money. I told him I thought he had owned and operated a saw mill on the creek" There is a fireplace in the room just off from the side porch. A family room or keeping room. Diane wrote, "Mr. Baugher said that he could tell when he restored the room that the fireplace was much wider than it is today. It had a large fire box and looks larger than the picture shows". In all, there are three fireplaces in the house. "Fireplace in the dining room. This room was the next room to the keeping room. The house had 3 fireplaces downstairs and one upstairs." Based on the thickness of the interior walls, they must also be made of brick. Parents: Hans (John) George HERTZEL Jr. and Catharine SCHMETZER. Children were: Barbara HARTZEL , Christine HARTZEL, Matthew HARTZEL, John Phillip HARTZEL, John George HARTZEL Jr., Catharine HARTZEL, Leonard HARTZEL, Sarah HARTZEL, John HARTZEL, Elizabeth HARTZEL, Hannah HARTZEL, Jacob HARTZEL, Susanna HARTZEL, Mary HARTZEL, Henry HARTZEL.

John George Hartzel home Menallen Township, Adams Ccounty, PA

Cemetery at Bender's Lutheran Church

1. ↑ Edmund West, comp. Family Data Collection - Individual Records. (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000).

   Online publication - Edmund West, comp.. Family Data Collection - Individual Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000.

2. ↑ Edmund West, comp. Family Data Collection - Individual Records. (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000).

   Online publication - Edmund West, comp.. Family Data Collection - Individual Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000.

3. ↑ Edmund West, comp. Family Data Collection - Individual Records. (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000).

   Online publication - Edmund West, comp.. Family Data Collection - Individual Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000.