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-==Description [15 July 2010]==+Old topics have been archived: [[WeRelate talk:Support/2011|2011]] [[WeRelate talk:Support/2012|2012]] [[WeRelate talk:Support/2013|2013]]
-This page is for answering new user questions.+== GEDCOM import - More than 24 hours for review [16 April 2014] ==
 +Didn't note the time when I uploaded my Gedcom but its got to be more than 48 hours ago. This is poor, especially when the purpose of this exercise is to compare WeRelate to Wikitree before making a choice. The people at Wikitree are very responsive.--[[User:Innesaj|Innesaj]] 14:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
-===If you have a question===+I still new to this site. I think I done everything right but I am still waiting for more than 24 hours for Admin review of my gedcom. Can some advise me what may or maynot have done wrong?--[[User:Myfamilytree|Myfamilytree]] 15:31, 10 May 2013 (EDT)
-1) Bookmark this page for later, otherwise known as 'Add to Favorites'.<br>+
-2) If you have a basic question that you think all users should know, and you have not already done so, go to the [http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Main_Page Home] page (link at the top of this page) and view the Tours & Tutorials.<br>+----
 +Hello,
-3) Search for an already existing answer to your question (unless you need someone else to search for it for you sometime). Be sure to try synonyms for key words like Help, Forum, '[[WeRelate talk:Watercooler|Watercooler]]', FAQ, query, or town, city, village, community, neighborhood, or map, chart, location, place, .... Whoever wrote an answer might have been thinking of a similar but different situation or application. <br>+WeRelate relies on people volunteering their time and effort to ensure a degree off quality in the genealogy you find here. This means that sometimes it takes longer then we would like for gedcom reviews to occur but there are positives to this. One of the greatest things about this site is that on werelate you are truly collaborating with others and not just duplicsting the same people as you share information.--[[User:JeffreyRLehrer|JeffreyRLehrer]] 16:10, 11 May 2013 (EDT)
-4) If you fail to find a good answer, click on the '[http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=WeRelate_talk:Support&action=edit&section=new Add topic]' link to the left. Your question will be added as a new topic at the bottom of this page. You'll receive an email when someone edits this page and (hopefully) answers your question. +Perhaps the admins could think of something that could be done to manage this situation - perhaps agreeing some kind of target "service level" or messaging people if the delay is over, say, a day, to say "please be patient, we are busy and have x GEDCOMs above you in the queue" [[User:AndrewRT|AndrewRT]] 17:35, 30 May 2013 (EDT)
-If you have follow-on questions after receiving an answer, scroll down to your question and click on the '''edit section''' link on the right side of the page. Post your follow-on questions at the bottom of the section and save the page.+::It could be noted that Rakirkwood has now waited for a week for his first import to be reviewed. I've waited less than 24 hours, so I'm not complaining for myself, but it doesn't look hopeful. ;-) Maybe more Admins are needed? --[[User:Regebro|Lennart]] 12:24, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
 +:::Additional volunteers are always welcome! I would like to note the date on the GEDCOM review page is the date the user uploaded their file, not the date it was submitted for admin review. Users generally take some time reviewing their file and processing Family Matches before submitting it for upload. WeRelate does strive to process GEDCOM files within 24 hours, but, since this site is volunteer based, that can take a bit longer in some instances. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 12:33, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
-Once your question has been answered, click on the '''Unwatch''' link that will appear above to stop being notified when other users edit this page.+::::Aha. That looked like a big import as well, so maybe things aren't as bad as they looked. That's good to hear. --[[User:Regebro|Lennart]] 12:40, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
-If you have a comment or a suggestion for a new feature instead of a question, please post it to the [[WeRelate talk:Watercooler|Watercooler]].+----
-You may want to review the [[Help:Contents|Main Help Page]] and [[Help:FAQ|Frequently Asked Questions Page]] for general WeRelate issues. You may also want to review the [[Portal:Community|WeRelate Community Portal]] to find out what's happening at WeRelate, read and participate in ongoing discussions, join a WeRelate project, make announcements, invite collaborators, ask questions, and learn what tasks need to be done.+----
 +I am curious about a specific lineage. How can I find out who the contributors are so as to collaborate with them?--[[User:Pjceditor|Pjceditor]] 14:47, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 +:Select History in the left-hand panel and you will see all the user names who added or edited a page. Select a user link, then select their Talk page and leave a note there.--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 03:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
-:OLD questions have been archived at [[WeRelate talk:Support/2009]] and [[WeRelate talk:Support/2010]].+----
 +Did my GEDCOM 'fall thru the cracks'? It's been 4-5 weeks.--[[User:Diane Hosler|Diane Hosler]] 19:02, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 +:It looks like it did fall through the cracks. I'll follow up on this. Thank-you for letting me know. I apologize for the wait.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 22:07, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
-:NEW questions? Please select "<font color=blue>Add topic</font>" from the menu within the top left block of this page.+== Naming person pages [30 May 2013] ==
-== Image Behavior [1 August 2010] ==+If a person Alex Bob Smith is usually known by his middle name Bob, should his person page be named Alex Smith or Bob Smith? (A well-known real-life example would be (Williard) Mitt Romney.) -- [[User:Ypnypn|Ypnypn]] 20:58, 23 May 2013 (EDT)
 +:Genealogically speaking, it's probably a better idea to have the page title reflect a person's "legal" name, since that's what is more likely to appear on official documents. But remember that you can add as many variants (spelling differences, nicknames, adoptions, or whatever) on the Person page as "alternate names." (Don't add married names for women; those are taken care of automatically.) They will then show up in search results. I do this frequently with surnames that are habitually misspelled by census enumerators, so someone new to the family can find them, and thus discover what the "correct" name is. --<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:20px;">[[User:Mksmith|Mike]]</font><font color="purple" size="2.5" face="papyrus"><sup>[[User Talk:Mksmith|Talk]]</sup> </font> 09:10, 30 May 2013 (EDT)
-I really like the way that referencing an image causes a thumbnail to show up in the reference section. I also very much like the fact that if the image is associated with a reference it is not displayed in the image section. However, it would appear that whatever is suppressing the referenced images is also suppressing all images. See [[Person:Charles Black (11)]]. While all of the referenced images are handled properly, none of the dozen or so photos is shown anymore. Is this an error, or is there a new way to do this?--[[User:Srblac|srblac]] 13:18, 10 July 2010 (EDT)+== Sources [9 June 2013] ==
-:According to the section in the [[WeRelate talk:Watercooler|Watercooler]] pertaining to the [[WeRelate_talk:Watercooler#Footnotes.2C_Sources.2C_Images.2C_and_Notes_.5B7_June_2010.5D|"'''New look for WeRelate'''"]] Dallan says to use the "<nowiki><show_sources_images_notes/></nowiki>" tag to display sources, images, and notes at a specific location on a page, but I tried adding it to your page above and it did not seem to show up on the edited version. Since there still may be some adjustments and refinements in the new page features, hopefully Dallan or another user will be better able to assist. I have the same situation on one of the pages I am actively working on. --[[User:BobC|BobC]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (EDT)+How are we supposed to add sources if we uploaded a tree as a GED file and the sources did not carry over?
-::I played around with it some more. If I had it open in edit mode, added an image reference to a source and then hit "Show preview" the page displayed as desired, the image gallery was displayed and the image thumbnail called out in the reference. I could do this repeatedly, adding images to source references, hitting "show preview" and the page would update appropriately. However, once I hit "save" the images gallery disappeared and I could not get it back.--[[User:Srblac|srblac]] 22:00, 12 July 2010 (EDT)+All 4 of the trees that I uploaded had sources attached to them but when they uploaded the sources were not carried over then another member went through my trees and made changes without my authorization and stating that I had "no sources" which is not true. Now all of my data that I have spent years collecting, researching and SOURCING has been changed.
-:::I too played with the [[Person:Amalia Schlichting (1)|person page]] I was working on and having like trouble with some more, but not getting the images to show I created an image gallery manually (e.g. ''<nowiki><gallery> <br> [[Image:<first image>|Caption]] <br> [[Image:<second image>|Caption]] <br> ... </gallery></nowiki>'') so the images would be visible outside the mini-thumbnail source references until a fix is made. --[[User:BobC|BobC]] 06:19, 13 July 2010 (EDT)+I don't really understand how any member can make unauthorized changes to someone else's data without the tree owner's approval. Additionally, some of our families have kept family bible that have extensive records in them that no one else may have access to...--[[User:LEnde1018|LEnde1018]] 00:20, 9 June 2013 (EDT)
-::::This is definitely a bug. I'll try to fix it later today. Thank-you for reporting it.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 09:41, 22 July 2010 (EDT)+----
 +I'm just another user, so these are not "official" statements, and I may stand to be corrected.
-:::::Fixed finally. [[Person:Charles Black (11)|Nice page]] by the way.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 19:14, 25 July 2010 (EDT)+First, WeRelate is about collaborative research, so no one "owns" a person page. If you are registered to "watch" a page (automatic if you created the page), you will be notified whenever someone makes an addition or change. Where there are conflicts in the data, the users can use the talk page to understand each other's sources, and perhaps come to a consensus. You can also include alternate dates, etc. so that other researchers know when sources do not agree.
-It now works just like I hoped it would! Thanks for the fix and thanks for the compliment.+Second, regarding sources not getting uploaded. I have experienced this myself, and it is not a WeRelate issue, but an issue with the way I exported the data to create a GED file. If you use a text editor to review the GED you created, you should see lines with an SOUR tag. These are your sources. If there are no SOUR tags in the GED, try changing settings from your program until sources are exported. Another way to recognize the problem is once the GED file is uploaded and you are in the review process. If the Sources tab has no data, then none were uploaded. When this happens to me, I delete the file and start over.
-== This file is larger than the maximum allowable size for a GEDCOM [10 July 2010] ==+When I begin to review a newly uploaded file, I have found it pays to quickly review all of the tabs to ensure they contain data, before working thru each one sequentially. It is a real pain to fix all of the places (match them to existing WeRelate places) only to find I have to delete the file and start over.
-When I tried to upload my GEDCOM, I got the error message: "This file is larger than the maximum allowable size for a GEDCOM" There are fewer than 8,000 people in my data which is not all that large. It was created in The Master Genealogist and has always uploaded okay to Ancestry.com and other sites. So, is there an easy solution? Or what did I do wrong?--[[User:PBVB|PBVB]] 16:29, 10 July 2010 (EDT)+It is also worth the effort to match places, sources and families during the review process, so that you do not have as many manual changes to make on each person and family page after you complete the upload. And yes, I do review each page after I upload them because my program does no map data to the fields I think should be used. If I have done the work up front during the review process, then final clean up of each page goes very quickly. My program does allow me to flag records I have selected for export, so that I have a working list for this manual review.
-:You didn't do anything wrong, the limit is by design. When you upload here, unlike Ancestry.com, your pages are community pages that (preferably) reference common source and place pages, and there is only one page per person. Therefore, when you upload, you need to go through the process of matching people in your file to existing pages, matching places, and matching sources. This is a detailed process that would be overwhelming with a gedcom that large, and in truth, any gedcom over several hundred people. For that reason, we strongly recommend that you start by hand editing a few pages that interest you, then upload your information in smaller chunks. For more information on the gedcom process, see [[Help:Before you import your GEDCOM]].--[[User:Amelia.Gerlicher|Amelia]] 16:43, 10 July 2010 (EDT)+When I have completed the upload, review, import and manual review process, I can then sit back and wait for a fellow researcher to "find" my pages and make their own contributions to them.
-== Appears that double year dates are being incorrectly interpreted [25 July 2010] ==+Where does this leave you with the "sourceless" pages? You can generate a new GED file that does include the SOUR tags, and upload it. You will then need to merge the new data to the existing person and family pages. Experiment with a small number of these so that you understand the merge process. You can deselect data from either the person page or the new upload so that it is not included in the updated page. This will prevent two of everything being created. For example, where a data element is exactly the same, such as a name of date, keep the new one you upload because it will include your source. You can deselect the original field that had no source. If the original already has a source, play around to understand how to keep both of them. You don't want to delete someone else's source, you just want to add your sources to the documentation for the page.
-In trying some GEDCOM imports, it seems that the processor is incorrectly interpreting dates. A date like Jan 1675/76 (an old style Julian date) should be considered equivalent to Jan 1676, but it seems to be treated as if it was Jan 1675. This shows up in cases where there is a birth in Dec 1675, and then a baptism in Jan 1675/76, a warning is emitted for an event occurs before birth, when the events are actually in a very realistic order.--[[User:Richard Damon|Richard_Damon]] 23:19, 11 July 2010 (EDT)+Sorry this is so long. Don't be discouraged by the learning curve. I have invested a lot of time in uploading thousands of person pages, and would do it again. However, I continue to find ways to make the process go faster. It is worth the effort.--[[User:RGMoffat|RGMoffat]] 01:15, 9 June 2013 (EDT)
-:Yes, you are right. I believe it also ignores the qualifier such as AFT, BEF, etc. Fixing this is on the To Do List: [[WeRelate:ToDo List#Person/Family pages 3]], bullet 10. There is also a request in the queue to convert all input dates into a standard format. I am not sure when or how these will get implemented. If there are serious issues caused by this, you might post examples here or on [[WeRelate talk:Watercooler]] but, I think you've encountered about the biggest issue this causes. --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 09:35, 12 July 2010 (EDT)+== list of alternate spellings of names [9 October 2013] ==
-::I addressed the qualifier issues (aft, bef, etc) a few weeks ago, but I didn't take into account that 1675/76 should be interpreted as 1676. I'll fix that today or tomorrow. (Since the warnings have already been calculated for your GEDCOM they won't go away, but you can ignore them). Thank-you for letting me know.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 09:41, 22 July 2010 (EDT)+Where is Dallan's list of alternate spellings of names? I need to add some alt spellings. I understand if they are added to the that list, the search engine will find the right page even if all the alt spellings aren't on the person's page. --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 12:31, 18 June 2013 (EDT)
-:::OS/NS dates should be interpreted correctly now, and before/after dates are now handled better during GEDCOM uploads.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 19:14, 25 July 2010 (EDT)+----
 +http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Special:Names
 +[[User:JeffreyRLehrer|JeffreyRLehrer]] 19:09, 18 June 2013 (EDT)
-== Printing [25 July 2010] ==+== Naming Convention [22 June 2013] ==
-When I try to print out a page (File Print Preview) - the new format prints with the "more" expanding into the user page messing it up. Is there some way to fix this, or another way to print? see [[Person:Wiley Pollard (1)]] +What's preferred -- Abraham van der Meulen OR Abraham Van der Meulen OR Abraham Van Der Meulen? Thanks!--[[User:FranklySpeaking|Frank]] 16:53, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
 +:It can depend on where the person was from. Convention in the Netherlands would be van der Meulen. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 17:14, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
-Thanks, Pam--[[User:Txbluebell6|Txbluebell6]] 21:10, 12 July 2010 (EDT)+== Sub-catagories not showing on Category page [6 July 2013] ==
-:I'll fix this today or tomorrow. Thank-you for letting me know.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 09:41, 22 July 2010 (EDT)+I have created a number of categories pages for counties in Ontario, Canada, but they do not show up on the "Category:Ontario, Canada" page. My most recent addition was "Category:Renfrew, Ontario, Canada" I have reviewed in edit mode the sub-categories that do show up and cannot see where the problem is.
-::This is fixed now. The menus should no longer appear on printed pages.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 19:14, 25 July 2010 (EDT)+What am I missing?--[[User:RGMoffat|RGMoffat]] 17:43, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
 +:The Renfrew category does appear within the Ontario category, but not on the first page. You need to press the ''next 200'' link a bunch of times to get past the P articles that appear in the category to see the R subcategory link. [http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Ontario%2C_Canada&from=R Here is a quicker link] to where Renfrew appears. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 07:01, 6 July 2013 (EDT)
-== Place outline? [22 July 2010] ==+----
 +Go figure! I expected all sub-categories to be listed on the first page, before the Places. There are three of them there. Obviously, they all occur alphabetically before "P." Maybe this can be added to a wish list somewhere along the line.
-Is there a way to make a place outline as is typical of WikiMapia, is stead of just a vague pointer to the centroid or possibly a misleading or ambiguous street address?<BR>--[[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 14:48, 15 July 2010 (EDT)+Thank you for responding. I had left an earlier note (last year) on a different talk page, but it was never answered. I need to remember to use the support page in the future.--[[User:RGMoffat|RGMoffat]] 09:52, 6 July 2013 (EDT)
-:That's a really cool idea. Currently no. Would you want to assign the outline to a place in general (in which case we might need to also store a year-range for which the outline was valid?), or to a particular event on a person/family page? Please add your suggestion to the [[WeRelate:ToDo List]].--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 09:41, 22 July 2010 (EDT)+== Clean-up of Cemetery Name Variants [15 July 2013] ==
-== Preventing wrap in text box [6 September 2010] ==+During my earlier data uploads, I used cemetery names as found in various sources. I have now confirmed that the following are all the same cemetery:
-I have a lot of transcripts that need to go into the text box of a MySource. My problem is that the lines are automatically wrapping - destroying readability of form entries. Is there any way to prevent this short of having to add a break at the end of every line? Code, pre and nowiki tags don't work.+< nowiki >Place:Country Cemetery, Georgetown, Miller, Dearborn, Indiana, United States< nowiki >
-Example page: [[MySource:Jlanoux/Funeral File of Anna Parish Woody]] --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 21:01, 24 July 2010 (EDT)+
-:I just changed the pre tags to code (lowercase). It seems to work well for me. What do you think?--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 19:38, 25 July 2010 (EDT)+< nowiki >Place:Georgetown Cemetery, Georgetown, Miller, Dearborn, Indiana, United States< nowiki >
-::Ok, I see what you're talking about. Lines that start with spaces are still not formatted correctly, even with the code tags. The problem is that mediawiki formats lines that start with spaces as pre, instead of code, and because a lot of imported notes start with spaces, we want to wrap pre tags. The trick is to use '''both''' code and nowiki tags. That does the trick. +
-::There will be a better solution for this eventually, where we can just use pre tags and have them do the right thing, but we have to wait until people migrate from IE7 to IE8 because the solution doesn't work in IE7. In the meantime go ahead and use both code and nowiki tags, because that will always work.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 19:46, 25 July 2010 (EDT)+< nowiki >Place:Georgetown Cemetery, Dearborn, Indiana, United States< nowiki >
-:::This is great. Thanks for fixing the page. Now I can go to town creating more pages. I wasn't getting any messages from WR and just now realized that with all the playing around with email changes, all of the notification boxes had gotten unchecked. I was wondering why it was so quiet. I guess I better go check my watch list. --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 20:28, 30 July 2010 (EDT)+I have re-linked person pages to the last entry in the above list.
-::::For anyone who's interested, the MySource page for Anna's funeral home file (noted above) is now more or less complete, with full transcript and images of all items in the file, formatted for readability. This page makes a good example of how source pages on WeRelate could (can) be used as full-blown repositories of the complete details of a source, for the use of all. --<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:20px;">[[User:Mksmith|Mike]]</font><font color="purple" size="2.5" face="papyrus"><sup>[[User Talk:Mksmith|Talk]]</sup> </font> 08:01, 4 September 2010 (EDT)+Please delete the first two place pages so that they do not get used in the future.
-:::::Mike, I think this is an excellent example showing the use of MySource pages. I added this as a featured page on the [[Portal:MySource]].--[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 14:57, 6 September 2010 (EDT)+
-== Warnings [27 July 2010] ==+In addition, when I created a place page for the historical community of Georgetown, I included the township name (Miller) in the place name. I realize this is non-standard, but I cannot rename the page because of existing links. Can an admin do this?
-I have a small gedcom waiting for review with 9 warnings "child born less than nine months apart". This is kind of difficult to correct because each family has only one child! I won't proceed with the review until somebody can explain the warnings. It is my only gedcom at the moment - name: Farrall Leslie.+Sorry to cause extra work.
-My own software has the same criteria and nothing showed when I ran it.--[[User:HLJ411|HLJ411]] 21:47, 26 July 2010 (EDT)+
-:Not sure if this may be the cause, but I noticed you did not review, edit and save the person entries first and then the family entries next, etc. I think the GEDCOM upload function is designed to have the uploader go through the tabs one at a time in the order presented. I know you can bounce around and between the tabs when presented with information that may change previously edited informaiton, but try going through the process in the order presented. I think the warnings are advisory as a reminder to review the information uploaded in your file rather than mandatory (or on the other end of the scale, perfunctory), so reviewing them one-by-one might clear up those notices. --[[User:BobC|BobC]] 08:15, 27 July 2010 (EDT)+
-::Thank-you for letting me know about this problem! It was introduced a couple of days ago when I tried to improve how approximate dates are handled. I've fixed the bug and removed the warnings. (FWIW, you're encouraged to go through the tabs in the order they appear, but it's ok to jump around if you want.)--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 14:19, 27 July 2010 (EDT)+
-== Person Page for Julie Nixon [28 July 2010] ==+Rick Moffat--[[User:RGMoffat|RGMoffat]] 17:51, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
-[[Person:Julie Nixon (1)|Julie Nixon]], daughter of Pres. Nixon, has a Person page, which shows her as having died in 1995. She, of course, is still living. I tried to delete the incorrect death info, but got the error message that living people cannot have a Person page. Should this page be deleted or should it be redone as the other "Living Nixon" pages? Also, I just noticed that there is a Person page for Tricia Nixon. -- [[User:Ajcrow|Amy]] 09:58, 28 July 2010 (EDT) 
-:There are person pages for living presidents and their wives under the notable people/Wikipedia exception (basically it's silly to worry about their privacy when their birthdate/place/parents are splashed everywhere, and the benefit of being able to link to them outweighs). Technically the same policy applies to [[wikipedia:Julie Nixon Eisenhower|Julie]], particularly given her husband. The way to fix is to put a question mark or note in the death date [[Person:Barack Obama (2)|like this]].--[[User:Amelia.Gerlicher|Amelia]] 10:16, 28 July 2010 (EDT) 
-== Husband's data not showing up on family page [31 July 2010] ==+== More than 24 hours has passed and still no GEDCOM review [17 July 2013] ==
-Can anyone tell why Francis Nixon's info isn't appearing on his [[Family:Francis Nixon and Hannah Milhous (1)|Family page with Hannah Milhous]]? He has a Person page and the Family page has the correct link. -- [[User:Ajcrow|Amy]] 10:50, 28 July 2010 (EDT)+Is there a delay in this process? This is my first import and I have yet 3 more to do.
 +Also is there any reason why you cannot continue to upload multiple GEDCOM rather than wait for the previous import to be reviewed?--[[User:Plapic|Plapic]] 18:53, 16 July 2013 (EDT)
-:There's a lag on updating (sometimes?) where the family page isn't necessarily changed when the person page changes, or vice versa, but at any rate, I fixed it by just making a minor edit on the person page.--[[User:Amelia.Gerlicher|Amelia]] 11:04, 28 July 2010 (EDT)+----
 +I noticed the WeRelate server was very slow yesterday. That could be the problem.
-::What Amelia did is the right thing to do. There was a bug in early versions of the merge function so that if you merged someone who had birth/death information into someone who did not, the birth/death information wasn't copied over into the family pages. This bug has been fixed, but I need to write a program to review all of the pages and copy information that didn't get copied over. Until this program is written, updating the birth/death information on person page causes it to be copied.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 13:01, 31 July 2010 (EDT)+Just another WR user. --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 04:55, 17 July 2013 (EDT)
-== Duplicate [28 July 2010] ==+== Handling Unwed Mothers [17 July 2013] ==
-There are two duplicate pages for Marcus Joseph Wright. He was married twice. His first wife was Martha Spencer Elcan. I managed to fix the Family page so it shows two wives. There was another Person page showing him married to Pauline Womack. I am not sure how to change someone else's page. I put in a person page for him with info. Can these two pages be merged now or should I have used the other person page and put in all the info? Thanks.--[[User:Suzyq|Suzyq]] 16:48, 28 July 2010 (EDT)+My grandfather never knew who his father was, so what's the best way of linking him to his mother. I feel like I shouldn't add a family record since there is no husband/father, but it seems that it's the only way to link him to his mother. (Although, I am new here and haven't quite worked out even all the simple details.)--[[User:Artbasement|Artbasement]] 14:09, 17 July 2013 (EDT)
 +:Adding a family page is correct. When you add the page, keep the husband's name fields blank and enter the mother's name. The page will then be titled Unknown and {mother's name}. An example of this type of setup is [[Family:Unknown and Aaltje Faber (1)]]. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 14:17, 17 July 2013 (EDT)
-:Yes, you can merge. In the end, there should be one page for Marcus, one for each of his wives, and one family page for each couple. It looks like if you go to [[Family:Marcus Wright and Pauline Womack (1)|this page]] and use the more -> compare husbands link, you can merge the Marcus pages and everything will be as it should be.--[[User:Amelia.Gerlicher|Amelia]] 23:17, 28 July 2010 (EDT)+== Request - re-locate Hollywood [21 July 2013] ==
-== Attaching brothers without parents [29 July 2010] ==+Hello. I would like to see [[Place:Hollywood, Los Angeles, California, United States]] moved to [[Place:Hollywood, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, United States]] as Hollywood is a district within the city of Los Angeles, rather than just an unknown location type in the county of Los Angeles. Thanks for your help. I found I could not rename as there are subordinate pages. --[[User:Ceyockey|ceyockey]] 11:29, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
-I have Lionel Elcan and his relatives listed. He has a brother and a wife whom I would like to add to Lionel. Should I show a father as Unknown Elcan and Unknown Unknown mother and then add the brother as a child on their family page? Thanks.--[[User:Suzyq|Suzyq]] 23:21, 29 July 2010 (EDT)+== Project pages - researching an individual [29 July 2013] ==
-:You can create a family page Unknown Elcan and Unknown, and add the brother to that page. Don't create pages for the unknown parents.--[[User:Amelia.Gerlicher|Amelia]] 23:48, 29 July 2010 (EDT)+I saw the video and it mentioned setting up project pages. I have a research problem of trying to sorting out the identities of two men named James Behan to determine if they are in fact the same man. Another person is working with me on the project and we hope to get other descendants involved. I'd like to upload documents, images, notes, etc that would help us all analyze the problem.
-== Suggestion for Naming [12 August 2010] ==+Is a project page the way to do this? If we have death certificates, census records, immigration records and the like, what is the best way to upload those? I'm confused by the choices on the Add dropdown because it seems to relate more to books, etc when asking for description of the object.
-I think it would be a good idea to add a new category to the name section. You could call it Familiar Name, Nickname, etc. I have a lot of people with the same name. Most of them were called by a nickname or a different name. I have been using Alternate Name. That is the only place it fits.+Thanks for your help.--[[User:Karen1|karen1]] 16:06, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
-Please pass along my suggestion. Thanks.--[[User:Suzyq|Suzyq]] 01:01, 2 August 2010 (EDT)+:Hi Karen. I would suggest two alternatives: first create a person page with the information on for each of the two (possibly identical) people and add all the information to the pages. Just click on these two links - [[Person:James_Behan_(3)]] and [[Person:James_Behan_(4)]] (assuming first your person isn't either [[Person:James_Behan_(1)]] or [[Person:James_Behan_(2)]]!) and then click "Edit" on left. I would use "Add -- Image" personally for death certificates and upload a scanned image. Then either create text in the main box on one of the person pages and set out the case for and against these people being the same person. Alternatively, create an article in Mainspace to discuss the issue (perhaps [[James Behan question]]) and set it out there. Hope this helps. [[User:AndrewRT|AndrewRT]] 18:26, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
-:I've added it to [[WeRelate:ToDo List|the todo list]].--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 16:14, 4 August 2010 (EDT)+== Please delete Dup [1 August 2013] ==
-Dallan, I think we also need a "suffix" field for the main person-name entry. If you have '''John Smith Jr.''', you have to stick the "Jr." at the end of either the forename or the surname field. The latter messes up searching & sorting (by effectively changing the surname) and the former gives you weird listings like ""John Jr. Smith." --<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:20px;">[[User:Mksmith|Mike]]</font><font color="purple" size="2.5" face="papyrus"><sup>[[User Talk:Mksmith|Talk]]</sup> </font> 10:36, 12 August 2010 (EDT)+Can you please the following page. My Stupid Browse keep crashing leading me to think that the source was not add
-::Alt name is appropriate for nicknames. For common nicknames it isn't necessary to make a separate name. Just check the Given Name page for that entry and make sure the nickname is listed as an alternate. Then search will find your page no matter what version someone enters. William, Will, Bill, Billy, Etc. See [[Givenname:William]] for this example. To find a given name page, go to search and select Given Name as the Namespace in the dropdown.+[[Source:Prowell, George Reeser. History of York County Pennsylvania (Volume II)]]
-::The Title suffix field is where Sr and Jr should go. It's already there. --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 12:07, 12 August 2010 (EDT)+
-== Counties that don't exist [18 August 2010] == 
-I can't remember if we decided this: for records for places that have changed, how do we title the page? As a specific example, should 1850 census records for counties now in West Virginia (formed 1860s) be titled using Virginia or West Virginia? --[[User:Amelia.Gerlicher|Amelia]] 00:57, 4 August 2010 (EDT)+Thanks--[[User:Myfamilytree|Myfamilytree]] 22:36, 26 July 2013 (EDT)
 +:I haven't got the user rights to delete so I've redirected it to the other page which has the same impact. Hope this helps. [[User:AndrewRT|AndrewRT]] 18:17, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
 +:Next time (and for future references everyone else) just add the Speedy Delete tag to it and myself or someone else on the Deletion team will get to it [[User:DMaxwell]] 06:57, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
-:I was going to add some info on use of "historic" type placename, but will wait for an answer to your question from someone else. I remember the discussion also, but can't find where. --[[User:BobC|BobC]] 12:41, 4 August 2010 (EDT)+----
 +thanks...--[[User:Myfamilytree|Myfamilytree]] 09:42, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
 + 
 +== Help on new pages [1 August 2013] ==
 + 
 +I am currently working on a set of families that lived on the remote island of North Ronaldshay, in the Orkneys, North Scotland. One of the key "signposts" that has emerged in this research is the role played by the "Houses" on the island. These often held multiple families, were passed down the generations and were often included in the genealogical records. They also became a key way of identifying people, who often shared the same forename and surname - for instance, [[Person:Thomas Tulloch (36)|Thomas Tulloch]] was called "Tommy Garso", because he lived in a house called "Garso".
 + 
 +I would like to create a page or a set of pages that links together the information about the individual houses so that they can be used to trace the families through time. The first idea I had was to set them up as "Place" pages although I note that [[WeRelate:About_place_pages#What_kinds_of_places_can_I_create_pages_for.3F|the policy]] seems to discourage this. The alternative seems to be in the general namespace which, unless I'm mistaken, doesn't have any particular rules about what should or shouldn't be created there.
 + 
 +Please could someone advise - where would be the right place to create this page? Thanks [[User:AndrewRT|AndrewRT]] 18:13, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
 + 
 +----
 +I have the same problem currently in Southwest Scotland--Galloway to be exact. My own family lived in the main farmhouse of a farm named Auchenlosh, but the 1841 census indicates there were 10 other cottages there all housing farm workders. That adds up to a community of a comparible size to what might be called a hamlet in rural parts of the United States and Canada. And yet, I also hesitate to give the farm a placename. I intend to write an Article about this particular farm because (1) people in the cottages are bound to be related as in-laws and cousins, and (2) I own its 18th century rent book.
-You may want to review the discussions at [[Help talk:Naming conventions]] and [[WeRelate_talk:Source_renaming_project#Census_pages_.5B20_August_2009.5D]]. --[[User:BobC|BobC]] 1400, 4 August 2010 (EDT)+The parish, and all the parishes around, hold plenty of farms like these. It's an interesting situation, probably based on a need for many hands, leftover from feudal times, and which didn't end until the invention of the tractor. --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 07:26, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
-:The county pages should be titled under West Virginia, with also-located-in links to Virginia.+== auto suggestions and recently used sources - not working? (reposted from Watercooler) [6 August 2013] ==
-:However, for a major change like Virginia to West Virginia, maybe we should make an exception and add additional county pages under Virginia with see-also links to the corresponding counties in West Virginia? I could go either way on this. I personally don't think a few additional place pages will hurt; we just don't want to go crazy.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 16:14, 4 August 2010 (EDT)+(reposted from WaterCooler)
-::As so many of the folks I will be uploading were born, lived & died in West Virginia, I'll watch to see what happens with this. On my desktop, I have handled it in two ways (I know, sigh, I'm not consistent). One is Edward Jackson b 'Harrison, (W)Virginia' and the other is Edward Jackson b 'Harrison, Virginia (now West Virginia)'. I've been wondering how that will pan out during GEDCOM upload. Somehow, I would like to see WeRelate indicate some way that the person was born before the area became the State of West Virginia (1863). OTOH, wouldn't that complicate the category 'Jackson in Place'? --[[User:Janiejac|Janiejac]] 15:33, 6 August 2010 (EDT)+One very nice thing about this site is the suggestions for place names - to conform to the site to the same standard. This as well as the recently used source, which is nice for when you are using the same source over and over again. I tried 3 different browsers and I still have the same issue. I don't understand how a browser could affect the recently used source option. The auto suggestion feature is working about 25% of the time for me. I'd like to hear from Dallan or one of the admins as to what might be causing this...it's driving me up the wall. I must note that I am a Linux user, which has never been a problem with the site performance or any form until the last week and a half or so. [[User:DMaxwell|Daniel Maxwell]] 06:45, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
-Hi, one suggestion -- I got around this by using: Red River, Texas, United States|Red River, Republic of Texas in the field... which shows "Republic of Texas in the description... but lists Red River County.. See person page John Richey (9). He died during the Republic of Texas, but we don't have the Republic of Texas as a place in WeRelate... This would be hard to upload in a Gedcom, but could be fixed after uploading...+:I cannot use the autocompletion when I browse from behind my squid proxy. I don't know if it's intrinsic to the squid proxy, or just the ancient version I use. Note that it's not intermittent. Do you use different internet setups? Otherwise perhaps upstream of you you are getting different proxies different days. --[[User:Pkeegstra|Pkeegstra]] 06:40, 6 August 2013 (EDT)
-Thanks, Pam+== Place page showing map location incorrectly [2 August 2013] ==
-:I've done a lot of work in Red River County and I haven't worried about the "Republic" thing at all, frankly. Republic or state, it's still Texas. On the other hand, Red River was the "mother country" for all or part of more than 20 present-day counties, so early events in what is now (say) Hopkins County will be found in the early '''Red River''' records. You can get around this -- and without messing up the system -- by using a pipe to say anything you please, i.e., "Red River, Texas, United States|Old Red River (now Hopkins) County, Republic of Texas". Or whatever. --<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:20px;">[[User:Mksmith|Mike]]</font><font color="purple" size="2.5" face="papyrus"><sup>[[User Talk:Mksmith|Talk]]</sup> </font> 10:42, 12 August 2010 (EDT)+For some reason, the Google map embedded in this place page [[Place:Grantsville, Calhoun, West Virginia, United States]] is showing a different location. The coordinates in the place page are correct, but the map is showing coordinates for a different place (a few miles away). I don't see any way that I can fix this by editing the page.--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 19:08, 2 August 2013 (EDT)
---- ----
-I apologize, my question was unclear. I had assumed that we had one rule for ''place'' pages, that they should be named based on the current location of the place. If the place had changed names or moved counties or states, that was covered by the located in/see also fields. I don't think there should be two pages for those places, it just duplicates information and effort (although some pages have already been created for Virginia versions of West Virginia counties; it's another question how hard to enforce this rule). +:It should appear correct now. A cemetery was incorrectly attributed to Grantsville, which caused the map to generate in the wrong location. --[[User:Khaentlahn|Khaentlahn]] 20:15, 2 August 2013 (EDT)
-And we can easily use pipes with alternate names, and the system is supposed to recognize by virtue of the above entries for old places, for person/family pages.+== Table -- varying data between one place and another [15 August 2013] ==
-What I'm asking is what we do for ''source'' pages that regard only records from a prior named version of a place. (i.e. 1850 Hampshire Co, VA (now WV) census records). Based on the fact that place pages are "smart" about dual names, it would seem that they would still link up correctly if we use the "old name" - which seems more likely the one that people would search under. But that is not entirely consistent with the source pages rule, so naming them the other way would also make sense. I don't see this question dealt with at any of the links above.--[[User:Amelia.Gerlicher|Amelia]] 21:37, 7 August 2010 (EDT)+I have worked out a table that I could use to give specific bits of information about one place. Could I adopt it as a template to use in a series of places for which the same types of information could be provided? The first two columns of the table are permanent, the third column contains the variables.
 + 
 +The table can currently be found at [[Template:Buckinghamshire unions of parishes]].
 + 
 +If it is possible to make a variable table, are these instructions in Help, anywhere? --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 06:47, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
 + 
 +:Hoping I've understood correctly, you can introduce parameters into a template by using <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki> on your template page and then passing the parameter through when you use the template - e.g. <nowiki>{{template name|variable1}}</nowiki>. I have an example at [[Template:DNA-Y12]] if this is useful although apologies it's quite a complex template! The wikipedia help page is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template#Handling_parameters here] although note that some of the more complex bits don't work on WeRelate as we are still [[WeRelate:Suggestions/Upgrade_MediaWiki|on an old version]]. [[User:AndrewRT|AndrewRT]] 15:36, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
 + 
 +I had a good look at the example and, as you expected, I was stymied by the complexity. What I was hoping for was a uniform template in the form of a table in which I could fill in the blanks (=variables/parameters) in the third columns. It would have been an expanded form of the See Also box.
 + 
 +I have now replanned my basic idea for presenting Buckinghamshire and added pages for the county divisions named "hundreds". I didn't know "hundred" was in the WR list of types of places until this afternoon. There are many English counties where this division was commonly used up to the early 19th century and someone is bound to need it sometime. By adding place pages for the "rural districts" and "urban districts" as well, I should be able to put all the information on a parish's membership in administrative areas in the See Also box.
 + 
 +Thanks for your help.
 +--[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 14:16, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
 + 
 +:I took a crack at creating a template from this, which accepts parameters, and added some basic documentation. I didn't set it up to take parameters for the dates, but that's possible as well. Let me know what you think, and if you have questions -- [[User:Jdfoote1|Jdfoote1]] 11:38, 15 August 2013 (EDT)
 + 
 +== need help with template [1 September 2013] ==
 + 
 +The template that has been posted on [[Person:Henry Leonard (6)|Henry Leonard's page]] is too wide. It causes all info to fall 'below the fold' and at first glance, the page appears to have nothing on it. Can someone please make the template more narrow so it doesn't fall under the family info?--[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 16:36, 31 August 2013 (EDT)
 + 
 +:It is strange that this template can not be put in Notes. It is a Note. The Note is now made via ref whatever works.--[[User:Lidewij|Lidewij]] 05:25, 1 September 2013 (EDT)
 + 
 +:Yes, the placement confused me because the reader cannot tell which quote is the copyrighted quote. Looking at the history of this page, it appears that a lot of text has already been removed. Perhaps the already removed material was the offending text and the author just didn't remove the template?? Only the person who may have recognized the copyright material would know. There should be some method of monitoring such notices to remove them when appropriate. Of course, it still needs to be made more narrow. --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 10:46, 1 September 2013 (EDT)
 +::I made the original template narrower. I also removed the template from Henry's page since the copyrighted text had been removed. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 10:58, 1 September 2013 (EDT)
 +:::Thank you!! I'm hoping to add descendants of Henry and wasn't sure what to do with this page. --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 12:56, 1 September 2013 (EDT)
 + 
 +== Fixing Gotland place names [2 October 2013] ==
 + 
 +I've noticed that the placenames in Gotland, Sweden all use the format of "Somewhere, Gotlands, Gotland, Sweden". This is incorrect, there is not place called "Gotlands", and "Gotland" and "Gotland" is of course the same place. It should be "Somewhere, Gotland, Sweden". This differs from general Swedish place names because the Municipality, County and Region are all the same thing.
 + 
 +However, fixing this seems complicated, for reasons of consistency. I can for example not rename "Parish, Gotlands, Gotland, Sweden" if it contains places. But I also can't move the places it contains to "Farm, Parish, Gotland, Sweden", because "Paris, Gotland Sweden" does not yet exist.
 + 
 +So I think I would have to first create a new "Parish, Gotland, Sweden", then move the places within, then redirect the old Parish.
 + 
 +This is doable, but I'm wondering if there possibly can be an easier way? Because that will take a *long* time to do.
 + 
 +--[[User:Regebro|Regebro]] 22:02, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
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-I think in this case Source pages have to be handled differently than Place pages. There was no 1850 census for Monongalia County, West Virginia as WV wasn't a state yet. If we're trying to encourage accuracy in citations, we should be accurate in the Source pages we create. The Source page, IMO, should be ''Monongalia, Virginia, United States. 1850 U.S. Census Population Schedule''. On a related note, I have a problem with the categories for censuses being, for example, 1850 Ohio census or 1850 Virginia census. That, to me, implies a state census for that state, rather than the Federal census taken in that state. But that's probably best left for another discussion. -- [[User:Ajcrow|Amy]] 11:29, 8 August 2010 (EDT)+: I saw a mention of a bot that will "Rename sub-places in response to super-place renames", and then I realized that there is a simpler way to do this.
 +: The problem is that when I try to rename for example [[Place:Bunge, Gotlands, Gotland, Sweden]] to the correct [[Place:Bunge, Gotland, Sweden]] I get the error "This place has subordinate places. Only an administrator can rename a place with subordinate places. Please ask for help at Support."
 +: Since there is a bit to fix that, this means that the easiest way to do this is to have an administrator do the renaming. I therefore request that an administrator does this move so we can get rid of [[Place:Gotlands, Gotland, Sweden]].
 +:
 +: Please ask me for more information if anything is unclear. --[[User:Regebro|Lennart]] 03:02, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
 +::I asked about this over at [[WeRelate talk:Place patrol]] because I am unsure about the logistics of this. I'll also ask Dallan about it and will post a response early next week. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 08:02, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
-:I agree that Source pages should be handled differently than Place pages -- the historical place should be used in the title. Would you mind adding this to [[Help:Source page titles]]?--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 17:28, 18 August 2010 (EDT)+: All of the places within Gotlands have been renamed to be directly under Gotland.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 02:30, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
- +
-:Note re state censuses: I think that was initially agreed, but we made a change because it looked like a lot of gedcoms were coming in using a state-specific format, so it was decided to allow people to create them. If that justification turns out to not ultimately be true, we should revisit ... somewhere... --[[User:Amelia.Gerlicher|Amelia]] 13:09, 8 August 2010 (EDT)+
-::I'm referring to the names of the categories, such as ''Category:1900 Ohio census''. I think the name of the category is very misleading, as it is *not* an "Ohio census." It is a Federal census taken in Ohio. Ohio, like many other states, had no state census and it is somewhat confusing to see something purporting to be a list of pages referring to a state census. For states like Iowa that did have state censuses, it is confusing to see something like ''Category:1880 Iowa census'', as there wasn't an Iowa state census in 1880. What would be clearer (and more accurate) would be to have the categories named ''Category:1900 U.S. Census - Ohio''. This should not affect anything regarding GEDCOM imports. --[[User:Ajcrow|Amy]] 13:26, 8 August 2010 (EDT)+== Problem with embedded URLs [2 October 2013] ==
-:::Oh, sorry, you did say that. I don't actually think that's confusing, but if someone wants to go through the 400 so-named categories and change them, I'm not going to fuss about it. I could argue that the lack of capital letter indicates generically a census taken in a state in that year (i.e. the Iowa state census category would be "1885 Iowa census"; if there were an 1880 Iowa state census, it would go in the "1880 Iowa census" category along with the federal ) and the nature of the census is quite clear from the page titles in the category. But, you're right, it's also a philosophical question about the purpose of categories for another day.--[[User:Amelia.Gerlicher|Amelia]] 14:17, 8 August 2010 (EDT)+If I paste [http://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/Family%20Indexes/Bonham%20Index.html] into a Text field of a Reference the URL links correctly.
-::::Let's revisit categories in the Fall.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 17:28, 18 August 2010 (EDT)+However if I paste the same link into a Title field of a Reference it breaks.
-== Place page - 2 questions [18 August 2010] ==+--[[User:Jhamstra|Jhamstra]] 09:40, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
 +:URL's work in the Title field when you enclose them in brackets with text like this: <nowiki>[http://www.werelate.org WeRelate]</nowiki>. Otherwise, you could add the URL to the Record Name or Text field. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 09:47, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
-I'm building a place page [[Place:Northbank, King and Queen, Virginia, United States]] for a plantation estate. These were extensive and served as towns in the very rural areas. I'll have several more of these to create so I want to learn some things.+Thanks Jennifer.
-*Question 1: I'm stuck by the blank for "Type". I don't like to see Unknown there, but I don't know what the choices are as there is no drop-down. The Help page does not mention the use of the various fields. +
-*Question 2: I know how to use the GoogleMap link to give a link to a location on GoogleMap, but the Place pages have an actual insert showing the map. Is this something available to put on other pages (Person, Family)? How would it be done. When used sparingly, I can see this would be helpful.+
-**Subquestion: the inserts on the Place pages are often not helpful as they are the wrong scale. Can these be changed by a user?+
-Thanks --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 13:28, 6 August 2010 (EDT)+
-:As I hinted at up on the previous topic, I've used the term "Historic" as the ''Type'' for these historic locations that no longer exist that are referenced by era documents and sources. A couple of my examples include [[Place:Reinholdsville (historic), Lancaster, Pennsylvania, United States]] and [[Place:Fort Decatur (historic), Macon, Alabama, United States]] (actually an historic military fort). The term ''"historic"'' in the actual placename title may be redundant, but I'd seen it deliniated that manner in other previous examples I researched and wanted to be consistent. These were known locations at the time of my subject's life and are recorded in written period references as such, so I thought it important they contain their unique designated historic placenames for historical consistency and future research context. I believe the ''Type'' field is free-form, so you have more freedom to apply your own description to it. The term, "Settlement," also comes to mind as one that I've seen on colonial references. +Unfortunately there is still a problem with the display when I do this. Now the URL does not break but the entire URL displays rather than a "numbered square-arrow link icon" as I get elsewhere. Look at the results of Reference 6 (without nowiki brackets but no embedded spaces in URL) vs Reference 7 (with nowiki brackets to avoid beaking URL with embedded spaces) in [[Family:Samuel Fuller and Jane Lathrop (1)|this family]].
-:Regarding your particular example, Wikipedia identifies Northbank as an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_King_and_Queen_County,_Virginia Historic Place] within [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_and_Queen_County,_Virginia King and Queen County, Virginia] (as a landmark on the National Register), and more specifically located within the unincorporated community of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkerton,_VA Walkerton]. Whether or not that is justification enough for or entitles it to its own placename space at WeRelate, I'm not sure. For vital statistical purposes on person and family pages, you could just as easily use "[[Place:Walkerton, King and Queen, Virginia, United States]]" in the ''Place'' field and reference the "Northbank Plantation" in the ''Description'' field. +You might want to go to the associated Talk page to see why I am updating this Family 8-).
-::Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not asking for justification. In rural areas the plantations were the population centers, not towns. And K&Q is the most rural county around. I need the page as it is because I have a lot of information about the place and a lot of people to link to it. But, after years as a database administrator, the idea that users are making up their own "Types" gives me nightmares. We have to have a standard list. After looking around, I went with "Inhabited place". The K&Q page is full of those - illustrating how few real towns exist. --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 19:24, 6 August 2010 (EDT)+--[[User:Jhamstra|Jhamstra]] 08:45, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
-:Can't answer your second two question. Hopefully, others will provide their own opinion and expertise to both. --[[User:BobC|BobC]] 17:18, 6 August 2010 (EDT)+: I personally don't think URL's really make sense in the title field. It's better to have them in the text, as full URL's, not just "[1]" links. Having just the [1] links will for example mean that you lose the reference if you print it. It's also Wiki-specific syntax. It probably won't break anything if you export as GEDCOM and import somewhere else, but it means it will look different when transferred to other software. --[[User:Regebro|Lennart]] 09:28, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
 +:When a URL is enclosed in nowiki brackets, it won't be clickable.
 +:Plimoth <nowiki>Plantation - Plimoth & Patuxet Ancestors - Genealogical Profiles [http://www.plimoth.org/learn/MRL/read/plimoth-patuxet-ancestors#profiles]</nowiki> displays Plimoth Plantation - Plimoth & Patuxet Ancestors - Genealogical Profiles [http://www.plimoth.org/learn/MRL/read/plimoth-patuxet-ancestors#profiles] or
 +:<nowiki>[http://www.plimoth.org/learn/MRL/read/plimoth-patuxet-ancestors#profiles Plimoth Plantation - Plimoth & Patuxet Ancestors - Genealogical Profiles]</nowiki> displays [http://www.plimoth.org/learn/MRL/read/plimoth-patuxet-ancestors#profiles Plimoth Plantation - Plimoth & Patuxet Ancestors - Genealogical Profiles].
 +:Note, if you are looking at this message from the edit screen, you will want to omit the nowiki tags. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 17:22, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
 +::Well I happen to like the way Reference [6] looks now and I would like to make Reference [7] look the same way but apparently nobody can tell me how to do that. If I bracket the URL with nowiki tags then it does not substitute the icon for the reference. If I replace spaces with %20 and bracket the URL without nowiki tags then it breaks-up the URL anyway. --[[User:Jhamstra|Jhamstra]] 00:27, 9 September 2013 (EDT)
-::"Type" doesn't link to anything, so I've been thinking that free-text is ok. But it is used to group contained places on the containing place page, so maybe I should come up with a drop-down list...+:Also, note that URLs should not have spaces - they should be replaced with %20 - so, the URL in question should be http://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/Family%20Indexes/Bonham%20Index.html, which will allow you to use the MediaWiki bracketed markup, without the nowiki tags. While many browsers can handle URLs with spaces, in general it's just a bad idea to use them. -- [[User:Jdfoote1|Jdfoote1]] 17:33, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
 +::If you look at my original submission regarding "== Problem with embedded URLs [8 September 2013] ==", I did in fact replace the spaces with %20 but it still did not display the bracketed URL correctly in the title. --[[User:Jhamstra|Jhamstra]] 00:27, 9 September 2013 (EDT)
 +:::So, I've been looking into this. I see exactly what you are talking about. It looks to me like a WeRelate bug, where the content is decoded, but I'm not positive yet. As a workaround, I put a link in the Volume field, which displays right next to the title. -- [[User:Jdfoote1|Jdfoote1]] 07:54, 9 September 2013 (EDT)
-::As for the map question, there's a [[:Template:Googlemap]] to create a ''link'' to a google map, but there isn't a way right now to add your own google map to a page. It's a good idea; I'll add a <nowiki><map></nowiki> tag to the todo list. +::::Thanks for the work-around - it looks good!
-::Regarding the zoom on place maps, you can change the zoom level by pressing the +/- buttons, but I assume that you want a way to set the default zoom for a particular place page? Note that you can't get too specific on the zoom; you'd get to choose from whatever levels the +/- buttons give you; you couldn't choose a zoom in between. +::::I think this bug originates from when the Source=Citation option was added to References. The parser for the Title field for Source=Citation needs to be different from Source=Source or MySource.
-::Is there a place page where the default zoom isn't good? Maybe tweaking the algorithm that determines the default zoom level would solve the problem?--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 17:45, 18 August 2010 (EDT)+::::--[[User:Jhamstra|Jhamstra]] 08:37, 9 September 2013 (EDT)
-== Adding a new Family member to the list [15 August 2010] ==+One of the symptoms of this problem is that the inline editor seems to be replacing each embedded %20 in the Title field with a space before storing it. So it displays as %20 before I click Save but displays as a space if I click Edit again. I have no way of telling whether this is a WeRelate or MediaWiki problem or if it is a Firefox problem. However since Firefox seems to have no problems editing the correct result into text boxes including this one, I suspect the problem lies elsewhere ie something that filters the Title field when it is being saved.
 + 
 +At this point I have tried each of the following (sans nowiki and quotes) without success:
 + 
 +<nowiki>"An American Family History - The Bonham, Fuller and Lothrop Families [http://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/Family%20Indexes/Bonham%20Index.html]"</nowiki>
 + 
 +<nowiki>"[An American Family History - The Bonham, Fuller and Lothrop Families http://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/Family%20Indexes/Bonham%20Index.html]"</nowiki>
 + 
 +<nowiki>"[http://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/Family%20Indexes/Bonham%20Index.html An American Family History - The Bonham, Fuller and Lothrop Families]"</nowiki>
 + 
 +So if this is working correctly for you people who are trying to help me, then could you tell me what browser (name and release level) you are using? And exactly what character string you entered? --[[User:Jhamstra|Jhamstra]] 00:47, 9 September 2013 (EDT)
 + 
 +:I spent some time trying various work-arounds, but nothing worked better than the solution you came up with. Unfortunately the cite extension that we're using is very finicky. I'm reluctant to touch it because other things will likely break. I think we'll have to wait until we upgrade the software to a more-recent version before this URL problem is fixed.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 02:30, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Having trouble adding image to profile page [8 September 2013] ==
 + 
 +How do I attach the image I uploaded to my profile page?--[[User:Tammyhensel|Tammyhensel]] 16:05, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
 +:I added the image by using <nowiki>[[Image:Tammy Hensel.jpg|300 px]]</nowiki>. You can adjust the size by editing the px number. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 16:10, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
- How do I add to a list that some one has already made ?--[[User:Whitetinydog|Whitetinydog]] 15:10, 15 August 2010 (EDT) 
-::Can you point us to an example? If the list is on an article page, you can edit the page to add to it. If it is a list of children on the Family page, you can edit that page. I guess, in general, the answer is edit the page. 
-:: If you give us an example, we can give you more detail. --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 15:17, 15 August 2010 (EDT) 
---- ----
-If you want to add a child to a family: Let me use two of your pages as an example. This is assuming [[Person:Sterling Chatterton (1)]] is the child of [[Family:Chester Chatterton and Bessie Messersmith (1)]]+Thank you very much.--[[User:Tammyhensel|Tammyhensel]] 16:41, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
-#Go to the Family page and click Edit.+ 
-#Under Children, type the title of the child's page. In this case it would be "Sterling Chatterton (1)". Note that the namespace "Person:" is not needed since it is understood that a child will point to a Person page.+== Need advice on whether I can post a photograph [11 September 2013] ==
-#Save the page+ 
-You could also do this another way.+Can I upload a digital copy of the photo found at
-#Go to the Child's page, click Edit, and go to the Parents and Siblings family group page section.+ 
-#Enter the Parent's Family page title. In this case: "Chester Chatterton and Bessie Messersmith (1)". As above, the namespace is not needed. If you wait a few seconds, the system will list all pages that match the page title (or portion of it) that you typed in, which is a good way of checking your work, since if nothing is shown, you must have typed something wrong.+http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p267401coll36/id/6489/rec/1279
-#Save the page. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 15:23, 15 August 2010 (EDT)+ 
---[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 16:15, 15 August 2010 (EDT)+to werelate.org
-== How to please [8 October 2010] ==+if so, how do I fill out the copyright information
----- +My grandfather is in the photo.--[[User:Charlie s|Charlie s]] 14:44, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
-I have been away from we relate for almost a year and was searching on Google and found a link to my information that I entered so long ago. I was so pleasantly surprised but when I went to the link it looked very different and I could not tell how someone would contact me if they found a relative in common with me. Could someone explain this to me?--[[User:LutheranChickadee|LutheranChickadee]] 21:56, 16 August 2010 (EDT)--[[User:DFree|DFree]] 22:24, 16 August 2010 (EDT)+
---- ----
-It seems to me that the answer is no different than a year ago, despite the new look. Watchers still get notified of changes, even to the Talk page. Users can use the My Relate->Network function to see who is watching pages in common with themselves, and while only a short list of watchers is shown by default, the "show all" item under watchers will show the complete watcher list like it used to be. There are the same options for contacting users, though to get all persons interested in a page, it is probably more efficient to place questions and discussions on the Talk page for persons, families, or for users. Logs still work the same, showing who made what change. Outside of the ''format'' of the page, the process hasn't changed. So this makes me think I am misunderstanding the question. Is there a specific example and/or more specific phrasing of the concern? --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 23:12, 16 August 2010 (EDT)+:Unfortunately the links to the pages with copyright information leads to missing pages. I think the correct page is now http://ww2.ohiohistory.org/resource/audiovis/repro.html .
 +:Looks like you'll have to have to ask the Ohio Historical Society for permission. --[[User:Regebro|Lennart]] 16:00, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
-== Printing [7 September 2010] ==+== Live People [12 September 2013] ==
-2 weeks ago I was able to print a person profile. It was very streamlined. Everything was lined up on he left side of the page. Parents, Siblings, Spouse and Children Facts and Events & notes. Now when I print it looks just like the screen image, way too spread out. What am I doing wrong. Thanks.--[[User:Cats3333|Cats3333]] 16:30, 26 August 2010 (EDT)+Is there a reason Live people cant be added to a family if I do a Gedcom upload--[[User:Jbtabb|Jbtabb]] 17:47, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
 +:Pages for living people are not permitted on WeRelate due to privacy issues. See the policy [[Help:FAQ#Can_I_create_pages_for_living_persons.3F|here]]. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 08:10, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
-:Printing changed recently. Someone reported an issue with printing, and I noticed that printed pages were not using any styles, so I changed the system to use the screen-oriented styles for printing.+== Warnings bug?? [19 January 2014] ==
-:I don't want to go back to no styles at all, but I'm ok with left-justifying the family boxes. It would be really easy to+I uploaded a small gedcom of abt 30 persons. I had a warning that one marriage was when the couple was too young. Since it was such a small gedcom this one warning gave me 21% warnings. So I saw the marriage date was wrong and edited the page removing the date of marriage. That should have fixed the problem. But now the warnings are just doubled - and the list of warnings now list the same couple twice. Now I have 42% and cannot upload. Am I missing something here or is there a bug? --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 21:14, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
-# left-justify ''all'' family boxes (parents and spouses) one underneath another, above the facts+events section, '''or'''+:I still see the warnings at 21%. The warnings percentage is only generated when you upload your file, they are not recalculated when you make edits during GEDCOM review. I went ahead and imported the file for you. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 07:18, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
-# put family boxes adjacent to each other, so the parents infobox would be left-justified, and the spouse infobox would be to the right of it (with additional spouse infoboxes further to the right), with the facts+events section underneath.+ 
-:Preferences?--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 20:49, 30 August 2010 (EDT)+::Some small bug must have caused that msg after editing the page during review. I didn't imagine seeing the 41% warnings msg and the same two people listed twice. And the comment that because of the 41% warning I could not upload. Perhaps the view the admin sees just didn't show that. Or perhaps the msg went away after 24 hours? In any case, thanks for uploading it. --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 09:47, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
 +I have noted that warnings are often duplicated in GEDCOM uploads (on the warnings tab that the submitter sees when reviewing the GEDCOM). This is clearly a bug, but it has never been significant enough for me to report. Warnings that have already been read will be added again as unread warnings after some editing and/or matching of the GEDCOM file - I have not taken the time to determine if there is a particular pattern or trigger for this.--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 02:50, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +:Well, it has happened again so now I cannot import the file. Before review I had a 7% warning level, concerning 2 problems. I fixed one but the system did not provide an edit feature so I could fix the other one. But the larger problem was that in fixing that first warning, the system doubled all alerts and thus increased the warning level to now 13.8 percent and now I cannot import. This same thing happened on my last gedcom import/review process. I mentioned it at that time, and the admins saw no problem and inported the file for me. But since it has now happened twice, I think someone should look at it. --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 15:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +::Being impatient, I just went back to that GEDCOM that I could not import because the warnings had all duplicated themselves and now the percentage was too high. But when I went into it this evening, it was all OK. So perhaps a work-around to this problem is to close the review and open it again. Anyway, since the warning percentage was now back to 7%, I was able to import it. That still needs fixed because a newbie might have completely given up. --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 02:06, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Error messages at top of Watercooler page [27 October 2013] ==
 + 
 +Near the top of the [http://www.werelate.org/wiki/WeRelate_talk:Watercooler Watercooler] are some error messages:
 + 
 + Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/mnt/images/6/64/LibraryBook.GIF': @ error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2587. convert: missing an image filename `/mnt/images/thumb/6/64/LibraryBook.GIF/105px-LibraryBook.GIF' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3011.
 + 
 + Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/mnt/images/9/99/New_User.jpg': @ error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2587. convert: missing an image filename `/mnt/images/thumb/9/99/New_User.jpg/96px-New_User.jpg' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3011
 + 
 +This happens with Chrome and I.E. --[[User:Robert.shaw|Robert.shaw]] 04:47, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 +:This appears to be fixed now. It was related to the issue posted [[WeRelate talk:Watercooler#Problem with images.3F .5B22 September 2013.5D|here on the Watercooler]]. If you are still experiencing any problems, please let us know. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 14:46, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +:I get the same error message today: Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/mnt/images/e/e5/Lesja_I_verlie.jpg': @ error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2587. convert: missing an image filename `/mnt/images/thumb/e/e5/Lesja_I_verlie.jpg/180px-Lesja_I_verlie.jpg' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3011. See this profile for example: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Ola_Bj%C3%B8kne_%281%29 [[User:Annema|Annema]] 12:06, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 +::I uploaded the document again and named it [[:Image:Lesja I Overlie.jpg]]. It seems the error was caused by the Ø in the title. I will mention this bug to Dallan. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 12:34, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Help with email verification please [1 October 2013] ==
 + 
 +I have set up a werelate account for my best friend on Friday night. I have tried several times to verify her email address & although I have sent several email verification emails, they have not made it to her email account. All of her information is correct & her email account is working. Dallan emailed me & said there were some hardware issues but I am still not able to confirm Tracey's email account. Any help would be most appreciated.
 + 
 +Jules--[[User:JulesLonghurstStiles|JulesLonghurstStiles]] 21:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 +:Just to follow up, it looks like your friend's email was confirmed on the 24th. Let me know if there is still a problem.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 20:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
---- ----
-I really like the left-justify style with everything lined with person, parents, siblings, spouse and children, and facts and events all in a line. It is so much easier to decifer.--[[User:Cats3333|Cats3333]] 08:45, 4 September 2010 (EDT)+Hi Dallan I used my alternate email to verify my friend's werelate account. Which works just fine since I check my email often which my gf does not lol. I hope this is not a problem.--[[User:JulesLonghurstStiles|JulesLonghurstStiles]] 16:30, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
-:Try printing now. The family boxes are left-aligned.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 16:48, 7 September 2010 (EDT)+== Links to other websites are not allowed [29 September 2013] ==
-== A2A - now Source:Scotland. Access to Archives [31 August 2010] ==+Help please,
-Hello Support, for some reason the WeRelate Agent has changed/renamed the Source:A2A and it is now named "Source:Scotland. Access to Archives". It is a UK website source for the Archives in London, etc so it is more than Scotland. I am curious how that happened. Any clue? Thanks Debbie Freeman --[[User:DFree|DFree]] 20:16, 30 August 2010 (EDT)+I am working on my profile page and added some external links and got the following error message when I tried to save the page:
-:This happened last Fall during the ''great source rename'' :-) when we renamed all of the sources to follow our "standard" page title format. This source was listed as a "government/church records" source, and the page title format for government/church records is "place. source title field". So it was renamed to [[Source:Scotland. Access to Archives]] since Scotland was the first place listed. Another (similar/same?) source is [[Source:United Kingdom. National Archives: Access to Archives (A2A)]]. +"Links to other websites are not allowed"
-:Feel free to rename these sources using the source page title format described in [[Help:Source page titles]]. You may also want to merge these two sources together?.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 20:49, 30 August 2010 (EDT)+Since when can we not use links to other websites? Why are there directions in the Help section on how to create external links if we are not allowed to use them?
-::Hello Dallan, Thank you for pointing out this other Source. It is the same source. I will use that one. I will double check. I am pretty sure that I was the only user for the Source:A2A so I can delete it tomorrow. Thanks, Debbie Freeman --[[User:DFree|DFree]] 21:15, 30 August 2010 (EDT)+A little confused here... :(
-== Problem w numbered list - specify start value [7 September 2010] ==+Thanks for your input!--[[User:Marytennessee|Marytennessee]] 13:42, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
-Need some technical help. I'm not a html or wiki wizard, but can usually copy an example.+----
-:I am trying to create this [[User:Wswoody/Ahnentafel|Ahnentafel page]] indexing a user's ancestors by surname line to give him easy access to WeRelate. Things were going well until I decided that instead of simply using # to number the lists 1, 2, 3, it would be more informative to start with the generation number for each surname.+Mary, I attempted to recreate your situation. I added an external link on my profile page and did not get any error message. [[User:Jillaine|Jillaine]] 22:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
-:According to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:List|list help] on Wikipedia all that is needed is to insert <nowiki>#<li value="9"></nowiki> to set the starting number to 9, for example. This does work to create the desired numbers, but the WeRelate system is inserting an unwanted item 1 at the top of the list. Is there any way to prevent this? --[[User:Wswoody|Wswoody]] 15:35, 7 September 2010 (EDT) Whoops! forgot to change id. This is [[User:jlanoux|Judy]]+
-::It doesn't work probably because we're using an older version of the Wikipedia software right now. Until we get onto the latest version you can use raw HTML tags to accomplish what you want. I edited the first list in [[User:Wswoody/Ahnentafel|your Ahnentafel page]] as an example.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 16:55, 7 September 2010 (EDT)+
-:::That seems to do what I need. Thanks. --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 17:02, 7 September 2010 (EDT)+
-== uploading a PDF that contains images [17 September 2010] ==+----
 +Hi Jillaine! Thanks for your help! I tried the link again and it worked this time. WeRelate was having a bad hair day, I guess... :) Ruth--[[User:Marytennessee|Marytennessee]] 22:50, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
-Hello,+== GEDCOM review [2 October 2013] ==
-How do you upload a PDF that contains microfilmed images? I have a PDf that contains a civil war service record for a person in my tree. I can't figure out how to do this.+ 
-Thank- You+Is every GEDCOM reviewed by an administrator prior to finalizing the import process? I understand that things need to be double-checked, but my hands are completely tied, waiting for an ok on my gedcom. Very frustrating. I was wondering if this will be a problem every time I try to import a .ged file.
-diyahnih--[[User:Diyahnih|Diyahnih]] 07:10, 17 September 2010 (EDT)+ 
-:You can upload a pdf from the Add Image page. The pdf will not be readable on the Person page, but you can include a link to it so a person can download the pdf and view on their computer. Use a Media tag. Here's an example:+Thanks--[[User:Marytennessee|Marytennessee]] 00:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
- <nowiki>[[Media:Highly_Selected_General_Bibliography.pdf|Highly Selected General Bibliography]]</nowiki> <br>+ 
-will display as: [[Media:Highly_Selected_General_Bibliography.pdf|Highly Selected General Bibliography]] <br>+:Every GEDCOM gets a review prior to finalizing the import. It helps keep out bad GEDCOMs. Typically the review happens within 24 hours (sometimes it's 48). We would welcome more volunteers to help review if anyone is interested.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 20:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
-This is a good way to handle multipage documents as they aren't usually readable on screen anyway. --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 12:58, 17 September 2010 (EDT)+ 
 +::Let's talk a bit about GEDCOM review. Marytennessee, I share your frustration over what feels like such a long delay in waiting for the final review. Where can we read about what is involved with this review? I would hesitate to volunteer without knowing more about it. I know the time required must depend on the size of the upload but what can a volunteer expect? And how much volunteering would be expected if one signs up? --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 07:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +:::I'm glad you're interested! You can find out more [[WeRelate:GEDCOM review|here]]. Checking the list of GEDCOMs to be reviewed just once a day would be a big help. Most of the time there won't be any to review. For example, [[User:Solveig|Solveig]] spends an average of 15 minutes a day but as more people get involved that number would decrease. If you're interested, leave a message [[WeRelate talk:GEDCOM review|on the talk page]].--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 02:30, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +== rearranging order of marriages [4 October 2013] ==
 + 
 +I think I read somewhere that there was a way to list marriages in the proper chronological order when lack of marriage dates causes them to be listed out of order. I don't remember how to do that. How do I rearrange them properly?--[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 00:12, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 +:Go to the edit screen for the person - to the 'Spouse and children family' section where there are 2 families listed. Hover your mouse arrow just to the left of one of the families. Your mouse pointer will change from a single arrow to 4 arrows pointing N-S-E-W. When your pointer changes to that, hold the left mouse button and drag the box either up or down to rearrange. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 10:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 +::Thanks! It was easy once I knew how! Now if we just had the ability to re-order the sources. Maybe sometime in the future. --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 13:46, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Family tree search disgorges stale data [18 October 2013] ==
 + 
 +I cleaned up tree Jhamstra/Wilson one to two weeks ago, removing perhaps half of the entries. Yet these entries that are no longer in the trees still show up whenever I do a search. I have cleared my browser cache and they still do not go away.
 + 
 +Apparently they are cached somewhere within WeRelate server. Please clear this cache as it is tedious and impractical to find current entries in a search with all this old garbage coming back.
 + 
 +At what point should your cache of searches refresh itself?
 + 
 +--[[User:Jhamstra|Jhamstra]] 19:56, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 +:It should refresh within 10-15 minutes. Can you give me the title of a page that's still showing up in searches? That will help me track down the problem.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 19:34, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
-== confusing terminology [24 September 2010] ==+::Well the very first person displayed in my Wilson tree is [[Person:Charlemagne (1)|Charlemagne]]. They say that all Europe is descended from this gentleman so perhaps he should be in this tree but he is not. He was there some time ago as a result of experimenting I did with FTE and tree update etc.--[[User:Jhamstra|Jhamstra]] 22:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 +:::It looks like when you remove pages from your tree, the pages don't get re-indexed so they stay connected to your tree until they get edited or someone watches/unwatches them. I've configured the indexer to re-index ''all'' pages over the next several days so the pages should start being removed from your tree soon. I'm heading out of town tomorrow; I'll fix the bug when I get back on Monday. Thanks for letting me know.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 23:18, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 +::::Charlemagne no longer appears but now his son [[Louis the Pious (1)|Louis]] appears first. More importantly the search results for this tree now contain about 1000 fewer hits so I guess the re-indexing is making progress. Will check back again later. Thanks. --[[User:Jhamstra|Jhamstra]] 09:04, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
-I'm confused. I searched for a page I thought was an article (since I wrote it) titled Surname:Jackson. The system couldn't find it an article named Surname:Jackson or Jackson Surname. So I tried searching the category and it went to the Category:Jackson surname. Clicking on that, at the top of that page it says "There are xx articles in Category:Jackson Surname" and right at the very top of the list is my article I was searching for. Now why couldn't the search engine find my article? Why did I have to go to the category to find the article? --[[User:Janiejac|Janiejac]] 15:36, 22 September 2010 (EDT)+== Russian place names not showing Located In correctly [18 October 2013] ==
-:Perhaps other experts can be of further assistance, but I will try to offer a couple ideas and workarounds. When you created a surname page such as you did with your [[Surname:Jackson]] page, even though you used the Article creation environment, it saved it in the Surname namespace. So if you went to [[Special:Specialpages|Special Pages]] and clicked on the [[Special:Browse|Browse Pages]], if you left in the default "(Main)" namespace and looked up "Jackson" all it would find are the true articles relating to the name Jackson, identifing many of your Jackson Surname-in-Place pages. Whereas if you changed the namespace to "Surname" and then typed in "Jackson" you would have the Jackson surname page available as one of the pages to pick from. And if you used the [[Special:Search|Search WeRelate]] selection, you would also need to designate "Surname" in the namespace block to be immediately directed to your [[Surname:Jackson]] page. I would think you should also have been able to easily get to the Jackson surname page from a link to the catgegory repeated multiple times within your own [[User:Janiejac|User Page]]. You can add a direct link to the page for future use should you feel the desire. --[[User:BobC|BobC]] 19:01, 22 September 2010 (EDT)+It looks like Russian place name that include a form of accent over combinations of letters cause an error in the "located in" display, as if the commas in the name are being ignored. See [[Place:Zaporiz︠h︡z︠h︡i︠a︡, Zaporizhia, Ukraine|Zaporiz︠h︡z︠h︡i︠a︡, Zaporizhia, Ukraine]], which gives its "located in" as Ukraine, as a case in point.--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 23:05, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
-::No further assistance that I can think of - you nailed it :-) --[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 17:33, 24 September 2010 (EDT)+::An apostrophe at the end of a name causes the same problem (but '''not''' the searching problem mentioned below). Check out [[Place:Melitopol′, Tavrida, Russia]].--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 01:55, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 +:I'll fix that when I get back next week as well.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 23:20, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 +Thanks, Dallan. I realized yesterday that what I was looking at was not an accent, but an indication that 2 letters were the result of transliterating a single Cyrillic letter (e.g., z︠h︡ represents the Cyrillic letter ж). It does not appear that this indicator is common practice (see Google maps), or necessary. The downside is not only the problem with the commas, but also that it interferes with the search engine. (When I search with the exact phrase "Nyzhnia Khortytsia", it does not find [[Place:Nyz︠h︡ni︠a︡ Khortyt︠s︡i︠a︡, Zaporiz︠h︡z︠h︡i︠a︡, Zaporizhia, Ukraine]]). I'm wondering if WeRelate should drop these indicators in place names (which seem to have been picked up solely from the Family History Library Catalogue). If they were to be removed through automation, I assume that duplicate place page names might result. (For example, [[Place:Verkhna Khortytsya, Zaporizhia, Ukraine]] and [[Place:Verkhni︠a︡ Khortyt︠s︡ya, Zaporizhia, Ukraine]] are almost identical other than the indicators.) This would result in a bit more work (to identify and merge the duplicates), but would result in better overall quality. I'll let you think about the best way to proceed on this (fix all bugs related to the indicators or simply remove them). --[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 16:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
-== Pedigree-Charts covering people from several trees [16 October 2010] ==+== Removal of some content [10 December 2013] ==
-I have my data uploaded in different trees. When I select for a pedigree-chart only people of one tree are reflected, although the connections (child => parents) are defined, but the parents are in another tree. When I make the pedigree-chart within the other tree, only persons from that one tree are reflected. In my opinion the idea of WeRelate should be that all connected persons should come together. Klaas --[[User:Ekjansen|Ekjansen]] 03:50, 27 September 2010 (EDT)+How do I go about removing content relating to a descendant?
-:Klaas, when viewing your pedigree chart, are you using the Family Tree Explorer (FTE)? I think Dallan can speak better to how FTE works, as I never used it myself. I can see, however, that only the pedigree from one tree is viewable that way. Instead, if you go to a person and click on More, Pedigree-Map you should be able to see a chart that spans multiple trees. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 05:18, 27 September 2010 (EDT)+Although it may be factually correct, it serves no purpose being placed here.--[[User:LAPace|LAPace]] 14:25, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
-::Jennifer, I am not using the FTE (this is not my thing) I look for the Pedigree-Map and there it shows only persons from one tree. Klaas --[[User:Ekjansen|Ekjansen]] 05:50, 27 September 2010 (EDT)+:Do you mean that there is narrative on a person's page that gives information on the person's descendant and you don't think it belongs on that page? If so, you can edit the page and remove the content. In the summary, note what you have done and why (e.g., "removed info about a descendant - does not belong on this page").
-:::The Pedigree-Map ''should'' show all ancestors regardless of what personal tree they are in. I can click on any other user's person and view their pedigree, even though they are not in any of my personal trees. Can you give an example of one of your pages where this is happening so I can take a look?--[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 05:56, 27 September 2010 (EDT)+:Does that answer your question? If not, can you indicate which page you are thinking of and maybe I can take a look.--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 02:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
-Pedigree of Hendrik Jansen [http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Hendrik_Jansen_(6)]+== correcting a family [3 November 2013] ==
-and the pedigree of his father Evert Jansen: [http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Evert_Jansen_(2)] --[[User:Ekjansen|Ekjansen]] 06:30, 27 September 2010 (EDT)+
-:This is definitely one for Dallan to answer, as it looks like a system bug to me. I can see that you connected Evert to his parents in [http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person%3AEvert_Jansen_%282%29&diff=15211232&oldid=15199269 this edit]. I thought it may be an issue with the system not recognizing this, so I made a null-edit on that page in an attempt to refresh it. That didn't help either. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 06:43, 27 September 2010 (EDT)+
-::The pedigree-maps are supposed to work the way you mention -- include people even if they're in different trees. I just looked at these two pages, and it appears that both pedigrees reference both people & trees now. Is it working now for you as well?+
-::This is especially odd because the pedigree-maps don't do a lot of caching, so I'm a bit stumped trying to figure out what went wrong.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 23:25, 1 October 2010 (EDT)+
-::Could it just be, that it takes quite some time to build up the references? I'll have my holydays now and will look in 10 days again. --[[User:Ekjansen|Klaas (Ekjansen)]] 02:16, 2 October 2010 (EDT)+
-:::It shouldn't; it reads the database directly to create the pedigrees. Let me know when you get back, and have great holidays!--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 09:47, 2 October 2010 (EDT)+
-::Dallan, I can see where the pedigree in Klaas' example is now displaying correctly. I have had the same problem occur myself. I can't put my finger on a previous example, but perhaps you can replicate it. If you were to edit [[Person:Jan Van Der Veen (3)]] and add [[Family:Rienk Van Der Veen and Trijntje Leijstra (1)]] as his parents, you may be able to see it. Right now the pedigree for [http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Rienk_Van_Der_Veen_%282%29 Rienk] shows no grandparents. Ideally, they should display after you make the above edit. Well, hopefully this works - a bit like bringing your car in to the shop, it will never make the noise for the mechanic! --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 10:40, 2 October 2010 (EDT)+
-:::I know what you mean about the car and the mechanic. I edited [[Person:Jan Van Der Veen (3)]] and added [[Family:Rienk Van Der Veen and Trijntje Leijstra (1)]] as his parents. I then forced a browser refresh for the pedigree for [http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Rienk_Van_Der_Veen_%282%29 Rienk] and it showed his grandparents. You know -- that may be the issue: the browser has cached the previous version of the page. If that's the case, hitting refresh on the browser might solve the problem.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 16:02, 2 October 2010 (EDT)+
-::::Thanks for trying to replicate this. I did think about browser cache when Klaas brought this up. The thing is, I had never looked at his example page before, so it wasn't in cache for me. When I notice this happening again, I'll post another example here.--[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 17:45, 2 October 2010 (EDT)+
-:::::Thanks.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 18:09, 2 October 2010 (EDT)+
-*The problem is not solved yet: the pedigree-chart of Hendrik Jansen [http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Hendrik_Jansen_%286%29] stops with Geert de Lange [http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Geert_De_Lange_%282%29] and Franke Ten Hoor [http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Franke_Ten_Hoor_%282%29], but their ancestry is also in WeRelate. The only problem I see is that they are in different trees. --[[User:Ekjansen|Klaas (Ekjansen)]] 06:40, 12 October 2010 (EDT)+
-:Ok, I finally see what's going on. The problem is that although Geert's parents appear on her Person page: [[Person:Geert De Lange (2)]], they didn't get copied to her family page: [[Family:Geert De Lange and Berendtje De Lange (1)]], where they should appear in small print above her name. The fact that they didn't get copied to her family page is a bug. The bug shows up in the pedigree, because the pedigree reads her parents from her family page instead of her person page. I've logged the bug and will work on it -- thanks for being persistent. Until it gets fixed, the workaround is to edit her person page and remove her parents (and save the page), then re-edit her person page and re-add her parents. This should cause them to be copied to her family page.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 14:11, 16 October 2010 (EDT) 
-== Searching for Sources [15 October 2010] ==+I have removed the incorrect wife of [[Person:Thomas Rockwell (11)]], however her name still appears with an "add" link.
-Is there a preferred way to search for a Source? If I go Search, Sources, enter Victoria, Australia in the Title box, select Vital records in the Subject box and then Search I get 176 sources. Mixed in with those souces I'm looking for (at about number 60 & 61) are sources for Canada, Mexico, Phillipines, South Africa and all of the Australian states without any obvious ways to refine the search. Also, if I want to find the same source that I used a few months ago, I need to go though this process to re-find it and hopefully select the correct one (there can be lots of similar sources). If the sources had a number I could make a note of it to speed things up. I have been trying to do re-directs on a few of these similar sources to make things a bit easier for others (fortunately there are not many other links to these sources yet). If I try adding the word Births after Australia, I then end up with 3655 sources. Cheers Ken.--[[User:Kenamoore|Kenamoore]] 22:10, 4 October 2010 (EDT)+How can I get a correct page for Thomas T. Rockwell, Sr?--[[User:Prcb|Prcb]] 19:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 +:You would need to go to the [[Family:Thomas Rockwell and Sarah Clawson (1)|family page]], click the Rename link on the left, and enter ''Family:Thomas Rockwell and Unknown'' as the new title. Don't include a number after it (the system will assign this for you). --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 19:07, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
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-The source title field has an autocomplete feature. Once you set the namespace to Source, anything you type in the title field will try to match sources whose page title starts with the same string. A list of such matches appears in a popup and you can select it from that list (there is a limit somewhere around 75-100, to how many titles will show up in the popup list). It is case sensitive, so it has to be exact. Once you find a source, you usually can remember the title and figure out the minimum string necessary to bring back a short list containing that source. 
-For geographic sources, like most vital records and most church records, the title of the page starts with the place name. So type in enough of the place name to be unique, pause for a couple of seconds, and then you will get all the titles that start with that place name. For books, the title is last name, first name of the main author, then the title, so usually typing in the author's name is sufficient to get a list including the desired title.+That's it, thanks!--[[User:Prcb|Prcb]] 12:52, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
-If you go to the find/add screen to do your search, possibly because you can't figure out how to get the autocomplete to suggest the desired title, be aware that the search is an OR (union) of the criteria as opposed to what I think is most intuitive, namely, an AND (intersection) of the criteria. So if you know something concretely, it is almost better to type in that criteria ''only'' and do an exact match. For example, put Victoria, Australia in the place field and nothing else. Less is more usually, in terms of getting a focused result. Adding more search criteria will usually result in more results returned. --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 22:49, 4 October 2010 (EDT)+== About East Asian language support. [15 November 2013] ==
 + 
 +Hi, I am just wondering how well does this site support on East Asian languages, i.e. Chinese (either traditional or simplified), Japanese or Korean etc. I have tried to import a GEDCOM file, exported from GRAMPS, containing Chinese character as well as other Chinese name styles (aka courtesy name). Then I found out the GEDCOM validation shows that most of the entries were excluded (Not sure why, but one warning caught my attention: 'There is only one character in surname').
 + 
 +A little short bio about myself: I am currently trying to trace my heritage of my family, which could go back to 17th century. I was happy using GRAMPS on building the huge heritage tree, then I realize that I need something like a wikipedia to call out others and toegether to finis this work. That is how I came across to this website. I love the concept and layout/visuals of the family tree. However, the first thing I stumbled is that it seemly support most of the English-like language (or fusional language perhaps). I have a CS background and have been programming for many years. If there is anything that I can help with this website, please let me know - I notice this is an open source project:).--[[User:Shannaracat|Shannaracat]] 02:08, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +: Hello and welcome!! I'm pretty sure that the WeRelate interface can handle any UTF-8 strings as far as encoding, but I think that there may be other parts (such as the GEDCOM importer) that may have English-language-based assumptions (such as dates, name length, etc.). If you can figure out why your imports are failing, I would file a request at [[WeRelate:Suggestions]] to fix it.
 + 
 +: Then, ideally, come help us at [[WeRelate:Website_features]] to fix it! [[User:Dallan]] is the original developer of much of the site, and has recently open-sourced the code. A number of us are working on getting it really up-and-running as an open source project (with "us" being used loosely, as I haven't done much yet). We'd love to have your help. -- [[User:Jdfoote1|Jdfoote1]] 19:50, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
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-Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but the autocomplete feature does not seem to work for me in either the Search, Source, Title field or the Place field, however I have seen it work in other fields so I know what you mean. Could you please try it?+Hi, thanks for the swift reply. I browsed the source code on git a little bit, and found out that the majority of the code that involve with naming convention / format is currently English-language-based. Convention such as 'People from East Asian countries where the surname comes first' does not seem to be fully supported yet. I would love to offer my help on this (i18n) topic or other technical subjects as well:) Is there anyone that I could contact with in learning about the overview / future road map of this project? Thanks in advance.--[[User:Shannaracat|Shannaracat]] 10:15, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
-Also, when the source titles are very similar it is almost impossible to remember which one to use several months later. Regards Ken--[[User:Kenamoore|Kenamoore]] 23:40, 4 October 2010 (EDT)+ 
 +:Keeper of the roadmap for I18N? I guess that would be me. I'll write more on your talk page. --[[User:Pkeegstra|Pkeegstra]] 11:32, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +::The near-term goal is to get WeRelate migrated to the latest version of MediaWiki. I need to review the modifications to the mediawiki-core code and re-make them on the latest version or see if new hooks have been added now. Once that's done I think we'll be ready for additional contributions; we'd love to have your help!--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 04:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
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-Further to this, there is a difference when entering the Search WeRelate screen from Search (on the top menu bar), Sources, compared with entering the find/add page screen from Editing Person, Source Citations, Title field, find/add >>+Thanks Dallan :) Let me know if there is anything I could help you with. Great site!--[[User:Shannaracat|Shannaracat]] 03:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
-The find/add page screen works as you described, however the Search WeRelate screen does not. Regards Ken--[[User:Kenamoore|Kenamoore]] 07:08, 5 October 2010 (EDT)+
-:I use autocomplete all the time so it works for me just fine, for Source titles, and place names. I use firefox. I don't know, and can't guess, to what extent its operation may be affected by which browser you use or the preferences you have set?+== Collection of formatting guidelines or best practices [10 November 2013] ==
-:I was merely trying to describe how I use autocomplete, as I find it very useful/functional in specifying sources. As always, it may not fit your preferred work style as well. It wasn't meant to be an overview of all the search screens.+I'm wondering if there exists a page that outlines the best way to put together a page for a person. If WeRelate truly seeks to be a collaborative effort, it seems like we should aim for uniformity in the style of the pages that we create, no?
-:However, to your points, the search box in the top menu bar search merely sticks the words into the Keyword field, so this is behaves little differently. That search box is specifically designed to provide a quick search capability, and so doesn't offer all the same control the others do, though I am pretty sure it is built on the same search capability.+For example, I've been wondering:
 +* Do I attach a census to an individual page or the family page for the family he was in at the time?
 +* Should I attach images of a census?
 +** If so, should they be the whole page, or just a crop around the family?
 +* Should I transcribe the census in the source entry?
 +* Where is the best place to link to so others can find the source? Archive.org? FamilySearch.org? Ancestry?
 +* How long should a life sketch be, and what should the format be?
-:I believe the regular Search->Source screen does work the same as the find/add search. I picked a source I am familiar with to pretend I was searching for something specific. Using Search->Source, I search for author Willis and I get 547 results. I search for author Willis and title Portland, and I get 916 results. (Only some subset of sources matching author Willis could have Portland in the title, but the result set didn't get smaller, it got bigger. So the only answer is that now it matches the original 547 having author Willis, plus those additional sources that don't have author Willis but do have Portland in the title, i.e., a union.) I tried to add a source citation, and used the find/add function, trying the same two sets of criteria, and I get the same two result counts. It appears to give the identical functionality to me. --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 09:27, 5 October 2010 (EDT)+It seems like it would be great to have some basic guidelines on some of these questions. Maybe that already exists somewhere, but I haven't seen it? - [[User:Jdfoote1|Jdfoote1]] 17:31, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +== GEDCOM upload to Record name field? [12 November 2013] ==
 + 
 +Is there a GEDCOM tag that will upload to the Record name field within a source citation?--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 02:16, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +:Actually, there isn't a GEDCOM tag that will upload to the Record name field.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 04:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Removing GEDCOMs [14 November 2013] ==
 + 
 + Is there a way to delete a specific offending uploaded GEDCOM from my tree without deleting the entire tree and starting over?--[[User:Av|Av]] 01:30, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Places not shown on map [14 November 2013] ==
 + 
 +Some Finnish places are not shown on the map - can you please help in this!
 +http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Place:Tampere%2C_H%C3%A4me%2C_Finland
 +http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Place:H%C3%A4meenlinna%2C_H%C3%A4me%2C_Finland
 +http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Place:Dragsfj%C3%A4rd%2C_Turku-Pori%2C_Finland
 +http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Place:Kemi%C3%B6%2C_Turku-Pori%2C_Finland
 +They are not all small municipalities - Tampere is the 2nd biggest city of Finland.
 +In some cases, it helped to add coordinates or change the place name into its current, not historical name.
 +Werelate is very US Centric, there you often can tag places even within metropolitan regions. To make this great platform really work, also non-US locations should be made visible! I'm volunteering to correct these if only I get some info on how to do it.--[[User:Sjundea|Sjundea]] 21:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Submitted gedcom on Kelly family. [16 November 2013] ==
 + 
 +Can you remove the name of Anna Clara Kelly's great-granddaughter? She is a living person. Thanks, EKBDVA--[[User:EKBDVA|EKBDVA]] 20:55, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 +:Do you have a link to this page on WeRelate, or is this an item that is in your GEDCOM that is still in user review? --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 20:58, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
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-I use IE8 so I would have thought it should work fine. As I said before, the Search-> Source screen does not provide autocomplete in the "Place" field whereas the find/add search screen does provide autocomplete in the "Place" field. The search which you described did not utilize the Place field.+Still in review--[[User:EKBDVA|EKBDVA]] 22:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 +:Since the file is still in review, no page has been created to delete. You would need to go into the file review (instructions are on your talk page under Next step: Review your GEDCOM). On the People tab, there are check boxes on the left side to exclude pages from import. However, I don't see anyone in the file still living, perhaps she wasn't included in your upload? If you would like to proceed with importing this GEDCOM, you would need to review the file then go to the Import tab and press Ready to Import. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 12:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
-Is there any good reason why each individual source does not have an individual identifier such as a number? I have seen a case where 2 sources have virtually identical titles except that one has an additional comma. It would be helpful in future when discussing with others which souces to redirect, combine or delete.+== Warning: Elmira Kelly [18 November 2013] ==
-No one seems to be making any attempt to fix up all of those similar sources, which do not have any links to them nor anyone watching them. Multiple entries seem to have been created by people from the Family History Centres.--[[User:Kenamoore|Kenamoore]] 20:35, 5 October 2010 (EDT)+More research reveals Elmira's maiden name was Bamberger. Can I edit this or must you do it from your end?
-:Source searching is a known problem right now :-(. Better searching is the next feature to be launched, at which time the search criteria will be AND'ed instead of OR'ed, and sources will be ranked based upon how many people have linked to them or are watching them. You're right that the Search screen doesn't have auto-complete on the Place field, while the Find/Add screen does have auto-complete on the place field. That will get fixed as well. In the meantime, the source auto-complete on Person & Family pages is your best option unfortunately.+The date of Herbert's birth is correct. He was born out of wedlock and his mother later married Frank Bamberger who adopted Herbert.--[[User:EKBDVA|EKBDVA]] 16:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
-:BTW, the reason that there are similar sources is when the website was first launched several years ago, I gathered existing sources from the Family History Library Catalog, Ancestry, and a number of genealogy websites. In hindsight this was probably a mistake. Cleaning up and merging those sources turned out to be a ''huge'' job. A lot of people put a lot of effort into a [[WeRelate:Source renaming project|source renaming project]] last year, and the sources are much better now because of it, but as you've pointed out, there is still more work that could be done, and some people are continuing to clean them up.+:Would you happen to have a link for the page you're referring?--[[User:Khaentlahn|Khaentlahn]] 17:09, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
-:I like the idea of bringing sources that you've used before to the top of the list. It won't happen right away, but I'll think about how this could be implemented in the future. One thing that you can do right now that will help: Watch the sources that you tend to reuse, and check "Show only Watched" in the search form.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 18:29, 6 October 2010 (EDT)+----
 +I am very new to your website and having trouble moving around within it. Elmira Kelly is the wife of Richard Kelly, look for David Kelly.--[[User:EKBDVA|EKBDVA]] 18:17, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +:If you look at the top of the page for the person you're referencing, there is the menu showing '''Home | Search | List | Add | My Relate | Admin'''. Directly under '''Home''' should be a '''Person:''' or '''Family:''' designation, such as [[Person:Richard Kelly (13)|Person:Richard Kelly (13)]] or [[Family:John Kelly and Letitia Horton (1)|Family:John Kelly and Letitia Horton (1)]]. You can click on either of these examples to help explain further. From this, can you determine the Person or Family designation for your individuals so we might help more effectively?--[[User:Khaentlahn|Khaentlahn]] 18:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 +:Similar to the question above, this file is still in GEDCOM review. You would need to make these edits on your home software and resubmit the file for review. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 18:55, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +::Unaware this was a GEDCOM review question. My apologies.--[[User:Khaentlahn|Khaentlahn]] 19:17, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Maps all Global? [8 January 2014] ==
 + 
 +Did something change in the Google Maps call semantics? All the maps, no matter how tight the cluster of points, seem to be coming out global. --[[User:Pkeegstra|Pkeegstra]] 11:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 +:It appears that way. This would need to be fixed on Dallan's end. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 19:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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-Thanks for this Dallan - I'm sure we all appreciate your time & efforts in trying to get everything just right and know that we can't get everything fixed immeadiately - I'm sure we can live with minor issues for now.+Would it be possible to return to the old "closer to the location" map on the place pages soon?
 +:*We use the maps to verify if the place we have selected is the correct one of a number with similar names.
 +:*We may be adding the coords to a place and want to check if we have mis-keyed and placed it incorrectly (like in the middle of an ocean).
 +The whole world map is not helpful. Expanding it brings up another world map on which we have to pinpoint the area we are working on. And the pinpointing takes a long time when you are working on a relatively small area in terms of world-space like one county in the United Kingdom.
-Has there been any discussion on giving every individual source say a 9 digit identification number? It can be very difficult trying to identify a particular source - especially when the titles are very similar - when discussing it with someone else.+Into the bargain the global map takes a long time to load. This is frustrating when a county page is being used as an index, and we are waiting for ctrl+f to come up to find the link we want. (The map has to load completely before ctrl+f works.)
 + 
 +If we can't have the old map image back, can we at least have an explanation why?--[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 07:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
-Another possibility - could we have favourites? I am effectively doing this by watching sources. Cheers - Ken--[[User:Kenamoore|Kenamoore]] 19:23, 6 October 2010 (EDT) 
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-I Watch the sources that I use regularly. They check Watched box in the Search screen. +So glad to see the former, "closer to the location", Google map back on the Place Pages. I have already replaced unintentional "E"s with "W"s today and thus put several places in Yorkshire back on dry land again. All the best to everyone for 2014. --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 16:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
-Some people just keep a User page with a list of their regular sources. --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 19:54, 6 October 2010 (EDT)+ 
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-Yes, that's how I manage it. I tend to use the same 50-60 sources over and over, and I can't always remember what they're all called (some are similar to each other, same county and so on), so I keep a list of them in a plain text file. When I'm doing a bunch of info-adding that needs to be sourced, I just open that file and copy/paste. That also reminds me of whether I've actually used a source before, or whether it's a new one for me. It's rather kludgy, but it works. --<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:20px;">[[User:Mksmith|Mike]]</font><font color="purple" size="2.5" face="papyrus"><sup>[[User Talk:Mksmith|Talk]]</sup> </font> 10:20, 7 October 2010 (EDT) 
-:I'd rather not add a 9-digit number to every source page title. But if two sources have confusingly-similar page titles (the same except for punctuation, etc.) and you want to distinguish them, I think it would be ok for you to rename those two pages and add the publication-year in parentheses to the end of the page titles. That's been done before when it's been necessary to distinguish between two different editions of a book.+Alas, is it my imagination or have we lost the capability to click on the full-page map to retrieve coordinates? I used to use that all the time in constructing place pages. --[[User:Pkeegstra|Pkeegstra]] 19:20, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
-:For now, watching the sources or writing them down is the best way to have a list of favorites. In the future, I like the idea of keeping track of the sources you've linked-to in the past and moving these sources to the top of the auto-complete drop-down (assuming they match what you've entered so far). Similarly for places.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 10:28, 7 October 2010 (EDT)+== Connecting person pages to an Article page [25 November 2013] ==
-::As others suggested, I've created some user pages for my "links I want to remember" at various times, tho I find after I go through the effort to make them, I end up not using them very often. Anyway, I recall some discussion about a possible "favorites" list at some point early on; I think Dallan felt it would be duplicative of other bookmarks managers. And, when the autocomplete works, it's like a really focused bookmarks list - very effective.+A friend and I are working on a project in which we are recording records for orphans which attended a specific Civil war orphan school in Pennsylvania.
 +I have built an article page and there is a box on the edit for adding persons
 +I attempted to add a person page that my friend built. However the entry I made says the page doesn't exist and it will not let me kill the created empty page. i also cannot load the correct person page.
-::I too have experienced a recent failure in the autocomplete function in some, but not all fields. I haven't yet worked out what could be causing it, but based on the fact the feature works for other weRelate users with the same browser as I use (either Chrome or Explorer) I'm assuming it's something in my settings. I'll let you know if I figure out what it is...+Is there a way to connect these two pages
 +http://www.werelate.org/wiki/White_Hall_School%2C_A_Summary
 +and the person page
 +http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Clarence_Keiffer_%284%29
 +Thanks--[[User:Mm103|Mm103]] 23:43, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
-:::The autocomplete is triggered once by a change to the field. Sometimes if I do something that causes focus to leave the field (click on a different field, perhaps a popup steals the focus), I mess up the sequence of events that would normally trigger autocomplete. Or I accidentally dismiss it and want it back. In that case, I merely delete the last letter I typed and retype it, and it triggers the autocomplete afresh. Don't know if something like that is all that is needed, or if you are experiencing a bigger problem? --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 12:49, 8 October 2010 (EDT)+: Hi - sounds like a great project! The easiest way to connect people to a page is just to make a link to the people in the body of the page. I've taken the liberty of creating a "Students" section, and adding a link to Clarence Keiffer, so that you can see how the formatting works. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting this page] may help you to figure out the syntax. It looks confusing at first, but it isn't bad at all once you get the hang of it. -- [[User:Jdfoote1|Jdfoote1]] 03:08, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
-::::No, there is something else that was going awry. Not sure what it is yet, as I haven't been back to a project that would involve updating citations via autocomplete in a bit. But I'm going to try it again soon, and see if I can figure it out. This was an abrupt change, where I was adding info to numerous citations and suddenly was unable to "copy" from my prior entry into the field. It did not affect the actual citation source title field; that one still did autocomplete. However, some of the other fields, like Volume/Pages and Date, stopped autocompleting. I recently (after this issue arose) updated to IE8; I will test and see if it happens still. However, I generally use Chrome when I'm working in WeRelate.--[[User:Kennebec1|Brenda (kennebec1)]] 14:00, 14 October 2010 (EDT)+== person married himself [4 December 2013] ==
-:::::The autocomplete for the Volume/Pages and Date fields within a source citation is provided by your browser using previous responses, not by WeRelate. So it probably did have something to do with changing/updating browsers. WeRelate can only do autocomplete for fields where the entry is looked up to see if it exists, i.e., fields that correspond to a namespace, like Place, Source, Family (in spouse or parents field of Person page), etc. Because WeRelate takes over the autocomplete on these, the browser is unable to. But fields where WeRelate has no stored set of answers to use in anticipating your input, it does nothing, allowing your browser to offer you a list of previous input values if you have your set preferences set right. (On Firefox go to Tools->Privacy, and either remember history, of use custom settings for history, see the details in the Help.) Both types of autocomplete are great aids in manual entry of pages. --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 15:13, 14 October 2010 (EDT)+On the person page for James Arthur Matthews, Jr (http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:James_Matthews_%2867%29), under Facts & Events, it shows James Matthews is married to himself. But on the Family Page, it shows him correctly married to Sara Belle Turner. Any way to correct this? What might be part of the problem is the fact that James & Sara were 1st cousins. James' mother and Sara's father were siblings. Maybe this is confusing the software?--[[User:Marytennessee|Marytennessee]] 13:50, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 +:This happened because James' gender was set to Female. I changed it to male which corrected the Facts and Events listing. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 13:55, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
-::::::Thank you! It was my guess that it had to be something with my browser/autocomplete function, but because it looks and works the same as the werelate autocomplete, I wasn't sure. I'm going to go mess with my browser settings now... --[[User:Kennebec1|Brenda (kennebec1)]] 19:43, 15 October 2010 (EDT)+== Sources for info in Place pages [7 December 2013] ==
-::Finally, there are definitely more duplicate sources out there despite our massive source review project last year; if you have time, feel free to fix them. If you don't have time, is there a way such issues could be flagged for review? I'd be happy to review problem sources; I've been working for the past year reviewing Maine-related sources and updating and de-duping them (though I've only gotten to M, so I've got a ways to go yet).--[[User:Kennebec1|Brenda (kennebec1)]] 12:14, 7 October 2010 (EDT)+I just updated Place:Delmas, Saskatchewan, Canada based upon information I found in the book People Places: Saskatchewan ad its People by Bill Barry. I wanted to provide the source for my paraphrase and used the Source function, but it appears as a full inclusion of the source page. I removed the source function and linked to the source page instead.
-== Can't access Matthew Winans' person page [7 October 2010] ==+Is there a better method to include a source reference on place pages?--[[User:RGMoffat|RGMoffat]] 17:49, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
-A few days back I was transfering a 3-page descendancy to '''Matthew Winans (1)''', so that I could then distribute part of said descendancy to other pages & eventually eliminate the descendancy altogether. Something happened and now I cannot access the page at all. I even used my niece's user name & password which helped yesterday. Now neither my nor my niece's user name & password allow me access. Instead the program freezes & I have to Ctrl Alt Del to get out. I'm here at the library as always. '''Help !''' I don't mind starting all over again creating Matthew, but I'd rather not have Matthew Winans (1) floating out there in lala land.--[[User:Neal Gardner|Neal Gardner]] 10:23, 5 October 2010 (EDT)+== Renaming Vienna [8 December 2013] ==
-Now I can not access person page for Matthew Winans' mother, Rebecca Connant (1) either. I need some intervention, I don't want to lose a handful of ancestors. '''Help, help, help !'''--[[User:Neal Gardner|Neal Gardner]] 11:37, 5 October 2010 (EDT)+I have tried to rename Vienna "Wien", but I need an administrator to do it because it has subordinate places attached to it.--[[User:Werebear|Werebear]] 14:29, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
-:Neal, I can access [[Person:Matthew Winans (1)]] and [[Person:Rebecca Connett (1)]] using both Firefox and Chrome. Internet Explorer is having a problem with it though. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 11:43, 5 October 2010 (EDT)+
-:I edited your [[Person:Rebecca Connett (1)]] page as a test. See if you can view it now using IE. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 11:55, 5 October 2010 (EDT)+
-Got into Rebecca Connant (1) and was able to edit and get out. Have to leave library, but will try Matthew when I get back. Thanks a whole bunch. Thought a fungus was taking over..{:>)--[[User:Neal Gardner|Neal Gardner]] 12:13, 5 October 2010 (EDT)+== Sandbox GEDCOM - Cannot Review [10 December 2013] ==
-:Glad it worked! I'll edit the Matthew page too. This time I'll put the descendancy in a note field, instead of a source field (since that's the more appropriate place for it).+
-:This will provide a clue for Dallan though as to why the page was so unliked by IE.--[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 12:17, 5 October 2010 (EDT)+
-Thanks Jennifer. Everything back to normal. Didn't realize temporarily using Bio section was vulnerable. --[[User:Neal Gardner|Neal Gardner]] 14:58, 5 October 2010 (EDT)+I submitted a GEDCOM to the sandbox and got the "Next Step: Review your GEDCOM" message, but the GedcomReviewMessage template is sitting there ( http://sandbox.werelate.org/wiki/User_talk:DataAnalyst ) and not resolved to a link.
-:I don't think it is the "Bio" (Personal History) section that is the problem per se. I started up IE (normally use Firefox) and didn't have a problem even with the older revisions. But I did note that a warning was displayed: "WARNING: This page is 48 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb." --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 16:23, 5 October 2010 (EDT)+I think I figured out that the link should be sandbox.werelate.org/gedcom/index.php?gedcomid=3, but when I tried that, there was an error.
-::I haven't seen a browser actually crash on a page for a long time. The indentation in the descendancy tree causes the text to be rendered inside an HTML "pre" tag. I've changed (again) how pre tags are styled. The default styling is to never wrap lines of text; in WeRelate, "pre" tags now wrap lines of text when they get too long. I reverted [[Person:Matthew Winans (1)]] to what it used to be and looked at it in IE7, IE8, Chrome, and Firefox. It now looks good in all of them.+Sorry to be a pain needing support in the Sandbox, and this is not urgent, but I would appreciate this being fixed (soon if possible). I can easily upload the GEDCOM again if necessary. Thanks--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 00:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
-::Changing the styling of pre tags may have negative consequences on other pages. If anyone notices indented text not being rendered well elsewhere, would you please bring it to my attention?--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 10:19, 7 October 2010 (EDT)+== fhlc template problem [10 December 2013] ==
-== Where's Wiki Help? [11 October 2010] ==+<nowiki>{{source-fhlc|26375}}</nowiki> contains a list of 3 items for a place named Myton in Yorkshire.
-The WR help pages sometimes refer one to Wikipedia help for more extensive how-to information. This seems appropriate as it saves reinventing the wheel by rewriting help here. But I have problems when using the Wikipedia help to try to do things on WeRelate. The answer seems to always be "because we are using an older version of Mediawiki". I'd like to save a day or two of frustration by using the appropriate documentation. Is there a site that has the help appropriate for our version of Mediawiki? --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 13:11, 9 October 2010 (EDT)+There are two Mytons in Yorkshire. One is a suburb of [[Place:Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire, England|Hull]] (source:[http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/Hull/index.html ''GENUKI'']) and the other is a village named [[Place:Myton-on-Swale, North Riding of Yorkshire, England|Myton-on-Swale]]. The three items in the fhlc list are entitled Cemeteries, Church Records and History. Cemeteries definitely refers to Myton-on-Swale, the Church Records are for Myton in Hull, and the History is more likely for Myton-on-Swale considering the people listed in Wikipedia who lived there, but either might be possible.
-:You can look at old versions of wikipedia (and many other websites) by going to [http://archive.org Archive.org]. Enter the URL you want to see a previous version of in the "Wayback machine". The version you want is from July 2006. Yes, it's been awhile. :-(. This is not a perfect solution, but will have to do until I upgrade to the latest version next year.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 18:31, 11 October 2010 (EDT)+Suggestions, please. I would like to redirect Myton to Myton-on-Swale. --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 16:46, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
-::Thanks. I have no previous wiki experience, but I'd like to learn a few new tricks every now and then. I had no idea where to get information. Off to explore the past (appropriate for a genealogist) --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 18:39, 11 October 2010 (EDT)+== merging cemetery pages [14 December 2013] ==
-== Formatting an Article [21 October 2010] ==+There are two pages for
 +[[Place:Mount Olivet Cemetery, Parkersburg, Wood, West Virginia, United States]] and
 +[[Place:Mt. Olivet Cemetery, Parkersburg, Wood, West Virginia, United States]]
-I'm having trouble formatting an article so that it is readable see [[Journal of Harriett M Rendell September 1869]]. In the text box I keep entering Carriage Return [Enter] to make a space between lines and to seperate text but these spaces don't appear when I preview. I have tried looking at the featured page on Wiiliam H. Smith to see if I could get any ideas without luck. What am I doing wrong? Also, is setting up an article the preferred way to present this journal? Cheers - Ken--[[User:Kenamoore|Kenamoore]] 07:27, 20 October 2010 (EDT)+I'm not sure how to merge them. Could someone please do that? --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 02:38, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
-:I wonder if this is a "negative consequence" that Dallan referred to [[WeRelate_talk:Support#Can.27t_access_Matthew_Winans.27_person_page_.5B7_October_2010.5D|above here]] when he said "Changing the styling of pre tags may have negative consequences on other pages. If anyone notices indented text not being rendered well elsewhere, would you please bring it to my attention?" Your text works on person pages but not articles, so this may be an unintended result of Dallan's restyling.--[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 07:34, 20 October 2010 (EDT)+
-::Hmmm. That's very strange. I went immediately to take a look at [[The Problem of William H. Smith|The Problem of William H. Smith]], which is an article referenced on the William H. Smith Person page, and it still looks the way it ought to. However, the difference may be that almost everything of any substance -- and certainly anything that long -- that I post has first been written offline, either as a memo in TMG or as a Word doc, and then copy/pasted into the text box in WeRelate. Perhaps that means the imported text isn't quite as "bare" as I had thought, and that codes for "hard return" are being imported -- I don't know.+----
 +Done.--[[User:Khaentlahn|Khaentlahn]] 03:04, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +== image on person page [29 December 2013] ==
 + 
 +Someone has uploaded and attached a photo to the [[Person:William Jackson (348)|Person:William Jackson (348)]] page. The photo falls at the bottom of the page but would look so much better at the top of the page with the text wrapping to the side and then on down the page. Can that be done? --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 15:59, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 +:I've moved the image to the main box - is this what you had in mind? [[User:AndrewRT|AndrewRT]] 20:03, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +Yes, that's exactly what I had in mind! Thank you Andrew! The picture was added by a new user who has also added a ''lot of detail'' to this family. --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 20:11, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Problem on Watercooler page [5 January 2014] ==
 + 
 +For the past 12 hours the Watercooler page is displaying at 1-1/2 the width of the screen in "View the Changes" mode. Is this a WR problem or something in my browser? I haven't noticed it on any other website. --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 10:09, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:It looks fine on my browser. But I've seen that happen when a long URL is written without protecting it in []. If you still see it, it would be helpful if you could go back thru the page history and tell us which revision first has the problem. --[[User:Pkeegstra|Pkeegstra]] 12:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Email notification for propagated changes [6 January 2014] ==
 + 
 +I often get email notifications where a page has been changed to propagate changes on other pages (e.g. changes to the person on a family page). These change notifications are rarely useful as I am normally watching the actual page that has changed. Is there any way to change the settings so that I can disable email notifications from such propagated changes? [[User:AndrewRT|AndrewRT]] 14:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Wrong redirect [10 January 2014] ==
 + 
 +[[Person:Margaret Unknown (1923)]] died at "Holcomb, near Dawlish", i.e. [[wp:Holcombe, Teignbridge|Holcombe, Teignbridge, Devon, England]]. However, if I enter that, an automatic redirect is made to [[Place:Holcombe Rogus, Devon, England|Holcombe Rogus]], which is also in Devon, but a [[wp:Holcombe Rogus|different village]]. How can this be fixed?--[[User:Schneid9|schneid9]] 16:56, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:It's not a redirect, just a placepipe. But there is no place defined at 50.5647 N 3.47667 W. Once an appropriate place is defined, the person page can be editted to point to that place page. P.S. is [[Place:Hollacombe, Devon, England|this Hollacombe]] yet another distinct place? --[[User:Pkeegstra|Pkeegstra]] 19:19, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +::OK, but in this case I would have preferred the software to create a ''red'' link rather than "high-handedly" link to the ''wrong'' place. [http://goo.gl/maps/rhuON Holcombe], [http://goo.gl/maps/hpZ5u Holcombe Rogus] and [http://goo.gl/maps/ELNvZ Hollacombe] are indeed three different places in Devon. In any case, being rather new here, I don't feel competent yet to create a new place page ... -- [[User:Schneid9|schneid9]] 21:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:::The software has certain heuristics so that it can identify places even in the absence of a literal match. In this case those heuristics were confused because there was no page for the right place. If none of our England subject matter experts creates the page by this weekend, I'll go ahead and do that. Is "Holcomb Teignbridge" a good name? --[[User:Pkeegstra|Pkeegstra]] 11:28, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +::::Well, Wikipedia uses [[wp:Holcombe, Teignbridge|that name]] (with a comma), [[wp:Teignbridge|Teignbridge]] being the local government district, but the semi-official website of the village itself just says [http://www.holcombedevon.co.uk Holcombe]. As the other two villages are called Holcombe ''Rogus'' and Hol''la''combe respectively, I think that in principle Holcombe alone would be sufficient. In any case, thanks for your efforts. -- [[User:Schneid9|schneid9]] 13:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:::::OK, Holcombe as primary and Holcomb Teignbridge as alt name sounds like a plan then.....
-::As far as using a article to present this sort of lengthy info, I think that's a very good way to handle it. Either in an article or as a source page, actually. I've been doing that with cemetery transcriptions and military muster rolls. Other people can then easily link to the material and it also keeps the Person page from becoming unwieldy in lengthy. --<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:20px;">[[User:Mksmith|Mike]]</font><font color="purple" size="2.5" face="papyrus"><sup>[[User Talk:Mksmith|Talk]]</sup> </font> 08:29, 20 October 2010 (EDT)+:::::PS. I saw multiple places in Devon with markers in the ocean. It would be great if one of our England subject matter experts could have a look at that. --[[User:Pkeegstra|Pkeegstra]] 16:09, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
-Something about having the center tag covering two lines was screwing it up. I formatted the two lines separately and now the rest of the returns show up.--[[User:Amelia.Gerlicher|Amelia]] 11:12, 20 October 2010 (EDT) 
-:Thanks, Amelia. I wouldn't have thought that made a difference, since the wiki defaults (I thought) to wrapping lines practically indefinitely. The tags shouldn't care about how long the lines are, and the browser will simply split them wherever necessary. (I've done that on regular web pages, though it sometimes comes out looking a bit sloppy.) --<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:20px;">[[User:Mksmith|Mike]]</font><font color="purple" size="2.5" face="papyrus"><sup>[[User Talk:Mksmith|Talk]]</sup> </font> 20:45, 21 October 2010 (EDT) 
---- ----
-Thanks for your help, it now looks great, amazing how little things can make a lot of difference. Regards--[[User:Kenamoore|Kenamoore]] 19:51, 20 October 2010 (EDT)+Only three I could see on Devon's north coast and none on the south. The worst is Lynton and it is marked on the map directly south of the marker, so it shouldn't be difficult for anyone to sort out. I'd tackle them, but I've been working on Yorkshire and I don't want to be tempted off it. --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 21:35, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:I'll take that as encouragement that if I have a look, I can't make things too much worse..... --[[User:Pkeegstra|Pkeegstra]] 11:25, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 + 
---- ----
-That's an interesting journal, Ken. I love reading old letters and diaries, even if I'm not connected to anyone in them. Now, of course, you need to research some of the other passengers mentioned in the journal, make up pages for them, and link to those pages from the journal. . . . :-) --<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:20px;">[[User:Mksmith|Mike]]</font><font color="purple" size="2.5" face="papyrus"><sup>[[User Talk:Mksmith|Talk]]</sup> </font> 20:45, 21 October 2010 (EDT)+I shouldn't think so. I use Wikipedia's longitude and latitude entries for places in England. They are always different than Getty, but when I check them they seem to be pretty accurate. If Wikipedia isn't forthcoming, I get out GoogleEarth and copy them down from there. Neither site will let you copy and paste, so paper and pen have to be to hand.
-== Source Data??? [1 November 2010] ==+Scotland has a very good map website ([http://maps.nls.uk/ National Library for Scotland]) which I wish stretched below the border. [http://visionofbritain.org.uk/ "A Vision of Britain through Time"] does not supply co-ordinates. --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 12:01, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
-How can I find out the source data for a given entry. Is there any way to tell if there is a verifiable for a specific individual or lineage. I know a lot of the entries are what people have been told or surmised but a lot of us need the documented proof in order to join a variety of organizations such as: the DAR, the SAR, the DUV, etc.--[[User:Mcguirepv|Mcguirepv]] 16:03, 1 November 2010 (EDT)+== red person pages ?? [17 January 2014] ==
-:It depends upon the page. Some pages have extensive source citations and, unfortunately, there are some pages that have few, if any, sources listed. The great thing about a wiki environment like WeRelate is that if you see something that's undocumented and you have documentation, you can add the source even if you didn't create that page. --[[User:Ajcrow|Amy (Ajcrow)]] 16:08, 1 November 2010 (EDT)+Perhaps there was a tree deleted that caused these red person pages that show up here: [[Person:Daniel McHenry (6)]] but I'm only guessing. I would like to merge [[Person Jane McHenry (5)]] with [[Person: Jane McHenry (9)]] but the system won't allow that. What to do? --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 21:08, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 +:You created '[[Person Jane McHenry (5)]]' as an article, not a person page. That's why you can't merge it. Note that it is missing the colon after 'Person'. [[User:DMaxwell|Daniel Maxwell]] 21:12, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
-::Hello, You can also locate the Watchers on the Person Pages or Family pages in WeRelate by clicking on their User page and leave them a note on their WeRelate User Talk page and ask about sources for Person: John Doe or Family: John & Jane Doe too. We do and are trying to encourage WeRelate Users to add sourcing, it is a step hill so far though. Also another idea you could do outside of WeRelate is contact the organization you wish to join and order the ancestors latest "record copy" or whatever that organization calls it thru that child's name. Good Luck, Debbie Freeman --[[User:DFree|DFree]] 16:25, 1 November 2010 (EDT)+== Relative Borre Johnson [21 January 2014] ==
-== Problems with werelate or my pc ? [10 November 2010] ==+Good Evening
 +I am trying to contact Sarah_Russell23 owner of a family tree that contains shared relatives. I am research my husband's great grandfather Borre Johnson and he is listed on one of Sarah's web pages. Am I able to email her? Thanks.
-Hello+Brenda Johnson--[[User:Brejohns|Brejohns]] 01:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 +:Hi Brenda, I searched WeRelate, and I don't see a user by the name of Sarah_Russell23, nor do a see a page for a person named Borre Johnson. I did a Google search and saw a discussion about this in relation to a tree on http://www.ancestry.com. If Sarah_Russell23 is indeed at Ancestry.com, then you would need to contact her via that website. If I'm mistaken, and you did see that page here on WeRelate, you could go to her User Page and click More>Email this user. If the user has set their preferences to accept emails, you would be able to contact them this way. Otherwise, you could leave a message on her User Talk page. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 12:06, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
-Is there a problem with the my Relate section today+== Gedcom import [21 January 2014] ==
-The screen looks like this:+
-* &lt;home&gt; +I imported my first Gedcom to this site yesterday. Will you notify me by email when it is approved and ready for me to edit?--[[User:Mlmetz5612|Mlmetz5612]] 20:39, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
-* &lt;add&gt;▼+:Hi Mlmetz5612, you received messages about the GEDCOM via your [http://www.werelate.org/wiki/User_talk:Mlmetz5612 User Talk page]. Depending on the preferences in your Settings, and if you've provided an email address, you may have also received an email. There is a link on your talk page and instructions for reviewing your GEDCOM. If you have additional questions, just let me know. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 12:11, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
-* &lt;myrelate&gt;▼+
-* &lt;admin&gt;▼+
- +
-Also I have uploaded a new Gedcom this morning and this is nowhere to be found yet, normally it is there within minutes (Spoeltman file)--[[User:Kalishoek|Kalishoek]] 05:15, 9 November 2010 (EST)+
-:With respect to your gedcom upload, there was a large file being processed and your file was in queue. It is visible now.+
-The problem with display is usually transient - I see it at times too. Often reloading the page will clear it up. If it persists, please tell us what browser and version you are using. --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 10:22, 9 November 2010 (EST)+
-::Every once in awhile when the system gets overloaded you'll see this. It's a known bug. Reloading should fix the problem.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 16:08, 10 November 2010 (EST)+
-== Source - Add Page - returns blank page [27 November 2010] ==+== Source not showing on person pg [24 January 2014] ==
-I have been adding sources successfully but now when I attempt to add a new source a blank page is returned. More specifically I'm attempting to create source pages for newspapers. After clicking "add page" a blank web page is displayed and the new source page is never created. The problem has been occurring for the past few days in both Firefox and Internet Explorer. Is there a limit to the number of sources one can add? Is anybody else having this problem? Any help would greatly be appreciated. Thank you.--[[User:Joe|Joe]] 12:30, 11 November 2010 (EST)+Would someone have a look at [[Person:Joseph Jackson (98)]]. There are a total of 5 sources there, two of them census records for 1850 and 1860. But look at the edit page and see that I've input census source for 1850, 1860, 1870 and 1880. The last two do not show up on the person page. I first thought it was because I did not use S1, S1 etc but that's not it; so what could be the reason all the sources do not appear on the person page? --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 03:43, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
-:I've had something similar happen every so often. I recently discovered I needed to adjust popup settings, open links in new page/tab or not, and "autofill" settings to get WeRelate to work optimally. If you've recently had a browser auto upgrade, you might check your settings and test a few alternatives to see if you still have the same issue. I'm sorry I can't be more specific as to what I changed; this isn't the same issue I recently had, so I'm not sure what I did will help you. But what you're experiencing sounds like a browser settings and/or a memory/WeRelate is busy now type of issue. There aren't limits on the number of sources you can add, so you should be ok there! --[[User:Kennebec1|Brenda (kennebec1)]] 16:39, 12 November 2010 (EST)+----
 +I see 7 sources. S1 and S2 appear to be duplicates.
-::I was entering my master source list into WeRelate and when I got to my newspaper sources (about the 200th source) I couldn't enter any more sources. No changes to my system, just entering source after source until I no longer could. Entered a source one minute and the next minute a blank page. Which is why I thought it might be an administrative block of some sort. I do appreciate the feedback and tried your suggestions to no avail. Maybe it is time for me to take a break. Thanks again. --[[User:Joe|Joe]] 10:12, 15 November 2010 (EST)+[[User:Jillaine|Jillaine]] 09:28, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
-:::Joe, what happens if you "refresh" the page? And have you tried to clean out your browser cache? I've asked some other more tech-savvy adminst to take a look at your question as well. Hopefully we'll come up with an answer.--[[User:Kennebec1|Brenda (kennebec1)]] 14:08, 17 November 2010 (EST)+:That is so strange! I see only 5 sources. And yes, S1 and S2 are the same source. I'm using Mozilla firefox.
-::::I'm noticing that this is only happening with adding sources of type Newspaper. Not much help, but hopefully it's a clue for Dallan. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 14:12, 17 November 2010 (EST)+== first GEDCOM review & manual entry review [1 February 2014] ==
-:::I tried adding a newspaper and got a blank page as well. I think it must be something in the programming for this type of source. Joe, will you try adding a source of a different type? Thanks.--[[User:Kennebec1|Brenda (kennebec1)]] 11:45, 18 November 2010 (EST)+May I ask for input on my first manual entry (Daniel Bury), and also for clarification if my GEDCOM has been reviewed.--[[User:Diane Hosler|Diane Hosler]] 22:02, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
-::::That's a bug; thank-you for reporting it. It's fixed now.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 00:52, 28 November 2010 (EST)+:What type of input are you desiring? Also, if you check your talk page, you should see a notification on the day you imported the file that it was accepted and entered into the WeRelate system. You may also check your Contributions page, which will indicate any pages you have either created or changed on this system. If you are needing further clarification, please let us know!--[[User:Khaentlahn|Khaentlahn]] 22:55, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
-== Source titles for encyclopedic references [19 November 2010] ==+:Welcome to WeRelate, Diane! This looks like a well-researched, well-sourced page. I haven't seen any guidelines for what to include, or what a page "should" look like, but I made a few changes that I think most would agree about. First, I gave the alternate last names for Daniel the category of "alt name". I also changed some of the citations to "sources". [[Help:Source_pages|This page]] should help to give you an idea of the differences between sources and citations. -- [[User:Jdfoote1|Jdfoote1]] 23:19, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
-What is WR's rule for titling source pages that are multi-volume, multi-authored books? One example is [[Source:Schöffer, I. Biografisch Woordenboek Van Nederland]]. It appears to have been published from 1979-2008 with multiple authors. The authors listed on the source page are collaborators/editors. Can we remove the author from the title and title this [[Source:Biografisch Woordenboek Van Nederland]]? --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 09:42, 19 November 2010 (EST)+----
 +Thanks to both of you! I saw the approval for the GEDCOM that came very quickly...just thought I read that there was suppose to be a separate review by a person. Glad it passed. For the manual input, didn't realize there were drop-down options for the citations/sources and appreciate the cleanup. The sample page that I found on one of the clicks was very helpful. This is a quite a learning curve. Diane--[[User:Diane Hosler|Diane Hosler]] 23:42, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
-:I believe that is what we did when we encountered these cases. Then in the Source page text we included details of each volume giving pub date and editor/compiler and topics whenever we could find the information. You can even add a suggested citation for each volume if you wish as these things do confuse novices. --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 18:55, 19 November 2010 (EST)+:GEDCOMs are approved by human review, which means that while your GEDCOM went through rather quickly, keep in mind that it may not always do so in the future and while there is a steep learning curve at the beginning, once you get the hang of it, it's fairly easy to continue and maintain pages on WeRelate. I hope you enjoy your time here!--[[User:Khaentlahn|Khaentlahn]] 00:43, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
-== Ellisisland.org [26 November 2010] ==+== images [7 February 2014] ==
-I'm looking for suggestions on consolidating our various sources/repositories for the http://www.ellisisland.org website. We currently have:+image on Magdalena Bury and Sophia Bury at not showing. Coach me on what I did wrong, please.--[[User:Diane Hosler|Diane Hosler]] 23:29, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
-#[[Source:Ellis Island, New York, United States. Immigration-Records.com]]+
-#[[Source:New York City, New York, United States. Ellis Island]]+
-#[[Source:Ellis Island Records]]+
-#[[Source:Ellis Island, New York, United States. Ellis Island Passenger Arrivals : American Family Immigration History Center]]+
-#[[Repository:Ellis Island Passenger Arrivals : American Family Immigration History Center]]+
-I'm wondering what the correct source title should be and which of the above should be deleted. Thanks, --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 07:25, 26 November 2010 (EST)+:For Sophia, the trouble is the double single quote in the title of the JPEG. The wiki system translates double single quotes to mean "begin italics here" and is therefore showing incorrectly. If you were to remove one of the single quotes in the file on your computer and upload that version, that should correct the problem. As for Magdalena, the file you've uploaded is a PDF file and, while you can upload PDF files to this wiki, they do not display as JPEG or other image type files. You will instead see the Adobe icon, but the file is still there. If you click on the PDF file icon on her page, then click it again on the image page, you can view it from your end there. It takes a little more effort than a basic image, but it is there to be viewed. I hope this helps!--[[User:Khaentlahn|Khaentlahn]] 04:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
-:Perhaps the source should be [[Source:New York, New York, United States. Passenger and Crew Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, NY, 1897-1957]] and the repository ''The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation''. I'm not sure that any of the above items are really useful. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 13:26, 26 November 2010 (EST)+ 
 +----
 +Thanks, again. I won't be using the PDF image if you want to delete it. Where did I see the guidelines for sharing our WeRelate with family members and others.--[[User:Diane Hosler|Diane Hosler]] 16:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== redirected page loses its 'talk' discussion? [9 February 2014] ==
 + 
 +[[Family:William Norris and Hannah Bell (1)]] is a page redirected from an earlier version. This new page says 'see the talk page' in blue but there is nothing on the talk page. So was there something on the previous page that is now lost?
 +--[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 03:54, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:Going through the history, it does not appear so. It appears as if the page was created to be created. I'm not completely sure why, but I cannot find any more content.--[[User:Khaentlahn|Khaentlahn]] 04:14, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +::I found the predecessor talk page, and the only thing it ever had was a nomerge template. --[[User:Pkeegstra|Pkeegstra]] 11:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:::I have noticed before that if something was on the Talk page but got removed so that it is completely blank, the "see talk page" in blue still shows up. I have found this mildly annoying but not sufficiently so as to request Dallan to change it, given all the other things on his plate.--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 23:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +::::I think it is best to list this on the suggestion page or Dallan may not ever know about it. He'll get to those suggestions in the order it is best for him. But at least there will be some record that it eventually needs fixed. --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 04:36, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 +:::::I added it.--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 20:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== speedy delete [9 February 2014] ==
 + 
 +where is the text box to insert a speedy delete template for duplicate person page--[[User:Diane Hosler|Diane Hosler]] 19:57, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 +:If you are looking for instructions on how to use the "speedy delete" template, they are [[Template:Speedy Delete/doc|here]]. However, if you have accidentally created a duplicate page and you are the only one watching it, I believe that you can delete it yourself by selecting "more" and then "Delete" from the list of actions on the left hand side of the screen. If you come across duplicates that others have created, it is better to merge them than delete them, because there may be links to them. The Help for merge is [[Help:Merging pages|here]] - you can also ask for help and someone is sure to help you through a merge if you have not done it before.--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 22:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Adding places--content in brackets [11 February 2014] ==
 + 
 +Whenever I add a place and have to differentiate from another place of the same name, e.g., [[Place:Catton (near Thirsk), North Riding of Yorkshire, England|Catton (near Thirsk)]] and [[Place:Catton (near Pocklington), East Riding of Yorkshire, England|Catton (near Pocklington)]], the capitalized word in brackets comes up with a small letter, e.g., Catton (near pocklington). As a result, I have to go back and rename the new entry as well.
 + 
 +This may seem like a small difficulty, but there are an awful lot of duplicated placenames in England, especially Yorkshire. Can someone iron out this small bug, please. --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 08:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== adding gedcom to tree [16 February 2014] ==
 + 
 +hello
 +I downloaded a gedcom yesterday and not all of the names went through my ggmother was married 5 times and I thought I had included the husbands and children. Perhaps I mislinked her to another page instead of including her new information. can I remove tree and try again? or Is there an easy remedy to add spouses and children via gedcom rather than inputting everything separately? Perhaps add the spouses and make family page for them? by importing gedcom with all their names???Thanks for your help.--[[User:Mfunk|Mfunk]] 22:11, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:Hi - I am not an expert on GEDCOM upload since I do not use that feature. However I do have a [[Person:Mary Wilson (302)|distant cousin]] with 8 recorded marriages to 7 different men so I think I can help you get this right 8-). First I would search for the Person pages for each of the spouses to see if they are in the database. Then I would inspect each Person page to see what marriages exist. Depending on what you find you can either use Add Family manually for the missing marriages, or you can use Add Person and then Add Family for the missing persons, or if they appear married to the wrong Person or you find a duplicate Person or Family you can remove the wrong marriages from the Person pages, delete erroneous Persons or Families, remove duplicate Persons or Families, etc. I think this will be a much better way to clean-up after your GEDCOM upload. As long as most of your GEDCOM uploaded correctly you can probably fix things more quickly using regular WeRelate functions than you can figure out how to get the "perfect" GEDCOM upload.
 + 
 +:Also if you do not have the actual marriage dates for each of these multiple marriages, you should supply estimated dates (about yyyy, before yyyy, after yyyy, etc) so the marriages display in the correct order.
 + 
 +:Hope this helps you! --[[User:Jhamstra|Jhamstra]] 09:38, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Getting Started Tutorials [20 March 2014] ==
 + 
 +Why do the pages shown on the tutorials not match the people pages I am viewing? Are the tutorials showing a planned update?--[[User:Genehuntr|genehuntr]] 03:03, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 +:Tutorials in general need to be updated to the current system. A preliminary update has been done to the first two lessons of the [[Help:Person pages tutorial|Person pages tutorial]]. Would you be so kind as to go through those two lessons and determine if they are now more helpful? Any assistance in this regard would be appreciated.--[[User:Khaentlahn|Khaentlahn]] 18:12, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Duplicate Source pages [27 February 2014] ==
 + 
 +[[Source:Biographical Review : This Volume Contains Biographical Sketches of the Leading Citizens of Livingston and Wyoming Counties, New York]] (correct title)
 + 
 +[[Source:Biographical Review : This Volume Contains Biographical Sketches of Livingston and Wyoming Counties, New York]] (abridged title)
 + 
 +--[[User:Jhamstra|Jhamstra]] 17:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 +:You might know this already, but you can merge these yourself. First see if there is any helpful info on the page you don't want to keep that is not on the other page (such as repositories, year range, etc.) and copy it to the page you want to keep. Then edit the page you don't want to keep and replace all notes with #REDIRECT [[Source:<page to keep>]]. The preview shows the redirect statement, but when you save, it should redirect to the source you want to keep. Just in case you want to handle this yourself.--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 02:42, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +Thanks - it worked! i knew there was a way to fix this but I have not had to do manual page patches previously.--[[User:Jhamstra|Jhamstra]] 03:48, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== GEDCOM [12 March 2014] ==
 + 
 +Is there a limatation to the size of GEDCOMS? Will you accept a GEDCOM with over 11,000 entries???
 +It will be from eight Family Origins or Roots Magic. The reason I wish to upload so much data is to give "others" a chance to use my data.
 +Please answer me at lledoogf@yahoo.com
 +Thanks, Fred--[[User:FREDITO|FREDITO]] 15:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 +:I think the limit is currently 5000 individuals. You can split your database into smaller files for loading. I helped another person split her 20,000-person into smaller pieces - it took a weekend to do because of the high degree of interconnections within her database.
 + 
 +:Based on my previous experience, I would also recommend that you use the error-checking and duplicate search features in RootsMagic and correct errors prior to attempting to load it into WeRelate. When I helped load the 20,000-person database, the majority of time was spent cleansing the data prior to loading it (because we chose to be a bit picky about it).--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 00:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Images from Wikimedia Commons [18 March 2014] ==
 + 
 +I would like to use a map found in Wikimedia Commons on a WR place page. The Download Screen offers a Page URL and a File URL. Which one do I use? Can I load the image straight to WR or must I first download it to my own computer? What is the maximum recommended width (in pixels) for an image on a WR page? The attribution is given and the image is in the public domain.
 + 
 +Is this information in the Help pages? I can see instructions for Ancestry, FamilySearch and Fold3, but not for Wikimedia Commons.--[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 16:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +: I believe that anything that appears on Wikipedia Commons will be OK to use as far as rights - they are more restrictive than WR (I believe). There is a way to directly use things from Wikimedia Commons called [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/InstantCommons Instant Commons], but I just tried it, and it looks like it isn't enabled, so you will need to download the image, and upload it again here. -- [[User:Jdfoote1|Jdfoote1]] 14:21, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +Thanks. --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 16:27, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== How to get gedcom file from the Mormon LDS church [21 March 2014] ==
 + 
 +Several years ago, I transmitted a gedcom file to the LDS church. Can you tell me how to retrieve the file? LDS personnel have been unable to help. Thanks. ..--[[User:JoDawg|JoDawg]] 01:18, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:Do you mean from the FamilySearch website?--[[User:Khaentlahn|Khaentlahn]] 20:56, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +This file was sent to the Mormon church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day-Saints in Salt Lake City.--[[User:JoDawg|JoDawg]] 18:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:If your GEDCOM was submitted to them to be included in either of the ''Ancestral File'' or the ''Pedigree Resource File'', your information should be available on [https://familysearch.org/family-trees| FamilySearch's Genealogies] page. That being said, according to their FAQ:
 +::'''Can you download submitted data to a GEDCOM?'''
 +::You cannot download submitted tree data in GEDCOM format. To save FamilySearch lineage linked data on your device please use a record manager that syncs with the FamilySearch Family Tree – these can be found on the products page.
 +:After a little digging, the [https://familysearch.org/products/ Partner Products] page was found. ''RootsMagic'' is listed as being the "Eastist to Sync", but there are other options on the page as well. Their FAQ also indicates that while you cannot search the ''Ancestral File'' or ''Pedigree Resource File'' by submitter, they are planning to add that feature in the future.
 +:If your GEDCOM was not submitted to be included in either of these databases, then that is knowledge beyond my understanding. Perhaps someone else can help if this is the case.--[[User:Khaentlahn|Khaentlahn]] 19:17, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +Thanks for your info, Khaethahn. I will check that out.--[[User:JoDawg|JoDawg]] 01:59, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Redirecting a Place. Effect on Sources? [1 April 2014] ==
 + 
 +I redirected <nowiki>Place:Standish, Lancashire, England</nowiki> to <nowiki>Place:Standish-with-Langtree, Lancashire, England</nowiki>, which was the urban district including both places for the greater part of the 20th century. If I make a Category entitled Standish-with-Langtree, will all the Sources originally under the Category entitled Standish transfer automatically to the new Category? I notice that after the redirection the <nowiki>Category:Standish, Lancashire, England</nowiki> is not found. --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 09:13, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 +:It looks like you need to edit each source page to get it to transfer to the new category. For example: [[:Category:Standish, Lancashire, England|here is the old category for Standish]]. It has one source left in it. [[Source:Standish, Lancashire, England. Registers of the Parish Church of Standish in the County of Lancaster, 1560-1653|This source]] used to be in it, but when I edited the source page (didn't change anything, just hit edit and save), the category was updated to [[:Category:Standish-with-Langtree, Lancashire, England|the new category]].--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 16:10, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +That's what I started doing. I was just wondering if there were something more automatic. --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 19:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Something went wrong [5 April 2014] ==
 + 
 +Something went wrong?
 +http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arcadium
 +--[[User:Lidewij|Lidewij]] 18:13, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:I'd guess that it's supposed to be Cyrillic, and was uploaded in a character set other than the one WR was expecting (which I believe is UTF-8). --[[User:Pkeegstra|pkeegstra]] 20:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 +::I agree - I've improved our character-set recognition since then. Should we delete these pages?--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 15:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 +:::Let me try one thing first, to see if I can recover the intended characters. --[[User:Pkeegstra|pkeegstra]] 15:34, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Marriage sources [11 April 2014] ==
 + 
 +Did something recently change? Today I noticed on Person pages, the marriages show the source numbers. This is misleading because the sources attached to a marriage date aren't on the Person page, and clicking the superscipt 1 takes you to source 1 on the Person page. For example, [[Person:Thomas West (38)]]. Can't imagine this is browser related but I am using Firefox. --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 17:31, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 +:I have a feeling it's related to the new "Find records" links on Person pages that Dallan mentioned in the "Links to FindARecord.com" post on the Watercooler. It's working this way for me too, and you're right, it is misleading. Would you mind leaving a message on the Watercooler post about this so Dallan will see it? --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 17:40, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 +::It is, sorry about that. I'll correct it tomorrow.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 04:25, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== How to cancel a duplicate personal account [14 April 2014] ==
 + 
 +I've got two accounts here...one is the correct one "artistswife" and the other is "artistswife2". How can I cancel the "2" version?--[[User:Artistswife|Artistswife]] 04:43, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 +:The software doesn't have a way to cancel accounts or merge them unfortunately. If you like I can keep the 2 version from sending you change notifications.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 04:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +Dallan, thank you. Please do stop the emails for artistswife2. artistswife
 +:Done.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 16:51, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +Thank you.--[[User:Artistswife|Artistswife]] 21:23, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== cwgccem Template doesn't seem to work [21 April 2014] ==
 + 
 +While adding categories to a number of cemeteris for France, I noticed one was using the above template. I have been unable to get it to work on so I cam using an embedded link, but would like to understand if this template should be used.
 + 
 +When I click on the template for find a grave at the bottom of an edit page, I am directed to a page containing comments on how to use the template. This is not the case on the Commonwealth war Graves Commision template page.
 + 
 +Camments anyone?--[[User:RGMoffat|RGMoffat]] 05:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Rename ... a french département [25 April 2014] ==
 + 
 +Please ! [[Place:Basses-Alpes, France]] Basses-Alpes exist no more --> '''Alpes-de-Haute-Provence''' (April 1970) : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpes-de-Haute-Provence - Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --[[User:Markus3|Markus3]] 08:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:What was the situation at 1900? --[[User:Lidewij|Lidewij]] 09:20, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 +:There is nothing wrong with the name. Groetjes, --[[User:Lidewij|Lidewij]] 09:46, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 +::[[Place:Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, France]] redirect was made --[[User:Lidewij|Lidewij]] 09:58, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 +:::Thank you ! I always forget this "WeRelate 1900 rule" for the places which is strange and complicated for wikipedians and genealogists from France. Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --[[User:Markus3|Markus3]] 13:27, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Something runs wrong [6 May 2014] ==
 + 
 +Some '''places''' (were and) are automatically modified by Gedcom import or after, when a contributor is fixing a field. I have already discussed this issue with Jennifer and given examples (... Canteleu/Rouen + a [http://www.werelate.org/wiki/User_talk:JBS66#Stupid_link_to_a_village_in_Aisne_.28France.29_.5B4_March_2014.5D village in Aisne]). Other "automatic stupidities" are still active ... for example, when Y (meaning "yes) is in place field (death, marriage, occupation, etc) --> I saw meany times "[[Place:Y, Somme, France]] (I have not yet fully corrected) and [[Place:Rwanda|Y]] ... 2 or 3 times this morning --> the last one '''[http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person:John_De_Heytesbury_%282%29&diff=prev&oldid=20674356 here]''' - Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --[[User:Markus3|Markus3]] 08:29, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 +: And ... [http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person:Maude_de_Heytesbury_%281%29&diff=prev&oldid=12203863 this] (2007-2009) - Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --[[User:Markus3|Markus3]] 08:49, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 +:: An other example (I found sometimes this "error ?" for several months ---> La Rochelle --> Charente-Maritime / Haute-Saône) : [http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person%3AJohn_Witt_%282%29&diff=20700592&oldid=20700550], but this page [[Person:John Witt (2)]] seems "strange" (merging, etc). Could someone fix it ? Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --[[User:Markus3|Markus3]] 06:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 +:::What it does now and what it did a long time ago are two different things. Automated place matching and cleanup of some of the junk in GEDCOMs is, I believe, better now. The real problem being, of course, that people use their home system however they want and the GEDCOM must figure out how to deal with all sorts of unique ways of arranging data. If the problem occurred during a recent GEDCOM upload, so that it is currently happening that way, a suggestion could be submitted. You may have noticed, the list of suggestions is pretty long.
 +:::There are about 100 pages listed when I do a What Links Here on [[Place:Y, Somme, France]]. It is usually pretty easy to tell which need to be fixed. There are many case, not so humorous, that some of us have cleaned up. People intended to input Kingston, Mass., but don't qualify it properly, and there are many Kingstons around the world that get matched to, for example (Jamaica, Canada, down under, etc.). Cleaning up pages like John Witt should really be done by someone familiar with his case: a GEDCOM did actually list La Rochelle as an alternate birthplace [http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person:John_Witt_%2859%29&oldid=10889610]. Did they know something or is it garbage? Somebody that is knowledgable and cares is in a much better position to decide. --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 14:24, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +Not only that. In the original he was married in his birth year. --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 15:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Word Wrap turned off in Personal History section [10 May 2014] ==
 + 
 +Can someone tell me why word wrap is not working on the Person:Robert Riddell (2) page?
 +Thx
 +Rick--[[User:RGMoffat|RGMoffat]] 14:53, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 +:In the S8 source text field, there was a } at the end of the URL instead of a ]. I made the change, and the page aligns properly now. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 21:14, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Merging pages [16 May 2014] ==
 + 
 +Hi there
 + 
 +I wonder if someone could point me in a direction. I was trying to import (this is my first ever Gedcom import) parents for a person (Jan Wouthuis) who I already have a page for. So I imported a Gedcom for his birth, expecting that a duplicate would be found for him that I could link to, and that pages would be created for his parents.
 + 
 +The only thing that happened was I got warnings because there were no genders for the parents. I added the genders. Nothing about the duplicate.
 + 
 +Now I'm not sure if my gedcom is still waiting for review or if I got an email because there is something wrong with it?--[[User:MWalker|MWalker]] 08:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +OK, I think I have found the problem. I did a GEDcom export from Allegroningers, and for some reason they have put the birthdates of his parents as being in 1970. Unlikely considering he got married in 1842.
 + 
 +I'm guessing that I'm going to have to put a bit more effort into making GEDcom work for me...
 + 
 +Now how do I delete that GEDcom? Is that not possible while it is awaiting (a now unnecessary) review?--[[User:MWalker|MWalker]] 09:04, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 +:You can remove it by clicking on the [http://www.werelate.org/gedcom/index.php?gedcomId=10678 review link], then clicking on the "Remove this GEDCOM" button.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 04:23, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Bispham, Lancashire, England [12 May 2014] ==
 + 
 +There were two places named Bispham in Lancashire. One (officially named Bispham-with-Norbreck) was absorbed into Blackpool during the 19th century; the other still exists in West Lancashire District. I have just added (West Lancashire) to it to differentiate the two.
 + 
 +It would appear from looking at "What links here" that the Sources for the two places have been intermixed. I haven't had time as yet to investigate this more fully. But out of curiosity I looked at the [[Family:Willard Weekes and Elizabeth Avenell (1)]]. I think we should get rid of this one, but how do we go about it?
 + 
 +--[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 16:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 +:Just FYI the [https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MM5L-T9N husband] looks like a real person and probably worth saving, the wife and family don't belong to him. Whether they are real or not is another question. --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 18:07, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +::If I "remove" either the wife or husband from the marriage, will both of them remain on our database?
 + 
 +--[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 19:42, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 +:::Re your specific question: you can "remove" (i.e., unlink) the husband, and the family page will remain, and the husband's person page will remain with no marriage showing. They will just not be linked together. The family page probably needs to remain to collect the children, or else you need to delete all of them too. Even with the husband unlinked, whether the husband's name remaining embedded in the Family page title goes with the wife or not is of course unknown? One approach would be to rename the Family page to Unknown and the wife. --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 19:58, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +Thanks --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 20:19, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== GEDCOM format error [16 June 2014] ==
 + 
 +When an exported GEDCOM is imported in Gramps, Gramps shows an error message saying:
 + 
 +"GEDCOM form not supported Line 10: 2 FORM LINEAGE_LINKED"
 + 
 +The error is shown, because the proper FORM is LINEAGE-LINKED, as shown in [http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#S1].
 + 
 +Can this be corrected? The Gramps bug report is registered here[https://gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=7702].
 + 
 +Thanks.
 +--[[User:Borgsteede|Enno]] 10:27, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 +----
 +Hi, Unfortunately, the programmer is on vacation. We should have an answer for you in 2-3 weeks. Thanks,
 +--[[User:Solveig|sq]] 15:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 +:fixed--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 20:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Copyright questions (2) [27 May 2014] ==
 + 
 +I have an 'autobiography' of a person in my family tree. She self-published, has a 2006 copyright, and she died 2007. I have written the elderly person who helped her write it, who so far has not responded. Can I include pictures from the book under the historical picture classification?
 + 
 +Also, I have a 1990 Canadian paper feature story about a person. Can I include a copy of it on his page?--[[User:Diane Hosler|Diane Hosler]] 03:10, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +-----
 +Hi,
 + 
 +WeRelate is not allowed to give you legal advice. This is the way it works: People upload images they believe are legal. If someone complains of copyright infringement, we are required by the federal government to delete the image. No arguments.
 + 
 +Whether you can copy someone else's copy of public domain images is hotly debated especially by companies like Ancestry. They copy censuses and other public domain documents and then sell them to us. As you can imagine, they claim their particular copy is proprietary. However, many believe that any copy of a public domain image is also public domain. There are various court opinions.
 + 
 +That said, the purpose of copyright law is to keep one person from profiting from the work of another. You are allowed "fair use" of copyrighted material as long as it doesn't impact the author's ability to market his/her creation. Generally, this means you can use any image as long as you reduce the resolution. When we reduce the size of a scanned image, the resolution is automatically reduced. What that means is that copy cannot be blown up to its original size and still look good enough to compete with the original. See [[Help:Image_licensing#If_the_image_is_still_under_copyright_and_you_are_unable_to_ask_the_copyright_owner_for_a_license]]
 + 
 +Hope this helps, --[[User:Solveig|sq]] 16:00, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +Very interesting and helpful. Am putting a copy in my WeRelate 'manual'. Thank you.--[[User:Diane Hosler|Diane Hosler]] 03:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Search for source not working with accented characters [16 June 2014] ==
 + 
 +When I search sources for a Norwegian parish with an accented character in the name (e.g., Tønsberg), I don't get any results. If I search without using the accent (i.e., Tonsberg), it still doesn't find the relevant sources (e.g., [[Source:Tønsberg, Vestfold, Norway. Kirkebøker, 1688-1962]]). Searching on accented characters for place names seems to work, but the exactly matching place name is not in bold as it would be with unaccented characters. Both these problems need to be fixed, but I think the former one (searching sources) is more important. Is this a small bug that can be fixed quickly, or do I need to add it to the Suggestions list?--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 16:29, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 +:I just realized that if I search with "oe" for "ø" (i.e. Toensberg), I get the correct result (although the matching word is still not in bold). But I think the search should work when I use the accented character in the search string. Thanks.--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 16:33, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 +::I've added this to the bug list.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 20:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Help menu broken [25 June 2014] ==
 + 
 +It was pointed out to me by janiejac that help menu is broken. It appears it is linking to general articles (i.e., no namespace specified) instead of pages in the WeRelate Talk namespace. --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 15:43, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Invoking "Source Citations" section on Place pages [30 June 2014] ==
 + 
 +How do we do this? Adding a {{reflist tag at the bottom of the text editing block does not do anything... thnx --[[User:Artefacts|Artefacts]] 23:11, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +*<nowiki><ref>...</ref></nowiki>
 +*<nowiki><references/></nowiki>
 +--[[User:Lidewij|Lidewij]] 23:23, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 +:* cheers!--[[User:Artefacts|Artefacts]] 00:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== need help placing image; also cemetery page question [4 July 2014] ==
 + 
 +I have uploaded an image and it is showing on [[Person:Samuel Jackson (49)]] but it is not placed where I want it. Would someone either move it or tell me how to move it so that it shows in the subsection 'Burial' instead of at the bottom of the page.
 + 
 +Also wondering about the cemetery pages I am creating. Should cemeteries show up on the county page or on the page for the locality within the county? I used the [[:Category:Cemeteries of Morgan County, Illinois, United States|Franklin City Cemetery]] and it shows up in that category, but it doesn't show on the Morgan County page. Perhaps it would be better if I left off Franklin from the location so that one could easily find all the cemeteries in the county instead of the cemeteries being scattered on various place pages of the county. (And woops! now this category is showing at the bottom of THIS support page! Boy it is too easy to mess up! Somebody pls fix it.) --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 04:27, 4 July 2014 (UTC) Well, that didn't work. You have to 'edit' the paragraph to read what I'm trying to say. As I said, too easy to mess up! --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 04:30, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 +:I fixed the image placement on Samuel Jackson's page, and put a colon in front of the category here. I ''believe'' the policy for cemeteries is to place them under the city if they are inside a city, or to place them under the county otherwise. Since the cemetery you created is under the city, it won't show up on the county page.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 05:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +::The suggestion for Illinois is to put cemeteries as applicable in the city or the township; if the township is not known, please create the cemetery page under the county as opposed to not creating it at all. At some point a local expert will rename it appropriately. In addition, some but not all WR contributors who work in the US midwest make it a point to create also-located-in links for cemeteries to the county. --[[User:Pkeegstra|pkeegstra]] 13:53, 4 July 2014 (UTC) (I just added the usual "bells and whistles" for Franklin City Cemetery. Note that the conventional category is [[:Category:Cemeteries of Morgan, Illinois, United States|Cemeteries of Morgan, Illinois, United States]], which now has 4 entries. --[[User:Pkeegstra|pkeegstra]] 14:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC))
 + 
 +== Further question on placing an image [22 July 2014] ==
 + 
 +Following on from [[User:janiejac]]'s question above, can an image be placed in the heading box at the top of a Person: page? To the right, opposite the name, like the maps are on Place: pages?
 + 
 +--[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 13:24, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 +:Images can be placed in the heading box, on the left to replace the standard silhouette. Place the image title in the Image section of the person's page and check the Primary box to the left of the image title. This also works for Family pages with the image being placed between the spouses' data in the header. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 13:54, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +Thanks. Too bad [[Person:John Neilson (19)]] wasn't looking the other way! --[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 14:00, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Source page not letting me add website URL [28 July 2014] ==
 + 
 +Hi,
 + 
 +Trying to add my first source - Auckland Libraries Photographers Database [It won't let me add the link here either!]
 + 
 +I can't seem to save the hyperlink anywhere in the record without it objecting to the hyperlink. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? It's just not letting me save the hyperlink anywhere... I keep getting the message "Links to other websites are not allowed". How am I supposed to add the source link in without it objecting to it??? This is driving me crazy.--[[User:EdenGardener|EdenGardener]] 02:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:I'm not sure where you went wrong. The URL that was on the page at [[Source:Auckland_Libraries_Photographers_Database]] didn't have the http:// header in front of it, but the URL also didn't resolve. I did a quick Google search for Auckland Libraries photographers database, and found [http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/photographers/basic_search.htm this site], and added it to the page. As you can see if you look at the source of my post, to add links to another page on the wiki, you use two brackets on either side, e.g. <nowiki>[[ExamplePage]]</nowiki>, and to add a link to a URL on another site, you just use one bracket, e.g,, <nowiki>[http://www.example.com example website]</nowiki>. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_markup Thiw Wikipedia page] explains this, as well as lots of other things about MediaWiki formating. It's all confusing at first, but once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy to work with. - [[User:Jdfoote1|Jdfoote1]] 02:39, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Cemetery category [31 July 2014] ==
 + 
 +I just created the cemetery page: [[Place:Grindstaff Cemetery, Carter, Tennessee, United States|Place:Grindstaff Cemetery, Carter, Tennessee, United States]]. Maybe I'm blind but I don't see why the category page is red. What am I missing?--[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 20:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:The cemetery county category page needed to be created. Conventionally that is done by adding a reference to the state cemetery category page, so I went ahead and did that. --[[User:Pkeegstra|pkeegstra]] 23:37, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== The Redirect Procedure [5 August 2014] ==
 + 
 +In the past couple of weeks I have found the following page when I want to rename a place page and the place is already there.
 + 
 +<nowiki>http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Movepage&action=submit</nowiki>
 + 
 +I am working with places in the UK where there have been two nationwide municipal reorganizations since 1974. These reorganizations have resulted in changes to parishes, districts, or counties. Every once in a while I come across a place that has been entered with both its county pre-1974 and the district that replaced the county since that year. If there is a description for the pre-1974 place entry, I do not want to replace it with the post-1974 entry (which is probably blank) and rewrite the existing description; I want to delete the post-1974 entry. But the new page asks a question that could be answered 'yes' or 'no', but appears to only accept the answer 'yes'. The answer 'no' equates to 'delete', but can we do that without going to "Speedy Delete"?--[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 11:05, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 +:I think it's asking whether you want to delete the existing page and replace it with the page that you're renaming. Go ahead and check "yes". I think it's ok to replace the page without going through speedy delete.--[[User:Solveig|sq]] 03:39, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== How to define and document a report as a source. [24 August 2014] ==
 + 
 +I am working on the project of the Pennsylvania Soldiers' Orphans Schools. The person who began this project is no longer able to do it due to poor health. She gave me some documents she had obtained from the Pennsylvania State Library in Harrisburg. The document in question is titled: "PA Orphans 1881 Report. Source: Annual Report of the Superintendent of Soldiers' Orphans of Pennsylvania for the year 1881".
 + 
 +My first idea is to use the My Source, but I would welcome suggestions or instructions. I await your reply.--[[User:EKBDVA|EKBDVA]] 18:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 +----
 +Hello. Since this record has information for many unrelated people, it could be added as a regular ''Source''. MySources are usually used for records that refer to only one person or family, such as a family bible or a scanned birth certificate.
 + 
 +Are you transcribing the record? If so, you can put the transcription in the '''Transcription''' namespace, (when adding the page, title it '''Transcription:Name of your project''') or make it an '''Article''', see [[Help:Articles]].
 +--[[User:Solveig|sq]] 01:13, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== matching families during GEDCOM review [28 August 2014] ==
 + 
 +It looks to me like there should be a way to 'exclude' upload of families that match but have conflicting dates or localities. I am seeing this in during a current review of my GEDCOM. I know the family is a match but I don't want to match to it or update it because of the conflict in data. I'd rather wait and check the other sources before deciding what to do. So there is no way to exclude my family until later. If I don't update it, will there then be a duplicate family that somebody will try to deal with before I get around to it? --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 03:04, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== editing cemetery place pg - bug? [31 August 2014] ==
 + 
 +I've been trying to edit [[Place:Hunt Cemetery, Calhoun, West Virginia, United States| Hunt Cemetery, Calhoun, West Virginia, United States]] but it keeps giving me this msg:
 + 
 +You must correct the errors before saving
 + 
 +The place type must now be chosen from a drop-down list. The list will appear as you enter the type.
 + 
 +I've tried typing in 'Cemetery' and or leaving it blank, even tried to get ANYTHING to populate the window but appears to have no drop down list.
 +So I haven't been able to edit and save the page. --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 16:39, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 +:I'm getting that same error Janie. Things are buggy with WR in general in the last hour. Pages are loading very slowly and I'm getting alt text tags like <nowiki><edithelptext></nowiki>. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 16:47, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +-----------
 +Same here. Being in a different time zone (GDT) I have been troubled since I first signed on at 7am this morning.
 + 
 +I can't do any editing of place pages and the "rename" facility has completely disappeared.
 + 
 +--[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 18:16, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:I agree with Jennifer that the biggest impact I see is an all-around sluggishness. I can replicate the bug in the place editor, too. --[[User:Pkeegstra|pkeegstra]] 18:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 +::I haven't tried editing Place pages, but all my editing is working, just very slowly. I assumed we were running a wikipedia refresh... --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 19:17, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 +:::It looks like the server needed to be rebooted. Sorry for the inconvenience.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 05:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== incomplete edit page [31 aug 2014] ==
 + 
 +When I tried to edit Place:Sliedrecht, I saw this on top: <edithelptext> and didn't see my trees at the bottom.
 +Then I couldn't store any changes, probably because of this (irrelevant) error text:
 + ''The place type must now be chosen from a drop-down list. The list will appear as you enter the type.''
 +(I didn't change the type, and no drop-down list seemed to work)
 + 
 +Also, my dashboard shows just the template; not data for me.
 +--[[User:Diba|DiBa]] 20:06, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 +:It looks like the server needed to be rebooted. Sorry for the inconvenience.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 05:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +==All the numbers on my Dashboard have disappeared==
 + 
 +Is this just mine ? or has anyone else experienced this ? --[[User:Neal Gardner|SkippyG]] 23:13, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 +:It looks like the server needed to be rebooted. Sorry for the inconvenience.--[[User:Dallan|Dallan]] 05:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== wife not showing on husband's page [2 September 2014] ==
 + 
 +[[Family:Ashley Haines and Lucy Ferrell (1)]] looks good; [[Person:Lucy Ferrell (1)]] shows her husband to be [[Person:Ashley Haines (1)]] but his page does not show a link to his wife. Can't figure this one out. What am I missing? --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 21:57, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +:It's showing on my screen (I'm using Crome) but over to the far right hand side. I think the problem is with the line breaking on the main body text. [[User:AndrewRT|AndrewRT]] 22:03, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +::I think it's fixed now - could you check? [[User:AndrewRT|AndrewRT]] 22:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:::Yes, it's fixed now. Thanks, I didn't know how to fix that! --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 03:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== The Pedigree Map function does not appear to work [7 September 2014] ==
 + 
 +When I select Pedigree Map, the screen says "working" for a brief period, then stops, but no Pedigree Map appears. Why? Am I doing something wrong?--[[User:Innesaj|Innesaj]] 14:28, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +Having persevered, it appears that the Pedigree Map works under Google Chrome for Windows 8 but not under Internet Explorer 11. This may be because Chrome has, and automatically maintains, Adobe Flash Player which WeRelate requires. It would be helpful if someone could confirm and explain this.--[[User:Innesaj|Innesaj]] 15:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Upload a file to a MySource (birth or death certificate) [7 September 2014] ==
 + 
 +I can't seem to figure out how to upload a file attachment to a MySource. Specifically, a birth or death certificate pdf. I currently have a few of these uploaded as images, but after learning about MySource pages it seemed to make more sense that these sources should properly exist as a "MySource" but it does not look like uploading a file is allowed. I can include the URL to the state website where I obtained the death certificates, but I would prefer to upload the file directly in case the URL changes or the availability of these records on the source website goes away completely.--[[User:Ktaustin2|Ktaustin2]] 13:20, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 +: If you have already created an image page for the document, you can call that image on the MySource page by placing '''<nowiki>[[Image:xxx.JPG]] </nowiki>'''in the text box. Hope that helps. --[[User:Cos1776|Cos1776]] 18:49, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 +::Note also that if you just want a link to the image, you can preceed it with a colon: '''<nowiki>[[:Image:xxx.JPG]] </nowiki>''' --[[User:Pkeegstra|pkeegstra]] 21:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +Thanks, I forgot about using internal references like that. That makes sense to me.--[[User:Ktaustin2|ktaustin2]] 19:21, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Adding link footnote to personal history section of a person page [8 September 2014] ==
 + 
 +Is there a way to add hyperlinked footnotes within the narrative personal history of a person page? For example, I have one page that has multiple conflicting sources and I wrote a narrative personal history in which just about every sentence includes a source reference to make it clear where each point of information is coming from. I just added [S1], [S2], etc in the text but this is not showing up as a link to the source citation at the bottom of that person page.--[[User:Ktaustin2|Ktaustin2]] 13:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +[http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Help:Formatting#How_Do_I_create_References_and_Footnotes.3F The Help FAQ has a references and footnotes section] that should help you on this. It's a bit different than using MySource and Source in the timeline area. Remember the <nowiki>{{cite|S1}}</nowiki> part of the instructions.
 + 
 +--[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 14:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +The (<)ref name="S1"/(>) format is exactly what I was trying to do, thanks.--[[User:Ktaustin2|ktaustin2]] 10:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== Search Options [15 September 2014] ==
 + 
 +When I search among my Watched persons for Edward L. Jackson I get <u>only one result; that of Audie Lee Jackson</u>. I was expecting to get [[Person:Edward Jackson (75)|Edward Lafayette Jackson]] among the options. Now I'm wondering why isn't Edward Lafayette Jackson offered as a result when searching for Edward L. Jackson??
 + 
 +Even when I change to searching among "Watched and unwatched" Edward Lafayette Jackson does not come up when searching for Edward L. Jackson. If search can find "Audie Lee Jackson" why can't it find "Edward Lafayette Jackson" when I ask for Edward L. Jackson?
 + 
 +Hmm.. Here is another [[Person:Edward Jackson (3)| Edward L. Jackson, Jr.]] who doesn't appear when searching for Edward L. Jackson!<br>And another [[Person:Edward Jackson (47)| Edward L. Jackson]] who doesn't appear in the results list! It seems to me that when one searches for Edward L. Jackson that ALL the Edward L. Jacksons should show first and then all the Edwards who have a middle name starting with the letter 'L' should be listed next. This isn't happening and I wonder why!! --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 16:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +: Where are you searching? Is it under list (i.e., [[Special:ListPages]]?) or the [[Special:Search|main search page]] or somewhere else? When I used the main search page, both Edward L. Jackson's showed up. -- [[User:Jdfoote1|Jdfoote1]] 17:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +Hi Janie - I also ran a couple of scenarios to see if I could duplicate the issue. First, I added myself to the watch list for your [[Person:Edward Jackson (75)|Edward Lafayette Jackson]] page and then I searched in my watched pages, like you did. What I found was that the Match options and/or the use of the middle initial in the search determined whether or not the desired page appeared. So:
 +* "Edward L Jackson" and "Exact Match Only" = NO
 +* "Edward L Jackson" and "Exact & close match" = NO
 +* "Edward L Jackson" and "Exact, close, & partial" = YES
 +* "Edward Jackson" and "Exact Match Only" = YES
 +* "Edward Jackson" and "Exact & close match" = YES
 +* "Edward Jackson" and "Exact, close, & partial" = YES
 +So as you can see, it is better to cast your net wide first and then work in. HTH. --[[User:Cos1776|Cos1776]] 17:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +:I was using the search link on the top menu list: Home - Search - List - Add - My Relate - Admin
 +:I searched both Watch and unwatched with no dates or locations so I thought using just the name with middle initial was a very broad search! The default is 'exact and close match' which I didn't even notice. So wouldn't close match have been able to find it? Apparently NOT! From the example above only Exact, close & partial will find Edward Lafayette when searching for Edward L. Jackson. It's my opinion that is cutting it too close - especially for the casual viewer coming by. Let's not make it any harder for viewers than necessary! I don't like searching without the middle initial because then there are SO MANY to search through! Can I get enough agreement on this to ask Dallan to change this? Thanks to both of you for responding to this. I'll pay more attention to Exact, close & partial from now on. --[[User:Janiejac|janiejac]] 23:27, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 +::My two cents. Computers are dumb. While you recognize that "L" or "L." means middle initial, typically a computer will think it means that is the literal middle name. Like the rebellious kid in my high school class that put his middle names as X: not Xavier, not a middle initial, his entire middle name was simply X. Edward Lafayette Jackson works great, and Edward Jackson works better than Edward L. Jackson because the "L." makes it try to find someone with the literal middle name "L." which it can't. To change the behavior requires adding programming to create non-intuitive (for a computer) behavior (i.e, so that it thinks more like a human), and all extra programming like this makes WeRelate harder to upgrade to the next version of wiki software. Every search engine on the Internet has its own quirks, but once you learn them you can take advantage of them. books.google.com looks only for whole words spelled exactly the same, Find A Grave will match your target string or something longer (at least sometimes), matching a name in a name field uses alternate names while names in the keywords field is a literal match, etc. --[[User:Jrich|Jrich]] 03:06, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +== How can I show living people in family tree? [24 September 2014] ==
 + 
 +Request for help:
 +I know pages cannot be created for living people. Then how do I include living people in my family tree?
 +Or living people cannot be family tree?
 +My wish family free need to include all people dead as well as lining people.
 +Thanks in advance.
 +Mahajanga@gmail.com--[[User:Girish|Girish]] 10:45, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +I use my own family tree software on my own computer to create trees and other reports that involve living people. [[User:Jillaine|Jillaine]] 12:29, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +I toyed around with software on my local computer for living relatives, but I found it easier to just keep a spreadsheet. Each family is grouped together, with columns for generation number, parents/spouse, and any contact info available. Of course I am an Engineer so I am pretty comfortable working with spreadsheets. This also makes it easy to share your database with your living relatives without requiring special software.--[[User:Ktaustin2|ktaustin2]] 10:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +What is the opinion of others re making a note under the Personal History heading of any person with living descendants such as "This person has living descendants." or, in the case of a couple, "This couple has living descendants"?
 + 
 +Our aim in withholding information about living people is to respect other people's privacy inside and outside the genealogical community.
 + 
 +--[[User:Goldenoldie|Goldenoldie]] 18:14, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 + 
 +----
 +I have made statements before like "they had x children" which is vague enough. I wouldn't mention a living person on a dead relatives page, but I have referenced online obituaries which usually have names of survivors and that is public record.--[[User:Ktaustin2|ktaustin2]] 02:49, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
-::I agree with Jennifer. That page has the actual title of the source. The other pages are not necessary at all and should be redirected, IMHO. -- [[User:Ajcrow|Amy (Ajcrow)]] 14:22, 26 November 2010 (EST)+== Importing a complete genealogy research site from another website [8 October 2014] ==
-:::Thank you Amy. I created a repository page for [[Repository:Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation]] and deleted the above pages. There was nothing that linked to them and deleting them ensures they don't show up in the drop-down box. --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 16:27, 26 November 2010 (EST)+
-== City Directories [6 December 2010] ==+I already have a fully functional research website that used to be free.
 +Now a monthly fee is being charged. What is the procedure to import that
 +website from Wikispaces.com to werelate.org?
 +Contact: italheritagesearch@yahoo.com--[[User:Heritagesearch|Heritagesearch]] 19:31, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 +:The import procedure for WeRelate is to upload a GEDCOM file. There is information on how to do this on the [[Help:FAQ|FAQ]] page. Since the intent of WeRelate is to have a single page per person, the upload process will attempt to match your records to records already in WeRelate so that you can merge any records that match instead of creating new pages. This makes the upload process an interactive process. (Note that matching is done at the couple level.) The current limit is 5000 individuals per GEDCOM file.
 +:When you upload your GEDCOM, WeRelate will also attempt to match place names to existing place pages, and will give you the option of matching your sources to existing source pages. These features enhance the consistency of the end result, but are not essential - they are not intended to be barriers to getting your pages uploaded. I have found the place matching to be of high quality for US places and of mixed quality for other places, but always worth a review to ensure the matching is accurate.
 +:Note that there is also a review process for GEDCOM's to mitigate the types of issues that happened some years ago when some files with few dates and sources were uploaded.
 +:If you have pages that are not person or family specific (e.g., a discussion of an event), you can create them in WeRelate, but I am not aware of any way of directly importing those.
 +:If you could give me a sense of the characteristics of your tree (number of people, how tightly interconnected the lines are, whether you have standardized place names, whether you have used a tool that helps identify issues such as potential duplicates or impossible date combinations), I might be able to give you a sense of how much work this would be. I helped another user to upload her file of approx. 20,000 individuals (see [[User talk:DataAnalyst|my talk page]] - topic Example of Collaboration ....).
 +:Hope this helps and that you choose to contribute to WeRelate.--[[User:DataAnalyst|DataAnalyst]] 00:07, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
-What is the policy for citing City Directories? Does each year have its own source page, or are they considered a serial publication? What is the proper format for the title? Thanks, --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 14:11, 1 December 2010 (EST)+== Related pages [20 October 2014] ==
-:I found some limited discussion about city directories as they related to the source renaming. We still seem to have a great variety of titles, from [[Source:Polk's Directory, Seattle, Washington, 1899-1900]] to [[Source:Westbrook, Cumberland, Maine, United States. Westbrook (Maine) City Directory, 1909-1910]].+
-:It seems that since these are geographically oriented items, they should follow the Place. Title rule. I also think that having (Maine) in the example above is redundant. There are also a variety of publishers for City Directories, so I chose to include that information in the title: [[Source:Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan, United States. R.L. Polk & Co.'s Grand Rapids City Directory]]. I also grouped all years from the same publisher in one source, and omitted any dates in the page title. Am I on the right track here? --[[User:JBS66|Jennifer (JBS66)]] 13:28, 6 December 2010 (EST)+Can someone help me understand how the "related pages" work? Is there a reason why I would not want to add the pages that come up to my tree? Assuming that they only show up on this page if someone has added decendents or ancestors to people in my tree?
-::Since many of the directory sources were imported from Ancestry and Family Search, you will find a variety of formats in the catalog. Directories should be treated as Serial as you proposed. The year of issue is part of the citation added by the user, but not the source title. However, there should be a separate source for different publishers. The text box on the source page could contain some useful information about which issues are available at various resources. This is one source where having catalog pages could be of great use. The few directories that I have found already had source pages so I used those (pre-redesign.) If I were to add one now, I would do it as you describe. --[[User:Jlanoux|Judy (jlanoux)]] 15:45, 6 December 2010 (EST)+Thanks!--[[User:Jonmcrawford|Jonmcrawford]] 01:58, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

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GEDCOM import - More than 24 hours for review [16 April 2014]

Didn't note the time when I uploaded my Gedcom but its got to be more than 48 hours ago. This is poor, especially when the purpose of this exercise is to compare WeRelate to Wikitree before making a choice. The people at Wikitree are very responsive.--Innesaj 14:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

I still new to this site. I think I done everything right but I am still waiting for more than 24 hours for Admin review of my gedcom. Can some advise me what may or maynot have done wrong?--Myfamilytree 15:31, 10 May 2013 (EDT)


Hello,

WeRelate relies on people volunteering their time and effort to ensure a degree off quality in the genealogy you find here. This means that sometimes it takes longer then we would like for gedcom reviews to occur but there are positives to this. One of the greatest things about this site is that on werelate you are truly collaborating with others and not just duplicsting the same people as you share information.--JeffreyRLehrer 16:10, 11 May 2013 (EDT)

Perhaps the admins could think of something that could be done to manage this situation - perhaps agreeing some kind of target "service level" or messaging people if the delay is over, say, a day, to say "please be patient, we are busy and have x GEDCOMs above you in the queue" AndrewRT 17:35, 30 May 2013 (EDT)

It could be noted that Rakirkwood has now waited for a week for his first import to be reviewed. I've waited less than 24 hours, so I'm not complaining for myself, but it doesn't look hopeful. ;-) Maybe more Admins are needed? --Lennart 12:24, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
Additional volunteers are always welcome! I would like to note the date on the GEDCOM review page is the date the user uploaded their file, not the date it was submitted for admin review. Users generally take some time reviewing their file and processing Family Matches before submitting it for upload. WeRelate does strive to process GEDCOM files within 24 hours, but, since this site is volunteer based, that can take a bit longer in some instances. --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:33, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
Aha. That looked like a big import as well, so maybe things aren't as bad as they looked. That's good to hear. --Lennart 12:40, 7 September 2013 (EDT)


I am curious about a specific lineage. How can I find out who the contributors are so as to collaborate with them?--Pjceditor 14:47, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Select History in the left-hand panel and you will see all the user names who added or edited a page. Select a user link, then select their Talk page and leave a note there.--DataAnalyst 03:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Did my GEDCOM 'fall thru the cracks'? It's been 4-5 weeks.--Diane Hosler 19:02, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

It looks like it did fall through the cracks. I'll follow up on this. Thank-you for letting me know. I apologize for the wait.--Dallan 22:07, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Naming person pages [30 May 2013]

If a person Alex Bob Smith is usually known by his middle name Bob, should his person page be named Alex Smith or Bob Smith? (A well-known real-life example would be (Williard) Mitt Romney.) -- Ypnypn 20:58, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

Genealogically speaking, it's probably a better idea to have the page title reflect a person's "legal" name, since that's what is more likely to appear on official documents. But remember that you can add as many variants (spelling differences, nicknames, adoptions, or whatever) on the Person page as "alternate names." (Don't add married names for women; those are taken care of automatically.) They will then show up in search results. I do this frequently with surnames that are habitually misspelled by census enumerators, so someone new to the family can find them, and thus discover what the "correct" name is. --MikeTalk 09:10, 30 May 2013 (EDT)

Sources [9 June 2013]

How are we supposed to add sources if we uploaded a tree as a GED file and the sources did not carry over?

All 4 of the trees that I uploaded had sources attached to them but when they uploaded the sources were not carried over then another member went through my trees and made changes without my authorization and stating that I had "no sources" which is not true. Now all of my data that I have spent years collecting, researching and SOURCING has been changed.

I don't really understand how any member can make unauthorized changes to someone else's data without the tree owner's approval. Additionally, some of our families have kept family bible that have extensive records in them that no one else may have access to...--LEnde1018 00:20, 9 June 2013 (EDT)


I'm just another user, so these are not "official" statements, and I may stand to be corrected.

First, WeRelate is about collaborative research, so no one "owns" a person page. If you are registered to "watch" a page (automatic if you created the page), you will be notified whenever someone makes an addition or change. Where there are conflicts in the data, the users can use the talk page to understand each other's sources, and perhaps come to a consensus. You can also include alternate dates, etc. so that other researchers know when sources do not agree.

Second, regarding sources not getting uploaded. I have experienced this myself, and it is not a WeRelate issue, but an issue with the way I exported the data to create a GED file. If you use a text editor to review the GED you created, you should see lines with an SOUR tag. These are your sources. If there are no SOUR tags in the GED, try changing settings from your program until sources are exported. Another way to recognize the problem is once the GED file is uploaded and you are in the review process. If the Sources tab has no data, then none were uploaded. When this happens to me, I delete the file and start over.

When I begin to review a newly uploaded file, I have found it pays to quickly review all of the tabs to ensure they contain data, before working thru each one sequentially. It is a real pain to fix all of the places (match them to existing WeRelate places) only to find I have to delete the file and start over.

It is also worth the effort to match places, sources and families during the review process, so that you do not have as many manual changes to make on each person and family page after you complete the upload. And yes, I do review each page after I upload them because my program does no map data to the fields I think should be used. If I have done the work up front during the review process, then final clean up of each page goes very quickly. My program does allow me to flag records I have selected for export, so that I have a working list for this manual review.

When I have completed the upload, review, import and manual review process, I can then sit back and wait for a fellow researcher to "find" my pages and make their own contributions to them.

Where does this leave you with the "sourceless" pages? You can generate a new GED file that does include the SOUR tags, and upload it. You will then need to merge the new data to the existing person and family pages. Experiment with a small number of these so that you understand the merge process. You can deselect data from either the person page or the new upload so that it is not included in the updated page. This will prevent two of everything being created. For example, where a data element is exactly the same, such as a name of date, keep the new one you upload because it will include your source. You can deselect the original field that had no source. If the original already has a source, play around to understand how to keep both of them. You don't want to delete someone else's source, you just want to add your sources to the documentation for the page.

Sorry this is so long. Don't be discouraged by the learning curve. I have invested a lot of time in uploading thousands of person pages, and would do it again. However, I continue to find ways to make the process go faster. It is worth the effort.--RGMoffat 01:15, 9 June 2013 (EDT)


list of alternate spellings of names [9 October 2013]

Where is Dallan's list of alternate spellings of names? I need to add some alt spellings. I understand if they are added to the that list, the search engine will find the right page even if all the alt spellings aren't on the person's page. --janiejac 12:31, 18 June 2013 (EDT)


http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Special:Names JeffreyRLehrer 19:09, 18 June 2013 (EDT)


Naming Convention [22 June 2013]

What's preferred -- Abraham van der Meulen OR Abraham Van der Meulen OR Abraham Van Der Meulen? Thanks!--Frank 16:53, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

It can depend on where the person was from. Convention in the Netherlands would be van der Meulen. --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:14, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Sub-catagories not showing on Category page [6 July 2013]

I have created a number of categories pages for counties in Ontario, Canada, but they do not show up on the "Category:Ontario, Canada" page. My most recent addition was "Category:Renfrew, Ontario, Canada" I have reviewed in edit mode the sub-categories that do show up and cannot see where the problem is.

What am I missing?--RGMoffat 17:43, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

The Renfrew category does appear within the Ontario category, but not on the first page. You need to press the next 200 link a bunch of times to get past the P articles that appear in the category to see the R subcategory link. Here is a quicker link to where Renfrew appears. --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:01, 6 July 2013 (EDT)

Go figure! I expected all sub-categories to be listed on the first page, before the Places. There are three of them there. Obviously, they all occur alphabetically before "P." Maybe this can be added to a wish list somewhere along the line.

Thank you for responding. I had left an earlier note (last year) on a different talk page, but it was never answered. I need to remember to use the support page in the future.--RGMoffat 09:52, 6 July 2013 (EDT)


Clean-up of Cemetery Name Variants [15 July 2013]

During my earlier data uploads, I used cemetery names as found in various sources. I have now confirmed that the following are all the same cemetery:

< nowiki >Place:Country Cemetery, Georgetown, Miller, Dearborn, Indiana, United States< nowiki >

< nowiki >Place:Georgetown Cemetery, Georgetown, Miller, Dearborn, Indiana, United States< nowiki >

< nowiki >Place:Georgetown Cemetery, Dearborn, Indiana, United States< nowiki >

I have re-linked person pages to the last entry in the above list.

Please delete the first two place pages so that they do not get used in the future.

In addition, when I created a place page for the historical community of Georgetown, I included the township name (Miller) in the place name. I realize this is non-standard, but I cannot rename the page because of existing links. Can an admin do this?

Sorry to cause extra work.

Rick Moffat--RGMoffat 17:51, 15 July 2013 (EDT)



More than 24 hours has passed and still no GEDCOM review [17 July 2013]

Is there a delay in this process? This is my first import and I have yet 3 more to do. Also is there any reason why you cannot continue to upload multiple GEDCOM rather than wait for the previous import to be reviewed?--Plapic 18:53, 16 July 2013 (EDT)


I noticed the WeRelate server was very slow yesterday. That could be the problem.

Just another WR user. --Goldenoldie 04:55, 17 July 2013 (EDT)


Handling Unwed Mothers [17 July 2013]

My grandfather never knew who his father was, so what's the best way of linking him to his mother. I feel like I shouldn't add a family record since there is no husband/father, but it seems that it's the only way to link him to his mother. (Although, I am new here and haven't quite worked out even all the simple details.)--Artbasement 14:09, 17 July 2013 (EDT)

Adding a family page is correct. When you add the page, keep the husband's name fields blank and enter the mother's name. The page will then be titled Unknown and {mother's name}. An example of this type of setup is Family:Unknown and Aaltje Faber (1). --Jennifer (JBS66) 14:17, 17 July 2013 (EDT)

Request - re-locate Hollywood [21 July 2013]

Hello. I would like to see Place:Hollywood, Los Angeles, California, United States moved to Place:Hollywood, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, United States as Hollywood is a district within the city of Los Angeles, rather than just an unknown location type in the county of Los Angeles. Thanks for your help. I found I could not rename as there are subordinate pages. --ceyockey 11:29, 21 July 2013 (EDT)


Project pages - researching an individual [29 July 2013]

I saw the video and it mentioned setting up project pages. I have a research problem of trying to sorting out the identities of two men named James Behan to determine if they are in fact the same man. Another person is working with me on the project and we hope to get other descendants involved. I'd like to upload documents, images, notes, etc that would help us all analyze the problem.

Is a project page the way to do this? If we have death certificates, census records, immigration records and the like, what is the best way to upload those? I'm confused by the choices on the Add dropdown because it seems to relate more to books, etc when asking for description of the object.

Thanks for your help.--karen1 16:06, 21 July 2013 (EDT)

Hi Karen. I would suggest two alternatives: first create a person page with the information on for each of the two (possibly identical) people and add all the information to the pages. Just click on these two links - Person:James_Behan_(3) and Person:James_Behan_(4) (assuming first your person isn't either Person:James_Behan_(1) or Person:James_Behan_(2)!) and then click "Edit" on left. I would use "Add -- Image" personally for death certificates and upload a scanned image. Then either create text in the main box on one of the person pages and set out the case for and against these people being the same person. Alternatively, create an article in Mainspace to discuss the issue (perhaps James Behan question) and set it out there. Hope this helps. AndrewRT 18:26, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

Please delete Dup [1 August 2013]

Can you please the following page. My Stupid Browse keep crashing leading me to think that the source was not add

Source:Prowell, George Reeser. History of York County Pennsylvania (Volume II)


Thanks--Myfamilytree 22:36, 26 July 2013 (EDT)

I haven't got the user rights to delete so I've redirected it to the other page which has the same impact. Hope this helps. AndrewRT 18:17, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
Next time (and for future references everyone else) just add the Speedy Delete tag to it and myself or someone else on the Deletion team will get to it User:DMaxwell 06:57, 1 August 2013 (EDT)

thanks...--Myfamilytree 09:42, 1 August 2013 (EDT)


Help on new pages [1 August 2013]

I am currently working on a set of families that lived on the remote island of North Ronaldshay, in the Orkneys, North Scotland. One of the key "signposts" that has emerged in this research is the role played by the "Houses" on the island. These often held multiple families, were passed down the generations and were often included in the genealogical records. They also became a key way of identifying people, who often shared the same forename and surname - for instance, Thomas Tulloch was called "Tommy Garso", because he lived in a house called "Garso".

I would like to create a page or a set of pages that links together the information about the individual houses so that they can be used to trace the families through time. The first idea I had was to set them up as "Place" pages although I note that the policy seems to discourage this. The alternative seems to be in the general namespace which, unless I'm mistaken, doesn't have any particular rules about what should or shouldn't be created there.

Please could someone advise - where would be the right place to create this page? Thanks AndrewRT 18:13, 29 July 2013 (EDT)


I have the same problem currently in Southwest Scotland--Galloway to be exact. My own family lived in the main farmhouse of a farm named Auchenlosh, but the 1841 census indicates there were 10 other cottages there all housing farm workders. That adds up to a community of a comparible size to what might be called a hamlet in rural parts of the United States and Canada. And yet, I also hesitate to give the farm a placename. I intend to write an Article about this particular farm because (1) people in the cottages are bound to be related as in-laws and cousins, and (2) I own its 18th century rent book.

The parish, and all the parishes around, hold plenty of farms like these. It's an interesting situation, probably based on a need for many hands, leftover from feudal times, and which didn't end until the invention of the tractor. --Goldenoldie 07:26, 1 August 2013 (EDT)


auto suggestions and recently used sources - not working? (reposted from Watercooler) [6 August 2013]

(reposted from WaterCooler)

One very nice thing about this site is the suggestions for place names - to conform to the site to the same standard. This as well as the recently used source, which is nice for when you are using the same source over and over again. I tried 3 different browsers and I still have the same issue. I don't understand how a browser could affect the recently used source option. The auto suggestion feature is working about 25% of the time for me. I'd like to hear from Dallan or one of the admins as to what might be causing this...it's driving me up the wall. I must note that I am a Linux user, which has never been a problem with the site performance or any form until the last week and a half or so. Daniel Maxwell 06:45, 1 August 2013 (EDT)

I cannot use the autocompletion when I browse from behind my squid proxy. I don't know if it's intrinsic to the squid proxy, or just the ancient version I use. Note that it's not intermittent. Do you use different internet setups? Otherwise perhaps upstream of you you are getting different proxies different days. --Pkeegstra 06:40, 6 August 2013 (EDT)

Place page showing map location incorrectly [2 August 2013]

For some reason, the Google map embedded in this place page Place:Grantsville, Calhoun, West Virginia, United States is showing a different location. The coordinates in the place page are correct, but the map is showing coordinates for a different place (a few miles away). I don't see any way that I can fix this by editing the page.--DataAnalyst 19:08, 2 August 2013 (EDT)


It should appear correct now. A cemetery was incorrectly attributed to Grantsville, which caused the map to generate in the wrong location. --Khaentlahn 20:15, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

Table -- varying data between one place and another [15 August 2013]

I have worked out a table that I could use to give specific bits of information about one place. Could I adopt it as a template to use in a series of places for which the same types of information could be provided? The first two columns of the table are permanent, the third column contains the variables.

The table can currently be found at Template:Buckinghamshire unions of parishes.

If it is possible to make a variable table, are these instructions in Help, anywhere? --Goldenoldie 06:47, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

Hoping I've understood correctly, you can introduce parameters into a template by using {{{1}}} on your template page and then passing the parameter through when you use the template - e.g. {{template name|variable1}}. I have an example at Template:DNA-Y12 if this is useful although apologies it's quite a complex template! The wikipedia help page is here although note that some of the more complex bits don't work on WeRelate as we are still on an old version. AndrewRT 15:36, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

I had a good look at the example and, as you expected, I was stymied by the complexity. What I was hoping for was a uniform template in the form of a table in which I could fill in the blanks (=variables/parameters) in the third columns. It would have been an expanded form of the See Also box.

I have now replanned my basic idea for presenting Buckinghamshire and added pages for the county divisions named "hundreds". I didn't know "hundred" was in the WR list of types of places until this afternoon. There are many English counties where this division was commonly used up to the early 19th century and someone is bound to need it sometime. By adding place pages for the "rural districts" and "urban districts" as well, I should be able to put all the information on a parish's membership in administrative areas in the See Also box.

Thanks for your help. --Goldenoldie 14:16, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

I took a crack at creating a template from this, which accepts parameters, and added some basic documentation. I didn't set it up to take parameters for the dates, but that's possible as well. Let me know what you think, and if you have questions -- Jdfoote1 11:38, 15 August 2013 (EDT)

need help with template [1 September 2013]

The template that has been posted on Henry Leonard's page is too wide. It causes all info to fall 'below the fold' and at first glance, the page appears to have nothing on it. Can someone please make the template more narrow so it doesn't fall under the family info?--janiejac 16:36, 31 August 2013 (EDT)

It is strange that this template can not be put in Notes. It is a Note. The Note is now made via ref whatever works.--Lidewij 05:25, 1 September 2013 (EDT)
Yes, the placement confused me because the reader cannot tell which quote is the copyrighted quote. Looking at the history of this page, it appears that a lot of text has already been removed. Perhaps the already removed material was the offending text and the author just didn't remove the template?? Only the person who may have recognized the copyright material would know. There should be some method of monitoring such notices to remove them when appropriate. Of course, it still needs to be made more narrow. --janiejac 10:46, 1 September 2013 (EDT)
I made the original template narrower. I also removed the template from Henry's page since the copyrighted text had been removed. --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:58, 1 September 2013 (EDT)
Thank you!! I'm hoping to add descendants of Henry and wasn't sure what to do with this page. --janiejac 12:56, 1 September 2013 (EDT)

Fixing Gotland place names [2 October 2013]

I've noticed that the placenames in Gotland, Sweden all use the format of "Somewhere, Gotlands, Gotland, Sweden". This is incorrect, there is not place called "Gotlands", and "Gotland" and "Gotland" is of course the same place. It should be "Somewhere, Gotland, Sweden". This differs from general Swedish place names because the Municipality, County and Region are all the same thing.

However, fixing this seems complicated, for reasons of consistency. I can for example not rename "Parish, Gotlands, Gotland, Sweden" if it contains places. But I also can't move the places it contains to "Farm, Parish, Gotland, Sweden", because "Paris, Gotland Sweden" does not yet exist.

So I think I would have to first create a new "Parish, Gotland, Sweden", then move the places within, then redirect the old Parish.

This is doable, but I'm wondering if there possibly can be an easier way? Because that will take a *long* time to do.

--Regebro 22:02, 6 September 2013 (EDT)


I saw a mention of a bot that will "Rename sub-places in response to super-place renames", and then I realized that there is a simpler way to do this.
The problem is that when I try to rename for example Place:Bunge, Gotlands, Gotland, Sweden to the correct Place:Bunge, Gotland, Sweden I get the error "This place has subordinate places. Only an administrator can rename a place with subordinate places. Please ask for help at Support."
Since there is a bit to fix that, this means that the easiest way to do this is to have an administrator do the renaming. I therefore request that an administrator does this move so we can get rid of Place:Gotlands, Gotland, Sweden.
Please ask me for more information if anything is unclear. --Lennart 03:02, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
I asked about this over at WeRelate talk:Place patrol because I am unsure about the logistics of this. I'll also ask Dallan about it and will post a response early next week. --Jennifer (JBS66) 08:02, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
All of the places within Gotlands have been renamed to be directly under Gotland.--Dallan 02:30, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Problem with embedded URLs [2 October 2013]

If I paste [1] into a Text field of a Reference the URL links correctly.

However if I paste the same link into a Title field of a Reference it breaks.

--Jhamstra 09:40, 7 September 2013 (EDT)

URL's work in the Title field when you enclose them in brackets with text like this: [http://www.werelate.org WeRelate]. Otherwise, you could add the URL to the Record Name or Text field. --Jennifer (JBS66) 09:47, 7 September 2013 (EDT)

Thanks Jennifer.

Unfortunately there is still a problem with the display when I do this. Now the URL does not break but the entire URL displays rather than a "numbered square-arrow link icon" as I get elsewhere. Look at the results of Reference 6 (without nowiki brackets but no embedded spaces in URL) vs Reference 7 (with nowiki brackets to avoid beaking URL with embedded spaces) in this family.

You might want to go to the associated Talk page to see why I am updating this Family 8-).

--Jhamstra 08:45, 8 September 2013 (EDT)

I personally don't think URL's really make sense in the title field. It's better to have them in the text, as full URL's, not just "[1]" links. Having just the [1] links will for example mean that you lose the reference if you print it. It's also Wiki-specific syntax. It probably won't break anything if you export as GEDCOM and import somewhere else, but it means it will look different when transferred to other software. --Lennart 09:28, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
When a URL is enclosed in nowiki brackets, it won't be clickable.
Plimoth Plantation - Plimoth & Patuxet Ancestors - Genealogical Profiles [http://www.plimoth.org/learn/MRL/read/plimoth-patuxet-ancestors#profiles] displays Plimoth Plantation - Plimoth & Patuxet Ancestors - Genealogical Profiles [2] or
[http://www.plimoth.org/learn/MRL/read/plimoth-patuxet-ancestors#profiles Plimoth Plantation - Plimoth & Patuxet Ancestors - Genealogical Profiles] displays Plimoth Plantation - Plimoth & Patuxet Ancestors - Genealogical Profiles.
Note, if you are looking at this message from the edit screen, you will want to omit the nowiki tags. --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:22, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
Well I happen to like the way Reference [6] looks now and I would like to make Reference [7] look the same way but apparently nobody can tell me how to do that. If I bracket the URL with nowiki tags then it does not substitute the icon for the reference. If I replace spaces with %20 and bracket the URL without nowiki tags then it breaks-up the URL anyway. --Jhamstra 00:27, 9 September 2013 (EDT)
Also, note that URLs should not have spaces - they should be replaced with %20 - so, the URL in question should be http://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/Family%20Indexes/Bonham%20Index.html, which will allow you to use the MediaWiki bracketed markup, without the nowiki tags. While many browsers can handle URLs with spaces, in general it's just a bad idea to use them. -- Jdfoote1 17:33, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
If you look at my original submission regarding "== Problem with embedded URLs [8 September 2013] ==", I did in fact replace the spaces with %20 but it still did not display the bracketed URL correctly in the title. --Jhamstra 00:27, 9 September 2013 (EDT)
So, I've been looking into this. I see exactly what you are talking about. It looks to me like a WeRelate bug, where the content is decoded, but I'm not positive yet. As a workaround, I put a link in the Volume field, which displays right next to the title. -- Jdfoote1 07:54, 9 September 2013 (EDT)
Thanks for the work-around - it looks good!
I think this bug originates from when the Source=Citation option was added to References. The parser for the Title field for Source=Citation needs to be different from Source=Source or MySource.
--Jhamstra 08:37, 9 September 2013 (EDT)

One of the symptoms of this problem is that the inline editor seems to be replacing each embedded %20 in the Title field with a space before storing it. So it displays as %20 before I click Save but displays as a space if I click Edit again. I have no way of telling whether this is a WeRelate or MediaWiki problem or if it is a Firefox problem. However since Firefox seems to have no problems editing the correct result into text boxes including this one, I suspect the problem lies elsewhere ie something that filters the Title field when it is being saved.

At this point I have tried each of the following (sans nowiki and quotes) without success:

"An American Family History - The Bonham, Fuller and Lothrop Families [http://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/Family%20Indexes/Bonham%20Index.html]"

"[An American Family History - The Bonham, Fuller and Lothrop Families http://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/Family%20Indexes/Bonham%20Index.html]"

"[http://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/Family%20Indexes/Bonham%20Index.html An American Family History - The Bonham, Fuller and Lothrop Families]"

So if this is working correctly for you people who are trying to help me, then could you tell me what browser (name and release level) you are using? And exactly what character string you entered? --Jhamstra 00:47, 9 September 2013 (EDT)

I spent some time trying various work-arounds, but nothing worked better than the solution you came up with. Unfortunately the cite extension that we're using is very finicky. I'm reluctant to touch it because other things will likely break. I think we'll have to wait until we upgrade the software to a more-recent version before this URL problem is fixed.--Dallan 02:30, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Having trouble adding image to profile page [8 September 2013]

How do I attach the image I uploaded to my profile page?--Tammyhensel 16:05, 8 September 2013 (EDT)

I added the image by using [[Image:Tammy Hensel.jpg|300 px]]. You can adjust the size by editing the px number. --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:10, 8 September 2013 (EDT)

Thank you very much.--Tammyhensel 16:41, 8 September 2013 (EDT)


Need advice on whether I can post a photograph [11 September 2013]

Can I upload a digital copy of the photo found at

http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p267401coll36/id/6489/rec/1279

to werelate.org

if so, how do I fill out the copyright information

My grandfather is in the photo.--Charlie s 14:44, 11 September 2013 (EDT)


Unfortunately the links to the pages with copyright information leads to missing pages. I think the correct page is now http://ww2.ohiohistory.org/resource/audiovis/repro.html .
Looks like you'll have to have to ask the Ohio Historical Society for permission. --Lennart 16:00, 11 September 2013 (EDT)

Live People [12 September 2013]

Is there a reason Live people cant be added to a family if I do a Gedcom upload--Jbtabb 17:47, 11 September 2013 (EDT)

Pages for living people are not permitted on WeRelate due to privacy issues. See the policy here. --Jennifer (JBS66) 08:10, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

Warnings bug?? [19 January 2014]

I uploaded a small gedcom of abt 30 persons. I had a warning that one marriage was when the couple was too young. Since it was such a small gedcom this one warning gave me 21% warnings. So I saw the marriage date was wrong and edited the page removing the date of marriage. That should have fixed the problem. But now the warnings are just doubled - and the list of warnings now list the same couple twice. Now I have 42% and cannot upload. Am I missing something here or is there a bug? --janiejac 21:14, 14 September 2013 (EDT)

I still see the warnings at 21%. The warnings percentage is only generated when you upload your file, they are not recalculated when you make edits during GEDCOM review. I went ahead and imported the file for you. --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:18, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
Some small bug must have caused that msg after editing the page during review. I didn't imagine seeing the 41% warnings msg and the same two people listed twice. And the comment that because of the 41% warning I could not upload. Perhaps the view the admin sees just didn't show that. Or perhaps the msg went away after 24 hours? In any case, thanks for uploading it. --janiejac 09:47, 16 September 2013 (EDT)

I have noted that warnings are often duplicated in GEDCOM uploads (on the warnings tab that the submitter sees when reviewing the GEDCOM). This is clearly a bug, but it has never been significant enough for me to report. Warnings that have already been read will be added again as unread warnings after some editing and/or matching of the GEDCOM file - I have not taken the time to determine if there is a particular pattern or trigger for this.--DataAnalyst 02:50, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, it has happened again so now I cannot import the file. Before review I had a 7% warning level, concerning 2 problems. I fixed one but the system did not provide an edit feature so I could fix the other one. But the larger problem was that in fixing that first warning, the system doubled all alerts and thus increased the warning level to now 13.8 percent and now I cannot import. This same thing happened on my last gedcom import/review process. I mentioned it at that time, and the admins saw no problem and inported the file for me. But since it has now happened twice, I think someone should look at it. --janiejac 15:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Being impatient, I just went back to that GEDCOM that I could not import because the warnings had all duplicated themselves and now the percentage was too high. But when I went into it this evening, it was all OK. So perhaps a work-around to this problem is to close the review and open it again. Anyway, since the warning percentage was now back to 7%, I was able to import it. That still needs fixed because a newbie might have completely given up. --janiejac 02:06, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Error messages at top of Watercooler page [27 October 2013]

Near the top of the Watercooler are some error messages:

  Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/mnt/images/6/64/LibraryBook.GIF': @ error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2587. convert: missing an image filename `/mnt/images/thumb/6/64/LibraryBook.GIF/105px-LibraryBook.GIF' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3011.
  Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/mnt/images/9/99/New_User.jpg': @ error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2587. convert: missing an image filename `/mnt/images/thumb/9/99/New_User.jpg/96px-New_User.jpg' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3011

This happens with Chrome and I.E. --Robert.shaw 04:47, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

This appears to be fixed now. It was related to the issue posted here on the Watercooler. If you are still experiencing any problems, please let us know. --Jennifer (JBS66) 14:46, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I get the same error message today: Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/mnt/images/e/e5/Lesja_I_verlie.jpg': @ error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2587. convert: missing an image filename `/mnt/images/thumb/e/e5/Lesja_I_verlie.jpg/180px-Lesja_I_verlie.jpg' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3011. See this profile for example: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Ola_Bj%C3%B8kne_%281%29 Annema 12:06, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
I uploaded the document again and named it Image:Lesja I Overlie.jpg. It seems the error was caused by the Ø in the title. I will mention this bug to Dallan. --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:34, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Help with email verification please [1 October 2013]

I have set up a werelate account for my best friend on Friday night. I have tried several times to verify her email address & although I have sent several email verification emails, they have not made it to her email account. All of her information is correct & her email account is working. Dallan emailed me & said there were some hardware issues but I am still not able to confirm Tracey's email account. Any help would be most appreciated.

Jules--JulesLonghurstStiles 21:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Just to follow up, it looks like your friend's email was confirmed on the 24th. Let me know if there is still a problem.--Dallan 20:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Dallan I used my alternate email to verify my friend's werelate account. Which works just fine since I check my email often which my gf does not lol. I hope this is not a problem.--JulesLonghurstStiles 16:30, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


Links to other websites are not allowed [29 September 2013]

Help please,

I am working on my profile page and added some external links and got the following error message when I tried to save the page:

"Links to other websites are not allowed"

Since when can we not use links to other websites? Why are there directions in the Help section on how to create external links if we are not allowed to use them?

A little confused here... :(

Thanks for your input!--Marytennessee 13:42, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


Mary, I attempted to recreate your situation. I added an external link on my profile page and did not get any error message. Jillaine 22:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


Hi Jillaine! Thanks for your help! I tried the link again and it worked this time. WeRelate was having a bad hair day, I guess... :) Ruth--Marytennessee 22:50, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


GEDCOM review [2 October 2013]

Is every GEDCOM reviewed by an administrator prior to finalizing the import process? I understand that things need to be double-checked, but my hands are completely tied, waiting for an ok on my gedcom. Very frustrating. I was wondering if this will be a problem every time I try to import a .ged file.

Thanks--Marytennessee 00:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Every GEDCOM gets a review prior to finalizing the import. It helps keep out bad GEDCOMs. Typically the review happens within 24 hours (sometimes it's 48). We would welcome more volunteers to help review if anyone is interested.--Dallan 20:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Let's talk a bit about GEDCOM review. Marytennessee, I share your frustration over what feels like such a long delay in waiting for the final review. Where can we read about what is involved with this review? I would hesitate to volunteer without knowing more about it. I know the time required must depend on the size of the upload but what can a volunteer expect? And how much volunteering would be expected if one signs up? --janiejac 07:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm glad you're interested! You can find out more here. Checking the list of GEDCOMs to be reviewed just once a day would be a big help. Most of the time there won't be any to review. For example, Solveig spends an average of 15 minutes a day but as more people get involved that number would decrease. If you're interested, leave a message on the talk page.--Dallan 02:30, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

rearranging order of marriages [4 October 2013]

I think I read somewhere that there was a way to list marriages in the proper chronological order when lack of marriage dates causes them to be listed out of order. I don't remember how to do that. How do I rearrange them properly?--janiejac 00:12, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Go to the edit screen for the person - to the 'Spouse and children family' section where there are 2 families listed. Hover your mouse arrow just to the left of one of the families. Your mouse pointer will change from a single arrow to 4 arrows pointing N-S-E-W. When your pointer changes to that, hold the left mouse button and drag the box either up or down to rearrange. --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! It was easy once I knew how! Now if we just had the ability to re-order the sources. Maybe sometime in the future. --janiejac 13:46, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Family tree search disgorges stale data [18 October 2013]

I cleaned up tree Jhamstra/Wilson one to two weeks ago, removing perhaps half of the entries. Yet these entries that are no longer in the trees still show up whenever I do a search. I have cleared my browser cache and they still do not go away.

Apparently they are cached somewhere within WeRelate server. Please clear this cache as it is tedious and impractical to find current entries in a search with all this old garbage coming back.

At what point should your cache of searches refresh itself?

--Jhamstra 19:56, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

It should refresh within 10-15 minutes. Can you give me the title of a page that's still showing up in searches? That will help me track down the problem.--Dallan 19:34, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Well the very first person displayed in my Wilson tree is Charlemagne. They say that all Europe is descended from this gentleman so perhaps he should be in this tree but he is not. He was there some time ago as a result of experimenting I did with FTE and tree update etc.--Jhamstra 22:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
It looks like when you remove pages from your tree, the pages don't get re-indexed so they stay connected to your tree until they get edited or someone watches/unwatches them. I've configured the indexer to re-index all pages over the next several days so the pages should start being removed from your tree soon. I'm heading out of town tomorrow; I'll fix the bug when I get back on Monday. Thanks for letting me know.--Dallan 23:18, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Charlemagne no longer appears but now his son Louis appears first. More importantly the search results for this tree now contain about 1000 fewer hits so I guess the re-indexing is making progress. Will check back again later. Thanks. --Jhamstra 09:04, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Russian place names not showing Located In correctly [18 October 2013]

It looks like Russian place name that include a form of accent over combinations of letters cause an error in the "located in" display, as if the commas in the name are being ignored. See Zaporiz︠h︡z︠h︡i︠a︡, Zaporizhia, Ukraine, which gives its "located in" as Ukraine, as a case in point.--DataAnalyst 23:05, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

An apostrophe at the end of a name causes the same problem (but not the searching problem mentioned below). Check out Place:Melitopol′, Tavrida, Russia.--DataAnalyst 01:55, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I'll fix that when I get back next week as well.--Dallan 23:20, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Dallan. I realized yesterday that what I was looking at was not an accent, but an indication that 2 letters were the result of transliterating a single Cyrillic letter (e.g., z︠h︡ represents the Cyrillic letter ж). It does not appear that this indicator is common practice (see Google maps), or necessary. The downside is not only the problem with the commas, but also that it interferes with the search engine. (When I search with the exact phrase "Nyzhnia Khortytsia", it does not find Place:Nyz︠h︡ni︠a︡ Khortyt︠s︡i︠a︡, Zaporiz︠h︡z︠h︡i︠a︡, Zaporizhia, Ukraine). I'm wondering if WeRelate should drop these indicators in place names (which seem to have been picked up solely from the Family History Library Catalogue). If they were to be removed through automation, I assume that duplicate place page names might result. (For example, Place:Verkhna Khortytsya, Zaporizhia, Ukraine and Place:Verkhni︠a︡ Khortyt︠s︡ya, Zaporizhia, Ukraine are almost identical other than the indicators.) This would result in a bit more work (to identify and merge the duplicates), but would result in better overall quality. I'll let you think about the best way to proceed on this (fix all bugs related to the indicators or simply remove them). --DataAnalyst 16:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)


Removal of some content [10 December 2013]

How do I go about removing content relating to a descendant? Although it may be factually correct, it serves no purpose being placed here.--LAPace 14:25, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean that there is narrative on a person's page that gives information on the person's descendant and you don't think it belongs on that page? If so, you can edit the page and remove the content. In the summary, note what you have done and why (e.g., "removed info about a descendant - does not belong on this page").
Does that answer your question? If not, can you indicate which page you are thinking of and maybe I can take a look.--DataAnalyst 02:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

correcting a family [3 November 2013]

I have removed the incorrect wife of Person:Thomas Rockwell (11), however her name still appears with an "add" link.

How can I get a correct page for Thomas T. Rockwell, Sr?--Prcb 19:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

You would need to go to the family page, click the Rename link on the left, and enter Family:Thomas Rockwell and Unknown as the new title. Don't include a number after it (the system will assign this for you). --Jennifer (JBS66) 19:07, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

That's it, thanks!--Prcb 12:52, 3 November 2013 (UTC)


About East Asian language support. [15 November 2013]

Hi, I am just wondering how well does this site support on East Asian languages, i.e. Chinese (either traditional or simplified), Japanese or Korean etc. I have tried to import a GEDCOM file, exported from GRAMPS, containing Chinese character as well as other Chinese name styles (aka courtesy name). Then I found out the GEDCOM validation shows that most of the entries were excluded (Not sure why, but one warning caught my attention: 'There is only one character in surname').

A little short bio about myself: I am currently trying to trace my heritage of my family, which could go back to 17th century. I was happy using GRAMPS on building the huge heritage tree, then I realize that I need something like a wikipedia to call out others and toegether to finis this work. That is how I came across to this website. I love the concept and layout/visuals of the family tree. However, the first thing I stumbled is that it seemly support most of the English-like language (or fusional language perhaps). I have a CS background and have been programming for many years. If there is anything that I can help with this website, please let me know - I notice this is an open source project:).--Shannaracat 02:08, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome!! I'm pretty sure that the WeRelate interface can handle any UTF-8 strings as far as encoding, but I think that there may be other parts (such as the GEDCOM importer) that may have English-language-based assumptions (such as dates, name length, etc.). If you can figure out why your imports are failing, I would file a request at WeRelate:Suggestions to fix it.
Then, ideally, come help us at WeRelate:Website_features to fix it! User:Dallan is the original developer of much of the site, and has recently open-sourced the code. A number of us are working on getting it really up-and-running as an open source project (with "us" being used loosely, as I haven't done much yet). We'd love to have your help. -- Jdfoote1 19:50, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the swift reply. I browsed the source code on git a little bit, and found out that the majority of the code that involve with naming convention / format is currently English-language-based. Convention such as 'People from East Asian countries where the surname comes first' does not seem to be fully supported yet. I would love to offer my help on this (i18n) topic or other technical subjects as well:) Is there anyone that I could contact with in learning about the overview / future road map of this project? Thanks in advance.--Shannaracat 10:15, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Keeper of the roadmap for I18N? I guess that would be me. I'll write more on your talk page. --Pkeegstra 11:32, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
The near-term goal is to get WeRelate migrated to the latest version of MediaWiki. I need to review the modifications to the mediawiki-core code and re-make them on the latest version or see if new hooks have been added now. Once that's done I think we'll be ready for additional contributions; we'd love to have your help!--Dallan 04:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Dallan :) Let me know if there is anything I could help you with. Great site!--Shannaracat 03:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)


Collection of formatting guidelines or best practices [10 November 2013]

I'm wondering if there exists a page that outlines the best way to put together a page for a person. If WeRelate truly seeks to be a collaborative effort, it seems like we should aim for uniformity in the style of the pages that we create, no?

For example, I've been wondering:

  • Do I attach a census to an individual page or the family page for the family he was in at the time?
  • Should I attach images of a census?
    • If so, should they be the whole page, or just a crop around the family?
  • Should I transcribe the census in the source entry?
  • Where is the best place to link to so others can find the source? Archive.org? FamilySearch.org? Ancestry?
  • How long should a life sketch be, and what should the format be?

It seems like it would be great to have some basic guidelines on some of these questions. Maybe that already exists somewhere, but I haven't seen it? - Jdfoote1 17:31, 10 November 2013 (UTC)


GEDCOM upload to Record name field? [12 November 2013]

Is there a GEDCOM tag that will upload to the Record name field within a source citation?--DataAnalyst 02:16, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, there isn't a GEDCOM tag that will upload to the Record name field.--Dallan 04:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Removing GEDCOMs [14 November 2013]

Is there a way to delete a specific offending uploaded GEDCOM from my tree without deleting the entire tree and starting over?--Av 01:30, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Places not shown on map [14 November 2013]

Some Finnish places are not shown on the map - can you please help in this! http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Place:Tampere%2C_H%C3%A4me%2C_Finland http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Place:H%C3%A4meenlinna%2C_H%C3%A4me%2C_Finland http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Place:Dragsfj%C3%A4rd%2C_Turku-Pori%2C_Finland http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Place:Kemi%C3%B6%2C_Turku-Pori%2C_Finland They are not all small municipalities - Tampere is the 2nd biggest city of Finland. In some cases, it helped to add coordinates or change the place name into its current, not historical name. Werelate is very US Centric, there you often can tag places even within metropolitan regions. To make this great platform really work, also non-US locations should be made visible! I'm volunteering to correct these if only I get some info on how to do it.--Sjundea 21:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)


Submitted gedcom on Kelly family. [16 November 2013]

Can you remove the name of Anna Clara Kelly's great-granddaughter? She is a living person. Thanks, EKBDVA--EKBDVA 20:55, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a link to this page on WeRelate, or is this an item that is in your GEDCOM that is still in user review? --Jennifer (JBS66) 20:58, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Still in review--EKBDVA 22:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Since the file is still in review, no page has been created to delete. You would need to go into the file review (instructions are on your talk page under Next step: Review your GEDCOM). On the People tab, there are check boxes on the left side to exclude pages from import. However, I don't see anyone in the file still living, perhaps she wasn't included in your upload? If you would like to proceed with importing this GEDCOM, you would need to review the file then go to the Import tab and press Ready to Import. --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Warning: Elmira Kelly [18 November 2013]

More research reveals Elmira's maiden name was Bamberger. Can I edit this or must you do it from your end?

The date of Herbert's birth is correct. He was born out of wedlock and his mother later married Frank Bamberger who adopted Herbert.--EKBDVA 16:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Would you happen to have a link for the page you're referring?--Khaentlahn 17:09, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I am very new to your website and having trouble moving around within it. Elmira Kelly is the wife of Richard Kelly, look for David Kelly.--EKBDVA 18:17, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

If you look at the top of the page for the person you're referencing, there is the menu showing Home | Search | List | Add | My Relate | Admin. Directly under Home should be a Person: or Family: designation, such as Person:Richard Kelly (13) or Family:John Kelly and Letitia Horton (1). You can click on either of these examples to help explain further. From this, can you determine the Person or Family designation for your individuals so we might help more effectively?--Khaentlahn 18:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Similar to the question above, this file is still in GEDCOM review. You would need to make these edits on your home software and resubmit the file for review. --Jennifer (JBS66) 18:55, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Unaware this was a GEDCOM review question. My apologies.--Khaentlahn 19:17, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Maps all Global? [8 January 2014]

Did something change in the Google Maps call semantics? All the maps, no matter how tight the cluster of points, seem to be coming out global. --Pkeegstra 11:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

It appears that way. This would need to be fixed on Dallan's end. --Jennifer (JBS66) 19:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Would it be possible to return to the old "closer to the location" map on the place pages soon?

  • We use the maps to verify if the place we have selected is the correct one of a number with similar names.
  • We may be adding the coords to a place and want to check if we have mis-keyed and placed it incorrectly (like in the middle of an ocean).

The whole world map is not helpful. Expanding it brings up another world map on which we have to pinpoint the area we are working on. And the pinpointing takes a long time when you are working on a relatively small area in terms of world-space like one county in the United Kingdom.

Into the bargain the global map takes a long time to load. This is frustrating when a county page is being used as an index, and we are waiting for ctrl+f to come up to find the link we want. (The map has to load completely before ctrl+f works.)

If we can't have the old map image back, can we at least have an explanation why?--Goldenoldie 07:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


So glad to see the former, "closer to the location", Google map back on the Place Pages. I have already replaced unintentional "E"s with "W"s today and thus put several places in Yorkshire back on dry land again. All the best to everyone for 2014. --Goldenoldie 16:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)


Alas, is it my imagination or have we lost the capability to click on the full-page map to retrieve coordinates? I used to use that all the time in constructing place pages. --Pkeegstra 19:20, 8 January 2014 (UTC)


Connecting person pages to an Article page [25 November 2013]

A friend and I are working on a project in which we are recording records for orphans which attended a specific Civil war orphan school in Pennsylvania. I have built an article page and there is a box on the edit for adding persons I attempted to add a person page that my friend built. However the entry I made says the page doesn't exist and it will not let me kill the created empty page. i also cannot load the correct person page.

Is there a way to connect these two pages http://www.werelate.org/wiki/White_Hall_School%2C_A_Summary and the person page http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Clarence_Keiffer_%284%29 Thanks--Mm103 23:43, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi - sounds like a great project! The easiest way to connect people to a page is just to make a link to the people in the body of the page. I've taken the liberty of creating a "Students" section, and adding a link to Clarence Keiffer, so that you can see how the formatting works. this page may help you to figure out the syntax. It looks confusing at first, but it isn't bad at all once you get the hang of it. -- Jdfoote1 03:08, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

person married himself [4 December 2013]

On the person page for James Arthur Matthews, Jr (http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:James_Matthews_%2867%29), under Facts & Events, it shows James Matthews is married to himself. But on the Family Page, it shows him correctly married to Sara Belle Turner. Any way to correct this? What might be part of the problem is the fact that James & Sara were 1st cousins. James' mother and Sara's father were siblings. Maybe this is confusing the software?--Marytennessee 13:50, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

This happened because James' gender was set to Female. I changed it to male which corrected the Facts and Events listing. --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:55, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Sources for info in Place pages [7 December 2013]

I just updated Place:Delmas, Saskatchewan, Canada based upon information I found in the book People Places: Saskatchewan ad its People by Bill Barry. I wanted to provide the source for my paraphrase and used the Source function, but it appears as a full inclusion of the source page. I removed the source function and linked to the source page instead.

Is there a better method to include a source reference on place pages?--RGMoffat 17:49, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


Renaming Vienna [8 December 2013]

I have tried to rename Vienna "Wien", but I need an administrator to do it because it has subordinate places attached to it.--Werebear 14:29, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


Sandbox GEDCOM - Cannot Review [10 December 2013]

I submitted a GEDCOM to the sandbox and got the "Next Step: Review your GEDCOM" message, but the GedcomReviewMessage template is sitting there ( http://sandbox.werelate.org/wiki/User_talk:DataAnalyst ) and not resolved to a link. I think I figured out that the link should be sandbox.werelate.org/gedcom/index.php?gedcomid=3, but when I tried that, there was an error.

Sorry to be a pain needing support in the Sandbox, and this is not urgent, but I would appreciate this being fixed (soon if possible). I can easily upload the GEDCOM again if necessary. Thanks--DataAnalyst 00:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


fhlc template problem [10 December 2013]

{{source-fhlc|26375}} contains a list of 3 items for a place named Myton in Yorkshire.

There are two Mytons in Yorkshire. One is a suburb of Hull (source:GENUKI) and the other is a village named Myton-on-Swale. The three items in the fhlc list are entitled Cemeteries, Church Records and History. Cemeteries definitely refers to Myton-on-Swale, the Church Records are for Myton in Hull, and the History is more likely for Myton-on-Swale considering the people listed in Wikipedia who lived there, but either might be possible.

Suggestions, please. I would like to redirect Myton to Myton-on-Swale. --Goldenoldie 16:46, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


merging cemetery pages [14 December 2013]

There are two pages for Place:Mount Olivet Cemetery, Parkersburg, Wood, West Virginia, United States and Place:Mt. Olivet Cemetery, Parkersburg, Wood, West Virginia, United States

I'm not sure how to merge them. Could someone please do that? --janiejac 02:38, 15 December 2013 (UTC)


Done.--Khaentlahn 03:04, 15 December 2013 (UTC)


image on person page [29 December 2013]

Someone has uploaded and attached a photo to the Person:William Jackson (348) page. The photo falls at the bottom of the page but would look so much better at the top of the page with the text wrapping to the side and then on down the page. Can that be done? --janiejac 15:59, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I've moved the image to the main box - is this what you had in mind? AndrewRT 20:03, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly what I had in mind! Thank you Andrew! The picture was added by a new user who has also added a lot of detail to this family. --janiejac 20:11, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


Problem on Watercooler page [5 January 2014]

For the past 12 hours the Watercooler page is displaying at 1-1/2 the width of the screen in "View the Changes" mode. Is this a WR problem or something in my browser? I haven't noticed it on any other website. --Goldenoldie 10:09, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

It looks fine on my browser. But I've seen that happen when a long URL is written without protecting it in []. If you still see it, it would be helpful if you could go back thru the page history and tell us which revision first has the problem. --Pkeegstra 12:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Email notification for propagated changes [6 January 2014]

I often get email notifications where a page has been changed to propagate changes on other pages (e.g. changes to the person on a family page). These change notifications are rarely useful as I am normally watching the actual page that has changed. Is there any way to change the settings so that I can disable email notifications from such propagated changes? AndrewRT 14:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


Wrong redirect [10 January 2014]

Person:Margaret Unknown (1923) died at "Holcomb, near Dawlish", i.e. Holcombe, Teignbridge, Devon, England. However, if I enter that, an automatic redirect is made to Holcombe Rogus, which is also in Devon, but a different village. How can this be fixed?--schneid9 16:56, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

It's not a redirect, just a placepipe. But there is no place defined at 50.5647 N 3.47667 W. Once an appropriate place is defined, the person page can be editted to point to that place page. P.S. is this Hollacombe yet another distinct place? --Pkeegstra 19:19, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
OK, but in this case I would have preferred the software to create a red link rather than "high-handedly" link to the wrong place. Holcombe, Holcombe Rogus and Hollacombe are indeed three different places in Devon. In any case, being rather new here, I don't feel competent yet to create a new place page ... -- schneid9 21:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
The software has certain heuristics so that it can identify places even in the absence of a literal match. In this case those heuristics were confused because there was no page for the right place. If none of our England subject matter experts creates the page by this weekend, I'll go ahead and do that. Is "Holcomb Teignbridge" a good name? --Pkeegstra 11:28, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Well, Wikipedia uses that name (with a comma), Teignbridge being the local government district, but the semi-official website of the village itself just says Holcombe. As the other two villages are called Holcombe Rogus and Hollacombe respectively, I think that in principle Holcombe alone would be sufficient. In any case, thanks for your efforts. -- schneid9 13:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
OK, Holcombe as primary and Holcomb Teignbridge as alt name sounds like a plan then.....
PS. I saw multiple places in Devon with markers in the ocean. It would be great if one of our England subject matter experts could have a look at that. --Pkeegstra 16:09, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Only three I could see on Devon's north coast and none on the south. The worst is Lynton and it is marked on the map directly south of the marker, so it shouldn't be difficult for anyone to sort out. I'd tackle them, but I've been working on Yorkshire and I don't want to be tempted off it. --Goldenoldie 21:35, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I'll take that as encouragement that if I have a look, I can't make things too much worse..... --Pkeegstra 11:25, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I shouldn't think so. I use Wikipedia's longitude and latitude entries for places in England. They are always different than Getty, but when I check them they seem to be pretty accurate. If Wikipedia isn't forthcoming, I get out GoogleEarth and copy them down from there. Neither site will let you copy and paste, so paper and pen have to be to hand.

Scotland has a very good map website (National Library for Scotland) which I wish stretched below the border. "A Vision of Britain through Time" does not supply co-ordinates. --Goldenoldie 12:01, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


red person pages ?? [17 January 2014]

Perhaps there was a tree deleted that caused these red person pages that show up here: Person:Daniel McHenry (6) but I'm only guessing. I would like to merge Person Jane McHenry (5) with Person: Jane McHenry (9) but the system won't allow that. What to do? --janiejac 21:08, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

You created 'Person Jane McHenry (5)' as an article, not a person page. That's why you can't merge it. Note that it is missing the colon after 'Person'. Daniel Maxwell 21:12, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Relative Borre Johnson [21 January 2014]

Good Evening

I am trying to contact Sarah_Russell23 owner of a family tree that contains shared relatives. I am research my husband's great grandfather Borre Johnson and he is listed on one of Sarah's web pages. Am I able to email her? Thanks.

Brenda Johnson--Brejohns 01:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Brenda, I searched WeRelate, and I don't see a user by the name of Sarah_Russell23, nor do a see a page for a person named Borre Johnson. I did a Google search and saw a discussion about this in relation to a tree on http://www.ancestry.com. If Sarah_Russell23 is indeed at Ancestry.com, then you would need to contact her via that website. If I'm mistaken, and you did see that page here on WeRelate, you could go to her User Page and click More>Email this user. If the user has set their preferences to accept emails, you would be able to contact them this way. Otherwise, you could leave a message on her User Talk page. --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:06, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Gedcom import [21 January 2014]

I imported my first Gedcom to this site yesterday. Will you notify me by email when it is approved and ready for me to edit?--Mlmetz5612 20:39, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mlmetz5612, you received messages about the GEDCOM via your User Talk page. Depending on the preferences in your Settings, and if you've provided an email address, you may have also received an email. There is a link on your talk page and instructions for reviewing your GEDCOM. If you have additional questions, just let me know. --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:11, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Source not showing on person pg [24 January 2014]

Would someone have a look at Person:Joseph Jackson (98). There are a total of 5 sources there, two of them census records for 1850 and 1860. But look at the edit page and see that I've input census source for 1850, 1860, 1870 and 1880. The last two do not show up on the person page. I first thought it was because I did not use S1, S1 etc but that's not it; so what could be the reason all the sources do not appear on the person page? --janiejac 03:43, 24 January 2014 (UTC)


I see 7 sources. S1 and S2 appear to be duplicates.

Jillaine 09:28, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

That is so strange! I see only 5 sources. And yes, S1 and S2 are the same source. I'm using Mozilla firefox.

first GEDCOM review & manual entry review [1 February 2014]

May I ask for input on my first manual entry (Daniel Bury), and also for clarification if my GEDCOM has been reviewed.--Diane Hosler 22:02, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

What type of input are you desiring? Also, if you check your talk page, you should see a notification on the day you imported the file that it was accepted and entered into the WeRelate system. You may also check your Contributions page, which will indicate any pages you have either created or changed on this system. If you are needing further clarification, please let us know!--Khaentlahn 22:55, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Welcome to WeRelate, Diane! This looks like a well-researched, well-sourced page. I haven't seen any guidelines for what to include, or what a page "should" look like, but I made a few changes that I think most would agree about. First, I gave the alternate last names for Daniel the category of "alt name". I also changed some of the citations to "sources". This page should help to give you an idea of the differences between sources and citations. -- Jdfoote1 23:19, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you! I saw the approval for the GEDCOM that came very quickly...just thought I read that there was suppose to be a separate review by a person. Glad it passed. For the manual input, didn't realize there were drop-down options for the citations/sources and appreciate the cleanup. The sample page that I found on one of the clicks was very helpful. This is a quite a learning curve. Diane--Diane Hosler 23:42, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

GEDCOMs are approved by human review, which means that while your GEDCOM went through rather quickly, keep in mind that it may not always do so in the future and while there is a steep learning curve at the beginning, once you get the hang of it, it's fairly easy to continue and maintain pages on WeRelate. I hope you enjoy your time here!--Khaentlahn 00:43, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

images [7 February 2014]

image on Magdalena Bury and Sophia Bury at not showing. Coach me on what I did wrong, please.--Diane Hosler 23:29, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

For Sophia, the trouble is the double single quote in the title of the JPEG. The wiki system translates double single quotes to mean "begin italics here" and is therefore showing incorrectly. If you were to remove one of the single quotes in the file on your computer and upload that version, that should correct the problem. As for Magdalena, the file you've uploaded is a PDF file and, while you can upload PDF files to this wiki, they do not display as JPEG or other image type files. You will instead see the Adobe icon, but the file is still there. If you click on the PDF file icon on her page, then click it again on the image page, you can view it from your end there. It takes a little more effort than a basic image, but it is there to be viewed. I hope this helps!--Khaentlahn 04:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, again. I won't be using the PDF image if you want to delete it. Where did I see the guidelines for sharing our WeRelate with family members and others.--Diane Hosler 16:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


redirected page loses its 'talk' discussion? [9 February 2014]

Family:William Norris and Hannah Bell (1) is a page redirected from an earlier version. This new page says 'see the talk page' in blue but there is nothing on the talk page. So was there something on the previous page that is now lost? --janiejac 03:54, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Going through the history, it does not appear so. It appears as if the page was created to be created. I'm not completely sure why, but I cannot find any more content.--Khaentlahn 04:14, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
I found the predecessor talk page, and the only thing it ever had was a nomerge template. --Pkeegstra 11:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
I have noticed before that if something was on the Talk page but got removed so that it is completely blank, the "see talk page" in blue still shows up. I have found this mildly annoying but not sufficiently so as to request Dallan to change it, given all the other things on his plate.--DataAnalyst 23:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
I think it is best to list this on the suggestion page or Dallan may not ever know about it. He'll get to those suggestions in the order it is best for him. But at least there will be some record that it eventually needs fixed. --janiejac 04:36, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I added it.--DataAnalyst 20:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

speedy delete [9 February 2014]

where is the text box to insert a speedy delete template for duplicate person page--Diane Hosler 19:57, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

If you are looking for instructions on how to use the "speedy delete" template, they are here. However, if you have accidentally created a duplicate page and you are the only one watching it, I believe that you can delete it yourself by selecting "more" and then "Delete" from the list of actions on the left hand side of the screen. If you come across duplicates that others have created, it is better to merge them than delete them, because there may be links to them. The Help for merge is here - you can also ask for help and someone is sure to help you through a merge if you have not done it before.--DataAnalyst 22:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Adding places--content in brackets [11 February 2014]

Whenever I add a place and have to differentiate from another place of the same name, e.g., Catton (near Thirsk) and Catton (near Pocklington), the capitalized word in brackets comes up with a small letter, e.g., Catton (near pocklington). As a result, I have to go back and rename the new entry as well.

This may seem like a small difficulty, but there are an awful lot of duplicated placenames in England, especially Yorkshire. Can someone iron out this small bug, please. --Goldenoldie 08:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)


adding gedcom to tree [16 February 2014]

hello I downloaded a gedcom yesterday and not all of the names went through my ggmother was married 5 times and I thought I had included the husbands and children. Perhaps I mislinked her to another page instead of including her new information. can I remove tree and try again? or Is there an easy remedy to add spouses and children via gedcom rather than inputting everything separately? Perhaps add the spouses and make family page for them? by importing gedcom with all their names???Thanks for your help.--Mfunk 22:11, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi - I am not an expert on GEDCOM upload since I do not use that feature. However I do have a distant cousin with 8 recorded marriages to 7 different men so I think I can help you get this right 8-). First I would search for the Person pages for each of the spouses to see if they are in the database. Then I would inspect each Person page to see what marriages exist. Depending on what you find you can either use Add Family manually for the missing marriages, or you can use Add Person and then Add Family for the missing persons, or if they appear married to the wrong Person or you find a duplicate Person or Family you can remove the wrong marriages from the Person pages, delete erroneous Persons or Families, remove duplicate Persons or Families, etc. I think this will be a much better way to clean-up after your GEDCOM upload. As long as most of your GEDCOM uploaded correctly you can probably fix things more quickly using regular WeRelate functions than you can figure out how to get the "perfect" GEDCOM upload.
Also if you do not have the actual marriage dates for each of these multiple marriages, you should supply estimated dates (about yyyy, before yyyy, after yyyy, etc) so the marriages display in the correct order.
Hope this helps you! --Jhamstra 09:38, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Getting Started Tutorials [20 March 2014]

Why do the pages shown on the tutorials not match the people pages I am viewing? Are the tutorials showing a planned update?--genehuntr 03:03, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Tutorials in general need to be updated to the current system. A preliminary update has been done to the first two lessons of the Person pages tutorial. Would you be so kind as to go through those two lessons and determine if they are now more helpful? Any assistance in this regard would be appreciated.--Khaentlahn 18:12, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate Source pages [27 February 2014]

Source:Biographical Review : This Volume Contains Biographical Sketches of the Leading Citizens of Livingston and Wyoming Counties, New York (correct title)

Source:Biographical Review : This Volume Contains Biographical Sketches of Livingston and Wyoming Counties, New York (abridged title)

--Jhamstra 17:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

You might know this already, but you can merge these yourself. First see if there is any helpful info on the page you don't want to keep that is not on the other page (such as repositories, year range, etc.) and copy it to the page you want to keep. Then edit the page you don't want to keep and replace all notes with #REDIRECT [[Source:<page to keep>]]. The preview shows the redirect statement, but when you save, it should redirect to the source you want to keep. Just in case you want to handle this yourself.--DataAnalyst 02:42, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - it worked! i knew there was a way to fix this but I have not had to do manual page patches previously.--Jhamstra 03:48, 28 February 2014 (UTC)


GEDCOM [12 March 2014]

Is there a limatation to the size of GEDCOMS? Will you accept a GEDCOM with over 11,000 entries??? It will be from eight Family Origins or Roots Magic. The reason I wish to upload so much data is to give "others" a chance to use my data. Please answer me at lledoogf@yahoo.com Thanks, Fred--FREDITO 15:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I think the limit is currently 5000 individuals. You can split your database into smaller files for loading. I helped another person split her 20,000-person into smaller pieces - it took a weekend to do because of the high degree of interconnections within her database.
Based on my previous experience, I would also recommend that you use the error-checking and duplicate search features in RootsMagic and correct errors prior to attempting to load it into WeRelate. When I helped load the 20,000-person database, the majority of time was spent cleansing the data prior to loading it (because we chose to be a bit picky about it).--DataAnalyst 00:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Images from Wikimedia Commons [18 March 2014]

I would like to use a map found in Wikimedia Commons on a WR place page. The Download Screen offers a Page URL and a File URL. Which one do I use? Can I load the image straight to WR or must I first download it to my own computer? What is the maximum recommended width (in pixels) for an image on a WR page? The attribution is given and the image is in the public domain.

Is this information in the Help pages? I can see instructions for Ancestry, FamilySearch and Fold3, but not for Wikimedia Commons.--Goldenoldie 16:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I believe that anything that appears on Wikipedia Commons will be OK to use as far as rights - they are more restrictive than WR (I believe). There is a way to directly use things from Wikimedia Commons called Instant Commons, but I just tried it, and it looks like it isn't enabled, so you will need to download the image, and upload it again here. -- Jdfoote1 14:21, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. --Goldenoldie 16:27, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


How to get gedcom file from the Mormon LDS church [21 March 2014]

Several years ago, I transmitted a gedcom file to the LDS church. Can you tell me how to retrieve the file? LDS personnel have been unable to help. Thanks. ..--JoDawg 01:18, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Do you mean from the FamilySearch website?--Khaentlahn 20:56, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

This file was sent to the Mormon church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day-Saints in Salt Lake City.--JoDawg 18:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

If your GEDCOM was submitted to them to be included in either of the Ancestral File or the Pedigree Resource File, your information should be available on FamilySearch's Genealogies page. That being said, according to their FAQ:
Can you download submitted data to a GEDCOM?
You cannot download submitted tree data in GEDCOM format. To save FamilySearch lineage linked data on your device please use a record manager that syncs with the FamilySearch Family Tree – these can be found on the products page.
After a little digging, the Partner Products page was found. RootsMagic is listed as being the "Eastist to Sync", but there are other options on the page as well. Their FAQ also indicates that while you cannot search the Ancestral File or Pedigree Resource File by submitter, they are planning to add that feature in the future.
If your GEDCOM was not submitted to be included in either of these databases, then that is knowledge beyond my understanding. Perhaps someone else can help if this is the case.--Khaentlahn 19:17, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your info, Khaethahn. I will check that out.--JoDawg 01:59, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


Redirecting a Place. Effect on Sources? [1 April 2014]

I redirected Place:Standish, Lancashire, England to Place:Standish-with-Langtree, Lancashire, England, which was the urban district including both places for the greater part of the 20th century. If I make a Category entitled Standish-with-Langtree, will all the Sources originally under the Category entitled Standish transfer automatically to the new Category? I notice that after the redirection the Category:Standish, Lancashire, England is not found. --Goldenoldie 09:13, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

It looks like you need to edit each source page to get it to transfer to the new category. For example: here is the old category for Standish. It has one source left in it. This source used to be in it, but when I edited the source page (didn't change anything, just hit edit and save), the category was updated to the new category.--Dallan 16:10, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

That's what I started doing. I was just wondering if there were something more automatic. --Goldenoldie 19:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


Something went wrong [5 April 2014]

Something went wrong? http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arcadium --Lidewij 18:13, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I'd guess that it's supposed to be Cyrillic, and was uploaded in a character set other than the one WR was expecting (which I believe is UTF-8). --pkeegstra 20:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
I agree - I've improved our character-set recognition since then. Should we delete these pages?--Dallan 15:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Let me try one thing first, to see if I can recover the intended characters. --pkeegstra 15:34, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Marriage sources [11 April 2014]

Did something recently change? Today I noticed on Person pages, the marriages show the source numbers. This is misleading because the sources attached to a marriage date aren't on the Person page, and clicking the superscipt 1 takes you to source 1 on the Person page. For example, Person:Thomas West (38). Can't imagine this is browser related but I am using Firefox. --Jrich 17:31, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I have a feeling it's related to the new "Find records" links on Person pages that Dallan mentioned in the "Links to FindARecord.com" post on the Watercooler. It's working this way for me too, and you're right, it is misleading. Would you mind leaving a message on the Watercooler post about this so Dallan will see it? --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:40, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
It is, sorry about that. I'll correct it tomorrow.--Dallan 04:25, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

How to cancel a duplicate personal account [14 April 2014]

I've got two accounts here...one is the correct one "artistswife" and the other is "artistswife2". How can I cancel the "2" version?--Artistswife 04:43, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

The software doesn't have a way to cancel accounts or merge them unfortunately. If you like I can keep the 2 version from sending you change notifications.--Dallan 04:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Dallan, thank you. Please do stop the emails for artistswife2. artistswife

Done.--Dallan 16:51, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you.--Artistswife 21:23, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


cwgccem Template doesn't seem to work [21 April 2014]

While adding categories to a number of cemeteris for France, I noticed one was using the above template. I have been unable to get it to work on so I cam using an embedded link, but would like to understand if this template should be used.

When I click on the template for find a grave at the bottom of an edit page, I am directed to a page containing comments on how to use the template. This is not the case on the Commonwealth war Graves Commision template page.

Camments anyone?--RGMoffat 05:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


Rename ... a french département [25 April 2014]

Please ! Place:Basses-Alpes, France Basses-Alpes exist no more --> Alpes-de-Haute-Provence (April 1970) : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpes-de-Haute-Provence - Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 08:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

What was the situation at 1900? --Lidewij 09:20, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
There is nothing wrong with the name. Groetjes, --Lidewij 09:46, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Place:Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, France redirect was made --Lidewij 09:58, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you ! I always forget this "WeRelate 1900 rule" for the places which is strange and complicated for wikipedians and genealogists from France. Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 13:27, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Something runs wrong [6 May 2014]

Some places (were and) are automatically modified by Gedcom import or after, when a contributor is fixing a field. I have already discussed this issue with Jennifer and given examples (... Canteleu/Rouen + a village in Aisne). Other "automatic stupidities" are still active ... for example, when Y (meaning "yes) is in place field (death, marriage, occupation, etc) --> I saw meany times "Place:Y, Somme, France (I have not yet fully corrected) and Y ... 2 or 3 times this morning --> the last one here - Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 08:29, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

And ... this (2007-2009) - Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 08:49, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
An other example (I found sometimes this "error ?" for several months ---> La Rochelle --> Charente-Maritime / Haute-Saône) : [3], but this page Person:John Witt (2) seems "strange" (merging, etc). Could someone fix it ? Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 06:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
What it does now and what it did a long time ago are two different things. Automated place matching and cleanup of some of the junk in GEDCOMs is, I believe, better now. The real problem being, of course, that people use their home system however they want and the GEDCOM must figure out how to deal with all sorts of unique ways of arranging data. If the problem occurred during a recent GEDCOM upload, so that it is currently happening that way, a suggestion could be submitted. You may have noticed, the list of suggestions is pretty long.
There are about 100 pages listed when I do a What Links Here on Place:Y, Somme, France. It is usually pretty easy to tell which need to be fixed. There are many case, not so humorous, that some of us have cleaned up. People intended to input Kingston, Mass., but don't qualify it properly, and there are many Kingstons around the world that get matched to, for example (Jamaica, Canada, down under, etc.). Cleaning up pages like John Witt should really be done by someone familiar with his case: a GEDCOM did actually list La Rochelle as an alternate birthplace [4]. Did they know something or is it garbage? Somebody that is knowledgable and cares is in a much better position to decide. --Jrich 14:24, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Not only that. In the original he was married in his birth year. --Goldenoldie 15:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


Word Wrap turned off in Personal History section [10 May 2014]

Can someone tell me why word wrap is not working on the Person:Robert Riddell (2) page? Thx Rick--RGMoffat 14:53, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

In the S8 source text field, there was a } at the end of the URL instead of a ]. I made the change, and the page aligns properly now. --Jennifer (JBS66) 21:14, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Merging pages [16 May 2014]

Hi there

I wonder if someone could point me in a direction. I was trying to import (this is my first ever Gedcom import) parents for a person (Jan Wouthuis) who I already have a page for. So I imported a Gedcom for his birth, expecting that a duplicate would be found for him that I could link to, and that pages would be created for his parents.

The only thing that happened was I got warnings because there were no genders for the parents. I added the genders. Nothing about the duplicate.

Now I'm not sure if my gedcom is still waiting for review or if I got an email because there is something wrong with it?--MWalker 08:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)


OK, I think I have found the problem. I did a GEDcom export from Allegroningers, and for some reason they have put the birthdates of his parents as being in 1970. Unlikely considering he got married in 1842.

I'm guessing that I'm going to have to put a bit more effort into making GEDcom work for me...

Now how do I delete that GEDcom? Is that not possible while it is awaiting (a now unnecessary) review?--MWalker 09:04, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

You can remove it by clicking on the review link, then clicking on the "Remove this GEDCOM" button.--Dallan 04:23, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Bispham, Lancashire, England [12 May 2014]

There were two places named Bispham in Lancashire. One (officially named Bispham-with-Norbreck) was absorbed into Blackpool during the 19th century; the other still exists in West Lancashire District. I have just added (West Lancashire) to it to differentiate the two.

It would appear from looking at "What links here" that the Sources for the two places have been intermixed. I haven't had time as yet to investigate this more fully. But out of curiosity I looked at the Family:Willard Weekes and Elizabeth Avenell (1). I think we should get rid of this one, but how do we go about it?

--Goldenoldie 16:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Just FYI the husband looks like a real person and probably worth saving, the wife and family don't belong to him. Whether they are real or not is another question. --Jrich 18:07, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
If I "remove" either the wife or husband from the marriage, will both of them remain on our database?

--Goldenoldie 19:42, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Re your specific question: you can "remove" (i.e., unlink) the husband, and the family page will remain, and the husband's person page will remain with no marriage showing. They will just not be linked together. The family page probably needs to remain to collect the children, or else you need to delete all of them too. Even with the husband unlinked, whether the husband's name remaining embedded in the Family page title goes with the wife or not is of course unknown? One approach would be to rename the Family page to Unknown and the wife. --Jrich 19:58, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks --Goldenoldie 20:19, 12 May 2014 (UTC)


GEDCOM format error [16 June 2014]

When an exported GEDCOM is imported in Gramps, Gramps shows an error message saying:

"GEDCOM form not supported Line 10: 2 FORM LINEAGE_LINKED"

The error is shown, because the proper FORM is LINEAGE-LINKED, as shown in [5].

Can this be corrected? The Gramps bug report is registered here[6].

Thanks. --Enno 10:27, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


Hi, Unfortunately, the programmer is on vacation. We should have an answer for you in 2-3 weeks. Thanks, --sq 15:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

fixed--Dallan 20:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Copyright questions (2) [27 May 2014]

I have an 'autobiography' of a person in my family tree. She self-published, has a 2006 copyright, and she died 2007. I have written the elderly person who helped her write it, who so far has not responded. Can I include pictures from the book under the historical picture classification?

Also, I have a 1990 Canadian paper feature story about a person. Can I include a copy of it on his page?--Diane Hosler 03:10, 22 May 2014 (UTC)


Hi,

WeRelate is not allowed to give you legal advice. This is the way it works: People upload images they believe are legal. If someone complains of copyright infringement, we are required by the federal government to delete the image. No arguments.

Whether you can copy someone else's copy of public domain images is hotly debated especially by companies like Ancestry. They copy censuses and other public domain documents and then sell them to us. As you can imagine, they claim their particular copy is proprietary. However, many believe that any copy of a public domain image is also public domain. There are various court opinions.

That said, the purpose of copyright law is to keep one person from profiting from the work of another. You are allowed "fair use" of copyrighted material as long as it doesn't impact the author's ability to market his/her creation. Generally, this means you can use any image as long as you reduce the resolution. When we reduce the size of a scanned image, the resolution is automatically reduced. What that means is that copy cannot be blown up to its original size and still look good enough to compete with the original. See Help:Image_licensing#If_the_image_is_still_under_copyright_and_you_are_unable_to_ask_the_copyright_owner_for_a_license

Hope this helps, --sq 16:00, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


Very interesting and helpful. Am putting a copy in my WeRelate 'manual'. Thank you.--Diane Hosler 03:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


Search for source not working with accented characters [16 June 2014]

When I search sources for a Norwegian parish with an accented character in the name (e.g., Tønsberg), I don't get any results. If I search without using the accent (i.e., Tonsberg), it still doesn't find the relevant sources (e.g., Source:Tønsberg, Vestfold, Norway. Kirkebøker, 1688-1962). Searching on accented characters for place names seems to work, but the exactly matching place name is not in bold as it would be with unaccented characters. Both these problems need to be fixed, but I think the former one (searching sources) is more important. Is this a small bug that can be fixed quickly, or do I need to add it to the Suggestions list?--DataAnalyst 16:29, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I just realized that if I search with "oe" for "ø" (i.e. Toensberg), I get the correct result (although the matching word is still not in bold). But I think the search should work when I use the accented character in the search string. Thanks.--DataAnalyst 16:33, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
I've added this to the bug list.--Dallan 20:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Help menu broken [25 June 2014]

It was pointed out to me by janiejac that help menu is broken. It appears it is linking to general articles (i.e., no namespace specified) instead of pages in the WeRelate Talk namespace. --Jrich 15:43, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


Invoking "Source Citations" section on Place pages [30 June 2014]

How do we do this? Adding a {{reflist tag at the bottom of the text editing block does not do anything... thnx --Artefacts 23:11, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

  • <ref>...</ref>
  • <references/>

--Lidewij 23:23, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

  • cheers!--Artefacts 00:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

need help placing image; also cemetery page question [4 July 2014]

I have uploaded an image and it is showing on Person:Samuel Jackson (49) but it is not placed where I want it. Would someone either move it or tell me how to move it so that it shows in the subsection 'Burial' instead of at the bottom of the page.

Also wondering about the cemetery pages I am creating. Should cemeteries show up on the county page or on the page for the locality within the county? I used the Franklin City Cemetery and it shows up in that category, but it doesn't show on the Morgan County page. Perhaps it would be better if I left off Franklin from the location so that one could easily find all the cemeteries in the county instead of the cemeteries being scattered on various place pages of the county. (And woops! now this category is showing at the bottom of THIS support page! Boy it is too easy to mess up! Somebody pls fix it.) --janiejac 04:27, 4 July 2014 (UTC) Well, that didn't work. You have to 'edit' the paragraph to read what I'm trying to say. As I said, too easy to mess up! --janiejac 04:30, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

I fixed the image placement on Samuel Jackson's page, and put a colon in front of the category here. I believe the policy for cemeteries is to place them under the city if they are inside a city, or to place them under the county otherwise. Since the cemetery you created is under the city, it won't show up on the county page.--Dallan 05:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
The suggestion for Illinois is to put cemeteries as applicable in the city or the township; if the township is not known, please create the cemetery page under the county as opposed to not creating it at all. At some point a local expert will rename it appropriately. In addition, some but not all WR contributors who work in the US midwest make it a point to create also-located-in links for cemeteries to the county. --pkeegstra 13:53, 4 July 2014 (UTC) (I just added the usual "bells and whistles" for Franklin City Cemetery. Note that the conventional category is Cemeteries of Morgan, Illinois, United States, which now has 4 entries. --pkeegstra 14:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC))

Further question on placing an image [22 July 2014]

Following on from User:janiejac's question above, can an image be placed in the heading box at the top of a Person: page? To the right, opposite the name, like the maps are on Place: pages?

--Goldenoldie 13:24, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Images can be placed in the heading box, on the left to replace the standard silhouette. Place the image title in the Image section of the person's page and check the Primary box to the left of the image title. This also works for Family pages with the image being placed between the spouses' data in the header. --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:54, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Too bad Person:John Neilson (19) wasn't looking the other way! --Goldenoldie 14:00, 22 July 2014 (UTC)


Source page not letting me add website URL [28 July 2014]

Hi,

Trying to add my first source - Auckland Libraries Photographers Database [It won't let me add the link here either!]

I can't seem to save the hyperlink anywhere in the record without it objecting to the hyperlink. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? It's just not letting me save the hyperlink anywhere... I keep getting the message "Links to other websites are not allowed". How am I supposed to add the source link in without it objecting to it??? This is driving me crazy.--EdenGardener 02:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure where you went wrong. The URL that was on the page at Source:Auckland_Libraries_Photographers_Database didn't have the http:// header in front of it, but the URL also didn't resolve. I did a quick Google search for Auckland Libraries photographers database, and found this site, and added it to the page. As you can see if you look at the source of my post, to add links to another page on the wiki, you use two brackets on either side, e.g. [[ExamplePage]], and to add a link to a URL on another site, you just use one bracket, e.g,, [http://www.example.com example website]. Thiw Wikipedia page explains this, as well as lots of other things about MediaWiki formating. It's all confusing at first, but once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy to work with. - Jdfoote1 02:39, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Cemetery category [31 July 2014]

I just created the cemetery page: Place:Grindstaff Cemetery, Carter, Tennessee, United States. Maybe I'm blind but I don't see why the category page is red. What am I missing?--janiejac 20:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

The cemetery county category page needed to be created. Conventionally that is done by adding a reference to the state cemetery category page, so I went ahead and did that. --pkeegstra 23:37, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

The Redirect Procedure [5 August 2014]

In the past couple of weeks I have found the following page when I want to rename a place page and the place is already there.

http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Movepage&action=submit

I am working with places in the UK where there have been two nationwide municipal reorganizations since 1974. These reorganizations have resulted in changes to parishes, districts, or counties. Every once in a while I come across a place that has been entered with both its county pre-1974 and the district that replaced the county since that year. If there is a description for the pre-1974 place entry, I do not want to replace it with the post-1974 entry (which is probably blank) and rewrite the existing description; I want to delete the post-1974 entry. But the new page asks a question that could be answered 'yes' or 'no', but appears to only accept the answer 'yes'. The answer 'no' equates to 'delete', but can we do that without going to "Speedy Delete"?--Goldenoldie 11:05, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I think it's asking whether you want to delete the existing page and replace it with the page that you're renaming. Go ahead and check "yes". I think it's ok to replace the page without going through speedy delete.--sq 03:39, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

How to define and document a report as a source. [24 August 2014]

I am working on the project of the Pennsylvania Soldiers' Orphans Schools. The person who began this project is no longer able to do it due to poor health. She gave me some documents she had obtained from the Pennsylvania State Library in Harrisburg. The document in question is titled: "PA Orphans 1881 Report. Source: Annual Report of the Superintendent of Soldiers' Orphans of Pennsylvania for the year 1881".

My first idea is to use the My Source, but I would welcome suggestions or instructions. I await your reply.--EKBDVA 18:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


Hello. Since this record has information for many unrelated people, it could be added as a regular Source. MySources are usually used for records that refer to only one person or family, such as a family bible or a scanned birth certificate.

Are you transcribing the record? If so, you can put the transcription in the Transcription namespace, (when adding the page, title it Transcription:Name of your project) or make it an Article, see Help:Articles. --sq 01:13, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


matching families during GEDCOM review [28 August 2014]

It looks to me like there should be a way to 'exclude' upload of families that match but have conflicting dates or localities. I am seeing this in during a current review of my GEDCOM. I know the family is a match but I don't want to match to it or update it because of the conflict in data. I'd rather wait and check the other sources before deciding what to do. So there is no way to exclude my family until later. If I don't update it, will there then be a duplicate family that somebody will try to deal with before I get around to it? --janiejac 03:04, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


editing cemetery place pg - bug? [31 August 2014]

I've been trying to edit Hunt Cemetery, Calhoun, West Virginia, United States but it keeps giving me this msg:

You must correct the errors before saving

The place type must now be chosen from a drop-down list. The list will appear as you enter the type.

I've tried typing in 'Cemetery' and or leaving it blank, even tried to get ANYTHING to populate the window but appears to have no drop down list. So I haven't been able to edit and save the page. --janiejac 16:39, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm getting that same error Janie. Things are buggy with WR in general in the last hour. Pages are loading very slowly and I'm getting alt text tags like <edithelptext>. --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:47, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Same here. Being in a different time zone (GDT) I have been troubled since I first signed on at 7am this morning.

I can't do any editing of place pages and the "rename" facility has completely disappeared.

--Goldenoldie 18:16, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Jennifer that the biggest impact I see is an all-around sluggishness. I can replicate the bug in the place editor, too. --pkeegstra 18:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
I haven't tried editing Place pages, but all my editing is working, just very slowly. I assumed we were running a wikipedia refresh... --Jrich 19:17, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
It looks like the server needed to be rebooted. Sorry for the inconvenience.--Dallan 05:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

incomplete edit page [31 aug 2014]

When I tried to edit Place:Sliedrecht, I saw this on top: <edithelptext> and didn't see my trees at the bottom. Then I couldn't store any changes, probably because of this (irrelevant) error text:

 The place type must now be chosen from a drop-down list. The list will appear as you enter the type.

(I didn't change the type, and no drop-down list seemed to work)

Also, my dashboard shows just the template; not data for me. --DiBa 20:06, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

It looks like the server needed to be rebooted. Sorry for the inconvenience.--Dallan 05:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

All the numbers on my Dashboard have disappeared

Is this just mine ? or has anyone else experienced this ? --SkippyG 23:13, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

It looks like the server needed to be rebooted. Sorry for the inconvenience.--Dallan 05:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

wife not showing on husband's page [2 September 2014]

Family:Ashley Haines and Lucy Ferrell (1) looks good; Person:Lucy Ferrell (1) shows her husband to be Person:Ashley Haines (1) but his page does not show a link to his wife. Can't figure this one out. What am I missing? --janiejac 21:57, 2 September 2014 (UTC)


It's showing on my screen (I'm using Crome) but over to the far right hand side. I think the problem is with the line breaking on the main body text. AndrewRT 22:03, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I think it's fixed now - could you check? AndrewRT 22:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it's fixed now. Thanks, I didn't know how to fix that! --janiejac 03:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

The Pedigree Map function does not appear to work [7 September 2014]

When I select Pedigree Map, the screen says "working" for a brief period, then stops, but no Pedigree Map appears. Why? Am I doing something wrong?--Innesaj 14:28, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


Having persevered, it appears that the Pedigree Map works under Google Chrome for Windows 8 but not under Internet Explorer 11. This may be because Chrome has, and automatically maintains, Adobe Flash Player which WeRelate requires. It would be helpful if someone could confirm and explain this.--Innesaj 15:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


Upload a file to a MySource (birth or death certificate) [7 September 2014]

I can't seem to figure out how to upload a file attachment to a MySource. Specifically, a birth or death certificate pdf. I currently have a few of these uploaded as images, but after learning about MySource pages it seemed to make more sense that these sources should properly exist as a "MySource" but it does not look like uploading a file is allowed. I can include the URL to the state website where I obtained the death certificates, but I would prefer to upload the file directly in case the URL changes or the availability of these records on the source website goes away completely.--Ktaustin2 13:20, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

If you have already created an image page for the document, you can call that image on the MySource page by placing [[Image:xxx.JPG]] in the text box. Hope that helps. --Cos1776 18:49, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Note also that if you just want a link to the image, you can preceed it with a colon: [[:Image:xxx.JPG]] --pkeegstra 21:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I forgot about using internal references like that. That makes sense to me.--ktaustin2 19:21, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


Adding link footnote to personal history section of a person page [8 September 2014]

Is there a way to add hyperlinked footnotes within the narrative personal history of a person page? For example, I have one page that has multiple conflicting sources and I wrote a narrative personal history in which just about every sentence includes a source reference to make it clear where each point of information is coming from. I just added [S1], [S2], etc in the text but this is not showing up as a link to the source citation at the bottom of that person page.--Ktaustin2 13:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


The Help FAQ has a references and footnotes section that should help you on this. It's a bit different than using MySource and Source in the timeline area. Remember the {{cite|S1}} part of the instructions.

--Goldenoldie 14:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


The (<)ref name="S1"/(>) format is exactly what I was trying to do, thanks.--ktaustin2 10:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


Search Options [15 September 2014]

When I search among my Watched persons for Edward L. Jackson I get only one result; that of Audie Lee Jackson. I was expecting to get Edward Lafayette Jackson among the options. Now I'm wondering why isn't Edward Lafayette Jackson offered as a result when searching for Edward L. Jackson??

Even when I change to searching among "Watched and unwatched" Edward Lafayette Jackson does not come up when searching for Edward L. Jackson. If search can find "Audie Lee Jackson" why can't it find "Edward Lafayette Jackson" when I ask for Edward L. Jackson?

Hmm.. Here is another Edward L. Jackson, Jr. who doesn't appear when searching for Edward L. Jackson!
And another Edward L. Jackson who doesn't appear in the results list! It seems to me that when one searches for Edward L. Jackson that ALL the Edward L. Jacksons should show first and then all the Edwards who have a middle name starting with the letter 'L' should be listed next. This isn't happening and I wonder why!! --janiejac 16:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Where are you searching? Is it under list (i.e., Special:ListPages?) or the main search page or somewhere else? When I used the main search page, both Edward L. Jackson's showed up. -- Jdfoote1 17:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Janie - I also ran a couple of scenarios to see if I could duplicate the issue. First, I added myself to the watch list for your Edward Lafayette Jackson page and then I searched in my watched pages, like you did. What I found was that the Match options and/or the use of the middle initial in the search determined whether or not the desired page appeared. So:

  • "Edward L Jackson" and "Exact Match Only" = NO
  • "Edward L Jackson" and "Exact & close match" = NO
  • "Edward L Jackson" and "Exact, close, & partial" = YES
  • "Edward Jackson" and "Exact Match Only" = YES
  • "Edward Jackson" and "Exact & close match" = YES
  • "Edward Jackson" and "Exact, close, & partial" = YES

So as you can see, it is better to cast your net wide first and then work in. HTH. --Cos1776 17:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I was using the search link on the top menu list: Home - Search - List - Add - My Relate - Admin
I searched both Watch and unwatched with no dates or locations so I thought using just the name with middle initial was a very broad search! The default is 'exact and close match' which I didn't even notice. So wouldn't close match have been able to find it? Apparently NOT! From the example above only Exact, close & partial will find Edward Lafayette when searching for Edward L. Jackson. It's my opinion that is cutting it too close - especially for the casual viewer coming by. Let's not make it any harder for viewers than necessary! I don't like searching without the middle initial because then there are SO MANY to search through! Can I get enough agreement on this to ask Dallan to change this? Thanks to both of you for responding to this. I'll pay more attention to Exact, close & partial from now on. --janiejac 23:27, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
My two cents. Computers are dumb. While you recognize that "L" or "L." means middle initial, typically a computer will think it means that is the literal middle name. Like the rebellious kid in my high school class that put his middle names as X: not Xavier, not a middle initial, his entire middle name was simply X. Edward Lafayette Jackson works great, and Edward Jackson works better than Edward L. Jackson because the "L." makes it try to find someone with the literal middle name "L." which it can't. To change the behavior requires adding programming to create non-intuitive (for a computer) behavior (i.e, so that it thinks more like a human), and all extra programming like this makes WeRelate harder to upgrade to the next version of wiki software. Every search engine on the Internet has its own quirks, but once you learn them you can take advantage of them. books.google.com looks only for whole words spelled exactly the same, Find A Grave will match your target string or something longer (at least sometimes), matching a name in a name field uses alternate names while names in the keywords field is a literal match, etc. --Jrich 03:06, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

How can I show living people in family tree? [24 September 2014]

Request for help: I know pages cannot be created for living people. Then how do I include living people in my family tree? Or living people cannot be family tree? My wish family free need to include all people dead as well as lining people. Thanks in advance. Mahajanga@gmail.com--Girish 10:45, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


I use my own family tree software on my own computer to create trees and other reports that involve living people. Jillaine 12:29, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


I toyed around with software on my local computer for living relatives, but I found it easier to just keep a spreadsheet. Each family is grouped together, with columns for generation number, parents/spouse, and any contact info available. Of course I am an Engineer so I am pretty comfortable working with spreadsheets. This also makes it easy to share your database with your living relatives without requiring special software.--ktaustin2 10:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


What is the opinion of others re making a note under the Personal History heading of any person with living descendants such as "This person has living descendants." or, in the case of a couple, "This couple has living descendants"?

Our aim in withholding information about living people is to respect other people's privacy inside and outside the genealogical community.

--Goldenoldie 18:14, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


I have made statements before like "they had x children" which is vague enough. I wouldn't mention a living person on a dead relatives page, but I have referenced online obituaries which usually have names of survivors and that is public record.--ktaustin2 02:49, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


Importing a complete genealogy research site from another website [8 October 2014]

I already have a fully functional research website that used to be free. Now a monthly fee is being charged. What is the procedure to import that website from Wikispaces.com to werelate.org? Contact: italheritagesearch@yahoo.com--Heritagesearch 19:31, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

The import procedure for WeRelate is to upload a GEDCOM file. There is information on how to do this on the FAQ page. Since the intent of WeRelate is to have a single page per person, the upload process will attempt to match your records to records already in WeRelate so that you can merge any records that match instead of creating new pages. This makes the upload process an interactive process. (Note that matching is done at the couple level.) The current limit is 5000 individuals per GEDCOM file.
When you upload your GEDCOM, WeRelate will also attempt to match place names to existing place pages, and will give you the option of matching your sources to existing source pages. These features enhance the consistency of the end result, but are not essential - they are not intended to be barriers to getting your pages uploaded. I have found the place matching to be of high quality for US places and of mixed quality for other places, but always worth a review to ensure the matching is accurate.
Note that there is also a review process for GEDCOM's to mitigate the types of issues that happened some years ago when some files with few dates and sources were uploaded.
If you have pages that are not person or family specific (e.g., a discussion of an event), you can create them in WeRelate, but I am not aware of any way of directly importing those.
If you could give me a sense of the characteristics of your tree (number of people, how tightly interconnected the lines are, whether you have standardized place names, whether you have used a tool that helps identify issues such as potential duplicates or impossible date combinations), I might be able to give you a sense of how much work this would be. I helped another user to upload her file of approx. 20,000 individuals (see my talk page - topic Example of Collaboration ....).
Hope this helps and that you choose to contribute to WeRelate.--DataAnalyst 00:07, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Related pages [20 October 2014]

Can someone help me understand how the "related pages" work? Is there a reason why I would not want to add the pages that come up to my tree? Assuming that they only show up on this page if someone has added decendents or ancestors to people in my tree?

Thanks!--Jonmcrawford 01:58, 20 October 2014 (UTC)