Family:Johan Fleischman and Mary Broyles (1)

Descendants of Johan Peter Fleischman, Sr.

Generation No. 1

1. JOHAN PETER3 FLEISCHMAN, SR. (CYRIACUS2, WELTIN1 FLEISCHMANN) was born 10 Apr 1708 in Germany, and died 1774 in Virginia. He married MARIA ELIZABETHA BROYLES Bef. 1730, daughter of JOHANNES BROYLES and URSULA RUOP. She was born Abt. 1716 in Oteisheim, Wurtemburg, Baden-Wurtemburg, Germany, and died in Virginia.

Notes for JOHAN PETER FLEISCHMAN, SR.: From "Thomas Wieland (Wayland) and related lines: (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~wayland/wayland/pafg13.htm#3015)

Peter FLEISCHMANN [Parents] was born on 10 Apr 1708 in , , Germany. He died in 1774 in , , Virginia. Peter married Maria Elisabetha BROYLES.

The four hundredth note in a series on the Germanna Colonies

The last note discussed the Second Colony in Germany and where the Barlows might be found. Going back to Virginia, there are three Barlow men who appear to have been born early in the eighteenth century, Jacob, Christopher, and Adam. Jacob and Christopher appear to be brothers and Adam may be another brother or he may be a cousin.

Adam is known to have married Mary Smith because Michael Smith gave land to his son-in-law, Adam Barlow. At the church there is a recorded baptism in which Adam and Mary Barlow are the parents.

Christopher is known to have married Catherine Fleshman, the daughter of Peter Fleshman and the granddaughter of Cyriacus Fleshman. Thus Christopher's wife and Adam's wife were first cousins once removed. That Catherine was the daughter of Peter Fleshman comes from the estate settlement of Peter. Participants in this were Adam Cook, Christopher Barlow, Christian (Christopher) Reiner, all sons-in-law, who joined with John and Peter Fleshman, sons of Peter Fleshman, Sr.

John Blankenbaker

Maria Elisabetha BROYLES [Parents] was born in Oteisheim, Wurtemburg, Baden-Wurtemburg, Germany and was christened on 5 Jul 1716 in Oteisheim, Wurtemburg, Baden-Wurtemburg, Germany. She died in , , VA and was buried in , , VA. Maria married Peter FLEISCHMANN.

I have not seen proof that she is wife of Peter, but it is alleged.

This was posted 9/99:

"As far as I know, no one has really proven who the wife of Peter FLEISCHMANN was. Some say she was Elizabeth BROYLES, others say Barbara TANNER -- but no proof of either. The presumption of Barbara Tanner is made because 1)the Tanner's were next-door neighbor's of the Fleischmann's and 2)several of Peter Fleischmann's children bore Tanner family given names. I lean toward Elizabeth Broyles but again, no real proof -- only conjecture."

They had the following children:

  M i Peter FLESHMAN Jr. 
  F ii Barbara FLESHMAN was born about 1732. 
  M iii John FLESHMAN 
  M iv Robert F. FLESHMAN was born in 1735.

The following line downward was posted 2/99:

Robert Fleshman 1735 Moses Fleshman 1761 Simeon Fleshman 1793 William G. Fleshman 1820 William T. Fleshman 1858 Floyd Leslie Fleshman 1884 (My Grandfather) Theodosia Belle Fleshman Seibert 1918 (My Mother) Brenda Seibert 1938 David Seibert 1961 Daniel Seibert 1991

Thank you Brenda Seibert brensei@jps.net

and "Carol Rose" posted 4/99:

I am trying to research my ancestry but am finding it difficult. I think........Veltin, Cyriacus, Hans Peter, Robert F., Moses, Susanna- Susanna married George Washington Osborne Susanna , my ggg/grandmother.

  F v Catherine FLESHMAN 
  F vi Elizabeth FLESHMAN 

Children of JOHAN FLEISCHMAN and MARIA BROYLES are:

• i. PETER4 FLEISCHMAN, JR., b. Abt. 1730; d. 1814, Monroe County, Virginia; m. WINIFRED SMITH; b. 1739, Orange County, Virginia; d. Madison County, Virginia.

Notes for PETER FLEISCHMAN, JR.: From Thomas Wieland (Wayland) and related lines: (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~wayland/wayland/pafg138.htm#3511)

Peter FLESHMAN Jr. [Parents] was born about 1730 in , , Virginia. He married Winifred SMITH.

In 10/98,from: Lewis Sanders Tuggle :

My paternal ancestory goes as follows: Parents - Lewis Henry Tuggle, Jr. & Janie Josephine Sanders, Grandparnets - Lewis Henry Tuggle & Dixie Dale Henderson, G Grandparents - Henry Harrison Tuggle & Esther Jane Calfee, 2G Grandparents - John Tuggle & EMILY FLEISCHMANN, 3G Grandparents - Larkin Tuggle & MALINDA SHUMATE, 4G Grandparents - Celia (Seela) Tuggle & an unknown man, 5G Grandparents - John Tuggle & Mary Houchens, 6G Grandparents - Henry Tuggle, Jr. & Mary Godbey, 7G Grandparents - Henry Tugwell & Mary Baskett, 8G Grandparents - Thomas Tugwell & Mary Tarrant, 9G Grandparents - Benjamin Tugwell & Maccha Tarrant.

The two ancestors above who are listed in all capital letters I believe are of German descent. EMILY FLEISCHMANN was the daughter of JOHN FLEISCHMANN & Nancy Dunn, JOHN FLEISCHMANN was the son of PETER FLEISCHMANN, JR.

Winifred SMITH was born about 1730. She married Peter FLESHMAN Jr..

• ii. BARBARA FLEISCHMAN, b. Abt. 1732; m. ADAM COOK.
• iii. JOHN FLEISCHMAN, b. Abt. 1734; m. ELIZABETH BLANKENBAKER; b. Abt. 1735.

Notes for JOHN FLEISCHMAN: From "Thomas Wieland (Wayland) and related lines": (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~wayland/wayland/pafg117.htm#2896)

John FLESHMAN [Parents] was born about 1734. He married Elizabeth BLANKENBAKER.

This was posted to the Germanna list 1/00:

I have Fleshman in my line. I will start with my grandmother and go back.

...Ida Lee Fleshman ...William Coleman Fleshman ...Moses Fleshman ...Zacharias Fleshman ...John Fleshman ..Peter Fleshman ...Cyriacus Fleshman (Fleischmann) ...veltin Fleischmann

All from in and around madison ...Culpeper Counties. Also I have William and Moses on census in the county of Hanover ,Virginia

Let me know if any of your Fleshman's are on this list and I will give you information I have. I would also appreciate any thing you may have and I would be happy to pay for copy as well as postage. Laura Watson

Elizabeth BLANKENBAKER was born about 1735. She married John FLESHMAN.

They had the following children:

  M i Ephraim FLESHMAN 

• iv. ROBERT F. FLEISCHMAN, b. Abt. 1735.
• v. CATHERINE FLEISCHMAN, b. Abt. 1736; m. CHRISTOPHER BARLOW; b. WFT Est. 1725-1735.
• vi. ELIZABETH FLEISCHMAN, b. Abt. 1738, Culpeper County, Virginia; m. JOHANN CHRISTIAN REINER, 1758, Virginia; b. 10 Apr 1718, Schwaigern, Wuttemberg, Germany; d. Bef. 15 Dec 1783, Culpeper County, Virginia.

Notes for JOHANN CHRISTIAN REINER: From "Thomas Wayland "Wieland" and related lines (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~wayland/wayland/pafg85.htm)

Christian REINER was born about 1735. He married Elizabeth FLESHMAN in 1758 in Virginia.

The below was posted 8/99, John Blankenbaker's Note #685:

Only one of the two surviving Reiner sons married, namely Christian. Anyone who has the surname Reiner, or its variants in spelling, would also be a descendant of Christian's wife who was Elizabeth Fleshman. She was the daughter of Peter Fleshman (Sr.) and his wife. Peter was the son of Cyriacus Fleshman and Anna Barbara Schön. (Recently, there were comments about the number of people and/or families who were descended from Anna Barbara. We can include essentially all of the surname Reiner in this group.)

The daughter, Mary Magdalena Reiner, married Nicholas Smith. Nicholas was not yet born when his parents left Gemmingen in 1717. Magdalena was born in 1720 and Nicholas was probably of a similar age. Since the Reiners came to America in 1749, probably both Nicholas and Magdalena were about thirty years of age when they married. That they did marry is borne out by the sponsorships at the German Lutheran Church. They were sponsors for George and Mary Sarah (Reiner) Cook in 1751, 1753, 1756, 1758, and 1768. The two wives were sisters.

Nicholas and Magdalena were communicants in 1775 and 1776. Nicholas died in 1797 and his will left his property to his sons, John, Nicholas, Michael, and Godfrey. In addition to these four sons, there may have been daughters. Tentatively, I have entered Barbara as a daughter of Nicholas and Magdalena.

Though it is a digression from the main theme of the note, it is noteworthy that Matthew Smith, the immigrant, had a joint land grant with Christopher Barlow. In the 1787 tax list, Michael Barlow was in the household of Nicholas Smith, Sr. There may be complications in the Smith ancestry that we do not understand.

Very little is known about Mary Margaret Reiner except that her brother's will (written 1803) refers to her as a "Withauer" or "Witham." This brother was Eberhard who never married. He left property to Margaret Witham (50 acres) and to his nephew Peter Witham (215 acres). In 1789, Peter Witham was a second tithable in the family of Eberhard. Peter Witham and his wife, May, deeded away on 28 Aug 1806 the land that his uncle left him.

Reiners are to be found in the church records of Schwaigern back to about 1600. Zimmerman and Cerny in the Before Germanna booklets have more information on this early history.

John Blankenbaker (john@germanna.com)

Nr. 686:

The only Reiner son of Johann Dietrich Reiner, the immigrant, to have children was Johann Christian who is sometimes called Christian or even Christopher. Johann Christian married Elizabeth Fleshman, daughter of Peter Fleshman. He wrote his will on 3 Sep 1777, though it was not probated until 1783. In the will he mentions his wife Elizabeth, his sons, John, Daniel, and Christian (noted as the youngest), and his daughters Mary, Elizabeth, and Sarah. Executors were his wife, Elizabeth, John Fleshman (Elizabeth's brother), Jacob Mosley, and his (Johann Christian's) son John Riner.

The son, John Reiner, was born about 1755 to 1760 and he died in Madison County, VA about 1820. His wife was named Lydia. She and the children moved to Monroe Co., VA (now WV) after John Reiner's death. Apparently John left no will, and the distribution of his estate was made by the court. Lydia Riner ("Riner" is a popular spelling variation) was to receive one-third of the property and the remainder was to be divided, in equal parts, among Simeon; Elizabeth; Hannah; Polly; Zachariah Broyle, from the rights of his wife Susanna Riner; Absalom Broyles, from the rights of his wife Lucy; John McDaniel, from the rights of his wife Sally; Fanny; and Pheba. Five of the daughters were not married when their father, John Reiner, died.

The son, Daniel, of Christian Reiner, and brother of the John in the preceding paragraph, married Elizabeth Fleshman, his first cousin. (She was the daughter of John Fleshman and Elizabeth Blankenbaker.) Daniel was born about 1761, as he was confirmed at church in 1785 at the age of 23. In the census of 1850, Elizabeth (Fleshman) Reiner was still living in Madison Co., and she gave her age as 94. This would put her birth at about 1756, making her about five years older than her husband. While this is possible, it should also be taken as a warning that some of the dates may not be correct. The will of Daniel was dated 1839, and probated in March 1839. In the will, the wife Elizabeth is mentioned, plus the son Jacob, and the daughter Margaret Riner. Other children are John, Aaron, and Ephraim. Though the daughter Sarah is not mentioned in the will, her birth is recorded at the Hebron church on 29 Nov 1791.

In the family of Daniel, above, Margaret Reiner is in the 1850 census, in her mother's household and unmarried. She was born in 1788, according to the church records, so it appears she left no descendants. Ephraim was also in his mother's household, in the 1850 census. There is no known record of a marriage of Ephriam. (There was a Nancy Reiner, age 25, in the household of Elizabeth Reiner in the 1850 census, who was possibly a granddaughter of Elizabeth, but her line of descent is unknown.)

The note today repeats some of the information that Dan Cook submitted recently.

The six hundred and eighty-eighth note in a series on the Germanna Colonies

Prof. Holtzclaw had some information on the later generations of Riners, most of it from correspondents. We are now in the fourth generation from Johann Dietrich, the immigrant who is the first generation.

Simeon Reiner (John, Christian, Johann Dietrich) was born in 1799 (by the census) and died after 1850 in Monroe Co., now a part of WV. It is said that he went to WV with his mother and seven sisters. He married, first, Mary Thompson and, second, Jane Brown in 1847. By the first marriage he had eleven children. One of these, a girl, married Allen Fleshman. By the second marriage there were three children. In the 1850 census, the family was Simeon Riner (51), Jane (30), Catherine (23), Nancy (18), John (16), Samuel (14), Lewis (12), Emeline (11), James (9) and Henry (1). Other children were Jureta who married Allen Fleshman (John, Peter, Peter, Cyriacus) and three more from the first marriage whose names are unknown. From the second marriage, there were Henry and two others, names unknown.

John Reiner (Daniel, Christian, Johann Dietrich) was born 8 Jul 1789, in Madison Co., VA and died 4 Oct 1872 in Franklin Co., KY. He served in the War of 1812. He married, first, in Orange Co., VA Frances Ann Overton (14 Aug 1798) on 12 Dec 1817. She was the daughter of Obadiah and Eleanor (Crow) Overton. John married, second, in Franklin Co., KY Mrs. Elizabeth Kephart, a widow formerly of Maryland, by whom he had no children.

Issue of John Reiner and Frances Ann Overton:

Horace Madison Reiner, b. 24 Feb 1819, m. Lydia Lecompte, Mildred Ellin Reiner, b. 4 Jan 1821, m. George Lusby, James Albert Reiner, b. 4 Aug 1823, m. 8 Feb 1849, Angelina Gibson, Louisa Elizabeth Reiner, b. 1 Nov 1825, m. Sim Buford, Jane Amady Reiner, b. 4 Mar 1827 (the last child born in VA), m. John E. Wright, John Monroe Reiner, b. 14 Mar 1829 in Franklin Co., KY, m. 15 Dec 1863 Margaret A. Smither, America Frances Reiner, b. 7 Dec 1831, m. 27 Dec 1855, Robert F. Penn, Sidney Reiner, b. 1833 (some say she was a twin of James Albert), m. Matthew Clark, Thomas Davis Reiner, b. 7 Dec 1835, Charles Noah Reiner, b. 28 Oct 1840, m. Mary E. Johnson.

John Blankenbaker (john@germanna.com) P.O. Box 120, Chadds Ford, PA 19317-0120

Elizabeth FLESHMAN [Parents] was born about 1738. She married Christian REINER in 1758 in Virginia.

Posted 8/99:

This is a bit of what I've pieced together on this particular Reiner family, but I'm looking for more on any Reiner's if anyone would just happen to have any loose ends that I'm missing. I believe the son John (#5) to be the John Riner that moved to Monroe Co. Virginia (WVa.) before 1819 and 3 of his daughters married son's of Peter Broyles (b. abt. 1837) s/o Jacob Broyles b. 1705, Germany, so anything that relates to this John (my 4x's gr grandfather) would be much appreciated. Dan Cook COOKERLP@AOL.COM

1. Elizabeth FLEISCHMANN, daughter of Johann (Hans) Peter FLEISCHMANN and Maria Elizabeth BROYLES, was born in Culpeper Co., Virginia about 1738. She married Johann Christian REINER in Virginia, 1758. Christian and Elisabetha REINER were communicants at Hebron Church 1777-1782. Christian was born in Schwaigern, Wüttemberg, Germany April 10, 1718. Johann was the son of Johann (Hans) Dieterich REINER and Maria Margaretha SCHLEICHER. Johann died before December 15, 1783 in Culpepper County, Virginia. Referred to as John Christopher or Christopher by some researchers.

Elizabeth FLEISCHMANN and Christian REINER had the following children all mentioned in his will:

2 i. Mary REINER. She married George RYAN. 3 ii. Elizabeth REINER. She married Jacob BLANKENBAKER. 4 iii. Sarah REINER. 5 iv. John RINER was born after 1758. John's brother Daniel Reiner and his wife Elizabeth were sponsers at John's daughter Susannahs' Baptism. 6 v. Daniel REINER was born in Culpeper Co., Virginia January 1, 1760. Daniel died about 1839 in Madison, Virginia. He married Elizabeth FLEISCHMANN in Madison, Virginia, October 17, 1786. 7 vi. Christian REINER was born in Virginia about 1760/61.

They had the following children:

  M i Daniel REINER